meru

June 16, 2009

Dear all

Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only to

various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc.

This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for

pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the

pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra

of these devatas?

Is it because any " goddess " can be invoked in the meru? If so , then , at the

bindu , is that particular sakthi to be visualised /to be prayed to or will the

bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI?

Kindly request clarification.

srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha

srI harI

Gopi

June 16, 2009

Dear all,

Meru consists all the energies of devathas, however big or small it may be.

Even in shirdi sai sannidhis, I am installing Maha Meru. However it would be apt

that the Meru is given proper pujas such as nava avarana puja etc.

Meru has one speciality that it can be worshipped as Siva or sakthi because it

is energy personified. it conforms to the 96 tatwas of the human body and

therefore it helps one to have soul to soul contact. Even the Guru mandalam is

there within and without.

yantras indicate the energy of the particular devatha whereas Maha Meru

consists all the 33 crore of devathas, dieties, the gurus nay the entire

universal being GOD.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

antarurjas

Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:20 -0700

meru

Dear all

Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only to

various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc.

This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for

pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the

pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra

of these devatas?

Is it

June 17, 2009

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>

> Is it because any " goddess " can be invoked in the meru? If so , then , at the

bindu , is that particular sakthi to be visualised /to be prayed to or will the

bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI?

> ?

> Kindly request clarification.

> ?

> srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha

> ?

> srI harI

> Gopi

>

June 17, 2009

Dear sankaranarayanan-ji,

Namaste. My age is almost half of yours so with due respect to your age can i

ask you one question?

What is the relation between Saibaba and Meru and why such pratishtas are being

done.

Kindly note that i am not demeaning Saibaba here but every yantra has got its

importance and is associated with Adhishtatra devata.

It cannot be argued that Saibaba is sarva-devata-swarupa or lalitha-swarupa and

hence Baba can be worshipped amidst Bindu sthana at Meru.

My advice to you as your grandson is to construct a Tripurasundari temple in

Saibaba Temple Complex and arrange for Meru Pratishta. There is absolute no

issue over it.

Thanks and regards,

sriram

, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Meru consists all the energies of devathas, however big or small it may be.

Even in shirdi sai sannidhis, I am installing Maha Meru. However it would be apt

that the Meru is given proper pujas such as nava avarana puja etc.

>

> Meru has one speciality that it can be worshipped as Siva or sakthi because it

is energy personified. it conforms to the 96 tatwas of the human body and

therefore it helps one to have soul to soul contact. Even the Guru mandalam is

there within and without.

>

> yantras indicate the energy of the particular devatha whereas Maha Meru

consists all the 33 crore of devathas, dieties, the gurus nay the entire

universal being GOD.

>

> Regards,

>

> S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

>

> antarurjas

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:20 -0700

> meru

>

> Dear all

>

> Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only

to various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc.

>

> This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for

pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the

pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra

of these devatas?

>

> Is it

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Gopi,

The Maha Meru contains all the divine energies. The seven stages of splendour

are there and they are integrated and inter-related with each other. When one is

at the top, he has the impression of the bottom also, and one is at the bottom

he visualises the top also.The bindu represent the mergence with the divine

energy above Thuriyateetham. Here visualisation has no meaning and it is only

the experience of one ness with the divine energy. Like Rishyasringa brings rain

wherever he goes, the devi upasaka transmits the divine energy to everything he

comes across unmindful of the distance. My master used to say that even if a

saint of the highest caliber goes through a street of postitutes, he transmits

the divine energy to them without his own knowledge and the prostitutes are

elevated and helped to merge with the divine energy.

In the Bindu, there is only mergence and no difference between the sadaka, guru

and the devi. Triputi is firmly established there.

May everyone get this.

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

kn_vasan2005

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:19:50 +0000

Re: meru

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

rayed to or will the bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI?

> ?

> Kindly request clarification.

> ?

> srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha

> ?

> srI harI

> Gopi

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Divine Brother,

Thanks.

I am totally surprised that your views are not universal but confined to " self " .

Did you have interaction and integration with Sai baba or any other great saint.

How do one say that he is not this and he is not that.

All great saints, from whichever religion or sphere they come, possess the

divine energy. Therefore installing Maha Meru anywhere cannot be questioned by

any one as it is wish and desire of the devotee concerned. Maha Meru is an

instrument, if I can call so, to integrate the idol into the ideal behind the

idol. When name and form merges, there remains only the divine energy.

When laila and majnu met, they merged into each other, and only the begging bowl

remained as a witness, unaware that the holder of the bowl merged.

Why should I build a temple for Raja Rajeswari when one can transmit the divine

energy to any one beyond name and form. A temple need or need not be there to do

spiritual and divine work. If I can say so Idols have no heart to reciprocate

and that is why great saints found the yantras, mantras and formless divine

energy and attained mergence between the devotee, devoted and the worship.

Perhaps you are not aware as to what I am doing beyond all these abstract

worship to which I am totally attached. I am servicing with my products and

services in the construction of new temples, reconstruction of old dilapidated

temples and I provide the very best, true, honest, absolutely pure products done

with heart and soul and divine energised, with a view to bring harmony, goodluck

and prosperity to every one everywhere. I do not have funds for this purpose but

some devotees help these causes and I am only an instrument.

Remember that when an idol is installed, I use my means and methods to energise

the same to vibrate divine energy around and help the devotee get a good guru to

merge with HIM.Here eventhough the idol cannot reciprocate by means of a

dialogue, the devotees devotion, earnestness and dedication takes him to a true

guru who is an adept and who has already merged with the Ultimate absolute

energy.

Please do not mistake me for all the above, as I am no body and I have no

feelings whatsoever against any one. As per my Masters orders my duty is to

transmit divine energy and that is all.

Regards and seeking your blessings, eventhough you are my grandson, because you

are a spiritual epitome.

S.SHANGARNAARAYANAN

sriram_sapthasathi

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:50:33 +0000

Re: meru

Dear sankaranarayanan-ji,

Namaste. My age is almost half of yours so with due respect to your age can i

ask you one question?

What is the relation between Saibaba and Meru and why such pratishtas are being

done.

Kindly note that i am not demeaning Saibaba here but every yantra has got its

importance and is associated with Adhishtatra devata.

It cannot be argued that Saibaba is sarva-devata-swarupa or lalitha-swarupa and

hence Baba can be worshipped amidst Bindu sthana at Meru.

My advice to you as your grandson is to construct a Tripurasundari temple in

Saibaba Temple Complex and arrange for Meru Pratishta. There is absolute no

issue over it.

Thanks and regards,

sriram

, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Meru consists all the energies of devathas, however big or small it may be.

Even in shirdi sai sannidhis, I am installing Maha Meru. However it would be apt

that the Meru is given proper pujas such as nava avarana puja etc.

>

> Meru has one speciality that it can be worshipped as Siva or sakthi because it

is energy personified. it conforms to the 96 tatwas of the human body and

therefore it helps one to have soul to soul contact. Even the Guru mandalam is

there within and without.

>

> yantras indicate the energy of the particular devatha whereas Maha Meru

consists all the 33 crore of devathas, dieties, the gurus nay the entire

universal being GOD.

>

> Regards,

>

> S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

>

> antarurjas

> Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:20 -0700

> meru

>

> Dear all

>

> Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only

to various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc.

>

> This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for

pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the

pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra

of these devatas?

>

> Is it

>

June 17, 2009

Sri Gurubhyon Namaha

?????????????????????????????????? Dear Shangarnarayan Garu

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I

totally agree with you on the philosophical point, but why only meru, why not

any other yantra as in the end everything is the same one brahman. One cannot

transgress the laws of shrutis and smrithis basically saying everything is one,

a person who has acheived this state needs not temples nor anything, he is

himself god, but we are mortals and people who are trying our part to see

brahman in everything, but mind it we have the duality in us that is why we keep

going to temples and seeing great people. If i were to put Kali's idol on top of

vishnu instead of shiva saying that there is no difference between shiva and

vishnu, am i not making a mistake. It would be like a person saying that all

festivals are reasons to celebrate and i will celebrate diwali during the period

of sankranthi. Everything has its

place and a form i cannot place a srichakra infront of vishnu and pray that he

is in the bindu sthana, it is for the maharagni and maha kameshwara only, else

there would not have been so many yantras to talk about and worship.

Sri Kamakshi

Raghavender

________________________________

S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai

Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:18:19 AM

RE: Re: meru

Dear Divine Brother,

Thanks.

I am totally surprised that your views are not universal but confined to " self " .

Did you have interaction and integration with Sai baba or any other great saint.

How do one say that he is not this and he is not that.

All great saints, from whichever religion or sphere they come, possess the

divine energy. Therefore installing Maha Meru anywhere cannot be questioned by

any one as it is wish and desire of the devotee concerned. Maha Meru is an

instrument, if I can call so, to integrate the idol into the ideal behind the

idol. When name and form merges, there remains only the divine energy.

When laila and majnu met, they merged into each other, and only the begging bowl

remained as a witness, unaware that the holder of the bowl merged.

June 17, 2009

There could not be any doubt about the placement of Shri Kameshwara Kameswari

in bindhu sthanam as regards to Sri Chakra or Meru. If you invoked any devadha

either in Srichakra or Meru there position will be in any place other than the

Bhindhu sthanam. Since the Srichakra or Meru is wholly meant for Shri Kameswara

Kameshwari the prime place of Bindhu is wholly meant for Shri Kameswara

Kameshwari only.

, " N.SRINIVASAN " <kn_vasan2005 wrote:

>

> , Gopi <antarurjas@> wrote:

> >

> > Is it because any " goddess " can be invoked in the meru? If so , then , at

the bindu , is that particular sakthi to be visualised /to be prayed to or will

the bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI?

> > ?

> > Kindly request clarification.

> > ?

> > srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha

> > ?

> > srI harI

> > Gopi

> >

June 19, 2009

Dear Sangaranayananji

Thanks for your mail. Thanks to this forum where we can see people with

different levels of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names

attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to any particular form of

worship and others who say dont even go anywhere near the maHameru to pray if

you dont have the required initiation. Such diversity in views itself is a very

good learning. Probably people, like me, who do not understand the level of

evolvement that you are in, will probably keep asking you the " procedure " and

" bookish " questions on meru etc. So pl excuse my ignorance.

Sir, given that the guru in whose sannidhi you have done the prathisTA has the

divine energy, why do a yanthra of any other God/ Goddess? why not a yanthra of

him? May be there is a reason as to why saints, dont have yanthras of their own.

yanthras seem to be restricted to " gods and goddesses " !

And if the need for the yanthraprathishta has to be there at all , why the rAjA

of them all?

Saints are channels of divine energy,are Gurus.but I am not able to visuliase

them being invoked in the meru.that may be is my inability.

May be SHE allows us to be prayed in any possible way and so we are allowed to

do these. Devotees like me, who are still stuck to form, on entering the temple

of Sairam with a Meru,will be so attracted to HER and start saying the kadgamala

and not get connected to the energy of the saint. Well may be ultimately it is

all the same to you, but then where I stand today, it only adds to the

confusion.

Request advise pl.

srI harI

Gopi

June 19, 2009

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>Thanks to this forum where we can see people with different levels >of sAdhanA

balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names >attached to the mahAmeru and

hence doesnt restrict it to any >particular form of worship and others who say

dont even go anywhere >near the maHameru to pray if you dont have the required

initiation. >Such diversity in views itself is a very good learning.

First of all, you should understand that the moment you see someone utter words

like " going beyond name and forms " " transmit divine energy " , it does not mean

they are evolved sadhakas. They are probably in a state of utter confusion and

even delusion.

> Sir, given that the guru in whose sannidhi you have done the >prathisTA has

the divine energy, why do a yanthra of any other God/ >Goddess? why not a

yanthra of him? May be there is a reason as to >why saints, dont have yanthras

of their own. yanthras seem to be >restricted to " gods and goddesses " !

How can humans have yantras? yantra is geometrical representation of the mantra

or devata. If there is no mantra for something there will not be a yantra.

> And if the need for the yanthraprathishta has to be there at all , >why the

rAjA of them all?

Because that brings more money and since people are crazy about shrIvidya!

> Saints are channels of divine energy,are Gurus.but I am not able to >visuliase

them being invoked in the meru.that may be is my >inability.

I will tell one thing. Please don't listen to each and everybody you come

across. I can assure you that this will put your mind into confusion. Avoid

talking about vague, undefined things like " divine energy " , " transmit divine

energy " , " divine vibrations " and such new age non-sense. The gentle man who is

responsible for confusing you himself does not have a clue as to what exactly

these mean!

When somebody says these things, ask for a shAstra pramANa. If they cant give

any - ignore them.

> May be SHE allows us to be prayed in any possible way and so we are >allowed

to do these.

Allowed to do what? I lost you on this one. Could you please explain?

> Devotees like me, who are still stuck to form, >on entering >the temple of

Sairam with a Meru,will be so attracted to >HER and >start saying the kadgamala

and not get connected to the >energy of >the saint.

Connect to the energy of the saint? What does that even mean? Can you explain?

What do you get by connecting to the " energy of the saint " ?

This is just sad...

Why not just focus on your khaDgamAlA or lalitA sahasranAma or your mantra japa?

Where is the need to " connect to saint's energy " - if you know what that means?

> Well may be ultimately it is all the same to >you, but then where I >stand

today, it only adds to the confusion.

I think you are doing perfectly well--till you started listening to the

gentleman who " transmits divine energy " every now and then.

Sriram already asked the gentleman for pramANa-s and none came. So please ignore

this " divine energy transmitter's " responses. He is a fake teacher, I can tell

for sure.

Gopi: The following is not meant not to mock you but it is for the other gentle

man who is confusing people with this new age blabber.

" Beep Beep.. STARTING Xfer ..Divine Energy to Meru..0% complete "

" Beep Beep.. Transferring ..Divine Energy to Meru..10% complete "

" Beep Beep.. Transferring ..Divine Energy to Meru..80% Complete "

" Beep Beep.. Transferring ..Divine Energy to Meru..100% Complete "

" Your Meru is ready .. Beeeeep. "

" Initiating...search for Divine Vibrations.... "

" Sorry.. None found! "

Best of Luck,

MM.

June 19, 2009

Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita:

tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthitau ||

jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi ||

For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the

pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not.

The parasurama kalpa sutra says:

sampradAyavishvAsAbhyAM sarvasiddhiH

Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives

the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY

possible through sat-sampradAya and hence

sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the

sAdhana.

Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the

name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man.

Let us tread the path shown to us by the illustrious acharyas of Sringeri,

Kanchi Mahaswamigal, Sir Chidanandanatha, Shri Bhaskararaya and other mahatmas

of srividya. Let us Not take the sastras in our own hands and twist it as per

our

own convenience.

Couple of months back when i spoke to Parama Pujya Shri BJ Ganesh Prasad-ji who

is the direct disciple of Brahmasri KP Sankara Sastrigal, he literally was in

sobs with the current trend of srividya and its commercialisation.

Just my 2 cents.

ajnAnAm jAhnavi tIrtham vidyAtirtham vivEkinAm

sarvEShAm sukhadam tIrtham bhAratI tIrtham AshrayE //

With regards,

sriram

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>

> Dear Sangaranayananji

>

> Thanks for your mail. Thanks to this forum where we can see people with

different levels of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names

attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to any particular form of

worship and others who say dont even go anywhere near the maHameru to pray if

you dont have the required initiation. Such diversity in views itself is a very

good learning. Probably people, like me, who do not understand the level of

evolvement that you are in, will probably keep asking you the " procedure " and

" bookish " questions on meru etc. So pl excuse my ignorance.

>

> Sir, given that the guru in whose sannidhi you have done the prathisTA has the

divine energy, why do a yanthra of any other God/ Goddess? why not a yanthra of

him? May be there is a reason as to why saints, dont have yanthras of their own.

yanthras seem to be restricted to " gods and goddesses " !

>

> And if the need for the yanthraprathishta has to be there at all , why the

rAjA of them all?

>

> Saints are channels of divine energy,are Gurus.but I am not able to visuliase

them being invoked in the meru.that may be is my inability.

>

> May be SHE allows us to be prayed in any possible way and so we are allowed to

do these. Devotees like me, who are still stuck to form, on entering the temple

of Sairam with a Meru,will be so attracted to HER and start saying the kadgamala

and not get connected to the energy of the saint. Well may be ultimately it is

all the same to you, but then where I stand today, it only adds to the

confusion.

>

> Request advise pl.

>

> srI harI

> Gopi

>

June 19, 2009

Dear Gopi,

Why should there be any confusion. Without the Guru none can reach HER. For

instance in a super specialty hospital several doctors attend on a patient, with

the same goal of curing the patient and restoring good health. Whatever

knowledge the doctor has say in the field of nephralogi, cardialogy, oncology

etc., diagnoise the patient and recommend the treatment. Similarly every saint

according to his level of attainment help each and every devotee of any God or

Goddesses. The devotee is benefitted.

Did not Kuchela took beaten rice to krishna who bestowed upon him all the

purusharthas.

Maha Meru denotes that everything is divine energy and one has to go beyond

form. But the name and form are always there until everything is dissolved in

maha pralaya.

Great Saints are there who may have different wavelength of divine energy and

they do not distinguish between a devotee of amba or siva or vishnu. it is only

our approach.

What wrong you see in maha meru being installed in any temple, other than devi.

I do not claim to be a super human being and I only say that my Guru has

bestowed upon me a condition which helps me to see everything as one. Even in

Srividhya worship, after prana pratishta is done, all differences vanish and

everything becomes " Brahmamayam " " tejomayam " 'Vidhyamayam " etc. Even Yama

becomes one with Divine Mother , he forgets his job and to my knowledge there

has been no death in a family when nava avarana poua is being done.

Further any divine energy can only be experienced and one has to earn it,

practice it and get it from an adept guru. The Guru himself should have

transgressed such a state of being and becoming and have the means and methods

to transmit.

Don't you know there is " Garbha raksha nyasam " for energising temple land and

the main idols, and this procedure is common to all the temples whether vishnu,

siva, ganapathy, sai baba etc. Did not abhimanyu learnt from lord Krishna when

he was in his mother's woumb?

To be frank when one looks to the ultimate for help, he gets the help.

Devotation, Dedication and determination are vital to achieve the gold. Only the

adept Guru can help and none else.

Please do not think that I know everything, and I do not know anything.

it is not necessary to ahve any other form of worship than Maha Meru, but the

taste of the people is different. Loko binnaruchihi. Why should you see any

contradiction and why you want to say that the yantra pertaining to that idol

should only be installed, when everything is dine energy and beyond idol and

ideal.

how do you say there are no yantras for the Guru. Sarvagna Peeta yantra is there

and several others too. You can ask going on asking questions and there is no

end to it. Doubting Thomases can never be convinced.

There is guru mandala puja in the Meru during the Nava avarana pooja. Don " t you

know it. There is nothing absolutely wrong in worshipping a form, because a

person can claim to ahve reached a state of worshipping formless (divine energy)

when he becomes an expert in worshipping a form and ultimately knowing that it

leads to formless worship. It is absurd if one without worshipping in form

claims that he has left form worship, because that cannot be true. An expert in

any field finds an application correct or not only because of experience. May

Divine Mother shower you with all such oneness with the divine.

You can chant anything in the temple. You are perhaps aware that the 64

upacharas are done even to Venkatachalapathy as is done to Raja Rajeswari,

because they are one and the same, eventhough forms may differ. Can you say that

the soul resident in animal, man, trees etc., are different from each other.

Even if you chant kadgamala, which is nothing but the aavarana explanation,

before any idol, you certainly get the benefit.

i do not sant to prolong this and treat this matter closed with this response.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

antarurjas

Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:01:04 -0700

Re: Re: meru

Dear Sangaranayananji

Thanks for your mail. Thanks to this forum where we can see people with

different levels of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names

attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to meru etc. So pl excuse

my

June 20, 2009

I dont know why we are obsessing about Srividya and meru etc.. Srividya is one

way of getting Ambaal's grace, not the only way.

There are other much easier ways, make take a bit more time, following one's

svadharama and being devoted to Ambaal by prayers etc...

We should be very clear as to what is driving us to Srividyia, is it bhakthi or

ego or fad?

regards

Vishwam

________________________________

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:15:01 AM

Re: meru

Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita:

tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthi tau ||

jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi ||

For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the

pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not.

The parasurama kalpa sutra says:

sampradAyavishvAsAb hyAM sarvasiddhiH

Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives

the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY

possible through sat-sampradAya and hence

sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the

sAdhana.

Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the

name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man.

June 20, 2009

Dear Sriramji,

Thanks.

All the sampradayas are for people who are not interested in reality.

When a upasaka reaches the helm of his sadhana, all rituals are lost for ever

and he dwells in a state which is beyond even nirvikalpa samadhi. One has got to

keep his goal before him, otherwise it is not reached at any time.

What is wrong in wishing everyone to get reality and merge with the Divine.

Srividhya is certainly not for a few people only. Of course the present

situation is that many use this only to make money. But at the end they get

their punishment. Let us pray that Divine Mother bestow upon such people good

sense.

For your information Maha Periaval himself asked me to bring out all the sacred

aspects of Srividhya when i was 27 years old, eventhough I did not known even an

alphabet of sanskrit. He bestowed the capacity and perhaps that makes me bring

out some of the publications for use by devotees for their own welfare and that

of the universe.

Possessiveness of the divine energy without offering or transmitting them to

others makes one " power gross " and after death that soul becomes a

brahmarakshas.

Only blaming every one is not going to produce any result. The so called great

people should be asked as to what they had done for the universe. They are power

gross and want to possess everything in the guise of protecting srividhya. This

is absurd and cannot be accepted.

God is simple and the way to reach him should also be simple. By making one

believe that srividhya is only for a chosen few, cannot and shall not be

acceptable.Why not the great saints and guru parampara make the means and

methods very simple, through their own experience of God hood, if they had

really achieved the same. They are not interested and feel that " self

realisation " means one's one own realisation and not the realisation of the

society in all respects of mental, moral, spiritual, financial, material

progress and what not.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

sriram_sapthasathi

Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:15:01 +0000

Re: meru

Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita:

tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthitau ||

jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi ||

For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the

pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not.

The parasurama kalpa sutra says:

sampradAyavishvAsAbhyAM sarvasiddhiH

Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives

the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY

possible through sat-sampradAya and hence

sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the

sAdhana.

Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the

name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man.

June 20, 2009

Dear vishwam,

It is madness and nothing else. That is what Shri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

told me. People cannot climb a single ladder but would like to climb entire

staircase and reach the summit.

In our colony, purna dikshas, padukantha dikshas, keeping crystal merus and

sriyantras have become fashion. There is no proper achara, leave alone nitya

karmas. There is a big false notion among the people that sriyantras big good

luck, drive away vastu doshas and software engineers get visas to US.

The lengthier the mantra with more tongue twisting bijas , the more powerful and

quicker results......

with regs,

sriram

, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy

wrote:

>

> I dont know why we are obsessing about Srividya and meru etc.. Srividya is one

way of getting Ambaal's grace, not the only way.

> There are other much easier ways, make take a bit more time, following one's

svadharama and being devoted to Ambaal by prayers etc...

>

> We should be very clear as to what is driving us to Srividyia, is it bhakthi

or ego or fad?

>

> regards

> Vishwam

>

> ________________________________

> sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

>

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:15:01 AM

> Re: meru

>

> Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita:

>

> tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthi tau ||

> jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi ||

>

> For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the

pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not.

>

> The parasurama kalpa sutra says:

>

> sampradAyavishvAsAb hyAM sarvasiddhiH

>

> Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives

the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY

possible through sat-sampradAya and hence

> sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called

the sAdhana.

>

> Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the

name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man.

>

June 20, 2009

shrI lalitAparameshvarI tiruvaDigaLe sharaNaM (For those who remember this - a

smiley :-) )

, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote:

> All the sampradayas are for people who are not interested in >reality.

How do you know that? You secretly crept into the minds of people interested in

sAmpradAya and used your advanced divine energy transmission techniques to scan

the minds, to know this?

> When a upasaka reaches the helm of his sadhana, all rituals are >lost for ever

and he dwells in a state which is beyond even >nirvikalpa samadhi. One has got

to keep his goal before him, >otherwise it is not reached at any time.

Well said Sir. No disagreement here.

>

> What is wrong in wishing everyone to get reality and merge with the >Divine.

Because everybody is in their own level and are stationed at different points

on the road leading to that goal. You don't have to wish this for someone. By

wishing this for someone and indiscriminately giving shrIvidya mantras you bring

them more harm than good.

>Srividhya is certainly not for a few people only. Of course >the >present

situation is that many use this only to make money. But >at >the end they get

their punishment. Let us pray that Divine Mother >bestow upon such people good

sense.

Indeed shrIvidya is only for a few people. The shAstras are clear on this. Also

remember that shrIvidya is not the only way to mokSha. Examining your posts for

sometime show that your mind is locked into thinking that people get

self-realization or reality( to use your terms) only through shrIvidya. Do

correct me if I misunderstood you.

> Possessiveness of the divine energy without offering or >transmitting them to

others makes one " power gross " and after death >that soul becomes a

brahmarakshas.

What is the source for this statement? Fine, we understand that many valid

things exist outside shAstra or tantra. So if you cant quote any tantra maybe

you can explain why they become brahmarAkShasa.

For example: If I say, No they dont become brahmarAkShasa but they actually

become a brahma bhUta, how are you going to disprove me?

Do you now see the reason for me asking this question?

Please don't come up with utterly baseless pronouncements like this.

>They are power gross and want to possess everything in the guise of >protecting

srividhya. This is absurd and cannot be accepted.

Power Gross?

I sometimes wonder if you have any comprehension of what you type here.

> God is simple and the way to reach him should also be simple. By >making one

believe that srividhya is only for a chosen few, cannot >and shall not be

acceptable.

First, there is no God. There is only brahman or Ishvara. God is simple? I say

God is actually complex - come and please disprove me.

In other words, please explain why God is simple.

No one is interested in making people believe that shrIvidya is only for a

chosen few. The related shAstras say this and there are ample examples of

unprepared people getting mantras like pa~nchadashi and suffering because of

that. These are the reasons for saying this

> They are not interested and feel that " self realisation " means >one's one own

realisation and not the realisation of the society in >all respects of mental,

moral, spiritual, financial, material >progress and what not.

That is why it is called self-realization and not society-realization,

mental,moral, or financial realizations.

There is way too much confusion displayed in the above statement. One has to

write an article for this.

bAlAparameshvaryai namaH

aDiyen,

MM

June 20, 2009

, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote:

> For your information Maha Periaval himself asked me to bring out >all the

sacred aspects of Srividhya when i was 27 years old, >eventhough I did not known

even an alphabet of sanskrit. He bestowed >the capacity and perhaps that makes

me bring out some of the >publications for use by devotees for their own welfare

and that of >the universe.

I have been watching this thread. There is no doubt you are doing all of us a

great service by publishing many works on devI and shiva.

We will all be definitely thankful for that. i am sure this will be the case

even with people who did not agree with you on some points in this thread.

That said, I think there is a problem with some of your terminology. Most people

cant understand some of your words and what you mean by them which is reflected

in the various responses to your posts. It is better to use as ravi suggested

standard sanskrit words

I will be meeting you soon to replenish my bhasma stocks

By the way how is the publication on vanadurga going on? Let us focus more on

that if youa renot too busy with other things.

> Only blaming every one is not going to produce any result. The so >called

great people should be asked as to what they had done for the >universe. They

are power gross and want to possess everything in the >guise of protecting

srividhya. This is absurd and cannot be accepted.

I did not understand anything in the above passage.

> God is simple and the way to reach him should also be simple. By >making one

believe that srividhya is only for a chosen few, cannot >and shall not be

acceptable.

It will be better as others has pointed out to stop using the word God. There

isnt a God in our traditions.

June 21, 2009

Dear Shri Sankaranarayan,

With due respect to your age and learning,

With what little knowledge I have of ShriVidya thanks to this group and my

reading, it is very clear that an highly sophisticated and intricate means of

worship/sadhana like ShriVidya is not meant and was never meant for the masses.

Infact the entire subject of Mantra Shastra, Kundalini Yoga etc. were only for a

very few people, capable of handling these. Therefore it is best to keep these

Shastras / Vidyas in the way they were suppossed to be instead of attempting to

make them accessible to all and sundry. People who are unbale to understand the

importance and significance of these Vidyas, will invariable bring these Vidyas

down to their level of thinking. We see this all the time, when half baked

vastu consultants, astrologers etc. have reduced the ShriYantra to a goodluck

charm and a furniture item. I am very sure that the Shriyantra was never

designed to be so.

________________________________

S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai

Saturday, 20 June, 2009 2:02:18 PM