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Hi All,

 

 

Like to ask a question and view the reply of members.

 

Can Hindus eat beef?

 

Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications(if so, what are

they?)

 

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Tulasi,

 

This was one question that has been bugging me too.

There are apparently references in the vedas where meant eating is considered

" ok " . This was pointed out by Swami vivekananda who is said to eaten beef when

he came to America. It was later evolution of the hindu religion than bought in

the sacred nature of the cow and forbidding of meat consumption..

 

Ofcourse this is info is just hearsay. I'd like to know the opinions of others

on this.

Bob

 

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote:

 

Tulasi <thundergod999

 

Like to ask a question and view the reply of members.

 

Can Hindus eat beef?

 

Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so, what are

they?)

 

Thanks

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" Hinduism " doesn't encourage or proscribe eating meat. However Its better to

be a pure vegetarian and not single out Cow for the special treatment.

 

 

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Robert Partick <robertpartickwrote:

 

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Namaste

 

Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha which is

the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they find that a

life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

 

I slowly became vegetarian except that I ate fish. I had nightmares about fish,

but I still ate shrimp.� I had the most horrific nightmare about shrimp and I

could not bear to eat them either.

 

I am slowly giving up eating dairy products as well, mostly because in my middle

age it does not set well with my constitution.

 

Environmentally, eating meat is like driving an SUV.� Meat eating is not very

good for health. Take a look at American Seventh Day Adventists who are

vegetarian.

 

In Hindu culture, the cow is considered sacred. Hindus have traditionally

respected animals that served civilization, and are treated with great care.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Shanti Om,

Shankari

 

Enquire: 'Who am I?' and you will find the answer. Look at a tree: from one seed

arises a huge tree; from it comes numerous seeds, each one of which in its turn

grows into a tree. No two fruits are alike. Yet it is one life that throbs in

every particle of the tree. So, it is the same Atman everywhere. --Sri

Anandamayi Ma

 

http://shankarikali.wordpress.com/

 

 

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote:

 

Tulasi <thundergod999

 

 

Can Hindus eat beef?

 

Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so, what are

they?)

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Om Namaha Shivaya

 

 

Shri Matre Namaha

 

 

It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

 

If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

 

Regards

 

Ravi

 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kaliwrote:

 

>

>

> Namaste

>

> Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha

> which is the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they

> find that a life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

>

> I slowly became vegetarian except that I ate fish. I had nightmares about

> fish, but I still ate shrimp.� I had the most horrific nightmare about

> shrimp and I could not bear to eat them either.

>

> I am slowly giving up eating dairy products as well, mostly because in my

> middle age it does not set well with my constitution.

>

> Environmentally, eating meat is like driving an SUV.� Meat eating is not

> very good for health. Take a look at American Seventh Day Adventists who are

> vegetarian.

>

> In Hindu culture, the cow is considered sacred. Hindus have traditionally

> respected animals that served civilization, and are treated with great care.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> Shanti Om,

> Shankari

>

> Enquire: 'Who am I?' and you will find the answer. Look at a tree: from one

> seed arises a huge tree; from it comes numerous seeds, each one of which in

> its turn grows into a tree. No two fruits are alike. Yet it is one life that

> throbs in every particle of the tree. So, it is the same Atman everywhere.

> --Sri Anandamayi Ma

>

> http://shankarikali.wordpress.com/

>

> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi

<thundergod999<thundergod999%40>>

> wrote:

>

> Tulasi <thundergod999 <thundergod999%40>>

>

> Can Hindus eat beef?

>

> Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so,

> what are they?)

>

>

 

 

 

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The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow worship

] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva, the

lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only the

devotees are let in for the darshan!

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw wrote:

 

Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw

Re: beef

 

Sunday, 26 April, 2009, 9:00 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namaha Shivaya

 

 

 

Shri Matre Namaha

 

 

 

It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

 

understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

 

There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

 

nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

 

How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

 

 

 

If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

 

avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

 

Ravi

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ >wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

> Namaste

 

>

 

> Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha

 

> which is the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they

 

> find that a life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

 

>

 

> I slowly became vegetarian except that I ate fish. I had nightmares about

 

> fish, but I still ate shrimp.� I had the most horrific nightmare about

 

> shrimp and I could not bear to eat them either.

 

>

 

> I am slowly giving up eating dairy products as well, mostly because in my

 

> middle age it does not set well with my constitution.

 

>

 

> Environmentally, eating meat is like driving an SUV.� Meat eating is not

 

> very good for health. Take a look at American Seventh Day Adventists who are

 

> vegetarian.

 

>

 

> In Hindu culture, the cow is considered sacred. Hindus have traditionally

 

> respected animals that served civilization, and are treated with great care.

 

>

 

> Hope that helps.

 

>

 

> Shanti Om,

 

> Shankari

 

>

 

> Enquire: 'Who am I?' and you will find the answer. Look at a tree: from one

 

> seed arises a huge tree; from it comes numerous seeds, each one of which in

 

> its turn grows into a tree. No two fruits are alike. Yet it is one life that

 

> throbs in every particle of the tree. So, it is the same Atman everywhere.

 

> --Sri Anandamayi Ma

 

>

 

> http://shankarikali .wordpress. com/

 

>

 

> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergod999%

40> >

 

> wrote:

 

>

 

> Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergod999% 40> >

 

>

 

> Can Hindus eat beef?

 

>

 

> Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so,

 

> what are they?)

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the reply, Interesting perspectives.

 

I agree that being vegetarian is good for spirituality. I personally felt a

sence of wellbeing when I was a vegetarian for a month. I believe it may be the

absence of toxins in meat that caused this wellbeing.

 

But my query pertains to the popular belief that hindus can eat all meat except

beef.

 

Sometime ago, i watched a programme on TV of a temple in india where the temple

were filled with live rats. Evidently the rats in the temple enjoyed a elevated

spiritual status. They were well fed and well nutured. They had a godly status.

 

But in the streets probably everywhere else, rats are slaughtered because they

bring plague.

 

The same goes with cobra snakes. On one hand, they enjoy elevated spiritual

status but ironically killed because they kill people.

 

The same goes with eating beef. Many hindus do not eat beef because of a

elevated status but ironically people use leather products like watchstraps,

shoes, belts, bags ...........

 

I know a clan of hindus who eat beef and it seems that for generations these

people have been eating beef. It is as though there is no conection between

eating beef and spirituality.

 

My suspicion is that eating or not eating beef depends on ones personal belief.

If u think its wrong ,its wrong. if u think it right , its ok.

 

Can anybody agree to this or any other views?

 

 

 

 

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> The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

> even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow

worship ] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva,

the lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only

the devotees are let in for the darshan!

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw wrote:

>

> Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw

>

> It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

>

> understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

>

> There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

>

> nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

>

> How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

>

>

> If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

>

> avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

>

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@

>wrote:

>

>

> > Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha

>

> > which is the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they

>

> > find that a life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

>

>>

> > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergod999%

40> >

>

>

> > Can Hindus eat beef?

>

> >

>

> > Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so,

>

> > what are they?)

>

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All these are traditional views and personal likes and dislikes. Is it not?

 

Then how do u explain the cooking of beef in pit fires in Bharadwaja ashrama

when Rama was recieved on his way back from Lanka after victory over Rama?

 

May the wise explain?

 

Aravindan Viswanathan <the_thornbird_16

Re: beef

 

Sunday, April 26, 2009, 12:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow worship

] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva, the

lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only the

devotees are let in for the darshan!

 

--- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: beef

 

Sunday, 26 April, 2009, 9:00 AM

 

Om Namaha Shivaya

 

Shri Matre Namaha

 

It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

 

understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

 

There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

 

nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

 

How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

 

If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

 

avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

 

Regards

 

Ravi

 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ >wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

> Namaste

 

>

 

> Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha

 

> which is the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they

 

> find that a life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

 

>

 

> I slowly became vegetarian except that I ate fish. I had nightmares about

 

> fish, but I still ate shrimp.� I had the most horrific nightmare about

 

> shrimp and I could not bear to eat them either.

 

>

 

> I am slowly giving up eating dairy products as well, mostly because in my

 

> middle age it does not set well with my constitution.

 

>

 

> Environmentally, eating meat is like driving an SUV.� Meat eating is not

 

> very good for health. Take a look at American Seventh Day Adventists who are

 

> vegetarian.

 

>

 

> In Hindu culture, the cow is considered sacred. Hindus have traditionally

 

> respected animals that served civilization, and are treated with great care.

 

>

 

> Hope that helps.

 

>

 

> Shanti Om,

 

> Shankari

 

>

 

> Enquire: 'Who am I?' and you will find the answer. Look at a tree: from one

 

> seed arises a huge tree; from it comes numerous seeds, each one of which in

 

> its turn grows into a tree. No two fruits are alike. Yet it is one life that

 

> throbs in every particle of the tree. So, it is the same Atman everywhere.

 

> --Sri Anandamayi Ma

 

>

 

> http://shankarikali .wordpress. com/

 

>

 

> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergo d999%

40> >

 

> wrote:

 

>

 

> Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergod999% 40> >

 

>

 

> Can Hindus eat beef?

 

>

 

> Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so,

 

> what are they?)

 

>

 

>

 

 

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Here is Swami Vivekananda's thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned its a

question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical reasons....

 

 

Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef in

the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people who

still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your religion,

not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed. There was a time

in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin

; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king, or a great man came into a

house, the best bullock was killed, how in time it was found that as we were an

agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race.

Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing

of cows...

" I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

institutions... Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to be

positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we have to

remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and gratitude

for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation of our

race... "

(From Swami Vivekananda's reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

Advaita Ashram in 1997)

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

 

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz

 

All these are traditional views and personal likes and dislikes. Is it not?

 

Then how do u explain the cooking of beef in pit fires in Bharadwaja ashrama

when Rama was recieved on his way back from Lanka after victory over Rama?

 

May the wise explain?

 

Aravindan Viswanathan <the_thornbird_ 16 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow worship

] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva, the

lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only the

devotees are let in for the darshan!

 

--- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

 

It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

 

understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

 

There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

 

nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

 

How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

 

If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

 

avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

 

Regards

 

Ravi

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Namaste:

 

As Swami Vivekananda explains Vedic culture has changed, and Hinduism is a very

adaptive form of spirituality.

 

At one point, animal sacrifice fell out of favor, and meat eating did as well. I

thought that this occurred with Lord Krishna, and then continued with Lord

Buddha.  If this is not accurate, someone please correct me.

 

There are still animal sacrifices in some Devi temples, not all. I believe that

they sacrifice goats and some birds, but not cows.  Cows may be sacrificed in

Nepal, however. I'm not sure about that.

 

Anyway, considering the environmental impact of excessive meat eating, I would

think that it would be appropriate to at least reduce one's meat eating.

 

Shanti Om,

Shankari

 

 

 

 

Here is Swami Vivekananda' s thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned

its a question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical

reasons....

 

 

Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef in

the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

 

His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people who

still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

 

Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your religion,

not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed. There was a time

in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin

; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king, or a great man came into a

house, the best bullock was killed, how in time it was found that as we were an

agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race.

Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing

of cows...

 

" I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

institutions. .. Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to be

positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we have to

remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and gratitude

for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation of our

race... "

 

(From Swami Vivekananda' s reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

Advaita Ashram in 1997)

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz >

 

All these are traditional views and personal likes and dislikes. Is it not?

 

 

 

Then how do u explain the cooking of beef in pit fires in Bharadwaja ashrama

when Rama was recieved on his way back from Lanka after victory over Rama?

 

 

May the wise explain?

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Nepalese sacrifice buffaloes

 

 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kaliwrote:

 

>

>

> Namaste:

>

> As Swami Vivekananda explains Vedic culture has changed, and Hinduism is a

> very adaptive form of spirituality.

>

> At one point, animal sacrifice fell out of favor, and meat eating did as

> well. I thought that this occurred with Lord Krishna, and then continued

> with Lord Buddha. If this is not accurate, someone please correct me.

>

> There are still animal sacrifices in some Devi temples, not all. I believe

> that they sacrifice goats and some birds, but not cows. Cows may be

> sacrificed in Nepal, however. I'm not sure about that.

>

> Anyway, considering the environmental impact of excessive meat eating, I

> would think that it would be appropriate to at least reduce one's meat

> eating.

>

> Shanti Om,

> Shankari

>

>

> Here is Swami Vivekananda' s thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned

> its a question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical

> reasons....

>

> Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef

> in the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

> illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

>

> His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people

> who still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

>

> Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

> social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your

> religion, not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed.

> There was a time in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin

> could remain a Brahmin ; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king,

> or a great man came into a house, the best bullock was killed, how in time

> it was found that as we were an agricultural race, killing the best bulls

> meant annihilation of the race. Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a

> voice was raised against the killing of cows...

>

> " I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

> institutions. .. Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to

> be positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we

> have to remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and

> gratitude for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation

> of our race... "

>

> (From Swami Vivekananda' s reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

> published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

> Advaita Ashram in 1997)

>

>

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JAI MAA,

 

The Importance of

Cows in Nepal:

Cows are worshiped in Nepal, killing a cow is worse than murder of a human

being. During Sharad Navratri, one day is dedicated to Cows; it is call GAI

JATRA, meaning procession of cows.

 

The cow gives us milk, without which we cannot survive.

From birth, we depend on milk for our good health and our survival. For the

first 3 months, we drink the milk of the cow through our mother and then

directly for the rest of our lives. How can you kill a mother, which nourishes

you with good health for life?

 

Hindus regard all living creatures as sacred:

mammals, fishes, birds and more. We acknowledge this reverence for life in our

special affection for the cow. At festivals we decorate and honor her, but we

do not worship her in the sense that we worship the Deity. To the Hindu, the cow

symbolizes all other creatures. The cow is a symbol of the Earth, the nourisher,

the ever-giving, undemanding provider. The cow represents life and the

sustenance

of life. The cow is so generous, taking nothing but water, grass and grain. It

gives and gives and gives of its milk, as does the liberated soul give of his

spiritual

knowledge. The cow is so vital to life, the virtual sustainer of life, for many

humans. The cow is a symbol of grace and abundance. Veneration of the cow

instills in Hindus the virtues of gentleness, receptivity and connectedness

with nature.

 

 

 

Vegetarianism:

 

Many Hindus follow a vegetarian diet. This practice relates to the Hindu

principle

of ahimsa, non-injury to all living things (sometimes referred to as

non-violence). It is also reflected in

laws of karma and dharma. By involving

oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury, pain and death, even indirectly by

eating other creatures, one must in the future experience in equal measure the

suffering caused. If you eat animals now, you build bad karma, which will

result in punishment in the future. This is guaranteed. The law of Karma is a

reality.

 

Gururbrahmaa gururvishnuh gururdevo Maheswarah |

 

Guruh-saakshaat parabrahma tasmai shrigurave namah ||

 

 

Om,

 

Rajyalaxmi

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The�reference to Swami Vivekananda's speech is a�deep and meaningful insight

to the practicality of spiritualism�as emerged�in the Indus civilization. As

the society evovles and impact of�human actions/deeds on�balance of nature

for sustaining continued life on this planet is recognized, the practices keep

changing without losing the essence of spirituality and God Consciousness. Last

month I remember seeing an article in news about the impact of millions of

cows in India on environment and warming climate in India. The article said that

the gas released by these cows contained so much methane that significant amount

of carbon monoxide was�released into�atmosphere that contributes

to�atmospheric heating. Could this mean, people starting to eat beef can

minimize the warming effect? Let's not loose sight of the fact that " Mentally it

is very easy to accept giving up eating meat, but�for a vegetarian to start

eating meat�based on any

logical reasoning is very challenging and difficult. "

 

The best�fact to accept here is: Each one of us follow what�we are mentally

comfortable without blaming or finding fault with�other's practices.�Even

moreso is for us to follow what our kula practice is. If Brahmins�Kula

practice�prohibits meat�eating,�then follow it. If�a�Kula accepts meat

eating,�let them follow it. But as a�True Saadhaka, forget not

to�recognize Shakti in everyone and everything around.

 

I am very much enjoying and learning through these discussions.�Different

thoughts, ideas, philosophies and references to Great sayings.�This is a

collective learning and growing. Excellent work Saadhakaas. Let's

keep�such�questions and discussions going.

�

At Mother's Lotus Feet,

Shakti Thondan

To receive the Light of Supreme Power visit http://www.sakthiolhi.org

 

________________________________

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali

 

As Swami Vivekananda explains Vedic culture has changed, and Hinduism is a very

adaptive form of spirituality.

 

[....]

 

Here is Swami Vivekananda' s thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned its a

question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical reasons....

 

Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef in

the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

 

His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people who

still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

 

Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your religion,

not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed. There was a time

in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin

; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king, or a great man came into a

house, the best bullock was killed, how in time it was found that as we were an

agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race.

Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing

of cows...

 

" I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

institutions. .. Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to be

positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we have to

remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and gratitude

for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation of our

race... "

 

(From Swami Vivekananda' s reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

Advaita Ashram in 1997)

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thank you. Thats more authoritative than poor ol me :)

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

 

 

Robert Partick <robertpartick

Re: beef

 

Sunday, April 26, 2009, 11:00 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is Swami Vivekananda' s thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned its a

question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical reasons....

 

 

Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef in

the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people who

still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your religion,

not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed. There was a time

in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin

; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king, or a great man came into a

house, the best bullock was killed, how in time it was found that as we were an

agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race.

Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing

of cows...

" I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

institutions. .. Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to be

positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we have to

remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and gratitude

for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation of our

race... "

(From Swami Vivekananda' s reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

Advaita Ashram in 1997)

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz >

 

All these are traditional views and personal likes and dislikes. Is it not?

 

Then how do u explain the cooking of beef in pit fires in Bharadwaja ashrama

when Rama was recieved on his way back from Lanka after victory over Rama?

 

May the wise explain?

 

Aravindan Viswanathan <the_thornbird_ 16 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow worship

] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva, the

lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only the

devotees are let in for the darshan!

 

--- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

 

It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

 

understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

 

There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

 

nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

 

How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

 

If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

 

avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

 

Regards

 

Ravi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The issue has no spiritual basis see vivekananda quoted below. Physically it

maybe better to avoid red meat especially considering that Indians are

genetically prone to heart attack. Thats it.

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote:

 

 

Tulasi <thundergod999

Re: beef

 

Sunday, April 26, 2009, 8:57 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply, Interesting perspectives.

 

I agree that being vegetarian is good for spirituality. I personally felt a

sence of wellbeing when I was a vegetarian for a month. I believe it may be the

absence of toxins in meat that caused this wellbeing.

 

But my query pertains to the popular belief that hindus can eat all meat except

beef.

 

Sometime ago, i watched a programme on TV of a temple in india where the temple

were filled with live rats. Evidently the rats in the temple enjoyed a elevated

spiritual status. They were well fed and well nutured. They had a godly status.

 

But in the streets probably everywhere else, rats are slaughtered because they

bring plague.

 

The same goes with cobra snakes. On one hand, they enjoy elevated spiritual

status but ironically killed because they kill people.

 

The same goes with eating beef. Many hindus do not eat beef because of a

elevated status but ironically people use leather products like watchstraps,

shoes, belts, bags ...........

 

I know a clan of hindus who eat beef and it seems that for generations these

people have been eating beef. It is as though there is no conection between

eating beef and spirituality.

 

My suspicion is that eating or not eating beef depends on ones personal belief.

If u think its wrong ,its wrong. if u think it right , its ok.

 

Can anybody agree to this or any other views?

 

............. ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....

 

> The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

> even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow

worship ] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva,

the lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only

the devotees are let in for the darshan!

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw > wrote:

>

> Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw >

>

> It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

>

> understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

>

> There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

>

> nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

>

> How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

>

>

> If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

>

> avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

>

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@

>wrote:

>

>

> > Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha

>

> > which is the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they

>

> > find that a life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

>

>>

> > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergo d999%

40> >

>

>

> > Can Hindus eat beef?

>

> >

>

> > Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so,

>

> > what are they?)

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The issue has no spiritual basis see vivekananda quoted below. Physically it

maybe better to avoid red meat especially considering that Indians are

genetically prone to heart attack. Thats it.

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote:

 

 

Tulasi <thundergod999

Re: beef

 

Sunday, April 26, 2009, 8:57 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply, Interesting perspectives.

 

I agree that being vegetarian is good for spirituality. I personally felt a

sence of wellbeing when I was a vegetarian for a month. I believe it may be the

absence of toxins in meat that caused this wellbeing.

 

But my query pertains to the popular belief that hindus can eat all meat except

beef.

 

Sometime ago, i watched a programme on TV of a temple in india where the temple

were filled with live rats. Evidently the rats in the temple enjoyed a elevated

spiritual status. They were well fed and well nutured. They had a godly status.

 

But in the streets probably everywhere else, rats are slaughtered because they

bring plague.

 

The same goes with cobra snakes. On one hand, they enjoy elevated spiritual

status but ironically killed because they kill people.

 

The same goes with eating beef. Many hindus do not eat beef because of a

elevated status but ironically people use leather products like watchstraps,

shoes, belts, bags ...........

 

I know a clan of hindus who eat beef and it seems that for generations these

people have been eating beef. It is as though there is no conection between

eating beef and spirituality.

 

My suspicion is that eating or not eating beef depends on ones personal belief.

If u think its wrong ,its wrong. if u think it right , its ok.

 

Can anybody agree to this or any other views?

 

............. ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....

 

> The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

> even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow

worship ] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva,

the lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only

the devotees are let in for the darshan!

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw > wrote:

>

> Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw >

>

> It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

>

> understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

>

> There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

>

> nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

>

> How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

>

>

> If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

>

> avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

>

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@

>wrote:

>

>

> > Hindus can eat whatever they wish, but as they attempt to reach moksha

>

> > which is the goal in Hinduism or as they attempt to reach liberation, they

>

> > find that a life of compassion is incongruous with eating animals.

>

>>

> > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tulasi <thundergod999@ <thundergo d999%

40> >

>

>

> > Can Hindus eat beef?

>

> >

>

> > Is it just a tradition or has it got any spiritual implications( if so,

>

> > what are they?)

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I agree with Sankara Menon's point here. Being non-vegetarian has nothing to do

with spirituality. Personally, I gave up eating meat, but not for spiritual

purposes, but for health reasons. I still eat good amount of fish as a

significant source of protein and certain amino acids.

 

Anything eaten in moderate quantity is not harmful. French eat more fatty food

and red meat yet have the lowest rate of heart diseases than even Americans,

simply because of their eating habits: 1) Their lunch and dinner is unrushed 2

hour deal and 2)They take red wine along with their foood in moderate quantity.

 

At Mother's Lotus Feet,

Shakti Thondan

To receive the Light of Supreme Power visit http://www.sakthiolhi.org

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

 

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz

 

 

The issue has no spiritual basis see vivekananda quoted below. Physically it

maybe better to avoid red meat especially considering that Indians are

genetically prone to heart attack. Thats it.

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Thank you for the complement Patrick. I been weighed down by too many

complements. ;)

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

 

 

Robert Partick <robertpartick

Re: beef

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:42 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I was trying to supplement your statement with Swami Vivekananda' s.....If

two great men share the same thoughts, it can't be wrong can it??? :-)

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz >

 

thank you. Thats more authoritative than poor ol me :)

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Robert Partick <robertpartick@ > wrote:

 

Robert Partick <robertpartick@ >

 

Here is Swami Vivekananda' s thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned its a

question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical reasons....

 

 

Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef in

the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people who

still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your religion,

not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed. There was a time

in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin

; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king, or a great man came into a

house, the best bullock was killed, how in time it was found that as we were an

agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race.

Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing

of cows...

" I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

institutions. .. Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to be

positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we have to

remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and gratitude

for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation of our

race... "

(From Swami Vivekananda' s reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

Advaita Ashram in 1997)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm surprised at the answers of many of my group friends who are supposed to be

heading towards being a spiritual person.  I think you need to understand what

you are eating here. There is no remorse in the way an animal is killed today.

What you see in the supermarket are neat slices or cuts of whatever meat you

care to eat but do you stop to think of what kind of treatment may have been

meted out to the animals before they are neatly placed in front of you ? Don't

act like you people are ignorant of the truth. Enough said maybe you should

google and see the harsh reality.....

Stop cruelty to animals. The first step to spirituality is not hurting others

and respecting animals ...treat them the way you will treat yourself.

 Rashmi

 

________________________________

Shakti Thondan <sakthithondan

 

I agree with Sankara Menon's point here. Being non-vegetarian has nothing to do

with spirituality. Personally, I gave up eating meat, but not for spiritual

purposes, but for health reasons. I still eat good amount of fish as a

significant source of protein and certain amino acids.

 

Anything eaten in moderate quantity is not harmful. French eat more fatty food

and red meat yet have the lowest rate of heart diseases than even Americans,

simply because of their eating habits: 1) Their lunch and dinner is unrushed 2

hour deal and 2)They take red wine along with their foood in moderate quantity.

 

At Mother's Lotus Feet,

Shakti Thondan

 

To receive the Light of Supreme Power visit http://www.sakthiol hi.org

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz >

 

The issue has no spiritual basis see vivekananda quoted below. Physically it

maybe better to avoid red meat especially considering that Indians are

genetically prone to heart attack. Thats it.

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Rashmi,

  The debate here is primarily about spiritualism and meat consumption. I

believe the responses on this group is in no way a sign of apathy or

indifference to the plight of animals. It was just underlining the fact that

spiritualism is not exclusive to vegetarianism.

Please dont misunderstand the groups comments.

Bob

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, rush ram <rume235 wrote:

 

 

rush ram <rume235

 

 

I'm surprised at the answers of many of my group friends who are supposed to be

heading towards being a spiritual person.  I think you need to understand what

you are eating here. There is no remorse in the way an animal is killed today.

What you see in the supermarket are neat slices or cuts of whatever meat you

care to eat but do you stop to think of what kind of treatment may have been

meted out to the animals before they are neatly placed in front of you ? Don't

act like you people are ignorant of the truth. Enough said maybe you should

google and see the harsh reality......

Stop cruelty to animals. The first step to spirituality is not hurting others

and respecting animals ...treat them the way you will treat yourself..

 Rashmi

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Robert

Sorry if i sound harsh but what i mean is yes in today's world spiritulism is

connected with vegetarianism and avoiding animal products. 

Decades back the animals were reared in a friendly environment till they were

taken to the abattoir . They multiplied naturally not like what goes on today. A

pig doesnt live in a farm anymore ..it does know what sweet smelling earth is

all about...they are born in  " factories " artificially impregnated n

are slaughtered after their time is up with even having know what mud and sky is

all about. Hen are injected so that they may produce huge eggs which hurt them

and make them bleed everytime they lay eggs. Spiritualism is primarily about

living your life without intentionally hurting another living things and by

consuming meat and using animal products like leather, fur etc u are abbeting

violence. Spiritualism does not go hand in hand with violence. I dont wish to

debate on this because I will NEVER agree otherwise. I am a hindu ..I have eaten

beef and other animal meat and enjoyed it but since the last 3 years since i

have completely stopped

eating meat n am slowly giving up all animal products like leather goods

etc.... I have opened out my eyes to reality and this is an important step

towards spiritualism. I dont want to sound like i'm showing off but i must say

that a lot of people think i;m in my early or mid 20's whereas i'm in my early

40's. So my friends vegetarianism not only is the first step towards

spirituality but also youth :)

 Rashmi

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Robert Partick <robertpartick

 

Wednesday, 29 April, 2009 1:10:41 AM

Re: beef

 

 

 

 

 

Rashmi,

  The debate here is  primarily about spiritualism and meat consumption.  I

believe the responses on this group is in no way a sign of apathy or

indifference to the plight of animals. It was just underlining the fact that

spiritualism is not exclusive to vegetarianism.

Please dont misunderstand the groups comments.

Bob

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, rush ram <rume235 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

rush ram <rume235 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

I'm surprised at the answers of many of my group friends who are supposed to be

heading towards being a spiritual person.  I think you need to understand what

you are eating here. There is no remorse in the way an animal is killed today.

What you see in the supermarket are neat slices or cuts of whatever meat you

care to eat but do you stop to think of what kind of treatment may have been

meted out to the animals before they are neatly placed in front of you ? Don't

act like you people are ignorant of the truth. Enough said maybe you should

google and see the harsh reality..... ..

Stop cruelty to animals. The first step to spirituality is not hurting others

and respecting animals ...treat them the way you will treat yourself..

 Rashmi

 

 

 

 

 

Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Go to

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Hmmmmm, discussing eating beef and meat is acceptable or not from an objective

perspective is different than stating what one believes in.

 

If one believes in something, then no discussion is needed. Also what one

believes in, need not be the same for others.

 

 

 

, rush ram <rume235 wrote:

>

> Robert

> Sorry if i sound harsh but what i mean is yes in today's world spiritulism is

connected with vegetarianism and avoiding animal products. 

> Decades back the animals were reared in a friendly environment till they were

taken to the abattoir . They multiplied naturally not like what goes on today. A

pig doesnt live in a farm anymore ..it does know what sweet smelling earth is

all about...they are born in  " factories " artificially impregnated n

are slaughtered after their time is up with even having know what mud and sky is

all about. Hen are injected so that they may produce huge eggs which hurt them

and make them bleed everytime they lay eggs. Spiritualism is primarily about

living your life without intentionally hurting another living things and by

consuming meat and using animal products like leather, fur etc u are abbeting

violence. Spiritualism does not go hand in hand with violence. I dont wish to

debate on this because I will NEVER agree otherwise. I am a hindu ..I have eaten

beef and other animal meat and enjoyed it but since the last 3 years since i

have completely stopped

> eating meat n am slowly giving up all animal products like leather goods

etc.... I have opened out my eyes to reality and this is an important step

towards spiritualism. I dont want to sound like i'm showing off but i must say

that a lot of people think i;m in my early or mid 20's whereas i'm in my early

40's. So my friends vegetarianism not only is the first step towards

spirituality but also youth :)

>  Rashmi

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Robert Partick <robertpartick

>

> Wednesday, 29 April, 2009 1:10:41 AM

> Re: beef

>

>

>

>

>

> Rashmi,

>   The debate here is  primarily about spiritualism and meat consumption.  I

believe the responses on this group is in no way a sign of apathy or

indifference to the plight of animals. It was just underlining the fact that

spiritualism is not exclusive to vegetarianism.

> Please dont misunderstand the groups comments.

> Bob

>

> --- On Tue, 4/28/09, rush ram <rume235 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> rush ram <rume235 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> I'm surprised at the answers of many of my group friends who are supposed to

be heading towards being a spiritual person.  I think you need to understand

what you are eating here. There is no remorse in the way an animal is killed

today. What you see in the supermarket are neat slices or cuts of whatever meat

you care to eat but do you stop to think of what kind of treatment may have been

meted out to the animals before they are neatly placed in front of you ? Don't

act like you people are ignorant of the truth. Enough said maybe you should

google and see the harsh reality..... ..

> Stop cruelty to animals. The first step to spirituality is not hurting others

and respecting animals ...treat them the way you will treat yourself..

>  Rashmi

>

>

>

>

>

> Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Go to

http://in..business./

>

>

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Bullocks killed and brahmins eating beef. Cool.

 

Just lil old me and crazy mind playing again.....

 

Eating bullock meat = eating beef (Olden Hindu practice)

Eating beef = eating cow meat (Western practice)

 

Hindus regard cow as a dwelling jeevan of all devas.

 

I've not come across anything about bullocks (except wrt Shiva).

 

So is eating bullock meat is as bad as eating cow meat for a Hindu (Current or

vedic period) (apart from killing of bullock/cow)?

 

Or is westerners eating cow meat worse than olden day Hindus eating bullock

meat?

 

Is cow beef = bullock beef wrt Hindu beliefs?

 

Look what you have done my dear Kochananda!!! Is this an answer or another

confusing question?

 

 

 

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

>

> thank you. Thats more authoritative than poor ol me :)

>

> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

>

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> Robert Partick <robertpartick

> Re: beef

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> Sunday, April 26, 2009, 11:00 PM

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Here is Swami Vivekananda' s thoughts on the same...as Sankarkji mentioned its

a question of choices and other traditions that evovled for practical

reasons....

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> Of late, there has been a great controversy over whether Brahmins ate beef in

the Vedic times. Let us listen to what Swami Vivekananda, one of the most

illustrious savants of India, has to say on the subject.

> His words would set at rest all sorts pf doubts and misgivings of people who

still believe that facts are sacred even though opinions might differ.

> Swami Vivekananda said: " You have always to remember that because a little

social custom is going to be changed, you are not going to lose your religion,

not at all. Remember these customs have already been changed. There was a time

in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin

; you read in the Vedas how, when a sanyasin, a king, or a great man came into a

house, the best bullock was killed, how in time it was found that as we were an

agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race.

Therefore, the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing

of cows...

> " I do not mean that you should stand up and revile all your old customs and

institutions. .. Revile none. Even those customs that are now appearing to be

positive evils have been positively life-giving in times past; and if we have to

remove these, we must not do so with curses, but with blessings and gratitude

for all glorious work these customs have done for the preservation of our

race... "

> (From Swami Vivekananda' s reply to the welcome address at Madurai in 1897,

published in Swamiji's Lecture from Colombo to Almora, brought out by the

Advaita Ashram in 1997)

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> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote:

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> sankara menon <kochu1tz >

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> All these are traditional views and personal likes and dislikes. Is it not?

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> Then how do u explain the cooking of beef in pit fires in Bharadwaja ashrama

when Rama was recieved on his way back from Lanka after victory over Rama?

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> May the wise explain?

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> Aravindan Viswanathan <the_thornbird_ 16 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

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> The *cow* is respected and worshipped as the manifestation of 'the mother

goddess' ,sri bhooma devi as sited in the srimad bhagavatam.

> even today in many temples, one can witness ,the 'go puja'[the holy cow

worship ] and the gaja puja[the temple elephant worship] :in the suprabhat seva,

the lord is first worshipped by these two respected souls first and then only

the devotees are let in for the darshan!

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> --- On Sun, 26/4/09, Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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> Ravi (New Zealand) Iyer <iyerlaw (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

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> It's quite easy to understand whether beef eating is ok or not, if one

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> understands what Lord Krishna told us through Bhagwat Gita.

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> There are 3 gunas/quality of human beings - Thamogun (rustic/inactive

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> nature ), Rajogun( hyper-active nature) and Satvagun (righteous nature) .

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> How the Gunas /qualities are formed? By the kind of food that we eat.

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> If one wants to tread the path of righteousness and spiritualism, one has to

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> avoid meat - be it beef or otherwise.

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> Regards

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> Ravi

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In vedas,especially in yajurveda,it says ma hinsee,don't kill,aja ma hinsee,not

kill the goats,ga ma hinsee not kill coe.so according to vedas killing is not

permitted at all.then comes about yaga and yaga pasu.adhwara is the synonimn of

yaga.yaska the great etymologist give the meaning of adwara like this;:Adwara

ithi yajna nama,dwarathi karma himsa,tad prathishedha  ithi adwara.adwara is

against himsa.then those who are intersted in eating meat changed the word

alabhana into alambana.alabhana means to tetch and make free ,alambana means to

kill.this thing is very clearly stating by charaka the greatest ayurvedic

exponder in vimanastana of charaka samhitha.he says that when in yagas sarted

killing of animals the new illness also appeard in the earth.From these thgings

it is very clear there is no meat eating in vedas or in ayurveda.acharya

m.r.rajesh

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Thank you Mr Rajesh....your msg is really needed here in this group!

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In vedas,especially in yajurveda,it says ma hinsee,don't kill,aja ma hinsee,not

kill the goats,ga ma hinsee not kill coe.so according to vedas killing is not

permitted at all.then comes about yaga and yaga pasu.adhwara is the synonimn of

yaga.yaska the great etymologist give the meaning of adwara like this;:Adwara

ithi yajna nama,dwarathi karma himsa,tad prathishedha  ithi adwara.adwara is

against himsa.then those who are intersted in eating meat changed the word

alabhana into alambana.alabhana means to tetch and make free ,alambana means to

kill.this thing is very clearly stating by charaka the greatest ayurvedic

exponder in vimanastana of charaka samhitha.he says that when in yagas sarted

killing of animals the new illness also appeard in the earth.From these thgings

it is very clear there is no meat eating in vedas or in ayurveda.acharya

m.r.rajesh

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