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Dear members,

These days many brahmin youth who are spiritual find that there is no use in

doing sandi and other ritualistic worship. They seem to be contend with the

fact that only Dhyana, meditation or yoga is enough. Few say jus doing

Gayatri alone is enough or maybe along with pranAyAma.

They dont find any purpose or not convinced with the real purport or

significance of offering arghyas or other rituals involved in sandi and

other forms of worship. Although i disagree to their opinion I request

someone to give a convincing, authoritative and valid justification for the

use and significance of all the ritualistic actions that are performed while

doing Sandhi and other pujas.

 

 

Thanks & Regs

Ghanesh

 

 

 

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Dear ganesh,

 

Namaste.

 

Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

 

The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they

themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya.

With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children

the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to

be undergone which the parents themselves do not know.

 

Thanks to the Parents who perform the upanayana of their children a

day before marriage. The next day, the hum bug of marriage (even

the real essence of this marriage system is lost now). What exactly

is performed in Upanayana, neither the parents nor the children

know. What exactly is the Gauri Puja (during the marriage), neither

the parents know nor the Girl. How many purohitas are initiating

the Girl with Gauri Panchakshari here? Practically none.

 

And thanks to our TV and modern gurus in the channels. The main

concept of teaching yoga for these gurus is " how to lower BP, Sugar,

Arthritis and heart problems " . The sanctity of yoga, pranayama and

meditation is not there among these gurus.

 

You have used a term " spiritual " for such people. Frankly speaking,

they do not know what they want in life and lack a purpose and

vision. Such people are not spiritual. These people are used to

getting fed by " foreign spoon " . Indian philosophy does not taste

well for them unless Arthor Avalon, Max Mueller, Norman Brown,

Griffith and several others blow their own trumpets.

 

If they are " spiritual " , they would have certainly appreciated the

authority and sanctity of the vedic rituals and sandhya upasana.

 

Now, the terms which you have used like Pranayama, Yoga, and

Meditation are also present in the most potent form of upasana which

our ancient vedic seers termed it as " Sandhya Upasana " . It is a

COMPLETE PACKAGE BY ITSELF which has been passed down to the

posterity by our rishis. It involves Dhyana, Pranayama, Upasana,

Japa and all other techniques which our modern gurus have coined.

Does not it involve Reiki and Pranic Healing in the form of Nyasas

and Mudras. Does not it involve Meditation on the Supreme Sun (Sun

is the form of Auspicious and Supreme Wisdom) in the form of Savitr

Upasana. Does not it involve Sun Bath which the Westerners have

coined. Does not it involve breathing techniques with mantra which

is the pranayama with Gayatri mantra? Does not it involve the

mantra japa which is the Supreme Gayatri Mantra, the Greatest of all

the Mantras? Gayatri is the protector of Vital Energy (gayan trayate

iti gayatri). Does not it involve Yoga which involves the

contemplation of Oneness of Jiva and Parama Purusha in the Solar

Orbit (the kilaka mantra is asAvAdiyO brahmA in the

mantra " udyanta…..).

 

So, what aspect has been omitted in Sandhya Vandana which is

found " something extra " that is taught by so-called modern gurus?

 

Now coming to Sandhya Vandana, for every mantra upasana be it

Gayatri or other mantras, there are certain purificatory rites that

have to be observed which are mandatory.

 

DO WE TAKE MEALS / DINNER AFTER ANSWERING CALLS OF NATURE?

CERTAINLY NOT, ISN'T IT. I THINK THE REASON EVERYONE KNOWS IE.,

CLEANLINESS AND ANY BACTERIAL GERMS AND WHATNOT WOULD BE WASHED OFF

FROM OUR BODY.

 

SIMILARLY, GAYATRI MANTRA JAPA PERFORMED WITHOUT PURVA ANGAS AND

UTTARA ANGAS IS A SINFUL ACT. THE GAYATRI MANTRA JAPA, IF DONE

WITHOUT PURVA AND UTTARA ANGAS INVOLVES DOSHA WHICH IS LIKE TAKING

FOOD WITHOUT WASHING HANDS / FEET AFTER ANSWERING CALLS OF NATURE.

 

The sinful acts committed during the night would be wiped off by

performance of Morning Sandhya. Any sinful acts committed during

the morning would be wiped off by performance of Afternoon Sandhya.

Any sinful acts committed during the Afternoon would be wiped off by

performance of Evening Sandhya. So, if you perform 3 sandhyas

properly, you are untouched by the Sins. No other upasana is

required if one performs the Sandhyavandana without fail with proper

understanding of each and every mantras.

 

In Sandhyavandana, each and every mantra is important and should be

done meticulously with proper understanding of the mantras. There

are Purvangas and Uttarangas for Gayatri Japa which should be done

properly without omitting them. Every mantra has its importance.

 

Purvanga of Gayatri Japa

 

1) Achamana which is a purificatory rite.

 

2) Pranayama : This is a normal pranayama which involves Puraka,

Rechaka and Kumbhaka with Gayatri and 7 vyahritis.

 

Are the modern gurus teaching something extra other than this?

 

3) Apohistha mayobhuvah is a marjana mantra which is a purificatory

rite

 

(Apo devatas are invoked; Narayana in the form of Agni enters the

Apah for creation. So, it is this Agni that is invoked for

purification)

 

4) Suryascha ma manyuscha is the mantra for pavitrikarana and any

sinful acts that are being committed on that particular would be

wiped off ie., any sinful acts that were inspired by Antaryaami

(surya), Mind (Manyu) and Indriyas (Manyupatayah) , those sins along

with the Kartruttva bhavana (ie., I-ness) is being offered as havis

into the Parama Jyothi (Surye Jyothishi Juhomi Svaha).

 

5) Dadhikravanno Is the punar maarjana for vaak shuddhi (DadhikrAv

is the Agni that presides over the curd and moreover it bestows Vak

Shuddhi which is a must for Mantra Upasana)

 

6) Apohistha ..(again a purificatory rite)

 

7) Hiranyavarnah shuchayah.. for invoking Agni for Brahma tejas

 

8) Drupadaat (papa purusha dahana ie., imagine you sins as a dark

person sitting beside at your left and with this mantra sprinkle

water and imagine as if this person is reduced to ashes). This papa

purusha dahana is also employed in Sriyantra Puja but in a different

way.

 

9) Arghya

 

Now as regards the Arghya, it is generally a story that during the

sunrise, three demons called mandeha obstruct the path of Sun, the

Chariot and the Charioteer. Sun is the Inspirer or the Antaryami in

the Heart. So, the demons are the 3 anti-divine forces that obstruct

the Dawn of Divine Knowledge. This Dawn of Divine Knowledge is the

upanayana. So, the 3 anti-divine forces that camouflage the Dawn of

Divine Inspiration are symbolically represented here.

 

So, for any person who want to be " spiritual " , the three anti-divine

forces in the form of Avidya, Kama and Karma are the demons.

 

10) Udyantha ….Asa vaadityo Brahma

 

In this Mantra is the given how the Sandhya should be performed and

what is the object of Meditation during the Gayatri Japa. asa

vaadity brahma is the kilaka mantra and it should be the bhavana.

One should imagine ONENESS with the SUN and HIMSELF whoever is doing

the Sandhya. This is the objective of Sandhya Anushtana (brahmai

vasan brahmaapyeti ya evam veda)

 

11) Sandhya Tarpana

 

Tarpana is a ritual that gives a sense of Tripti (Satisfaction) to

the Upasya Devata. The 4 mantras are chanted with Tarpayami. Some

also do the Navagraha Tarpana alongwith tarpanas to 4 Vedas. During

the Gayatri Tarpana, the last one is Nimrujeem Tarpayami. Nimrujee

implies one who sweeps and wipes out. It sweeps out our sinful acts.

 

12) Gayatri Avahana (Invocation of Gaytri)

 

You welcome the Goddess for blessing.

 

13) Nyasa and Pancha Puja and Mudras

 

Nyasa is placing the Mantra alongwith Upasya Devata on your body

thereby your body becomes " mantric " ie., charged with divine

currents. These also involve the Mudras (a symbolic gestures with

hands).

 

Is this not the concept of Pranic / Reiki?

 

14) Dhyana

 

This involves Meditation on the form of Gayatri or the Effulgence of

the Resplendent Sun.

 

15) Gayatri Japa

 

Meditation on the Sun by chanting the Gayatri Mantra (a sacred

formula)

 

Uttaranga of Sandhya

 

16) Nyasa, pancha puja and mudras

 

17) surya upasthana

 

A prayer to the Sun for removal of sins

 

18) Rishi vandana, Dik namaskaram

 

Prostrations to the Vedic Seers who have handed down this wonderful

Upasana (a sort of thanks giving). Prostrations to 8 directions for

protection.

 

19) Gayatri Upasthanam etc…….

 

When you have welcomed somebody, you should also bid him farewell

with due respects after the prayers till the next day.

 

20) Rest of mantras like siva-vishnu abheda and others

 

Achamana

 

Recital of one's gotra and pravara

 

(NOW A DAYS MOST OF THE BRAHMINS DO NOT KNOW EVEN THEIR PRAVAARA

PROPERLY)

 

So, this Sandhya Anushtana in a nut shell. The Gayatri should be

chanted a minimum of 10 times because it corresponds to the 21600

hamsas (no. of breaths of the individual in 24 hours).

 

The gayatri has 24 letters, 5 faces, 6 directions, 3 padas. So,

24x5x6x3 = 2160. A minimum of 10 times implies 2160 x 10 = 21600.

These are the number of breaths which we take (inhale and exhale) in

24 hours. And hence, minimum of 10 are prescribed. But 108 japa is

prescribed to wash off the sins for that particular day.

 

SO, DEAR GANESH, THIS SANDHYA UPASANA, IN A NUT SHELL HAS

MEDITATION, YOGA, PRANAYAMA TO CATER TO THE NEEDS OF MODERN DAY

SPIRITUALISTS.

 

If there is " ANYTHING EXTRA " that is being offered by modern gurus,

I am ready to listen to them.

 

Thanks and regards,

Sriram

Namah savitre….

 

, " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs

wrote:

>

> Dear members,

> These days many brahmin youth who are spiritual find that there is

no use in

> doing sandi and other ritualistic worship. They seem to be contend

with the

> fact that only Dhyana, meditation or yoga is enough. Few say jus

doing

> Gayatri alone is enough or maybe along with pranAyAma.

> They dont find any purpose or not convinced with the real purport

or

> significance of offering arghyas or other rituals involved in

sandi and

> other forms of worship. Although i disagree to their opinion I

request

> someone to give a convincing, authoritative and valid

justification for the

> use and significance of all the ritualistic actions that are

performed while

> doing Sandhi and other pujas.

>

>

> Thanks & Regs

> Ghanesh

>

>

>

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Dear sriram,

 

Thank you so very much for your wonderful and sincere efforts in bringing

out the deeper significance and value of our nitya karma. Its really

essential that the younger generation need to understand this before

shrugging off the rituals and claiming that dhyana or japa is enough with

bhakti to win the favor of God. Some also seem to contend that sandhi etc

rituals are only for kAmyartha, like askin for this that, purify me, i offer

this that etc.. and that what is really needed is jus true bhakti and seva

in this kali yuga..simple namasmarana like hare krishna or rama rama is

enough to please God with sincere devotion and service to mankind. Many such

have attitude and say that doing service to the poor, needy and elderly is

more valuable than rituals and puja and eschew nitya karma and even pitru

tarpanas and say they compensate these by offering annadAna to poor and

helping those in need.

 

Its not very easy convincing these kind of people as they dont have the

right attitude or perhaps not the proper and persuading explanation to

convince them that such rituals when done along with other acts of service

will only bear fruits for the latter else such services are devoid of true

merit without nitya karma. But again when we say so they say that they are

not looking for any 'fruits'. They do this bcoz of their selfless attitude

for service and devotion. I have just moved on without imposing much on the

ones who think this way. Maybe you can try to give a better answer to them.

Thanks for your great reply again :)

 

Regs

Ghanesh

 

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

 

> Dear ganesh

>

>

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Namaste,

 

" Guru Krupa Vilasam " and " Dialogues with the Guru " are treasurable books where

Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi Mahaswamigal speaks extensively

about Sandhyavandanam. He says the merits of this are not limited to just the

performer, but also the entire world benefits by it. " Sandhyavandanam " is an

excellent book with extensive and lucid commentaries along with procedural

details by Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. Another

book, containing dialogues in the form of Q & A with Mahasannidhanam is

" Elucidating Explanations " . All these books are available in Sringeri Mutt

branches.

 

If people are not convinced by the explanations provided in these books,

" gatir Govinda kirtanam "

 

Sudarshan

 

 

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

Dear ganesh,

 

Namaste.

 

Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

 

The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they

themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya.

With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children

the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to

be undergone which the parents themselves do not know.

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Correction - The book with Q & A is called " Exalting Elucidations " and not

elucidating explanations. Sorry for the mistake.

 

Sudarshan

 

sudarshan balasubramanian <sudarshanbalasubramanian wrote:

Namaste,

 

" Guru Krupa Vilasam " and " Dialogues with the Guru " are treasurable books where

Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi Mahaswamigal speaks extensively

about Sandhyavandanam. He says the merits of this are not limited to just the

performer, but also the entire world benefits by it. " Sandhyavandanam " is an

excellent book with extensive and lucid commentaries along with procedural

details by Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. Another

book, containing dialogues in the form of Q & A with Mahasannidhanam is

" Elucidating Explanations " . All these books are available in

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Namaskarams. I have a doubt regarding the method of Pranayama. A

clarification from you will carry me a long way.

 

What is the procedure for Pranayama? Some say that we must inhale only

through left nose (from the start until Om Satyam). Retain for the Savithri

and exhale starting from Om Apo... and repeat for 10 times before japam.

 

Others say that the count must be 1:4:2 . I also got a clarification that

nothing wrong in both. THe former is Vaidika and the latter, Tantrika.

 

Since Sandhya is a vaidika ritual, should we do the Pranayama according to

the former.

Thanks in advance

Namaskarams

Venkat

 

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

 

> Dear ganesh,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

>

> The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they

> themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya.

> With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children

> the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to

> be undergone which the parents themselves do not know.

>

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Dear ganesh,

 

Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal of Sringeri Pita once commented

on the persons who bid farewell to sandhya and were practicing nama

samkirtana. These are the words of swamigal.

 

If the master asks the a servant to do a certain work, certainly the

master would be happy and pleased if the servant performs the

ordained task. Without performing the assigned job, if the servant

simply chants the master's name, is that sufficient to get the grace

of master. Certainly NOT.

 

Similarly, the case with Nitya Karmas that are ordained to us by the

Supreme Master of the Universe. If we omit our rituals that were

ordinaed by the Master and do the nama samkirtana, certainly it would

not please the Supreme Master.

 

So, i think this simple, lucid analogy of the Swamigal is enough to

make us think logically about the importance of Sandhya.

 

Moreover, this Sandhya is not only mentioned for 3 varnas. There is

also a method of worship of Sandhya for the 4th varna also. Infact

every Hindu should worship the Sandhya 3 times. In Ramayana, even

Mother Sita worshipped the Sandhya at Ashoka Vana.

 

Now, what is this Sandhya, its tattva, in what mode this Sandhya

should be worshipped, it would take a long post which i would post

which i would do afterwards when i find time. Ida, Pingala and Raudri

are the 3 Nadis that have to be worshipped with Kumbhaka during the

Sandhya Kala which only Yogis can do. This sort of worship is

prescribed by Jagatguru Dattatreya to the Yogis and this is the

Sandhya Upasana.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

, " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote:

>

> Dear sriram,

>

> Thank you so very much for your wonderful and sincere efforts in

bringing

> out the deeper significance and value of our nitya karma. Its really

> essential that the younger generation need to understand this before

> shrugging off the rituals and claiming that dhyana or japa is

enough with

> bhakti to win the favor of God. Some also seem to contend that

sandhi etc

> rituals are only for kAmyartha, like askin for this that, purify

me, i offer

> this that etc.. and that what is really needed is jus true bhakti

and seva

> in this kali yuga..simple namasmarana like hare krishna or rama

rama is

> enough to please God with sincere devotion and service to mankind.

Many such

> have attitude and say that doing service to the poor, needy and

elderly is

> more valuable than rituals and puja and eschew nitya karma and even

pitru

> tarpanas and say they compensate these by offering annadAna to

poor and

> helping those in need.

>

> Its not very easy convincing these kind of people as they dont have

the

> right attitude or perhaps not the proper and persuading explanation

to

> convince them that such rituals when done along with other acts of

service

> will only bear fruits for the latter else such services are devoid

of true

> merit without nitya karma. But again when we say so they say that

they are

> not looking for any 'fruits'. They do this bcoz of their selfless

attitude

> for service and devotion. I have just moved on without imposing

much on the

> ones who think this way. Maybe you can try to give a better answer

to them.

> Thanks for your great reply again :)

>

> Regs

> Ghanesh

>

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram

<sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

>

> > Dear ganesh

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Namaste,

 

As Sriram says, one of the reasons for the " this-is-enough,

this-is-not-required " kind of attitude could be due to some neo spiritual

masters. Although some of them uphold the Gayathri mantram, they do not pay

attention to the Sandhya ritual. Although some of their teachings go against

Shastrokta, people are happy to follow them since they do not like to hear the

word " Shastra " . It is rather considered to be a taboo word. The voices of those

who speak with reference to Shastras are muted in the loudness of the voices of

these neo spiritual masters.

 

Recently, I came across an instruction issued by a spiritual master on the

timeless svasti vachana " Svasti Prajabhyam... " where followers were asked to

recite " samastAh lokAh sukhino bhavantu " instead of the original " lokAh samastAh

sukhino bhavantu " . Seems the original meant only the " lokah " we reside in and

not the other " lokAh " . Only if they had realised that even in the original rk

our maharishis of yore meant all the worlds (lokAh) and not a single world

(lokah), as these people seemingly believe!!!

 

 

" Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote:

Dear sriram,

 

Thank you so very much for your wonderful and sincere efforts in bringing

out

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Sir, you may kindly refer to the book given in my mail - " Sandhyavandanam " . Sri

Mahasannidhanam has spoken on this too in that book. If you are still not

clarified, you could request Sri Sannidhanam for instructions on this. He will

be more than glad to advice you.

 

Venkataraman Rajaraman <venkatswam wrote:

Namaskarams. I have a doubt regarding the method of Pranayama. A

clarification from you will carry me a long way.

 

What is the procedure for Pranayama? Some say that we must inhale only

through left nose (from the start until Om Satyam). Retain for the Savithri

and exhale starting from Om Apo... and repeat for 10 times before japam.

 

Others say that the count must be 1:4:2 . I also got a clarification that

nothing wrong in both. THe former is Vaidika and the latter, Tantrika.

 

Since Sandhya is a vaidika ritual, should we do the Pranayama according to

the former.

Thanks in advance

Namaskarams

Venkat

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Dear venkatraman,

 

If you are comfortable with holding of breath, do it. Otherwise just

omit that ritual. Chant the gayatri 3 times as the pranayama wrongly

done would disturb the subtle nervous system. Infact, the Gayatri

should be chanted 3 times during the Kumbhaka avastha (minimum).

 

Importance is given to Kumbhaka sthiti. And it is this Kumbhaka

avastha that revitalises the vital energy. Because, the more

kumbhaka, the less no. of breaths. The less breaths, the more prana

(vital energy) is preserved. And hence, PrAnA-yAma (control of

prana).

 

Normal pranayama is while inhaling through left nostril, 7 vyahritis

are chanted. During hold of breath, Gayatri is chanted 3 times and

during the exhale with right nostril, om Apo... is chanted. The same

is continued with right and again with left. This is 1 cycle. The

same should be continued 2 times. So, the pranayama done once is 3

cycle.

 

Like this, wherever the pranayama is prescribed in the sandhya

ritual, one should should carry out the similar ritual.

 

So, if the Sandhya vandana ritual carried out in this process, and if

done PERFECTLY, WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF 1 HOUR. HOW MANY ARE DOING

LIKE THIS AND HOW MANY ARE DOING THE TIMELY SANDHYA WITHOUT

PRAYASCHITA ARGHYA PRADHANA.

 

So, donot do the prayanama unless you are initiated into that by a

good yogacharya who is into gayatri upasana and pranayama. I know one

of my friends who landed in trouble by doing Pranayama. His entire

nervous system broke down and is getting treated from a Neurologist

in Hyderabad.

 

My 2 cents,

 

with regards,

sriram

 

, " Venkataraman Rajaraman "

<venkatswam wrote:

>

> Namaskarams. I have a doubt regarding the method of Pranayama. A

> clarification from you will carry me a long way.

>

> What is the procedure for Pranayama? Some say that we must inhale

only

> through left nose (from the start until Om Satyam). Retain for the

Savithri

> and exhale starting from Om Apo... and repeat for 10 times before

japam.

>

> Others say that the count must be 1:4:2 . I also got a

clarification that

> nothing wrong in both. THe former is Vaidika and the latter,

Tantrika.

>

> Since Sandhya is a vaidika ritual, should we do the Pranayama

according to

> the former.

> Thanks in advance

> Namaskarams

> Venkat

>

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram

<sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

>

> > Dear ganesh,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

> >

> > The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they

> > themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya.

> > With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their

children

> > the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to

> > be undergone which the parents themselves do not know.

> >

>

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Namaskarams Ji

Thank you very much. This is a timely reply and I am very thankful to you. I

will perhaps, try to do Pranayama the way you mentioned. I have been longing

for this reply ever since I knew what is Pranayama

 

Namaskarams

Venkat

 

[The following correction to the above was made later:-Moderators]

 

" Sorry Ji, I meant, i will practice Pranayama if I am initiated by my Guru.

Thanks and Namaskarams

Venkat "

 

 

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:43 AM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

 

> Dear venkatraman,

>

> If you are comfortable with holding of breath, do it. Otherwise just

> omit that ritual. Chant the gayatri 3 times as the pranayama wrongly

> done would disturb the subtle nervous system. Infact, the Gayatri

> should be chanted 3 times during the Kumbhaka avastha (minimum).

>

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Dear Sriram,

 

Thanks a LOT for your profound and authoritative mail. I will get back to

you with the feedback of your analogy after sharing the same with my modern

friends who might prolly find a better excuse to this analogy :)

 

Btw is there any prayoga to get back lost things? There are some really

pathetic and tragic cases of theft happening consistently. I know anything

would require initiation from a Guru. But since I am already an initiate I

was wondering if theres anything available the includes and/or besides

kArthavIrya.

 

Thanks & Regs

Ghanesh

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Dear ganesh,

 

If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it.

Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not

initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda

Parayana from Srimad Ramayana.

 

My grandfather used to recite entire sundarakanda everyday without

fail. Sundarakanda is a wonderful potent mantra with anjaneya bija

mantras. When Ramachandra lost hope of the trace of Sita, it is Shri

Anjaneya who found the whereabouts of Goddess Sita in Sundarakanda.

Specially the 13th and 27 chapters are wonderful mantras. For bad

dreams (duswapnAs) and nashtadravya prapthi, return of lost family

members, karyasiddhi and abhicharika prayogas, the Sundarakanda

Parayana is prescribed. It is also prescribed for mental peace

because it gave mental solace to Ramachandra and Goddess Sita.

There are several ways of Sundarakanda Parayana for eg., sapthasarga

etc. After the parayana, the Rama Pattabhisheka Chapter should be

read and 2 brahmins are to be fed. If possible Rama Pattabhisheka be

performed.

 

There is Rama Taraka mantra in Sundarakanda. The sloka " namOstu

rAmAya sa lakshmaNAya..... " is the taraka mantra. There is a karya

siddhi mantra called " Jaya Panchakam " which starts with " Jayatyati

ramO..... " which was uttered by Shri Anjaneya.

 

This jaya panchakam when recited can counter the abhicharika

prayogas with the grace of Shri Anjaneya.

 

There are 14 names of Lord Dattatreya which are chanted for Nashta

Dravya Prapthi.

 

But if you are initiated in Kartavirya, just proceed.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

, " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs

wrote:

>

> Dear Sriram,

>

> Thanks a LOT for your profound and authoritative mail. I will get

back to

> you with the feedback of your analogy after sharing the same with

my modern

> friends who might prolly find a better excuse to this analogy :)

>

> Btw is there any prayoga to get back lost things? There are some

really

> pathetic and tragic cases of theft happening consistently. I know

anything

> would require initiation from a Guru. But since I am already an

initiate I

> was wondering if theres anything available the includes and/or

besides

> kArthavIrya.

>

> Thanks & Regs

> Ghanesh

>

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Dear ganesh,

 

If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it.

Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not

initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda

Parayana from Srimad Ramayana.

 

My grandfather used to recite entire sundarakanda everyday without

fail. Sundarakanda is a wonderful potent mantra with anjaneya bija

mantras. When Ramachandra lost hope of the trace of Sita, it is Shri

Anjaneya who found the whereabouts of Goddess Sita in Sundarakanda.

Specially the 13th and 27 chapters are wonderful mantras. For bad

dreams (duswapnAs) and nashtadravya prapthi, return of lost family

members, karyasiddhi and abhicharika prayogas, the Sundarakanda

Parayana is prescribed. It is also prescribed for mental peace

because it gave mental solace to Ramachandra and Goddess Sita.

There are several ways of Sundarakanda Parayana for eg., sapthasarga

etc. After the parayana, the Rama Pattabhisheka Chapter should be

read and 2 brahmins are to be fed. If possible Rama Pattabhisheka be

performed.

 

There is Rama Taraka mantra in Sundarakanda. The sloka " namOstu

rAmAya sa lakshmaNAya..... " is the taraka mantra. There is a karya

siddhi mantra called " Jaya Panchakam " which starts with " Jayatyati

ramO..... " which was uttered by Shri Anjaneya.

 

This jaya panchakam when recited can counter the abhicharika

prayogas with the grace of Shri Anjaneya.

 

There are 14 names of Lord Dattatreya which are chanted for Nashta

Dravya Prapthi.

 

But if you are initiated in Kartavirya, just proceed.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

, " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs

wrote:

>

> Dear Sriram,

>

> Thanks a LOT for your profound and authoritative mail. I will get

back to

> you with the feedback of your analogy after sharing the same with

my modern

> friends who might prolly find a better excuse to this analogy :)

>

> Btw is there any prayoga to get back lost things? There are some

really

> pathetic and tragic cases of theft happening consistently. I know

anything

> would require initiation from a Guru. But since I am already an

initiate I

> was wondering if theres anything available the includes and/or

besides

> kArthavIrya.

>

> Thanks & Regs

> Ghanesh

>

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Dear sriram,

 

Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Im a purnabhisheka dikshita in kAdi

sampradya and yes i have been initiated in kArtavIrya mantra. My Guruji had

recently transcended into Manidwipa. Ive only been doing the mantra japa. I

was wondering if there was a more kshipra phala prayoga of kArtavIrya that

can be used for a public benefit. For self jus the mantra parayana would

suffice i know but theres a dire need to help someone for a public benefit,

so wanted to know if theres any bigger prayoga. Please apprise me in case

there's something that can be employed using kArtavIya.

 

Thanks & Regs

Ghanesh

 

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:50 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

 

> Dear ganesh,

>

> If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it.

> Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not

> initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda

> Parayana from Srimad Ramayana.

>

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Dear ganesh,

 

Namaste. Please pardon me. I am not a purna diksha initiate. Since,

you are on higher platform than me, i have no right to advice you.

 

BTW, are a disciple of Narayana Shastrigal of chennai.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

, " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote:

>

> Dear sriram,

>

> Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Im a purnabhisheka dikshita in

kAdi

> sampradya and yes i have been initiated in kArtavIrya mantra. My

Guruji had

> recently transcended into Manidwipa. Ive only been doing the mantra

japa. I

> was wondering if there was a more kshipra phala prayoga of

kArtavIrya that

> can be used for a public benefit. For self jus the mantra parayana

would

> suffice i know but theres a dire need to help someone for a public

benefit,

> so wanted to know if theres any bigger prayoga. Please apprise me

in case

> there's something that can be employed using kArtavIya.

>

> Thanks & Regs

> Ghanesh

>

> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:50 PM, sriram

<sriram_sapthasathiwrote:

>

> > Dear ganesh,

> >

> > If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it.

> > Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are

not

> > initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda

> > Parayana from Srimad Ramayana.

> >

>

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Dear Sriramji

 

Namaste

 

I sincerely thank you for giving such a detailed explanations of sandhyavandana.

 

In many occasions, i have seen that sandhyavandana is performed just to show

off. I think it is because it was neither taught by their elders who themselves

will not be performing the sandhyavandanas / will not take sufficient patience

to teach their next generations what and why they have to do all these things.

Even during the upanayana time as you are aware people neither bothered about

the rituals that are performed / what is being taught. Only thing they see is

whether thread with 3 rounds is there on the body or not. In such a case, what

as a purohita can teach and as you said in these days who is teaching the

perfect pranayama to any vatu who is realy intrested in doing it. Even in so

called mathas (who are staying in) also perform just a process and no importance

either in mind or in the breath or in the meaning.

 

By looking in to all these things I personally feel the so called what you said

as mordern gurus are teaching the proper breathing there by giving importance to

breath.

 

According to me when you give importance to breath, your mind and emotions come

to your control that is what is required. I am not of the opinion that you

should not perform sandhyavandana but there is nothing wrong in following

mordern gurus for learning pranayama and implementing them in your daily

nityakarma. If a good thing is there it should be accepted and to be

implemented.

 

One more thing i would like to bring to your kind notice that why only brahmins

should do nitya karma. Even shudras when done nitya karma they will be raised

to the level of brahma (a word by sri shankaracharya) says that even a chandala

when speaks about brahma tatva he should be respected. Our society does not

provide any of such provisions. This is the reason due to which mordern gurus

like His Holyness Sri Sri Ravishankarji are teaching nitya karma (without more

mantras and mudras which are of advanced stages) just by pranayama and

sudarshanka kriya to each and every one on this earth.

 

If there is any thing wrong / any comments, I accept with great respect and

correct my self to the extent possible.

 

Thank you all members

 

Subramanya

 

 

 

 

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

 

Monday, 22 September, 2008 8:07:00 PM

Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative

justification for rituals??

 

 

Dear ganesh,

 

Namaste.

 

Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

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Dear subramanya,

 

Namaste. You are partly right. You have rightly pointed out that our

nityakarma have more or less become a show off among the brahmin

families. Upanayana and marriage is just a gathering for them for

chatting and buffets.

 

But there are sincere practitioners who are still doing the sandhya

sincerely without fail alongwith perfect pranayama ie., sandhya

WITHOUT PRAYASCHITA. My paramaguru's son offers the arghya (which is

the important anga in sandhya) during the sunrise, noon and sunset.

For sandhya, the time of sunrise, sunset is most important (the time

is bahu sukshma). During this time, the path of sushumna is free from

obstacles. My gurunatha performed trikala sandhya without prayashita

without fail till his life time.

 

We have to follow the footsteps of these people and such persons are

our ideal.

 

Now that you have mentioned the vidyarthis in the mutts, it depends

upon the chitta vrittis of the students. I have seen both the types

of vedic students in Sringeri. The students who are interested ONLY

IN CRICKET COMMENTARY & SCORES, WATCHING TV SERIALS, SWIMMING IN

TUNGA RIVER and the students who are INTROVERT, PERFORMING THEIR

NITYA KARMA AND VEDA ADHYAYANA, SASTRA CHARCHA WITH SWAMIGAL. So, the

Swamiji personally takes care of the second category. I can name some

of the vidyarthis whom i have personally met but this is not the

forum for such things. So, these 2nd category students perform their

nitya karma, pranayama under the supervision of swamiji.

 

As regards the Sandhya to 4th varna, there IS ALSO SANDHYA ANUSHTANA

TO SHUDRAS AND THERE IS ALSO THE GAYATRI JAPA PRESCRIBED FOR THEM. I

THINK I HAVE MENTIONED THIS IN MY EARLIER POST. EVERY HINDU SHOULD

PERFORM SANDHYA.

 

As regards the Yogacharyas, i think i need not mention the names who

move in lancer cars, stay in star hotels, charge " packages " for

teaching yogas. Some of the yogacharyas whom our family is associated

donot charge a single pie. ABSOLUTELY FREE OF COST. Couple of them

are Shri BKS Iyengar and Shri Suri Raghava Dikshitulu (he is no

more). My brother learnt Surya Namaskar, Neti & Dhauti Kriyas under

Dikshitulu at Gandhi Gyan Mandir in Hyderabad. Day before night,

National DD Network telecat the interview of Shri BKS Iyengar who was

interviewed by Mr. Vijay Malhotra. What an unassuming person he is!

In Sringeri, also, there are wonderful yogacharyas who practice yoga,

asanas, mudras and kriyas who are very sobre and wonderful

personalities who are accessible to all (absolutely free of cost).

 

Moreover, there is a specific diet control to practice pranayama, if

not maintained properly, would prove dangerous.

 

BTW, i am not against any modern gurus.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

, subramanya h c <subba_mce wrote:

>

> Dear Sriramji

>

> Namaste

>

> I sincerely thank you for giving such a detailed explanations of

sandhyavandana.

>

> In many occasions, i have seen that sandhyavandana is performed

just to show off. I think it is because it was neither taught by

their elders who themselves will not be performing the

sandhyavandanas / will not take sufficient patience to teach their

next generations what and why they have to do all these things. Even

during the upanayana time as you are aware people neither bothered

about the rituals that are performed / what is being taught. Only

thing they see is whether thread with 3 rounds is there on the body

or not. In such a case, what as a purohita can teach and as you said

in these days who is teaching the perfect pranayama to any vatu who

is realy intrested in doing it. Even in so called mathas (who are

staying in) also perform just a process and no importance either in

mind or in the breath or in the meaning.

>

> By looking in to all these things I personally feel the so called

what you said as mordern gurus are teaching the proper breathing

there by giving importance to breath.

>

> According to me when you give importance to breath, your mind and

emotions come to your control that is what is required. I am not of

the opinion that you should not perform sandhyavandana but there is

nothing wrong in following mordern gurus for learning pranayama and

implementing them in your daily nityakarma. If a good thing is there

it should be accepted and to be implemented.

>

> One more thing i would like to bring to your kind notice that why

only brahmins should do nitya karma. Even shudras when done nitya

karma they will be raised to the level of brahma (a word by sri

shankaracharya) says that even a chandala when speaks about brahma

tatva he should be respected. Our society does not provide any of

such provisions. This is the reason due to which mordern gurus like

His Holyness Sri Sri Ravishankarji are teaching nitya karma (without

more mantras and mudras which are of advanced stages) just by

pranayama and sudarshanka kriya to each and every one on this earth.

>

> If there is any thing wrong / any comments, I accept with great

respect and correct my self to the extent possible.

>

> Thank you all members

>

> Subramanya

>

>

>

>

>

>

> sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

>

> Monday, 22 September, 2008 8:07:00 PM

> Re: Can someone give a convincing &

authoritative justification for rituals??

>

>

> Dear ganesh,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

>

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It may be true that some perform Sandhyavandana for show-off, but for that sake

at least they perform it, which is commendable. Performance is anytime better

than nonperformance.

 

Moreover, it also needs to be understood that, although important, Pranayama

is another anga of Sandhyavandana. The other important aspects of Sandhyavandana

like Gayathri japam and arghya pradanam should not be ignored in the deal. What

is the use of a controlled mind that does not pursue further towards Atma

sakshatkara? If our Maharshis and mantradrushtas felt that pranayama alone was

more important than the mantras, then they would have not given us the mantras

at all.

 

People mostly flock to gurus to learn breathing techniques to get rid of their

stressful life and for health benefits, but how many of them will assemble when

the guru speaks about Vedanta.

 

[There seems to be some assumption that attending vedAnta lectures is somehow

greater/meritorius than pursuing worldly or spiritual benefits -Why cant they be

seen as two different interests rather than project vedAnta as something

greater? - Satish]

 

subramanya h c <subba_mce wrote:

Dear Sriramji

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Dear sir,

 

I welcome your comment, but as I have seen in art of living, where there will be

silence in advance course and only meditation and also only lectures of vedanta

and also several others vedanta topics like astavakra geetha, sivasutra,

patanjali yogasutra ... innumerous persons attend and participate and practice

whole over the world.  That is the reason why I am more associated with art of

living (Sri Sri. ravishankarji). 

 

Thanks for your comments.  Is it enough only by giving arghya at 3  sandyas is

enough to practice sandhayavandana.

 

THere is much more,  As you have rightly pointed out we need to practice

pranayama during sandhya vandana.  If any body is doing it, it is good.  It

should be extended to the other people who are in the society.  Are we doing

it.  NO we are not.  Let some body is doing it.  They are extending our

culture.  Let us appriciate it.

 

In case it is hurted you, I am sorry.  I feel this is also a face of truth.

 

Thank to all members with sincere pranamas to you specially sir,

 

Subramanay

 

 

 

 

sudarshan balasubramanian <sudarshanbalasubramanian

 

Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 3:55:26 PM

Re: Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative

justification for rituals??

 

 

It may be true that some perform Sandhyavandana for show-off, but for that sake

at least they perform it, which is commendable. Performance is anytime better

than nonperformance.

 

Moreover, it also needs to be understood that, although important, Pranayama is

another anga of Sandhyavandana. The other important aspects of Sandhyavandana

like Gayathri japam and arghya pradanam should not be ignored in the deal. What

is the use of a controlled mind that does not pursue further towards Atma

sakshatkara? If our Maharshis and mantradrushtas felt that pranayama alone was

more important than the mantras, then they would have not given us the mantras

at all.

 

People mostly flock to gurus to learn breathing techniques to get rid of their

stressful life and for health benefits, but how many of them will assemble when

the guru speaks about Vedanta.

 

[There seems to be some assumption that attending vedAnta lectures is somehow

greater/meritorius than pursuing worldly or spiritual benefits -Why cant they be

seen as two different interests rather than project vedAnta as something

greater? - Satish]

 

subramanya h c <subba_mce (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sriramji

 

 

 

 

Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to

http://in.webmessenger./

 

 

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Dear Sriramji

Namaste

 

Going through your post I felt utmost joy seeing so many like minded

people. We got small bunch of people here who are spreading the

practice of sandhyavandana.

 

WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN DOING SO BECAUSE THE

COMING GENERATIONS MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF THIS GREATEST SADHANA AND

WE ARE TO BE BLAMED THEN FOR NOT PASSING THE PRACTICE.

 

Culprits may be a very harsh word for the parents

off course I am with you for pointing a finger towards them for not

having sincerity towards our rituals and practices.

 

 

, " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

>

> Dear ganesh,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

>

> The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they

>

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Dear Brother

Namaste

 

Nowadays every one is talking about meditation not even dhyana we have

our own terminology(dhyana) why not use it and dhyana is much more

broader than meditation . As our friends already mentioned about

sandhya vandana it consists japa and my brother JAPA IS ALSO CALLED AS

MANTRA SAHITA DHYANA OR MEDITATION

Sri Sri Ravi Shankarji himself quoted sadhana are Complimentary and

speaking in your perspective

After Advanced course there are some more courses also and one is

supposed to do the basic sadhana the advanced course (dhyana) and then

chant the mantra (taking it as another course where a mantra will be

given) and GAYATRI MANTRA IS THE GREATEST MANTRA IN THE UNIVERSE and

the best fruits can be obtained by doing it through the systematic

procedure of Sandhya Vandana.

 

For wonderful experience sake do your AOL pranayama and perform

sandhya vandana (if one is eligible) and EXPERIENCE THE GREAT JOY OF

MOTHER GAYATRI

 

namaste

Diwakar

 

, subramanya h c <subba_mce wrote:

>

> Dear sir,

>  

> I welcome your comment, but as I have seen in art of living, where

there will be silence in advance course and only meditation and also

only lectures of vedanta and also several others vedanta topics like

astavakra geetha, sivasutra, patanjali yogasutra ... innumerous

persons attend and participate and practice whole over the world. 

That is the reason why I am more associated with art of living (Sri

Sri. ravishankarji). 

>  

>

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It is sad that Gurus are prescribing stages for giving them the Reality, because

they want to bind them without leaving them. If a Guru cannot give the totality

of the absolute reality in one go - whether the sishya is able to get the

experience immediately or later on by stages - such Guru is absolutely useless.

Like a President of a country is elected, eventhough he has no experiene

whatsoever of that office, still after election, he discharges such duties.

Similarly the Guru, if he is capable enough, he confers the highest condition on

the sishya and the sishya by dint of his association with the Guru's athma and

the lineage of gurus (Guru mandalam), he progresses stage by stage. Of course at

every stage the Guru has always an eye on the sishya for his progress.

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

 

 

: diwakarvlg: Thu, 25 Sep 2008

06:05:10 +0000 Re: Can someone give a convincing &

authoritative justification for rituals??

 

 

 

 

Dear BrotherNamasteNowadays every one is talking about meditation not even

dhyana we haveour own terminology(dhyana) why not use it and dhyana is much

morebroader than meditation . As our friends already

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shri gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

I have heard that in our busy lives nowadays, with duties to employer, family

and others, that it is permissible to perform mAdhyAknikam immediately after

prAtaHsandhyA.

 

Comments ?

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

-

Diwakar N.V.L.G

Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:32 AM

Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative

justification for rituals??

 

 

Dear Sriramji

Namaste

 

Going through your post I felt utmost joy seeing so many like minded

people. We got small bunch of people here who are spreading the

practice of sandhyavandana.

 

WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN DOING SO BECAUSE THE

COMING GENERATIONS MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF THIS GREATEST SADHANA AND

WE ARE TO BE BLAMED THEN FOR NOT PASSING THE PRACTICE.

 

Culprits may be a very harsh word for the parents

off course I am with you for pointing a finger towards them for not

having sincerity towards our rituals and practices.

 

, " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

>

> Dear ganesh,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths.

>

> The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

Kumar-ji, you are correct. This has been advised by no less a person than

Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. I quote below from

" Exalting Elucidations " published by Sri Vidya Tirtha Foundation, Chennai.

 

Devotee: The necessity of attending school, college office etc., often precludes

the performance of madhyahnika at the proper time. When, then, should it be

done?

 

ACHARYAL: Madhyahnika can be performed after the morning sandhyavandana itself.

This is in case there is no other option.

 

So, here we have the reply from the most authoritative person on scriptural

injunctions.

 

There are some more answers provided by Mahasannidhanam on this subject. If

members desire, I will be glad to provide them here.

 

Regards,

Sudarshan

 

Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: shri

gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

I have heard that in our busy lives nowadays, with duties to employer, family

and others, that it is permissible to perform mAdhyAknikam immediately after

prAtaHsandhyA.

 

Comments ?

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

-

Diwakar N.V.L.G

Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:32 AM

Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative

justification for rituals??

 

Dear Sriramji

Namaste

 

Going through your post I felt utmost joy seeing so many like minded

people. We got small bunch of people here who are spreading the

practice of sandhyavandana.

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