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Dear All Devi Bakhtas,

I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is

bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, in both

traditions the ultimate goal is to reach cosmic consiousness but in

the process do they reveal different aspects of the same consiouness

Also with reference to Nithyas in lalitha tradition it represent the

waxing and in kali wanning , the moon represent the female aspect and

sun the male aspect of consiouness also the individual consciouness

the female aspect and cosmic consciouness the male aspect,so i was

just wondering what the relationship between the different phases of

the moon,the individual , cosmic consiouness and the different

traditions .

 

Shri Tripurave Hreem

Kannan

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kali kula is that face of the triune maternal deity for a real reason.

when that reason is no longer, it represents the change of ages,

kali yuga into tretayuga or sattvayuga. how high will people reach?

 

kali is more enlightened than the buddha! as long as that aeon called

good aeon of shakyamuni by the tantrayaana buddhists -- the secret terma

keepers --

then there is a necessity for the divine feminine to " move rage " . we both

know

that such manifests as lightning, and earthquakes.

 

when she's done being angry, all becomes the bliss that has been spoken of

as variously

sadhana, shamatha (the bliss that persists when one has arisen from

meditation) or satori.

 

until that time she is drawing that energy, gentle bhakti. until that time

all the subconscious mind of the world is actually drawn that way.

for the age of quarrel to be ended the shaktty must be placated...that is

the role of bodhicitta,

that calmness abiding in the anahata centre that is the heart and the high

heart. creating peace

between man and woman is not so easy in our material world, which is

precisely why there are so many renunciants. but the real goal has always

been finding a way to " marry " the awakened heart to the material world. you

-- i wish you all the best on your path of attainment...it is said not to

become distracted by siddhis and let them become the whole of your practice,

because once you begin attaining you'll keep attaining.

 

even the prakyatebuddha is like an arahant in the world. that oft sought

after goal of immortality -- it is already attained by the subtle bodies and

the spirit soul. one would have to go very far not to become bored and seek

dissqlution.

 

this is why there are so many tales of 'demons' and so few people who are

THAT profoundly attained -- the concentration on attaining magic powers. but

once that begins, the rest of the road is still ahead of one...taoists

therefore have a saying that the value is not in the destination, but the

journey.

 

think on what I have said about ascended mastery and the third secret

vehicle of the buddhists with that in mind. why is it a secret vehicle,

tantrayana? are human feelings to blame, or human judgments? or even,

divine judgments?

 

 

 

On 8/27/07, ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

>

> Dear All Devi Bakhtas,

> I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is

> bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, in both

> traditions the ultimate goal is to reach cosmic consiousness but in

> the process do they reveal different aspects of the same consiouness

> Also with reference to Nithyas in lalitha tradition it represent the

> waxing and in kali wanning , the moon represent the female aspect and

> sun the male aspect of consiouness also the individual consciouness

> the female aspect and cosmic consciouness the male aspect,so i was

> just wondering what the relationship between the different phases of

> the moon,the individual , cosmic consiouness and the different

> traditions .

>

> Shri Tripurave Hreem

> Kannan

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Has to do mostly with varna. Lalita is young and Kali is old. You either

want to develope with some materialism or get the hell out. Though that will

never happen. But one can swiftly cut through. With Kali.

 

Whunk!

 

Try them both.

 

 

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" ckannannair " <ckannannair

 

Monday, August 27, 2007 12:53 PM

Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

 

> Dear All Devi Bakhtas,

> I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is

> bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger,

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Has to do mostly with varna and the natural innocence of the sudras

that is the meaning of DASARA

 

 

On 8/27/07, Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

>

> Has to do mostly with varna. Lalita is young and Kali is old. You either

>

> want to develope with some materialism or get the hell out. Though that

> will

> never happen. But one can swiftly cut through. With Kali.

>

> Whunk!

>

> Try them both.

>

> -

> " ckannannair " <ckannannair <ckannannair%40.co.in>>

> < <%40>>

> Monday, August 27, 2007 12:53 PM

> Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

>

> > Dear All Devi Bakhtas,

> > I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is

> > bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger,

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on

some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what

i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a

materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she

brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all

objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth.

Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever

youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent

the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not

mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is

swift and she cuts through your great ego

 

Shri Tripurave Hreem

Kannan

 

, " Kirk " <kirk_bernhardt

wrote:

>

> Has to do mostly with varna. Lalita is young and Kali is old. You

either

> want to develope with some materialism or get the hell out. Though

that will

> never happen. But one can swiftly cut through. With Kali.

>

> Whunk!

>

> Try them both.

>

>

> -

> " ckannannair " <ckannannair

>

> Monday, August 27, 2007 12:53 PM

> Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

>

>

> > Dear All Devi Bakhtas,

> > I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the

mood is

> > bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger,

>

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Namaskar

I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka,Mahashodasior

thripurasundari. Infact as far as upasana of any godess there is no question

of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the way we choose.

There are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One is samayachara and the

other one is vamachara. Vamachara route is dangerous which will reverse our

intentions. Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. Some of

Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as during intensive

practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will push our wavering mind

to worldly desires. But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see

her. There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus

feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or

complection.

 

ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on

some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what

i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a

materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she

brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all

objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth.

Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever

youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent

the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not

mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is

swift and she cuts through your great ego

 

Shri Tripurave Hreem

Kannan

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You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to

become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from

the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment.

 

 

-

" RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan

 

Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM

Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

 

> Namaskar

> I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya

> upasaka,Mahashodasior

> thripurasundari. Infact as far as upasana of any godess there is no

> question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the

> way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One

> is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route is

> dangerous which will reverse our intentions. Only samayachara marga will

> lead us to nearing God. Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately

> engulfed into vamachara as during intensive practices we will feel certain

> abnormalities which will push our wavering mind to worldly desires. But if

> we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her. There is no

> egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet. Mind

> concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or

> complection.

>

> ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

> Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on

> some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what

> i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a

> materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she

> brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all

> objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth.

> Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever

> youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent

> the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not

> mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is

> swift and she cuts through your great ego

>

> Shri Tripurave Hreem

> Kannan

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi,

I 100% agree with Kirk , The Lalitha Sahasra Nama stotram clearly

states that there are 2 paths to reach Her divine feet , the kaula

(Dakshina and Vama margas)and Samaya way.The path is determined by a

Sadhaka's temperament (A sadhaka to follow Vamacharya path should

have a heroic or vira attitude). Our minds have been conditioned in

due course of life to believe something is true whereas the purpose

of Tantra and Shakti worship is to go beyond this conditioning and

identify the true self.I dont believe in Superiority or inferiority

of one path over another for Infinity can be reached in Infinite ways

 

Shri Tripurave Hreem

Kannan

 

, " Kirk " <kirk_bernhardt

wrote:

>

> You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya

is to

> become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed

forth from

> the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability

to comment.

>

>

> -

> " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan

>

> Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM

> Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

>

>

> > Namaskar

> > I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya

> > upasaka,Mahashodasior

> > thripurasundari. Infact as far as upasana of any godess there

is no

> > question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends

upon the

> > way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are

using. One

> > is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route

is

> > dangerous which will reverse our intentions. Only samayachara

marga will

> > lead us to nearing God. Some of Srividyaupasakas are

unfortunately

> > engulfed into vamachara as during intensive practices we will

feel certain

> > abnormalities which will push our wavering mind to worldly

desires. But if

> > we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her. There

is no

> > egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet.

Mind

> > concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no

age or

> > complection.

> >

> > ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

> > Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on

> > some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka

what

> > i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a

> > materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all

she

> > brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all

> > objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate

truth.

> > Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as

ever

> > youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to

represent

> > the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does

not

> > mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out

Kali is

> > swift and she cuts through your great ego

> >

> > Shri Tripurave Hreem

> > Kannan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Kirk:

This is sadly a problem I see everywhere. We transliterate Sanskrit without

dicritical marks or without standard transliteration code and that causes all

sorts of wrong info to come into being.

it is NOT vama acharya but vaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaacaaaaaaaara.

vama is vomit vut vaaaaaama is left.

 

 

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You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to

become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from

the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment.

The other comments are in bold against specific statements below

-

" RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan

<

Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM

Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

Namaskar

I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka, Mahashodasi or

thripurasundari. In fact as far as upasana of any godess there is no question of

young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the way we choose. There

are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One is samayachara and the other

one is vamachara. Vamachara route is dangerous which will reverse our

intentions. => OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA IS THERE ANY PROOF? IF IT IS BAD WHY DO

DEVI SANCTION IT AS IN LS WHERE THE VAAK DEVIS SAY KAULAMAARGA TATPARA SEVITAA?

Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. => WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY

FOR THIS? THEN LS IS ALL BS? BECAUSE IT SAYS DEVI IS PLEASED WITH KAULA MARGA

ALSO?

Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as during

intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will push our

wavering mind to worldly desires. => SOOOOOO SAD!! WHO AND WHAT SAYS VAMAACHAARA

IS BAD? I WILL NOT SAY SAMAYA AND DAKSHINA IS BAD. SUCH STRONG STATEMENTS

WITHOUT AUTHORITY SEEM UNFORTUNATE.

But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her.=> OTHERWISE

NO???

There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet.

Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or

complection.

 

ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of the

points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have experienced is

she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane but also on a

spiritual plane and above all she

brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects are

merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. =. AND THAT SHE IS THE

UPAASAKA.

Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever youthful i

dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the various stages of

human life. Just beacause you are old does not mean you dont have desires, but

as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she cuts through your great ego

 

Shri Tripurave Hreem

Kannan

 

 

 

 

 

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It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak. So

give it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to

have been an early pun.

 

-

" sankara menon " <kochu1tz

 

Friday, August 31, 2007 12:19 PM

Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

 

> Dear Kirk:

> This is sadly a problem I see everywhere. We transliterate Sanskrit

> without dicritical marks or without standard transliteration code and that

> causes all sorts of wrong info to come into being.

> it is NOT vama acharya but vaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaacaaaaaaaara.

> vama is vomit vut vaaaaaama is left.

>

>

> Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

>

> You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to

> become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from

> the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to

> comment.

> The other comments are in bold against specific statements below

> -

> " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan

> <

> Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM

> Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

>

> Namaskar

> I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka,

> Mahashodasi or thripurasundari. In fact as far as upasana of any godess

> there is no question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends

> upon the way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are

> using. One is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route

> is dangerous which will reverse our intentions. => OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA

> IS THERE ANY PROOF? IF IT IS BAD WHY DO DEVI SANCTION IT AS IN LS WHERE

> THE VAAK DEVIS SAY KAULAMAARGA TATPARA SEVITAA?

> Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. => WHAT IS THE

> AUTHORITY FOR THIS? THEN LS IS ALL BS? BECAUSE IT SAYS DEVI IS PLEASED

> WITH KAULA MARGA ALSO?

> Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as

> during intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will

> push our wavering mind to worldly desires. => SOOOOOO SAD!! WHO AND WHAT

> SAYS VAMAACHAARA IS BAD? I WILL NOT SAY SAMAYA AND DAKSHINA IS BAD. SUCH

> STRONG STATEMENTS WITHOUT AUTHORITY SEEM UNFORTUNATE.

> But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her.=>

> OTHERWISE NO???

> There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus

> feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no

> age or complection.

>

> ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

> Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of

> the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have

> experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane

> but also on a spiritual plane and above all she

> brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects

> are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. =. AND THAT

> SHE IS THE UPAASAKA.

> Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever

> youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the

> various stages of human life. Just beacause you are old does not mean you

> dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she

> cuts through your great ego

>

> Shri Tripurave Hreem

> Kannan

>

>

>

>

>

> Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

> news, photos & more.

>

>

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No!! To call vaamaachaara as vamachara is not pun. It really makes a difference

to those who are seriously into it. For people who wants to make fun it is OK.

Maybe the person who said/wrote vaamaachaara as vamachara and translated into

vomit, there may have been an agenda.

 

I have come accross many such mispronunciations and misinterpretations that I

felt like doing vamana(puking).

 

It is true everything comes together as paraavaak. But how many have realised

that or experienced para?

 

Doing vamana of what one reads without an iota of experience or understanding

is not welcome - at least to serious saadhaks. (I am not referring to Kirk, this

is a general statement)

 

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak.

So

give it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to

have been an early pun.

 

-

" sankara menon " <kochu1tz

 

Friday, August 31, 2007 12:19 PM

Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

> Dear Kirk:

> This is sadly a problem I see everywhere. We transliterate Sanskrit

> without dicritical marks or without standard transliteration code and that

> causes all sorts of wrong info to come into being.

> it is NOT vama acharya but vaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaacaaaaaaaara.

> vama is vomit vut vaaaaaama is left.

>

>

> Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

>

> You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to

> become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from

> the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to

> comment.

> The other comments are in bold against specific statements below

> -

> " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan

> <

> Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM

> Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

>

> Namaskar

> I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka,

> Mahashodasi or thripurasundari. In fact as far as upasana of any godess

> there is no question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends

> upon the way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are

> using. One is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route

> is dangerous which will reverse our intentions. => OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA

> IS THERE ANY PROOF? IF IT IS BAD WHY DO DEVI SANCTION IT AS IN LS WHERE

> THE VAAK DEVIS SAY KAULAMAARGA TATPARA SEVITAA?

> Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. => WHAT IS THE

> AUTHORITY FOR THIS? THEN LS IS ALL BS? BECAUSE IT SAYS DEVI IS PLEASED

> WITH KAULA MARGA ALSO?

> Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as

> during intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will

> push our wavering mind to worldly desires. => SOOOOOO SAD!! WHO AND WHAT

> SAYS VAMAACHAARA IS BAD? I WILL NOT SAY SAMAYA AND DAKSHINA IS BAD. SUCH

> STRONG STATEMENTS WITHOUT AUTHORITY SEEM UNFORTUNATE.

> But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her.=>

> OTHERWISE NO???

> There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus

> feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no

> age or complection.

>

> ckannannair <ckannannair wrote:

> Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of

> the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have

> experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane

> but also on a spiritual plane and above all she

> brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects

> are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. =. AND THAT

> SHE IS THE UPAASAKA.

> Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever

> youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the

> various stages of human life. Just beacause you are old does not mean you

> dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she

> cuts through your great ego

>

> Shri Tripurave Hreem

> Kannan

>

>

>

>

>

> Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,

> news, photos & more.

>

>

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We are Para. How many people experience that? We are that. You are making an

egoic mess of tantra to inflate yourself. Being an expert at anything shows one

is not an expert at anything. Maybe you feel that you own tantra. I could care

less. As you people are scrying Saundarya Lahari I am participating in

Saundarya Japa Yajna of Kanchi swamis. Talk talk and be experts away.....

 

 

 

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" sankara menon " <kochu1tz

 

Friday, August 31, 2007 8:21 PM

Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

 

> No!! To call vaamaachaara as vamachara is not pun. It really makes a

difference to those who are seriously into it. For people who wants to make fun

it is OK. Maybe the person who said/wrote vaamaachaara as vamachara and

translated into vomit, there may have been an agenda.

>

I have come accross many such mispronunciations and misinterpretations that I

felt like doing vamana(puking).

>

It is true everything comes together as paraavaak. But how many have

realised that or experienced para?

>

Doing vamana of what one reads without an iota of experience or

understanding is not welcome - at least to serious saadhaks. (I am not referring

to Kirk, this is a general statement)

>

 

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

> It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak.

Sogive it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to

have been an early pun.

>

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May your japa help you. I am not great and I am the first one to admit it.

 

I said what I said because many people would have believed what you said. I

wanted people to be aware of the correct term that is all. I specifically said I

am not attacking you as an individual. But if you take it that way, its OK. Many

things can be said but as they say " Silence is golden " .

 

But i do feel sad when mantras are murdered by faulty pronunciation and usage

and misrepresenting meaning. Maybe you should ask the Acharya Jyendra Saraswati

whether it is vama or vaama.

 

I have been taught that mantras and vedas are shabda pradhaana. Maybe for some

people anything goes and people sit quiet out of curtsy and it is mistaken for

acceptance.

 

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

 

We are Para. How many people experience that? We are that. You are

making an egoic mess of tantra to inflate yourself. Being an expert at anything

shows one is not an expert at anything. Maybe you feel that you own tantra. I

could care less. As you people are scrying Saundarya Lahari I am participating

in Saundarya Japa Yajna of Kanchi swamis. Talk talk and be experts away.....

 

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Friday, August 31, 2007 8:21 PM

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> No!! To call vaamaachaara as vamachara is not pun. It really makes a

difference to those who are seriously into it. For people who wants to make fun

it is OK. Maybe the person who said/wrote vaamaachaara as vamachara and

translated into vomit, there may have been an agenda.

>

I have come accross many such mispronunciations and misinterpretations that I

felt like doing vamana(puking).

>

It is true everything comes together as paraavaak. But how many have

realised that or experienced para?

>

Doing vamana of what one reads without an iota of experience or

understanding is not welcome - at least to serious saadhaks. (I am not referring

to Kirk, this is a general statement)

>

 

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

> It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak. Sogive

it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to have been

an early pun.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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whoever said there is ON:LY one meaning?

Maybe siddhashram people make it vomit?

 

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

So the word 'left' has only one meaning?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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No idea what that means. But left often means what remains behind as in left

overs.

Moderator's note:

Left in ENGLISH means that. Left in Sanskrit does not mean leftovers for there

is no such usage there. The word for leftovers is UciciShTha.

Anyway here we were not talking of Uchishta. We were speaking of a specific

usage " vaamaacaaraa " which was wrongly written in English as " vamacharya " and a

connection to vomit was made. I just said that sich a connection does not exist.

Simple. If we are to discuss various sanskrit words we would need Apte's

dictionary as well as Monier williams dictionary.

By the way the SL japa is NOT being conducted by Kanchi Acharyas but by kaama

koTi maNDali which is supported by a good friend of mine. Being associated with

Kanchi acharyas ( I do not know how close a westerner can now approach the

Acharyas, till a few years ago it was 100ft) does not lead to infalliblity. I

have been associated with the mutt from the 60s. So maybe I have seniority and

hence greater infalliblity *smile*(I do not claim this but I am extending the

logic of kirk.

Maybe kirk should ask his Acharyas what kirk means in Tamil???

Anyway this topic has become so ludicrous I am stopping it.

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Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:41 AM

Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions

 

 

> whoever said there is ON:LY one meaning?

> Maybe siddhashram people make it vomit?

>

> Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

> So the word 'left' has only one meaning?

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Namaskar,

My single word of vamachara have erupted certain criticism without

understandingthe what I mean. Vaamaachaara marga is is termed as dangerous and

termed as blak-magic by Sadguru SantKeshavadas and other scholars which

reflected in my reply. But it is misunderstood. I believe in Mahashodasi andher

upasana is giving metranquility and mental peace. I wanted to share all those

things and clear doubts onthe practice of Navavarana poojas where some

difference of opinions among stalwarts still going on.

PRANAAM.

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote:

You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to

become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from

the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment.

 

 

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Namaskaram,

I am greatful to you for your comments on vamachara. In fact in our places

viz. Chennai and some other places the english translation is like that.

Certain northern places also they quoted as I had. But as we know sanskrit this

was not noted as a mistake. But mr.krk has termed me that I misunderstood the

meanings wrongly. But this is not. I want toknow from Sankraraman about the

poojakrama of mahameru . In many of the literatures, the method of pooja has

been shown as anti clockwise which is actually termed as vaama maarga and

Majority of gurus and matathipathies says theatthe pooja should be done in

clockewise only which is the safest way to do. I had clarified the same with

Sringeri Acharya and Srmad Namanandagiri Swamigal and advised me that there so

many contradictions on this matter and you can perform poojas as per Your mind

suggests. Afterwords I am performing Navavarana pooja-s on mahameru clockwise

only.Why this confusion to vedic stalwartson this subject?

I hope you have some answer for that. PRANAM.

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, RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI

<srksrkrishnan wrote:

>

> Namaskaram,

> I am greatful to you for your comments on vamachara. In fact in

our places viz. Chennai and some other places the english

translation is like that. Certain northern places also they quoted

as I had. But as we know sanskrit this was not noted as a mistake.

But mr.krk has termed me that I misunderstood the meanings wrongly.

But this is not. I want toknow from Sankraraman about the

poojakrama of mahameru . In many of the literatures, the method of

pooja has been shown as anti clockwise which is actually termed as

vaama maarga and Majority of gurus and matathipathies says theatthe

pooja should be done in clockewise only which is the safest way to

do. I had clarified the same with Sringeri Acharya and Srmad

Namanandagiri Swamigal and advised me that there so many

contradictions on this matter and you can perform poojas as per Your

mind suggests. Afterwords I am performing Navavarana pooja-s on

mahameru clockwise only.Why this confusion to vedic stalwartson this

subject?

> I hope you have some answer for that. PRANAM.

>Namaste,

In matters of dispute let us rely on original texts.

Gandharvatantrom Patala 17, verse2 and 3 runs like this,

" Mohanam kshobhanam chakram dakshavarthakramat yajed

Vamaavarthakramenaiva seshachakrani pujayet " .

The trailokya mohana, sarvasamksohana chakras are to be worshipped

clockwise and the others anticlockwise. Note that in the case of the

latter one first the east, south,west,north ones petals and then

southeast, southwest,northwest,north east petals are worshipped in

the clockwise order.

The nityas are worshipped from Kameswari to Chitra in the

anticlockwise order.Parasuramkalpasutra, citing the respective

mantras from Kameswari to Chitra ordains,

" iti pancadasanityaah pradhamatryasarekhastita panchadasaswareshu

puujyaah "

The 15 nitayaas are to be worshipped on places where the 15 vowels

are.The vowels are placed anticlockwise.So to those following

Kalpasutra the places are fixed.But some other tantras like the

Tantraraja dictates to worship from the tithinitya corresponding to

the day of puja.Kameswari to Chitra during Suklapaksha and during

krishnapaksha the reverse.

Hope this is enough.

May SHE guide us in her worship, for she is the vidya and she is the

GURU in human form.

Namste

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