Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Namaste, For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but both are valid. However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying "hreeng" and stop just when you are about to say "g". The sound "g" should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal "n(g)" correctly, you have to think that you are going to say "ng", but stop just short of "g". It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the "g" sound a bit. Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to "hreem". Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Dear Narsimha, Hope you are doing great. I have a small question. Someone said that "Hreeing" is more appropriate than "Hreem". Would you agree..? Thanks<deleted> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Namaste, The ka-group of consonants represents the fire element. The pa-varga group of consonants represents the air element. Thus, "n(g)" has more fire in it and "m" has more air in it. In each group again, the five letters in the group represent the sub-influence of the five elements. The nasal (anunaasika) in each group shows the element of space (aakaasa). Thus, "n(g)" is a combination of space and fire and "m" is space and air. Both are fine and serve different purposes. However, when g becomes explicit, the space influence becomes less and that is undesirable. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Dear Narasimha ji, Thanks a lot for this valuable information. You are right, I have noticed as well that they work differently, and hence I asked this question. I have felt more intense energy with Shreeng and Hreeng compared to Sheem and Hreem , I guess I have to practice making sure that "g" is not explicit at all. Thanks again<deleted> Namaste, For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but both are valid. However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying "hreeng" and stop just when you are about to say "g". The sound "g" should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal "n(g)" correctly, you have to think that you are going to say "ng", but stop just short of "g". It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the "g" sound a bit. Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to "hreem". Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Dear Narsimha, Hope you are doing great. I have a small question. Someone said that "Hreeing" is more appropriate than "Hreem". Would you agree..? Thanks<deleted> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Dear Narsimha Garu,Pranaam,I really appreciate your patience in reply this question one more time. I am aware that you have provided this clarification time and again. However, you have not at all hesitated or irritated towards this question one more time. You are really a knowledge sharer. May god bless you. regards,JitendraOn Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Namaste,  The ka-group of consonants represents the fire element. The pa-varga group of consonants represents the air element. Thus, " n(g) " has more fire in it and " m " has more air in it.  In each group again, the five letters in the group represent the sub-influence of the five elements. The nasal (anunaasika) in each group shows the element of space (aakaasa). Thus, " n(g) " is a combination of space and fire and " m " is space and air. Both are fine and serve different purposes. However, when g becomes explicit, the space influence becomes less and that is undesirable.  Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Dear Narasimha ji, Thanks a lot for this valuable information. You are right, I have noticed as well that they work differently, and hence I asked this question. I have felt more intense energy with Shreeng and Hreeng compared to Sheem and Hreem , I guess I have to practice making sure that " g " is  not explicit at all. Thanks again<deleted> Namaste,  For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but both are valid.  However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound " g " should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " correctly, you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just short of " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound a bit. Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to " hreem " .  Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea.  Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org -  Dear Narsimha, Hope you are doing great. I have a small question.  Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . Would you agree..? Thanks<deleted> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Narasimha ji, Thank you very much for the clarification of the nasal ending of beeja mantras. I have been seeking answers about this for years by asking various scholars in India, but no-one could clarify it like you. My hat off to the depth of your knowledge. You mention that the 'ka' consonant group corresponds to fire (as it does to Mars) and 'pa' consonant group corresponds to air (Saturn). This fits to Parashara's assignment of Bhutas to the Grahas (BPHS 3. 20 / Ranjan publ.). So my question is: Would it be right to assign each element to the consonant groups as per the Graha assigned to it (as per Parashara)? So would this be correct?: 'ka' group -> Agni (Mangal) 'ca' group -> Jala (Shukra) 'Ta' group -> Bhumi (Budha) 'ta' group -> Akasha (Guru) 'pa' group -> Vayu (Shani) The nasal (anunaasika)in each group represents Akasha, which makes sense as it is all-pervading. However, I wonder if it is correct that the 'ta' group (Guru) would also be assigned to it. I don't mean to go off topic. I would love to hear more about the correspondence between the various beeja mantras, their corresponding deities, Grahas and the Sanskrit alphabet. Best regards and thanks, Andri , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > The ka-group of consonants represents the fire element. The pa-varga group of consonants represents the air element. Thus, " n(g) " has more fire in it and " m " has more air in it. > > In each group again, the five letters in the group represent the sub-influence of the five elements. The nasal (anunaasika) in each group shows the element of space (aakaasa). Thus, " n(g) " is a combination of space and fire and " m " is space and air. Both are fine and serve different purposes. However, when g becomes explicit, the space influence becomes less and that is undesirable. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > - > Dear Narasimha ji, > > Thanks a lot for this valuable information. > > You are right, I have noticed as well that they work differently, and hence I asked this question. > > I have felt more intense energy with Shreeng and Hreeng compared to Sheem and Hreem , I guess I have to practice making sure that " g " is > > not explicit at all. > > Thanks again > <deleted> > Namaste, > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but both are valid. > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound " g " should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " correctly, you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just short of " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound a bit. Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to " hreem " . > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > > Dear Narsimha, > Hope you are doing great. > I have a small question. > Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . > Would you agree..? > Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 namaste narasimha ji, does the same apply to " gam " ? yesterday while discussing the mantra " Om Gam Ganapatiye Namah " with a friend, she told me that " gam " is pronounced as " gong " . Thank you! , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but both are valid. > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound " g " should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " correctly, you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just short of " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound a bit. Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to " hreem " . > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > > > Dear Narsimha, > > Hope you are doing great. > > I have a small question. > > Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . Would you agree..? > > Thanks > <deleted> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 namaste, I think following old message may clarify. also message no. 748 /message/1081 rgds utpal , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma wrote: > > > namaste narasimha ji, > > does the same apply to " gam " ? yesterday while discussing the mantra " Om > Gam Ganapatiye Namah " with a friend, she told me that " gam " is > pronounced as " gong " . > > Thank you! > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group > (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but > both are valid. > > > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot > pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying > " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound " g " > should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " correctly, > you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just short of > " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound a bit. > Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to " hreem " . > > > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both > fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > - > > > > > > Dear Narsimha, > > > > Hope you are doing great. > > > > I have a small question. > > > > Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . Would > you agree..? > > > > Thanks > > <deleted> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 one correction for the Mantra in your message. The correct is " Gam Ganapataye Nama: " , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma wrote: > > > namaste narasimha ji, > > does the same apply to " gam " ? yesterday while discussing the mantra " Om > Gam Ganapatiye Namah " with a friend, she told me that " gam " is > pronounced as " gong " . > > Thank you! > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group > (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but > both are valid. > > > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot > pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying > " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound " g " > should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " correctly, > you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just short of > " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound a bit. > Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to " hreem " . > > > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both > fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > - > > > > > > Dear Narsimha, > > > > Hope you are doing great. > > > > I have a small question. > > > > Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . Would > you agree..? > > > > Thanks > > <deleted> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Respected Narasimhaji,In view of your explanation of the swara and beeja-it strikes me that the Buddhists are chanting Om Mani Padma Hooma and the same mantra is chanted in the form of Om Mani pembe hoom by Tibetan Buddhists as per my rough understanding.May I request some enlightenment on the mysticism of this mantra and the phonetic arrangement thereof !NamaskaaramAmit--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Andri Lindbergs <astroiq wrote:Andri Lindbergs <astroiq Re: Quick Question- Hreem or Hreeing..? Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 8:32 AMDear Narasimha ji,Thank you very much for the clarification of the nasal ending of beeja mantras. I have been seeking answers about this for years by asking various scholars in India, but no-one could clarify it like you. My hat off to the depth of your knowledge.You mention that the 'ka' consonant group corresponds to fire (as it does to Mars) and 'pa' consonant group corresponds to air (Saturn). This fits to Parashara's assignment of Bhutas to the Grahas (BPHS 3. 20 / Ranjan publ.). So my question is: Would it be right to assign each element to the consonant groups as per the Graha assigned to it (as per Parashara)?So would this be correct?:'ka' group -> Agni (Mangal)'ca' group -> Jala (Shukra)'Ta' group -> Bhumi (Budha)'ta' group -> Akasha (Guru)'pa' group -> Vayu (Shani)The nasal (anunaasika)in each group represents Akasha, which makes sense as it is all-pervading. However, I wonder if it is correct that the 'ta' group (Guru) would also be assigned to it.I don't mean to go off topic.I would love to hear more about the correspondence between the various beeja mantras, their corresponding deities, Grahas and the Sanskrit alphabet.Best regards and thanks,Andri , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > The ka-group of consonants represents the fire element. The pa-varga group of consonants represents the air element. Thus, "n(g)" has more fire in it and "m" has more air in it.> > In each group again, the five letters in the group represent the sub-influence of the five elements. The nasal (anunaasika) in each group shows the element of space (aakaasa). Thus, "n(g)" is a combination of space and fire and "m" is space and air. Both are fine and serve different purposes. However, when g becomes explicit, the space influence becomes less and that is undesirable.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> > - > Dear Narasimha ji,> > Thanks a lot for this valuable information.> > You are right, I have noticed as well that they work differently, and hence I asked this question.> > I have felt more intense energy with Shreeng and Hreeng compared to Sheem and Hreem , I guess I have to practice making sure that "g" is > > not explicit at all.> > Thanks again> <deleted>> Namaste,> > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but both are valid.> > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying "hreeng" and stop just when you are about to say "g". The sound "g" should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal "n(g)" correctly, you have to think that you are going to say "ng", but stop just short of "g". It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the "g" sound a bit. Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to "hreem".> > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> - > > Dear Narsimha,> Hope you are doing great.> I have a small question. > Someone said that "Hreeing" is more appropriate than "Hreem". > Would you agree..?> Thanks---|| Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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