i have to break this Silence to expose The priests of this SYSSReligion who have edited the teachings of its founder

[Guest guest]

i have to break this Silence to expose " The priests of this SYSSReligion who

have edited the teachings of its founder "

 

>

> The priests of this religion recited the teachings of its founder

> in a language common people could not understand. This was useful

> in preventing Europe's beleagured peasants from learning enough

> about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders, both

> political and spiritual, were disregarding Christ's actual

> teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> present day, as politicians posing as Christians self-righteously

> press on the American public an agenda which is in almost every

> detail the opposite of Jesus'.

>

> The worst tragedy of Europe's Dark Age of Christianity was not only

> that thinking was no longer allowed (questioning the church was a

> capital offense), but that direct personal exploration of mystical

> states was strictly forbidden.

>

> The Living Goddess:

> Reclaiming the Tradition of the Mother of the Universe

>

> By Consul B. John Zavrel

>

 

theworldcouncil@ sahajayoga. org; lant_pc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com;

amorrissey (AT) telus (DOT) net

Fwd: Letter from H.H. Shri Mataji to Canadian Council

Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:32:43 -0400

dunphitect (AT) aol (DOT) com

 

Dear Brothers and Sisters:

 

I am very pleased to inform you all that according to the attached

letter from Cabella, Our Holy Mother has nominated the attached

reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect. May

this mark a new chapter in the growth and expansion of Sahaja Yoga in

Canada and place the difficulties they have faced in the past firmly

in the pages of history. Sandeep and I stand ready to assist the new

CNC in getting up and running and establishing a positive and

collaborative relationship with the members of the wider collective.

 

We extend our deepest thanks and gratitude to Shri Mataji for placing

Her divine attention on Canada and guiding us all through this

delicate process. It is only through Her blessings that Canada can

now realize its full potential in achieving Her vision for that part

of North America.

 

On behalf of the World Council, I would like to offer our heartiest

congratulations to Patrick and Alan and wish them all the best in

their efforts in manifesting Shri Matajis vision.

 

JAI SHRI MATAJI!

 

With All Love and Respect:

 

Dave Dunphy

Sandeep Gadkary

 

 

-------------------------------

 

Note: This is the strangest signature of Shri Mataji i have seen, not

that i am disputing it.

 

http://adishakti.org/images/letter_to_canada_20081015.jpg

 

If you enlarge and examine the signature, all you see are strange

lines (as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite incapacitated.

How else can we interpret this 'signature' as we know She have been

repeatedly medicated with powerful psychotic drugs like Risperidone

against Her written instruction? Click on link below and see 10th.

December 1998 letter to compare both signatures).

 

http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg

 

You can see that " Nirmala Srivastava " is clear and legible here, but

not in the recent 15 October 2008 letter. What is the cause of such a

drastic change? We must never ever forget that most infamous,

nefarious and blasphemous claim by WCASY that they represent Her Will.

 

And the name of the Canadian leader, Jay Chudasama, is missing as it

has always been from WCASY .... perhaps the culmination of the decade-

old power struggle to dispose him. i did witness attempts to remove

him since the mid-1990s but Shri Mataji squashed all dissent. i was

there at Pearson Airport, Toronto 1995 when a letter against him was

handed to Her. Shri Mataji told the messenger, who had begun publicly

denouncing him, that either she stop or immediately leave Sahaja Yoga.

i know the people hiding behind this unsuccessful coup who had made

her an unsuspecting pawn in their plot.

 

But today they have succeeded, and if i am not mistaken, the email

probably betrays this decade-old power struggle. And it is Patrick

Lantoin who heads the Canadian Council. It was because of him that i

had to leave the collective, the straw that broke the camel's back.

That happened in 2000 when i emailed the Montreal collective that we

should not be afraid to talk about and declare the Last Judgment and

Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah), as even Muslims are unable to protest/

reject the www.al-qiyamah.org site.

 

Patrick Lantoin was the only person to respond, and literally told me

that i was being meted just punishment from the Divine for what i was

doing. It was a letter that shocked me. i vowed never to return till

SYs begin declaring the Advent and Message of Shri Mataji in all its

entirety, without any restrictions/editing whatsoever.

 

After more than a decade i now know that will not happen in Canada.

Patrick Lantoin and company want to extract maximum benefit from Shri

Mataji's mention of Canada in Her 2008 Guru Puja farewell speech. They

think they are the ones subtly 'chosen' for the task of emancipating

humanity ...... and hence needed to take complete control of the

reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect. There

is now no place for the difficulties of pesky pests they have faced in

the past, pests who are now firmly squashed and buried in the pages

of history. It is obvious that that must have been a huge relief.

 

With Patrick Lantoin and like-minded people now taking over,

including those clearly disappointed with Shri Mataji's 1999 public

praise and approval in Cabella, Italy of Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom

Of God, all hopes of honesty and transparency by Canadian SYs towards

fellow human beings have faded. This collective, deliberate dishonesty

is a common trend and mindset of SYs in all countries practising the

official SYSSR. It is this pervasive lack of consciousness of a crime

against humanity that continues to baffle me. How can Self-realized

souls have no such conscience? What has collectively overcome them?

Why is there no end to such blatant and deliberate dishonesty?

 

So how can we make sense of all this?

 

The priests of this SYSSReligion have edited the teachings of its

founder into the subtle system, a language common people cannot

understand. This is useful in preventing humanity from learning

enough about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders,

both political and spiritual, are disregarding Christ's actual

teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

present day as SY politicians posing as Shri Mataji's hand-picked,

self-righteously press on the unsuspecting public an agenda which is

in almost every detail the opposite of Jesus'.

 

The worst tragedy of this Dark Age of the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System

Religion is not only that thinking is no longer allowed (questioning

the SY Church is an excommunicable offense), but that direct personal

exploration of mystical states is strictly forbidden and regarded as

the work of Evil.

 

It is on these grounds that the SY Church is being built, as was its

origins centuries ago. Associate with it at your own peril.

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and all,

 

Thank you for your information.

 

i remember being informed by email that Shri Mataji desired to come to Canada,

that there were yogis there She said were great, and that She wanted them to

come and see Her. i also remember being informed that to that end, Shri Mataji's

daughter was getting a visa or something, in order to be able to attend her

mother to Canada. Why didn't Shri Mataji come to Canada then? Is it possible

that the priests in Sahaja Yoga prevented this somehow? Were they perhaps afraid

to the point of wetting their pants, that you and your family might come to pay

their respects to Shri Mataji, as you have done in the past?

 

Now as you say there is the great concern that:

 

> If you enlarge and examine the signature, all you see are strange

> lines (as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite incapacitated.

> How else can we interpret this 'signature' as we know She have been

> repeatedly medicated with powerful psychotic drugs like Risperidone

> against Her written instruction?

 

Yet again, there are too many questions that remain unanswered, though one point

has been clearly answered, which is that Shri Mataji has said Sahaja Yogis can

form their own organisations. But even that, if you recall, was edited out of

the 'official' Guru Puja Speech of 2008. That shows that these priests of Sahaja

Yoga have a real problem with the truth. So how can we believe this signature,

which looks in your words, " as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite

incapacitated " ? Why wasn't there a video instead, with Shri Mataji clearly

'saying so', instead? Why didn't Shri Mataji come in person to Canada, like She

desired to?

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> i have to break this Silence to expose " The priests of this

SYSSReligion who have edited the teachings of its founder "

>

> >

> > The priests of this religion recited the teachings of its founder

> > in a language common people could not understand. This was useful

> > in preventing Europe's beleagured peasants from learning enough

> > about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders, both

> > political and spiritual, were disregarding Christ's actual

> > teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> > present day, as politicians posing as Christians self-righteously

> > press on the American public an agenda which is in almost every

> > detail the opposite of Jesus'.

> >

> > The worst tragedy of Europe's Dark Age of Christianity was not only

> > that thinking was no longer allowed (questioning the church was a

> > capital offense), but that direct personal exploration of mystical

> > states was strictly forbidden.

> >

> > The Living Goddess:

> > Reclaiming the Tradition of the Mother of the Universe

> >

> > By Consul B. John Zavrel

> >

>

> theworldcouncil@ sahajayoga. org; lant_pc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com;

> amorrissey (AT) telus (DOT) net

> Fwd: Letter from H.H. Shri Mataji to Canadian Council

> Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:32:43 -0400

> dunphitect (AT) aol (DOT) com

>

> Dear Brothers and Sisters:

>

> I am very pleased to inform you all that according to the attached

> letter from Cabella, Our Holy Mother has nominated the attached

> reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect. May

> this mark a new chapter in the growth and expansion of Sahaja Yoga in

> Canada and place the difficulties they have faced in the past firmly

> in the pages of history. Sandeep and I stand ready to assist the new

> CNC in getting up and running and establishing a positive and

> collaborative relationship with the members of the wider collective.

>

> We extend our deepest thanks and gratitude to Shri Mataji for placing

> Her divine attention on Canada and guiding us all through this

> delicate process. It is only through Her blessings that Canada can

> now realize its full potential in achieving Her vision for that part

> of North America.

>

> On behalf of the World Council, I would like to offer our heartiest

> congratulations to Patrick and Alan and wish them all the best in

> their efforts in manifesting Shri Matajis vision.

>

> JAI SHRI MATAJI!

>

> With All Love and Respect:

>

> Dave Dunphy

> Sandeep Gadkary

>

>

> -------------------------------

>

> Note: This is the strangest signature of Shri Mataji i have seen, not

> that i am disputing it.

>

> http://adishakti.org/images/letter_to_canada_20081015.jpg

>

> If you enlarge and examine the signature, all you see are strange

> lines (as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite incapacitated.

> How else can we interpret this 'signature' as we know She have been

> repeatedly medicated with powerful psychotic drugs like Risperidone

> against Her written instruction? Click on link below and see 10th.

> December 1998 letter to compare both signatures).

>

> http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg

>

> You can see that " Nirmala Srivastava " is clear and legible here, but

> not in the recent 15 October 2008 letter. What is the cause of such a

> drastic change? We must never ever forget that most infamous,

> nefarious and blasphemous claim by WCASY that they represent Her Will.

>

> And the name of the Canadian leader, Jay Chudasama, is missing as it

> has always been from WCASY .... perhaps the culmination of the decade-

> old power struggle to dispose him. i did witness attempts to remove

> him since the mid-1990s but Shri Mataji squashed all dissent. i was

> there at Pearson Airport, Toronto 1995 when a letter against him was

> handed to Her. Shri Mataji told the messenger, who had begun publicly

> denouncing him, that either she stop or immediately leave Sahaja Yoga.

> i know the people hiding behind this unsuccessful coup who had made

> her an unsuspecting pawn in their plot.

>

> But today they have succeeded, and if i am not mistaken, the email

> probably betrays this decade-old power struggle. And it is Patrick

> Lantoin who heads the Canadian Council. It was because of him that i

> had to leave the collective, the straw that broke the camel's back.

> That happened in 2000 when i emailed the Montreal collective that we

> should not be afraid to talk about and declare the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah), as even Muslims are unable to protest/

> reject the www.al-qiyamah.org site.

>

> Patrick Lantoin was the only person to respond, and literally told me

> that i was being meted just punishment from the Divine for what i was

> doing. It was a letter that shocked me. i vowed never to return till

> SYs begin declaring the Advent and Message of Shri Mataji in all its

> entirety, without any restrictions/editing whatsoever.

>

> After more than a decade i now know that will not happen in Canada.

> Patrick Lantoin and company want to extract maximum benefit from Shri

> Mataji's mention of Canada in Her 2008 Guru Puja farewell speech. They

> think they are the ones subtly 'chosen' for the task of emancipating

> humanity ...... and hence needed to take complete control of the

> reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect. There

> is now no place for the difficulties of pesky pests they have faced in

> the past, pests who are now firmly squashed and buried in the pages

> of history. It is obvious that that must have been a huge relief.

>

> With Patrick Lantoin and like-minded people now taking over,

> including those clearly disappointed with Shri Mataji's 1999 public

> praise and approval in Cabella, Italy of Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom

> Of God, all hopes of honesty and transparency by Canadian SYs towards

> fellow human beings have faded. This collective, deliberate dishonesty

> is a common trend and mindset of SYs in all countries practising the

> official SYSSR. It is this pervasive lack of consciousness of a crime

> against humanity that continues to baffle me. How can Self-realized

> souls have no such conscience? What has collectively overcome them?

> Why is there no end to such blatant and deliberate dishonesty?

>

> So how can we make sense of all this?

>

> The priests of this SYSSReligion have edited the teachings of its

> founder into the subtle system, a language common people cannot

> understand. This is useful in preventing humanity from learning

> enough about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders,

> both political and spiritual, are disregarding Christ's actual

> teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> present day as SY politicians posing as Shri Mataji's hand-picked,

> self-righteously press on the unsuspecting public an agenda which is

> in almost every detail the opposite of Jesus'.

>

> The worst tragedy of this Dark Age of the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System

> Religion is not only that thinking is no longer allowed (questioning

> the SY Church is an excommunicable offense), but that direct personal

> exploration of mystical states is strictly forbidden and regarded as

> the work of Evil.

>

> It is on these grounds that the SY Church is being built, as was its

> origins centuries ago. Associate with it at your own peril.

>

> regards to all,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

It's Peter, Violet's husband writing here.

 

In regards to the signature, allegedly belonging to Sri Mataji, I feel that

whoever put pen to paper to produce it is/was suffering some form of

neurological impairment. The lack of well formed curves and straight pen strokes

and an apparent inability to stay, reasonably close, to a horizontal line in

relation to the typed text of the document, are the main indicators on which I

base this opinion.

 

There is also a marked lack of legibility to the signature, i.e., there are no

readable letters. The signature doesn't match those written at an earlier time.

To put the random nature of the marks forming the " signature " down to simply a

matter of age, is probably incorrect as age may cause some shakiness to the pen

strokes but the general shape of the letters in the signature wold be

essentially unchanged from earlier times.

 

This is from the perspective of a Nurse with experience in the area of

neurology (stroke, Acquired brain injury and MS/MND (ALS) and CJD), as well as

working with frail aged.

 

Peter Tubb (R.N.)

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> i have to break this Silence to expose " The priests of this

SYSSReligion who have edited the teachings of its founder "

>

> >

> > The priests of this religion recited the teachings of its founder

> > in a language common people could not understand. This was useful

> > in preventing Europe's beleagured peasants from learning enough

> > about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders, both

> > political and spiritual, were disregarding Christ's actual

> > teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> > present day, as politicians posing as Christians self-righteously

> > press on the American public an agenda which is in almost every

> > detail the opposite of Jesus'.

> >

> > The worst tragedy of Europe's Dark Age of Christianity was not only

> > that thinking was no longer allowed (questioning the church was a

> > capital offense), but that direct personal exploration of mystical

> > states was strictly forbidden.

> >

> > The Living Goddess:

> > Reclaiming the Tradition of the Mother of the Universe

> >

> > By Consul B. John Zavrel

> >

>

> theworldcouncil@ sahajayoga. org; lant_pc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com;

> amorrissey (AT) telus (DOT) net

> Fwd: Letter from H.H. Shri Mataji to Canadian Council

> Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:32:43 -0400

> dunphitect (AT) aol (DOT) com

>

> Dear Brothers and Sisters:

>

> I am very pleased to inform you all that according to the attached

> letter from Cabella, Our Holy Mother has nominated the attached

> reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect. May

> this mark a new chapter in the growth and expansion of Sahaja Yoga in

> Canada and place the difficulties they have faced in the past firmly

> in the pages of history. Sandeep and I stand ready to assist the new

> CNC in getting up and running and establishing a positive and

> collaborative relationship with the members of the wider collective.

>

> We extend our deepest thanks and gratitude to Shri Mataji for placing

> Her divine attention on Canada and guiding us all through this

> delicate process. It is only through Her blessings that Canada can

> now realize its full potential in achieving Her vision for that part

> of North America.

>

> On behalf of the World Council, I would like to offer our heartiest

> congratulations to Patrick and Alan and wish them all the best in

> their efforts in manifesting Shri Matajis vision.

>

> JAI SHRI MATAJI!

>

> With All Love and Respect:

>

> Dave Dunphy

> Sandeep Gadkary

>

>

> -------------------------------

>

> Note: This is the strangest signature of Shri Mataji i have seen, not

> that i am disputing it.

>

> http://adishakti.org/images/letter_to_canada_20081015.jpg

>

> If you enlarge and examine the signature, all you see are strange

> lines (as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite incapacitated.

> How else can we interpret this 'signature' as we know She have been

> repeatedly medicated with powerful psychotic drugs like Risperidone

> against Her written instruction? Click on link below and see 10th.

> December 1998 letter to compare both signatures).

>

> http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg

>

> You can see that " Nirmala Srivastava " is clear and legible here, but

> not in the recent 15 October 2008 letter. What is the cause of such a

> drastic change? We must never ever forget that most infamous,

> nefarious and blasphemous claim by WCASY that they represent Her Will.

>

> And the name of the Canadian leader, Jay Chudasama, is missing as it

> has always been from WCASY .... perhaps the culmination of the decade-

> old power struggle to dispose him. i did witness attempts to remove

> him since the mid-1990s but Shri Mataji squashed all dissent. i was

> there at Pearson Airport, Toronto 1995 when a letter against him was

> handed to Her. Shri Mataji told the messenger, who had begun publicly

> denouncing him, that either she stop or immediately leave Sahaja Yoga.

> i know the people hiding behind this unsuccessful coup who had made

> her an unsuspecting pawn in their plot.

>

> But today they have succeeded, and if i am not mistaken, the email

> probably betrays this decade-old power struggle. And it is Patrick

> Lantoin who heads the Canadian Council. It was because of him that i

> had to leave the collective, the straw that broke the camel's back.

> That happened in 2000 when i emailed the Montreal collective that we

> should not be afraid to talk about and declare the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah), as even Muslims are unable to protest/

> reject the www.al-qiyamah.org site.

>

> Patrick Lantoin was the only person to respond, and literally told me

> that i was being meted just punishment from the Divine for what i was

> doing. It was a letter that shocked me. i vowed never to return till

> SYs begin declaring the Advent and Message of Shri Mataji in all its

> entirety, without any restrictions/editing whatsoever.

>

> After more than a decade i now know that will not happen in Canada.

> Patrick Lantoin and company want to extract maximum benefit from Shri

> Mataji's mention of Canada in Her 2008 Guru Puja farewell speech. They

> think they are the ones subtly 'chosen' for the task of emancipating

> humanity ...... and hence needed to take complete control of the

> reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect. There

> is now no place for the difficulties of pesky pests they have faced in

> the past, pests who are now firmly squashed and buried in the pages

> of history. It is obvious that that must have been a huge relief.

>

> With Patrick Lantoin and like-minded people now taking over,

> including those clearly disappointed with Shri Mataji's 1999 public

> praise and approval in Cabella, Italy of Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom

> Of God, all hopes of honesty and transparency by Canadian SYs towards

> fellow human beings have faded. This collective, deliberate dishonesty

> is a common trend and mindset of SYs in all countries practising the

> official SYSSR. It is this pervasive lack of consciousness of a crime

> against humanity that continues to baffle me. How can Self-realized

> souls have no such conscience? What has collectively overcome them?

> Why is there no end to such blatant and deliberate dishonesty?

>

> So how can we make sense of all this?

>

> The priests of this SYSSReligion have edited the teachings of its

> founder into the subtle system, a language common people cannot

> understand. This is useful in preventing humanity from learning

> enough about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders,

> both political and spiritual, are disregarding Christ's actual

> teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> present day as SY politicians posing as Shri Mataji's hand-picked,

> self-righteously press on the unsuspecting public an agenda which is

> in almost every detail the opposite of Jesus'.

>

> The worst tragedy of this Dark Age of the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System

> Religion is not only that thinking is no longer allowed (questioning

> the SY Church is an excommunicable offense), but that direct personal

> exploration of mystical states is strictly forbidden and regarded as

> the work of Evil.

>

> It is on these grounds that the SY Church is being built, as was its

> origins centuries ago. Associate with it at your own peril.

>

> regards to all,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

 

Thank you for an informative answer that is within your field of

expertise. i would be obliged if you can answer these nagging

questions of Her concerned/confused devotees (see email below) the

honest reason(s) for Shri Mataji's " neurological impairment " :

 

i) was Risperidone in any way responsible for Her " neurological

impairment " as it is claimed in medical circles that Risperidone has

caused stroke in elderly patients?:

 

" It took the government's Committee on Safety of Medicines seven

months to act on comprehensive evidence that a schizophrenia drug

widely given to control the behaviour of elderly people in care homes

could cause them to have a stroke. Last week the advisory body

recommended doctors should not prescribe risperidone or olanzapine

for such patients " ;

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/mar/13/mentalhealth.health

 

ii) did Shri Mataji fully understand what She signed on 10-15-2008?;

 

iii) does long-term side-effects of Risperidone impair (ii)?;

 

iv) can such a patient be easily persuaded/induced/manipulated to

sign any document by someone close, like a husband?

 

v) have you ever heard in all your professional studies/work till

date of a group of individuals able to represent the will (not a

written document) of a patient administered drugs like Risperidone?

 

 

i really appreciate your help Peter. Thanks.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

Note: i am appending an email for the benefit of forum member:

 

Dear Jagbir, Violet and Peter,

 

I must say that my first reaction to Shri Mataji's 'signature' was

one of perplexity, since I could not clearly determine what the

signature actually said. It then crossed my mind briefly, as

mentioned by Peter, that perhaps because of Her age, Her signature

had possibly deteriorated significantly.

 

I was furthermore perplexed because according to recent pictures, Her

talks, and apparently continued interaction with yogis, Shri Mataji

seems to have returned to the Shri Mataji I recognized from my

earlier years in Sahaja Yoga, before She became so silent, stern and

seemingly frail. With the recent evidence of renewed vitality, I

wondered why Her signature had nonetheless become indecipherable and

so far removed from what I recalled having seen before, when Her name

was easily recognizable.

 

Just now I searched out a copy of Her poem 'Dust' that I have, which

also contains Her signature. This signature compares very favourably

to the signature contained in

http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg and is

not at all like this most recent, unfamiliar one.

 

I'm unable to ascertain why this latest signature is so vastly

different from Her original one. In my opinion, Shri Mataji does not

usually sign like that. Why now? I don't know.

 

I, too, wondered why Shri Mataji did not to come to Canada.

 

I also noticed the absence of Jay Chudasama on the council list.

 

Warm regards,

 

Xxxxxxxx

 

 

 

, " Violet "

<violetubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> It's Peter, Violet's husband writing here.

>

> In regards to the signature, allegedly belonging to Sri Mataji, I

feel that whoever put pen to paper to produce it is/was suffering

some form of neurological impairment. The lack of well formed curves

and straight pen strokes and an apparent inability to stay,

reasonably close, to a horizontal line in relation to the typed text

of the document, are the main indicators on which I base this opinion.

>

> There is also a marked lack of legibility to the signature, i.e.,

there are no readable letters. The signature doesn't match those

written at an earlier time. To put the random nature of the marks

forming the " signature " down to simply a matter of age, is probably

incorrect as age may cause some shakiness to the pen strokes but the

general shape of the letters in the signature wold be essentially

unchanged from earlier times.

>

> This is from the perspective of a Nurse with experience in the

area of neurology (stroke, Acquired brain injury and MS/MND (ALS) and

CJD), as well as working with frail aged.

>

> Peter Tubb (R.N.)

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > i have to break this Silence to expose " The priests of this

> SYSSReligion who have edited the teachings of its founder "

> >

> > >

> > > The priests of this religion recited the teachings of its

founder

> > > in a language common people could not understand. This was

useful

> > > in preventing Europe's beleagured peasants from learning enough

> > > about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders, both

> > > political and spiritual, were disregarding Christ's actual

> > > teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> > > present day, as politicians posing as Christians self-

righteously

> > > press on the American public an agenda which is in almost every

> > > detail the opposite of Jesus'.

> > >

> > > The worst tragedy of Europe's Dark Age of Christianity was not

only

> > > that thinking was no longer allowed (questioning the church was

a

> > > capital offense), but that direct personal exploration of

mystical

> > > states was strictly forbidden.

> > >

> > > The Living Goddess:

> > > Reclaiming the Tradition of the Mother of the Universe

> > >

> > > By Consul B. John Zavrel

> > >

> >

> > theworldcouncil@ sahajayoga. org; lant_pc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com;

> > amorrissey (AT) telus (DOT) net

> > Fwd: Letter from H.H. Shri Mataji to Canadian Council

> > Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:32:43 -0400

> > dunphitect (AT) aol (DOT) com

> >

> > Dear Brothers and Sisters:

> >

> > I am very pleased to inform you all that according to the attached

> > letter from Cabella, Our Holy Mother has nominated the attached

> > reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect.

May

> > this mark a new chapter in the growth and expansion of Sahaja

Yoga in

> > Canada and place the difficulties they have faced in the past

firmly

> > in the pages of history. Sandeep and I stand ready to assist the

new

> > CNC in getting up and running and establishing a positive and

> > collaborative relationship with the members of the wider

collective.

> >

> > We extend our deepest thanks and gratitude to Shri Mataji for

placing

> > Her divine attention on Canada and guiding us all through this

> > delicate process. It is only through Her blessings that Canada can

> > now realize its full potential in achieving Her vision for that

part

> > of North America.

> >

> > On behalf of the World Council, I would like to offer our

heartiest

> > congratulations to Patrick and Alan and wish them all the best in

> > their efforts in manifesting Shri Matajis vision.

> >

> > JAI SHRI MATAJI!

> >

> > With All Love and Respect:

> >

> > Dave Dunphy

> > Sandeep Gadkary

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > Note: This is the strangest signature of Shri Mataji i have seen,

not

> > that i am disputing it.

> >

> > http://adishakti.org/images/letter_to_canada_20081015.jpg

> >

> > If you enlarge and examine the signature, all you see are strange

> > lines (as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite incapacitated.

> > How else can we interpret this 'signature' as we know She have

been

> > repeatedly medicated with powerful psychotic drugs like

Risperidone

> > against Her written instruction? Click on link below and see 10th.

> > December 1998 letter to compare both signatures).

> >

> > http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg

> >

> > You can see that " Nirmala Srivastava " is clear and legible here,

but

> > not in the recent 15 October 2008 letter. What is the cause of

such a

> > drastic change? We must never ever forget that most infamous,

> > nefarious and blasphemous claim by WCASY that they represent Her

Will.

> >

> > And the name of the Canadian leader, Jay Chudasama, is missing as

it

> > has always been from WCASY .... perhaps the culmination of the

decade-

> > old power struggle to dispose him. i did witness attempts to

remove

> > him since the mid-1990s but Shri Mataji squashed all dissent. i

was

> > there at Pearson Airport, Toronto 1995 when a letter against him

was

> > handed to Her. Shri Mataji told the messenger, who had begun

publicly

> > denouncing him, that either she stop or immediately leave Sahaja

Yoga.

> > i know the people hiding behind this unsuccessful coup who had

made

> > her an unsuspecting pawn in their plot.

> >

> > But today they have succeeded, and if i am not mistaken, the email

> > probably betrays this decade-old power struggle. And it is Patrick

> > Lantoin who heads the Canadian Council. It was because of him

that i

> > had to leave the collective, the straw that broke the camel's

back.

> > That happened in 2000 when i emailed the Montreal collective that

we

> > should not be afraid to talk about and declare the Last Judgment

and

> > Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah), as even Muslims are unable to protest/

> > reject the www.al-qiyamah.org site.

> >

> > Patrick Lantoin was the only person to respond, and literally

told me

> > that i was being meted just punishment from the Divine for what i

was

> > doing. It was a letter that shocked me. i vowed never to return

till

> > SYs begin declaring the Advent and Message of Shri Mataji in all

its

> > entirety, without any restrictions/editing whatsoever.

> >

> > After more than a decade i now know that will not happen in

Canada.

> > Patrick Lantoin and company want to extract maximum benefit from

Shri

> > Mataji's mention of Canada in Her 2008 Guru Puja farewell speech.

They

> > think they are the ones subtly 'chosen' for the task of

emancipating

> > humanity ...... and hence needed to take complete control of the

> > reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect.

There

> > is now no place for the difficulties of pesky pests they have

faced in

> > the past, pests who are now firmly squashed and buried in the

pages

> > of history. It is obvious that that must have been a huge relief.

> >

> > With Patrick Lantoin and like-minded people now taking over,

> > including those clearly disappointed with Shri Mataji's 1999

public

> > praise and approval in Cabella, Italy of Shri Adi Shakti: The

Kingdom

> > Of God, all hopes of honesty and transparency by Canadian SYs

towards

> > fellow human beings have faded. This collective, deliberate

dishonesty

> > is a common trend and mindset of SYs in all countries practising

the

> > official SYSSR. It is this pervasive lack of consciousness of a

crime

> > against humanity that continues to baffle me. How can Self-

realized

> > souls have no such conscience? What has collectively overcome

them?

> > Why is there no end to such blatant and deliberate dishonesty?

> >

> > So how can we make sense of all this?

> >

> > The priests of this SYSSReligion have edited the teachings of its

> > founder into the subtle system, a language common people cannot

> > understand. This is useful in preventing humanity from learning

> > enough about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders,

> > both political and spiritual, are disregarding Christ's actual

> > teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> > present day as SY politicians posing as Shri Mataji's hand-picked,

> > self-righteously press on the unsuspecting public an agenda which

is

> > in almost every detail the opposite of Jesus'.

> >

> > The worst tragedy of this Dark Age of the Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System

> > Religion is not only that thinking is no longer allowed

(questioning

> > the SY Church is an excommunicable offense), but that direct

personal

> > exploration of mystical states is strictly forbidden and regarded

as

> > the work of Evil.

> >

> > It is on these grounds that the SY Church is being built, as was

its

> > origins centuries ago. Associate with it at your own peril.

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> >

> > jagbir

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

I will answer your question as best as i can, so here goes:-

 

1] From my research the main problem with risperidone and similar drugs is an

increase in the chance of premature death, rather than stroke. There are other

risks that involve the central nervous system but these tend to be transitory,

stopping with cessation of use of risperidone (headache, sleepiness, agitation &

sometimes, aggression).

 

2] IF the condition is biological in origin, i.e., a stroke, it is POSSIBLE that

a cognitive deficit (inability to think in a logical way) may exist. Any such

deficit is dependent on which part of the brain has been affected by the stroke.

 

On the other hand drug induced impairment would cause a slowing of the mental

process of thinking, rather than total disruption of cognition.

 

3] Most SIDE EFFECTS diminish or disappear with cessation of drug therapy. In

some instances the damage caused by an ADVERSE reaction can be permanent.

 

4] It is possible to manipulate people who have a decrease in cognition through

administration of psycho-active medications. An example of this was the use of

sodium pentathol as a truth serum; all this drug did was to lower the subject's

inhibitions and make them very suggestible to say whatever the interrogator

wanted them to say.

 

I have found that it is less easy to convince someone who has had a stroke to

do something that the person does not want to do. The stroke victim can be very

obdurate (stubborn, aggressive, demanding).

 

5] Simple answer to this one is an emphatic NO. In my experience there is a need

for a pre-existing document (a power of attorney enduring, in Australia) to be

provided for an individual or group to usurp a patient's will. Such a document

is VERY specific in the POWER allocated and with whom the power resides. There

is ONE document for each facet of the person's life, e.g., financial, medical,

on-going care or for the disposal of assets.

 

I hope this provides you with the answers you wanted. Let me know if you need

any further clarification or further info.

 

regards,

 

Peter

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Peter,

>

> Thank you for an informative answer that is within your field of

> expertise. i would be obliged if you can answer these nagging

> questions of Her concerned/confused devotees (see email below) the

> honest reason(s) for Shri Mataji's " neurological impairment " :

>

> i) was Risperidone in any way responsible for Her " neurological

> impairment " as it is claimed in medical circles that Risperidone has

> caused stroke in elderly patients?:

>

> " It took the government's Committee on Safety of Medicines seven

> months to act on comprehensive evidence that a schizophrenia drug

> widely given to control the behaviour of elderly people in care homes

> could cause them to have a stroke. Last week the advisory body

> recommended doctors should not prescribe risperidone or olanzapine

> for such patients " ;

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/mar/13/mentalhealth.health

]>

> ii) did Shri Mataji fully understand what She signed on 10-15-2008?;

>

> iii) does long-term side-effects of Risperidone impair (ii)?;

>

> iv) can such a patient be easily persuaded/induced/manipulated to

> sign any document by someone close, like a husband?

>

> v) have you ever heard in all your professional studies/work till

> date of a group of individuals able to represent the will (not a

> written document) of a patient administered drugs like Risperidone?

>

>

> i really appreciate your help Peter. Thanks.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

> Note: i am appending an email for the benefit of forum member:

>

> Dear Jagbir, Violet and Peter,

>

> I must say that my first reaction to Shri Mataji's 'signature' was

> one of perplexity, since I could not clearly determine what the

> signature actually said. It then crossed my mind briefly, as

> mentioned by Peter, that perhaps because of Her age, Her signature

> had possibly deteriorated significantly.

>

> I was furthermore perplexed because according to recent pictures, Her

> talks, and apparently continued interaction with yogis, Shri Mataji

> seems to have returned to the Shri Mataji I recognized from my

> earlier years in Sahaja Yoga, before She became so silent, stern and

> seemingly frail. With the recent evidence of renewed vitality, I

> wondered why Her signature had nonetheless become indecipherable and

> so far removed from what I recalled having seen before, when Her name

> was easily recognizable.

>

> Just now I searched out a copy of Her poem 'Dust' that I have, which

> also contains Her signature. This signature compares very favourably

> to the signature contained in

> http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg and is

> not at all like this most recent, unfamiliar one.

>

> I'm unable to ascertain why this latest signature is so vastly

> different from Her original one. In my opinion, Shri Mataji does not

> usually sign like that. Why now? I don't know.

>

> I, too, wondered why Shri Mataji did not to come to Canada.

>

> I also noticed the absence of Jay Chudasama on the council list.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Xxxxxxxx

>

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violetubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > It's Peter, Violet's husband writing here.

> >

> > In regards to the signature, allegedly belonging to Sri Mataji, I

> feel that whoever put pen to paper to produce it is/was suffering

> some form of neurological impairment. The lack of well formed curves

> and straight pen strokes and an apparent inability to stay,

> reasonably close, to a horizontal line in relation to the typed text

> of the document, are the main indicators on which I base this opinion.

> >

> > There is also a marked lack of legibility to the signature, i.e.,

> there are no readable letters. The signature doesn't match those

> written at an earlier time. To put the random nature of the marks

> forming the " signature " down to simply a matter of age, is probably

> incorrect as age may cause some shakiness to the pen strokes but the

> general shape of the letters in the signature wold be essentially

> unchanged from earlier times.

> >

> > This is from the perspective of a Nurse with experience in the

> area of neurology (stroke, Acquired brain injury and MS/MND (ALS) and

> CJD), as well as working with frail aged.

> >

> > Peter Tubb (R.N.)

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > i have to break this Silence to expose " The priests of this

> > SYSSReligion who have edited the teachings of its founder "

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The priests of this religion recited the teachings of its

> founder

> > > > in a language common people could not understand. This was

> useful

> > > > in preventing Europe's beleagured peasants from learning enough

> > > > about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders, both

> > > > political and spiritual, were disregarding Christ's actual

> > > > teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> > > > present day, as politicians posing as Christians self-

> righteously

> > > > press on the American public an agenda which is in almost every

> > > > detail the opposite of Jesus'.

> > > >

> > > > The worst tragedy of Europe's Dark Age of Christianity was not

> only

> > > > that thinking was no longer allowed (questioning the church was

> a

> > > > capital offense), but that direct personal exploration of

> mystical

> > > > states was strictly forbidden.

> > > >

> > > > The Living Goddess:

> > > > Reclaiming the Tradition of the Mother of the Universe

> > > >

> > > > By Consul B. John Zavrel

> > > >

> > >

> > > theworldcouncil@ sahajayoga. org; lant_pc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com;

> > > amorrissey (AT) telus (DOT) net

> > > Fwd: Letter from H.H. Shri Mataji to Canadian Council

> > > Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:32:43 -0400

> > > dunphitect (AT) aol (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Dear Brothers and Sisters:

> > >

> > > I am very pleased to inform you all that according to the attached

> > > letter from Cabella, Our Holy Mother has nominated the attached

> > > reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect.

> May

> > > this mark a new chapter in the growth and expansion of Sahaja

> Yoga in

> > > Canada and place the difficulties they have faced in the past

> firmly

> > > in the pages of history. Sandeep and I stand ready to assist the

> new

> > > CNC in getting up and running and establishing a positive and

> > > collaborative relationship with the members of the wider

> collective.

> > >

> > > We extend our deepest thanks and gratitude to Shri Mataji for

> placing

> > > Her divine attention on Canada and guiding us all through this

> > > delicate process. It is only through Her blessings that Canada can

> > > now realize its full potential in achieving Her vision for that

> part

> > > of North America.

> > >

> > > On behalf of the World Council, I would like to offer our

> heartiest

> > > congratulations to Patrick and Alan and wish them all the best in

> > > their efforts in manifesting Shri Matajis vision.

> > >

> > > JAI SHRI MATAJI!

> > >

> > > With All Love and Respect:

> > >

> > > Dave Dunphy

> > > Sandeep Gadkary

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > Note: This is the strangest signature of Shri Mataji i have seen,

> not

> > > that i am disputing it.

> > >

> > > http://adishakti.org/images/letter_to_canada_20081015.jpg

> > >

> > > If you enlarge and examine the signature, all you see are strange

> > > lines (as if the person is drugged/drowsy and quite incapacitated.

> > > How else can we interpret this 'signature' as we know She have

> been

> > > repeatedly medicated with powerful psychotic drugs like

> Risperidone

> > > against Her written instruction? Click on link below and see 10th.

> > > December 1998 letter to compare both signatures).

> > >

> > > http://adishakti.org/images/to_whomsoever_it_may_concern.jpg

> > >

> > > You can see that " Nirmala Srivastava " is clear and legible here,

> but

> > > not in the recent 15 October 2008 letter. What is the cause of

> such a

> > > drastic change? We must never ever forget that most infamous,

> > > nefarious and blasphemous claim by WCASY that they represent Her

> Will.

> > >

> > > And the name of the Canadian leader, Jay Chudasama, is missing as

> it

> > > has always been from WCASY .... perhaps the culmination of the

> decade-

> > > old power struggle to dispose him. i did witness attempts to

> remove

> > > him since the mid-1990s but Shri Mataji squashed all dissent. i

> was

> > > there at Pearson Airport, Toronto 1995 when a letter against him

> was

> > > handed to Her. Shri Mataji told the messenger, who had begun

> publicly

> > > denouncing him, that either she stop or immediately leave Sahaja

> Yoga.

> > > i know the people hiding behind this unsuccessful coup who had

> made

> > > her an unsuspecting pawn in their plot.

> > >

> > > But today they have succeeded, and if i am not mistaken, the email

> > > probably betrays this decade-old power struggle. And it is Patrick

> > > Lantoin who heads the Canadian Council. It was because of him

> that i

> > > had to leave the collective, the straw that broke the camel's

> back.

> > > That happened in 2000 when i emailed the Montreal collective that

> we

> > > should not be afraid to talk about and declare the Last Judgment

> and

> > > Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah), as even Muslims are unable to protest/

> > > reject the www.al-qiyamah.org site.

> > >

> > > Patrick Lantoin was the only person to respond, and literally

> told me

> > > that i was being meted just punishment from the Divine for what i

> was

> > > doing. It was a letter that shocked me. i vowed never to return

> till

> > > SYs begin declaring the Advent and Message of Shri Mataji in all

> its

> > > entirety, without any restrictions/editing whatsoever.

> > >

> > > After more than a decade i now know that will not happen in

> Canada.

> > > Patrick Lantoin and company want to extract maximum benefit from

> Shri

> > > Mataji's mention of Canada in Her 2008 Guru Puja farewell speech.

> They

> > > think they are the ones subtly 'chosen' for the task of

> emancipating

> > > humanity ...... and hence needed to take complete control of the

> > > reformed Canadian National Council (CNC) with immediate effect.

> There

> > > is now no place for the difficulties of pesky pests they have

> faced in

> > > the past, pests who are now firmly squashed and buried in the

> pages

> > > of history. It is obvious that that must have been a huge relief.

> > >

> > > With Patrick Lantoin and like-minded people now taking over,

> > > including those clearly disappointed with Shri Mataji's 1999

> public

> > > praise and approval in Cabella, Italy of Shri Adi Shakti: The

> Kingdom

> > > Of God, all hopes of honesty and transparency by Canadian SYs

> towards

> > > fellow human beings have faded. This collective, deliberate

> dishonesty

> > > is a common trend and mindset of SYs in all countries practising

> the

> > > official SYSSR. It is this pervasive lack of consciousness of a

> crime

> > > against humanity that continues to baffle me. How can Self-

> realized

> > > souls have no such conscience? What has collectively overcome

> them?

> > > Why is there no end to such blatant and deliberate dishonesty?

> > >

> > > So how can we make sense of all this?

> > >

> > > The priests of this SYSSReligion have edited the teachings of its

> > > founder into the subtle system, a language common people cannot

> > > understand. This is useful in preventing humanity from learning

> > > enough about Jesus's words to realize that many of their leaders,

> > > both political and spiritual, are disregarding Christ's actual

> > > teachings at every turn. Unfortunately, this continues to the

> > > present day as SY politicians posing as Shri Mataji's hand-picked,

> > > self-righteously press on the unsuspecting public an agenda which

> is

> > > in almost every detail the opposite of Jesus'.

> > >

> > > The worst tragedy of this Dark Age of the Sahaja Yoga Subtle

> System

> > > Religion is not only that thinking is no longer allowed

> (questioning

> > > the SY Church is an excommunicable offense), but that direct

> personal

> > > exploration of mystical states is strictly forbidden and regarded

> as

> > > the work of Evil.

> > >

> > > It is on these grounds that the SY Church is being built, as was

> its

> > > origins centuries ago. Associate with it at your own peril.

> > >

> > > regards to all,

> > >

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> >

>