Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Namaste, Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in the greater Boston area too? * * * Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and being pushing back as a reaction. When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction later. * * * Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of I-ness in this life. As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does not stop Nature from doing its job. In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of "I am doing this") as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PMKarma > Dear Narsimhaji,>> How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral frame > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune?>> A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few years > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of his > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her recent > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt it > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. His > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have two > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe of > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy?>> Regards,> <name deleted for privacy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Sri Narasimha Garu, Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all reaction to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as his action than a reaction of our old karmas. In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not fight back? Thanks KK , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in the greater Boston area too? > > * * * > > Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and being pushing back as a reaction. > > When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction later. > > * * * > > Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of I-ness in this life. > > As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does not stop Nature from doing its job. > > In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > Karma > > > Dear Narsimhaji, > > > > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral frame > > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > > > > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few years > > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of his > > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person > > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her recent > > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt it > > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. His > > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have two > > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe of > > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he > > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > > > > Regards, > > <name deleted for privacy> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Namaste Rao Garu, There are few questions- >Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, >but with a calm and relaxed mind. I am not able to understand this state. if person is neither happy nor sad, then what kind of state of mind he/she is in? is it dullness? or there is some exalted state which can be defined as supremely happy state always or is it a great peacefullness? i have read that Swami Vivekananda and other brother desciples used to display many a times expression of extreme emotions such as anger, cry, heated arguments etc... did not they reach Sthithpragya state? Is it that a spiritually elevated person needs to have a blank face? without any display of emotions? *** another question is regarding Karma(Action and Reaction) Take a case - somebody, say a rawdy person Slaps a person 'x'. Mr. X didn't do any wrong. now in this case, what should X be doing. should he take the Slap and go away from there thinking that it was a result of his past Karma or he should give back the same medicine to the abuser. In either of the above options, how Mr. X can remain (act) without detachment.how such state can be achieved. however we say that we should do detached karma, it does not seem possible. how to achieve that? it looks very difficult to understand. Best Regards, Utpal , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in the greater Boston area too? > > * * * > > Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and being pushing back as a reaction. > > When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction later. > > * * * > > Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of I-ness in this life. > > As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does not stop Nature from doing its job. > > In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > Karma > > > Dear Narsimhaji, > > > > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral frame > > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > > > > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few years > > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of his > > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person > > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her recent > > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt it > > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. His > > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have two > > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe of > > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he > > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > > > > Regards, > > <name deleted for privacy> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Namaste, If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things happening simultaneously: (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created a situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed that person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so. (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in the action while identifying with the action ( " I am doing it " ), he now gets a new karma. He will be paid back later. Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid back for what you did before. * * * In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does something to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think " why does it have to happen to me " . Think only about your current action ( " what is the best thing for me to do NOW? " ) and do NOT think about what happened, why it happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair. The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do so. You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ( " I am doing " ) will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on himself with a previous action. If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and surrendering the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we live in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most troublesome karmas to a later time. When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who is not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So you can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " kritels " <kritels Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM Re: How Karma Works > Sri Narasimha Garu, > > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. > > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: > > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all reaction > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > his action than a reaction of our old karmas. > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not fight > back? > > Thanks > KK > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Namaste, >> >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in >> the greater Boston area too? >> >> * * * >> >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and >> being pushing back as a reaction. >> >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction >> later. >> >> * * * >> >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of >> I-ness in this life. >> >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does >> not stop Nature from doing its job. >> >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing >> this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> - >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM >> Karma >> >> > Dear Narsimhaji, >> > >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral >> > frame >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? >> > >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few >> > years >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of >> > his >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her >> > recent >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt >> > it >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. >> > His >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have >> > two >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe >> > of >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? >> > >> > Regards, >> > <name deleted for privacy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Namaste, (1) Display of emotions is different from feeling emotions. Saints like Sai Baba and Ramakrishna acted angry sometimes, but I am sure they did not feel any anger in their heart. It is not about how you come across to others. It is about how you feel inside. A person who achieved sthitaprajnata feels the same way whether good things happen or bad things happen. He is not dull. He may look happy, sad, angry and calm at different times, but his heart does not feel much emotion and in a calm and stable state alwats. "Yoga Vaasishtham" is a good book to read to understand various aspects related to sthitaprajnata. But, more than understanding that state, it is important to make progress towards reaching that state oneself. Not thinking too much about what others do to you is a good starting point. (2) One should always do one's dharma (right action). What Mr X should do in this specific case depends on his dharma. The tasks assigned to Mr X by nature may require him to ignore the distraction posed by the rowdy person and focus on his main task. In another case, the tasks assigned to Mr X by nature may require him to beat up this aggressor and show something to some people. Either could be correct. Right action changes from person to person and situation to situation. However, as long as Mr X thinks "this person unfairly hit me. I should take revenge" and takes action based on that thinking, he will be stuck and what Nature expecs from him will not be clear to him. One who does not have a dense ego can mostly know what Nautre expects from one, do the right actions and pay off karmik debts. One who has a dense ego, which keeps interfering with one's sense of dharma, will be lost and engaging in unnecessary acts which increase the debts instead of reducing them. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:22 PM Re: How Karma Works > Namaste Rao Garu,> > There are few questions-> >>Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, >but with a calm and relaxed mind. > > I am not able to understand this state. if person is neither happy nor sad, then what kind of state of mind he/she is in?> > is it dullness? or there is some exalted state which can be defined as supremely happy state always or is it a great peacefullness? i have read that Swami Vivekananda and other brother desciples used to display many a times expression of extreme emotions such as anger, cry, heated arguments etc... did not they reach Sthithpragya state?> > Is it that a spiritually elevated person needs to have a blank face? without any display of emotions?> > > ***> another question is regarding Karma(Action and Reaction)> > Take a case - somebody, say a rawdy person Slaps a person 'x'. Mr. X didn't do any wrong. now in this case, what should X be doing. should he take the Slap and go away from there thinking that it was a result of his past Karma or he should give back the same medicine to the abuser.> > In either of the above options, how Mr. X can remain (act) without detachment.how such state can be achieved. however we say that we should do detached karma, it does not seem possible. how to achieve that?> > it looks very difficult to understand.> > Best Regards,> > Utpal > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>>>> Namaste,>> >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in the greater Boston area too?>> >> * * *>> >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and being pushing back as a reaction.>> >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction later.>> >> * * *>> >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of I-ness in this life.>> >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does not stop Nature from doing its job.>> >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of "I am doing this") as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and judgment will guide you better and show you the right action.>> >> Best regards,>> Narasimha>> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> >> >> - >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM>> Karma>> >> > Dear Narsimhaji,>> >>> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral frame >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune?>> >>> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few years >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of his >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her recent >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt it >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. His >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have two >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe of >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy?>> >>> > Regards,>> > <name deleted for privacy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Namaskaram to all, Thank you Narasimha garu for explaining beautifully how karma works and for me it tells me how it unfolds. I have always wondered at how 'experiences' (mostly karmic and thus payback) seek me out. Mother always said (paraphrased)" do not ask "why me"?? it is because you have asked for it". I have always believed it, but it astounds me what have I done to reap so much of it and in such a short span, is it because of how much more has to *take fruit*?? I did realise some years ago that what occurs has a meaning though not apparent to you/ or at the moment. I would think that Jyotish did nudge me down that path. But as Utpal Bhai said earlier to know your Dharma consequential to an action demanding your action/attention is very difficult and crucial in determining future karmas. It is also a Divine blessing if you could figure out what ought to be your karma at that point in time rather than reflect and introspect later, though that in itself is a beginning. After lamenting on various aspects which have proved not congenial to spiritual development, I have let some matters be( on advice from Narasimha garu through various messages, each one answers so many of my unspoken questions). It has given me a lot of peace *inside*. Additionally it has given me the onus to revel and rejoice in the blessings that The Divine Mother has bestowed on me ( though I try hard to not feel any sense of joy in having been a recipient). I still find it hard to disassociate myself from 'owning' the 'doership' if I do it at the completion of the task. I find it easier when I start a task, envisaging myself as Her Instrument and being a custodian or 'performing' what Her Will is. But I find it extremely difficult and have to constantly remind myself that I am merely an 'agent', especially when some task is well accomplished. One doubt that lingers on , Narasimha Garu , would you please clarify??? I always try to complete/perform a task to the best of my ability and like to set myself high standards, would that in itself be incipient egoism? To sit back and perform an assigned task, even mundane like cooking a meal, singing a song, a routine task at work, slip into mediocrity is not acceptable to me. Is that not taking ownership of success/failure? Sometimes I feel a hypocrite when I feel a wee bit happy and have to consciously hold back and thank Her for 'making ' me do that task. Kind regards Nalini Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Sent: Monday, 27 April, 2009 2:14:47 PM Re: How Karma Works Namaste, (1) Display of emotions is different from feeling emotions. Saints like Sai Baba and Ramakrishna acted angry sometimes, but I am sure they did not feel any anger in their heart. It is not about how you come across to others. It is about how you feel inside. A person who achieved sthitaprajnata feels the same way whether good things happen or bad things happen. He is not dull. He may look happy, sad, angry and calm at different times, but his heart does not feel much emotion and in a calm and stable state alwats. "Yoga Vaasishtham" is a good book to read to understand various aspects related to sthitaprajnata. But, more than understanding that state, it is important to make progress towards reaching that state oneself. Not thinking too much about what others do to you is a good starting point. (2) One should always do one's dharma (right action). What Mr X should do in this specific case depends on his dharma. The tasks assigned to Mr X by nature may require him to ignore the distraction posed by the rowdy person and focus on his main task. In another case, the tasks assigned to Mr X by nature may require him to beat up this aggressor and show something to some people. Either could be correct. Right action changes from person to person and situation to situation. However, as long as Mr X thinks "this person unfairly hit me. I should take revenge" and takes action based on that thinking, he will be stuck and what Nature expecs from him will not be clear to him. One who does not have a dense ego can mostly know what Nautre expects from one, do the right actions and pay off karmik debts. One who has a dense ego, which keeps interfering with one's sense of dharma, will be lost and engaging in unnecessary acts which increase the debts instead of reducing them. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ > <> Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:22 PM Re: How Karma Works > Namaste Rao Garu,> > There are few questions-> >>Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, >but with a calm and relaxed mind. > > I am not able to understand this state. if person is neither happy nor sad, then what kind of state of mind he/she is in?> > is it dullness? or there is some exalted state which can be defined as supremely happy state always or is it a great peacefullness? i have read that Swami Vivekananda and other brother desciples used to display many a times expression of extreme emotions such as anger, cry, heated arguments etc... did not they reach Sthithpragya state?> > Is it that a spiritually elevated person needs to have a blank face? without any display of emotions?> > > ***> another question is regarding Karma(Action and Reaction)> > Take a case - somebody, say a rawdy person Slaps a person 'x'. Mr. X didn't do any wrong. now in this case, what should X be doing. should he take the Slap and go away from there thinking that it was a result of his past Karma or he should give back the same medicine to the abuser.> > In either of the above options, how Mr. X can remain (act) without detachment.how such state can be achieved. however we say that we should do detached karma, it does not seem possible. how to achieve that?> > it looks very difficult to understand.> > Best Regards,> > Utpal > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>>>> Namaste,>> >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in the greater Boston area too?>> >> * * *>> >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and being pushing back as a reaction.>> >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction later.>> >> * * *>> >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of I-ness in this life.>> >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does not stop Nature from doing its job.>> >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of "I am doing this") as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and judgment will guide you better and show you the right action.>> >> Best regards,>> Narasimha>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------->> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> >> - >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM>> Karma>> >> > Dear Narsimhaji,>> >>> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral frame >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune?>> >>> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few years >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of his >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her recent >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt it >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. His >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have two >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe of >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy?>> >>> > Regards,>> > <name deleted for privacy> Get fit, feel better! 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Respected Narasimhaji I have one theoritical doubt about how karma works. From a logical point of view I could not understand one part. Consider the example that you have given. Say A gets cheated by B in one life time, so by the law of Karma, A gets to cheat B in a later lifetime. If A choses not to cheat B, inspite of all provocations, does it break the cycle of action/reactions between A and B? I mean one person breaking away is enough to end the mutual karmas in this regard? If two people hate each other, and one of them decides to end his hate for the other person, but the other person does not reciprocate the same feelings, then will the cycle end? The more I think about Karma the more I understand it is impossible to understand how deep its links flow. No human mind can run that deep. Happy Akshaya Tritiya to one and all! -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Mon, 27/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: How Karma Works Date: Monday, 27 April, 2009, 3:44 AM Namaste,If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things happening simultaneously:(1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created a situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed that person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so.(2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in the action while identifying with the action ("I am doing it"), he now gets a new karma. He will be paid back later.Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid back for what you did before.* * *In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does something to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think "why does it have to happen to me". Think only about your current action ("what is the best thing for me to do NOW?") and do NOT think about what happened, why it happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair.The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do so. You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ("I am doing") will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on himself with a previous action.If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and surrendering the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we live in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most troublesome karmas to a later time.When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who is not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So you can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "kritels" <kritels (AT) grouply (DOT) com><>Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM Re: How Karma Works> Sri Narasimha Garu,>> Thanks you for the beautiful explanation.>> I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned:>> is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all reaction > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this.> To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > his action than a reaction of our old karmas.> In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not fight > back?>> Thanks> KK>> , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr > wrote:>>>> Namaste,>>>> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in >> the greater Boston area too?>>>> * * *>>>> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and >> being pushing back as a reaction.>>>> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction >> later.>>>> * * *>>>> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of >> I-ness in this life.>>>> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does >> not stop Nature from doing its job.>>>> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of "I am doing >> this") as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action.>>>> Best regards,>> Narasimha>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - >>>> - >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM>> Karma>>>> > Dear Narsimhaji,>> >>> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral >> > frame>> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune?>> >>> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few >> > years>> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very>> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of >> > his>> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person>> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her >> > recent>> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body>> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and>> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt >> > it>> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. >> > His>> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have >> > two>> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe >> > of>> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he>> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy?>> >>> > Regards,>> > <name deleted for privacy> Now surf faster and smarter ! 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Namaste, >Of course, you can also postpone the payback through the use of >your *will power*, i.e. avoid the temptation and not do the bad >thing to the other person. As long as we live in a body, some >karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion,self-control >and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most >troublesome karmas to a later time. Please explain this paragraph in more detail. calling the strong will to counter the desire to do the bad thing towards other person will ONLY POSTPONE the Karma? (not break the chain?). If it only postpones the Karma phala at later date then the successful excertion of Self control & Will is not of any use in the final analysis. please explain Narasimha! these chain seems to be going towards wonderful and satisfying conclusions. solving the riddles of one of the most complicated issue. You also tell us about the state which Sthitprgya always enjoys! A very happy Akshay Tritiya to everybody Warm Regards, Utpal , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things > happening simultaneously: > > (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created a > situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed that > person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so. > > (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the > opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in the > action while identifying with the action ( " I am doing it " ), he now gets a > new karma. He will be paid back later. > > Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification > and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid > back for what you did before. > > * * * > > In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does something > to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think " why does it > have to happen to me " . Think only about your current action ( " what is the > best thing for me to do NOW? " ) and do NOT think about what happened, why it > happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair. > > The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back > somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do so. > You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But > remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ( " I am > doing " ) will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on > himself with a previous action. > > If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and surrendering > the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is > very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also > postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the > temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we live > in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, > self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most > troublesome karmas to a later time. > > When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who is > not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So you > can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large > extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " kritels " <kritels > > Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM > Re: How Karma Works > > > > Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. > > > > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: > > > > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all reaction > > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. > > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > > his action than a reaction of our old karmas. > > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not fight > > back? > > > > Thanks > > KK > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Namaste, > >> > >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed > >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in > >> the greater Boston area too? > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and > >> being pushing back as a reaction. > >> > >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes > >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is > >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. > >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is > >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has > >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and > >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction > >> later. > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does > >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds > >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like > >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so > >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of > >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If > >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from > >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So > >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets > >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and > >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature > >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to > >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature > >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of > >> I-ness in this life. > >> > >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will > >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that > >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an > >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being > >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend > >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's > >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver > >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of > >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or > >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels > >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should > >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated > >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How > >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction > >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does > >> not stop Nature from doing its job. > >> > >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, > >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous > >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His > >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it > >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that > >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and > >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose > >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current > >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction > >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you > >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes > >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed > >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at > >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing > >> this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and > >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > >> Karma > >> > >> > Dear Narsimhaji, > >> > > >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral > >> > frame > >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > >> > > >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few > >> > years > >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of > >> > his > >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person > >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her > >> > recent > >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt > >> > it > >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. > >> > His > >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have > >> > two > >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe > >> > of > >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he > >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > <name deleted for privacy> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Namaste Narasimha & Rajarshi, I wish to add or say Echo the same thing in different words. Please Consider this - A Cheats B (Say for the instance that Cycle started now) Next time B gets the oppotunity and strong desire to cheat A and B does it with sense of EGO and enjoys that rvenge. Now if A accepts it calmly and naturally without any sadness and without any emotions of hatred towards B -Now then i feel that A is out of the perticular cycle but what about B. B did the cheating revengefully and enjoyed it although it was the reaction only. SO WHAT ABOUT B? is he out of cycle. What i am thinking in the above case is that Though B is also out of that specific cycle in relation to A but here he Unconsciously gets the Impressions stamped in his Chitta due to his/hers egoistic reaction (Cheating A) and that Samskaar will some time in future triggered by some opportunity will compel or tempt him/her to cheat or do some wrong things to some other person and get entangled in to new chain. I feel that Egoistic reactions gets accumulated in to Samskaaras (Mental conditioning) which then never allows most people to break free from the chain of cause & effect web. Have i understood correctly? Warm Regards, Utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Respected Narasimhaji > > I have one theoritical doubt about how karma works. From a logical point of view I could not understand one part. Consider the example that you have given. Say A gets cheated by B in one life time, so by the law of Karma, A gets to cheat B in a later lifetime. If A choses not to cheat B, inspite of all provocations, does it break the cycle of action/reactions between A and B? > > I mean one person breaking away is enough to end the mutual karmas in this regard? > > If two people hate each other, and one of them decides to end his hate for the other person, but the other person does not reciprocate the same feelings, then will the cycle end? > > The more I think about Karma the more I understand it is impossible to understand how deep its links flow. No human mind can run that deep. > > Happy Akshaya Tritiya to one and all! > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Mon, 27/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > Re: How Karma Works > > Monday, 27 April, 2009, 3:44 AM > > Namaste, > > If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things > happening simultaneously: > > (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created a > situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed that > person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so. > > (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the > opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in the > action while identifying with the action ( " I am doing it " ), he now gets a > new karma. He will be paid back later. > > Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification > and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid > back for what you did before. > > * * * > > In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does something > to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think " why does it > have to happen to me " . Think only about your current action ( " what is the > best thing for me to do NOW? " ) and do NOT think about what happened, why it > happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair. > > The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back > somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do so. > You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But > remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ( " I am > doing " ) will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on > himself with a previous action. > > If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and surrendering > the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is > very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also > postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the > temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we live > in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, > self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most > troublesome karmas to a later time. > > When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who is > not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So you > can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large > extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > " kritels " <kritels (AT) grouply (DOT) com> > <> > Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM > Re: How Karma Works > > > Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. > > > > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: > > > > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all reaction > > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. > > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > > his action than a reaction of our old karmas. > > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not fight > > back? > > > > Thanks > > KK > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Namaste, > >> > >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed > >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in > >> the greater Boston area too? > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and > >> being pushing back as a reaction. > >> > >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes > >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is > >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. > >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is > >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has > >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and > >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction > >> later. > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does > >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds > >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like > >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so > >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of > >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If > >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from > >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So > >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets > >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and > >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature > >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to > >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature > >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of > >> I-ness in this life. > >> > >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will > >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that > >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an > >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being > >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend > >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's > >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver > >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of > >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or > >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels > >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should > >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated > >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How > >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction > >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does > >> not stop Nature from doing its job. > >> > >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, > >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous > >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His > >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it > >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that > >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and > >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose > >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current > >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction > >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you > >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes > >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed > >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at > >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing > >> this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and > >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > >> > >> - > >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > >> Karma > >> > >> > Dear Narsimhaji, > >> > > >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral > >> > frame > >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > >> > > >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few > >> > years > >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of > >> > his > >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person > >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her > >> > recent > >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt > >> > it > >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. > >> > His > >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have > >> > two > >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe > >> > of > >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he > >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > <name deleted for privacy> > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Thanks for starting this wonderful thread. 1. I wonder if the karmin debts payback between exact two souls. If A does some thing to B, does B has to do the same thing to A in future? Does not the karma be passed on to the heirs (I do not mean heirs in strict sense)? 2. Do not the karma aggregate in any way? Let us say, A steals X amount from B, and C steals Y amount from A. In future B if B steals X-Y from A and Y from C, the karmic debts are paid back in totality. Is this a possibility? 3. If A is trying to cheat me, it can be: I cheated him in my past births and hence he is trying to payback. This could be a brand new cycle. In any case, if I know he could cheat me, and I have a way to avoid getting cheated, what should I do? Cheating has not significant if I do not feel sad. After all what is the definition of cheating? It may be much easier to cheat with out sense of doership as compared to getting cheated. One just have to strongly believe, it is God giving him the opportunity to cheat others. I wonder if doing wrong thing even with out sense of doership is acceptible? 4. Even the God could not escape the karma. Rama killed Vali from hiding, and he got the karma phalam from Angada who is reborn as hunter when Rama is reborn as Krishna. So, the karmic transactions may not be resticted betwween the same parties. Vishnu had to take the karma phala as Rama and be away from his wife. So, the not having the sense of ownership may not be the only factor. 5. Vivekananda talks about unattached karma and niskama karma. A terrorist may be doing unattached karma as he believes God wants him and makes him do what he does. He/she may be unattached the consequences of what they do. How ever, they have a strong desire to go to heaver as they believe strongly that God will grant them heaven. 6. With all the explanation, I am not clear how Sadhana can burn the karma faster and how we can take others karma phala. Best regards, Vijay , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Namaste Narasimha & Rajarshi, > > I wish to add or say Echo the same thing in different words. > > Please Consider this - > > A Cheats B (Say for the instance that Cycle started now) > Next time B gets the oppotunity and strong desire to cheat A and B does it with sense of EGO and enjoys that rvenge. > Now if A accepts it calmly and naturally without any sadness and without any emotions of hatred towards B -Now then i feel that A is out of the perticular cycle but what about B. B did the cheating revengefully and enjoyed it although it was the reaction only. SO WHAT ABOUT B? is he out of cycle. > > What i am thinking in the above case is that Though B is also out of that specific cycle in relation to A but here he Unconsciously gets the Impressions stamped in his Chitta due to his/hers egoistic reaction (Cheating A) and that Samskaar will some time in future triggered by some opportunity will compel or tempt him/her to cheat or do some wrong things to some other person and get entangled in to new chain. > > I feel that Egoistic reactions gets accumulated in to Samskaaras (Mental conditioning) which then never allows most people to break free from the chain of cause & effect web. > > Have i understood correctly? > > Warm Regards, > > Utpal > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> wrote: > > > > Respected Narasimhaji > > � > > I have one theoritical doubt about how karma works. From a logical point of view I could not understand one part. Consider the example that you have given. Say A gets cheated by B in one life time, so by the law of Karma, A gets to cheat B in a later lifetime.� If A choses not to cheat B, inspite of all provocations, does it break the cycle of action/reactions between A and B? > > � > > I mean one person breaking away is enough to end the mutual karmas in this regard? > > � > > If two people hate each other, and one of them decides to end his hate for the other person, but the other person does not reciprocate the same feelings, then will the cycle end? > > � > > The more I think about Karma the more I understand it is impossible to understand how deep its links flow. No human mind can run that deep. > > � > > Happy Akshaya Tritiya to one and all! > > � > > -Regards > > �Rajarshi > > � > > > > > > � > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Mon, 27/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > Re: How Karma Works > > > > Monday, 27 April, 2009, 3:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things > > happening simultaneously: > > > > (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created a > > situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed that > > person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so. > > > > (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the > > opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in the > > action while identifying with the action ( " I am doing it " ), he now gets a > > new karma. He will be paid back later. > > > > Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification > > and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid > > back for what you did before. > > > > * * * > > > > In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does something > > to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think " why does it > > have to happen to me " . Think only about your current action ( " what is the > > best thing for me to do NOW? " ) and do NOT think about what happened, why it > > happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair. > > > > The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back > > somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do so. > > You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But > > remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ( " I am > > doing " ) will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on > > himself with a previous action. > > > > If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and surrendering > > the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is > > very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also > > postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the > > temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we live > > in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, > > self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most > > troublesome karmas to a later time. > > > > When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who is > > not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So you > > can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large > > extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > - > > " kritels " <kritels (AT) grouply (DOT) com> > > <> > > Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM > > Re: How Karma Works > > > > > Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > > > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. > > > > > > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: > > > > > > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all reaction > > > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. > > > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > > > his action than a reaction of our old karmas. > > > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > > > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not fight > > > back? > > > > > > Thanks > > > KK > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Namaste, > > >> > > >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am impressed > > >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in > > >> the greater Boston area too? > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something and > > >> being pushing back as a reaction. > > >> > > >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object pushes > > >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is > > >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push again. > > >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That is > > >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has > > >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist and > > >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its reaction > > >> later. > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does > > >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds > > >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like > > >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants so > > >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of > > >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). If > > >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound from > > >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So > > >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and gets > > >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and > > >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature > > >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to > > >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, Nature > > >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of > > >> I-ness in this life. > > >> > > >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will > > >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that > > >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an > > >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being > > >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend > > >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's > > >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver > > >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result of > > >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or > > >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's good > > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one feels > > >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one should > > >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's bad > > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated > > >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How > > >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction > > >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm does > > >> not stop Nature from doing its job. > > >> > > >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening now, > > >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a previous > > >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His > > >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it > > >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for that > > >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and > > >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, suppose > > >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your current > > >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction > > >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you > > >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever comes > > >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and relaxed > > >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at > > >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing > > >> this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and > > >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Narasimha > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > >> > > >> - > > >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > > >> Karma > > >> > > >> > Dear Narsimhaji, > > >> > > > >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral > > >> > frame > > >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > > >> > > > >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few > > >> > years > > >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > > >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all of > > >> > his > > >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual person > > >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her > > >> > recent > > >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > > >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > > >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks felt > > >> > it > > >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable mind. > > >> > His > > >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they have > > >> > two > > >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe > > >> > of > > >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if he > > >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > <name deleted for privacy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Namaste, First, answer to Rajarshi: If A gets an opportunity to pay back a bad thing to B but resists the temptation, then the payback is postponed. A will get a similar opportunity later (possibly in another life). At that time, he can either do the bad thing to B or resist the temptation again and postpone further. If A becomes a jeevanmukta by then, i.e. one who is liberated while living and engaging in actions without any sense of I-ness, then he can pay back the bad thing without incurring further karmas. If A got moksha and got out of the game, then A is fine but B still has that karma pending. Nature will find a stubstitute to pay back this karma to B. That person will get an opportunity to do the bad thing to B. When I say paying back, please note that the action and reaction are not necessarily identical, but they are compatible. Now, answer to Utpal: A is out of cycle as he accepted what happened and B has a bad karma. Either A or a substitute will get a chance to pay back that bad karma to B later. If A succumbs to the temptation when he gets an opportunity later to pay back, he is back in the cycle. You do something to someone. They pay you back. The cycle is done. If they identified with the action of payback, it becomes new karma for them. You will again get a chance to pay back them again. If you do (and identify with the action), you are back in the cycle. And so on. It is quite complex. But the key to getting out of the cycle is: accepting what happens to you, being good to others and overcoming ego and the sense of " I am doing " . * * * Karma is not just good and bad things we do to people. It is also the thoughts entertained by the mind. Suppose you see a nice car and think " how I wish I had such a car " . Any action or thought that has some force behind it becomes a karma and gets a reaction from Nature. When your punya balance is sufficient in a future life, Nature will give you such a car, whether or not you want it in that life! You may not know why you got it, but you got it because you asked for it earlier. Nature is like a bank which keeps track of your wish list and your debt list. It automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay back your debts and it automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay for things on your wish list. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak Monday, April 27, 2009 8:36 AM Re: How Karma Works Namaste Narasimha & Rajarshi, I wish to add or say Echo the same thing in different words. Please Consider this - A Cheats B (Say for the instance that Cycle started now) Next time B gets the oppotunity and strong desire to cheat A and B does it with sense of EGO and enjoys that rvenge. Now if A accepts it calmly and naturally without any sadness and without any emotions of hatred towards B -Now then i feel that A is out of the perticular cycle but what about B. B did the cheating revengefully and enjoyed it although it was the reaction only. SO WHAT ABOUT B? is he out of cycle. What i am thinking in the above case is that Though B is also out of that specific cycle in relation to A but here he Unconsciously gets the Impressions stamped in his Chitta due to his/hers egoistic reaction (Cheating A) and that Samskaar will some time in future triggered by some opportunity will compel or tempt him/her to cheat or do some wrong things to some other person and get entangled in to new chain. I feel that Egoistic reactions gets accumulated in to Samskaaras (Mental conditioning) which then never allows most people to break free from the chain of cause & effect web. Have i understood correctly? Warm Regards, Utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Respected Narasimhaji > > I have one theoritical doubt about how karma works. From a logical point > of view I could not understand one part. Consider the example that you > have given. Say A gets cheated by B in one life time, so by the law of > Karma, A gets to cheat B in a later lifetime. If A choses not to cheat B, > inspite of all provocations, does it break the cycle of action/reactions > between A and B? > > I mean one person breaking away is enough to end the mutual karmas in this > regard? > > If two people hate each other, and one of them decides to end his hate for > the other person, but the other person does not reciprocate the same > feelings, then will the cycle end? > > The more I think about Karma the more I understand it is impossible to > understand how deep its links flow. No human mind can run that deep. > > Happy Akshaya Tritiya to one and all! > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Mon, 27/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > Re: How Karma Works > > Monday, 27 April, 2009, 3:44 AM > > Namaste, > > If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things > happening simultaneously: > > (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created > a > situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed > that > person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so. > > (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the > opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in > the > action while identifying with the action ( " I am doing it " ), he now gets a > new karma. He will be paid back later. > > Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification > and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid > back for what you did before. > > * * * > > In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does > something > to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think " why does it > have to happen to me " . Think only about your current action ( " what is the > best thing for me to do NOW? " ) and do NOT think about what happened, why > it > happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair. > > The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back > somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do > so. > You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But > remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ( " I am > doing " ) will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on > himself with a previous action. > > If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and > surrendering > the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is > very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also > postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the > temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we > live > in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, > self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most > troublesome karmas to a later time. > > When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who > is > not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So > you > can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large > extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > " kritels " <kritels (AT) grouply (DOT) com> > <> > Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM > Re: How Karma Works > > > Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. > > > > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: > > > > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all > > reaction > > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. > > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > > his action than a reaction of our old karmas. > > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not > > fight > > back? > > > > Thanks > > KK > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Namaste, > >> > >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am > >> impressed > >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in > >> the greater Boston area too? > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something > >> and > >> being pushing back as a reaction. > >> > >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object > >> pushes > >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is > >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push > >> again. > >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That > >> is > >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has > >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist > >> and > >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its > >> reaction > >> later. > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does > >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds > >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like > >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants > >> so > >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of > >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). > >> If > >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound > >> from > >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So > >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and > >> gets > >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and > >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature > >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to > >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, > >> Nature > >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of > >> I-ness in this life. > >> > >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will > >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that > >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an > >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being > >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend > >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's > >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver > >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result > >> of > >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or > >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's > >> good > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one > >> feels > >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one > >> should > >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's > >> bad > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated > >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How > >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction > >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm > >> does > >> not stop Nature from doing its job. > >> > >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening > >> now, > >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a > >> previous > >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His > >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it > >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for > >> that > >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and > >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, > >> suppose > >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your > >> current > >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction > >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you > >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever > >> comes > >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and > >> relaxed > >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at > >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing > >> this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and > >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > >> > >> - > >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > >> Karma > >> > >> > Dear Narsimhaji, > >> > > >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral > >> > frame > >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > >> > > >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few > >> > years > >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all > >> > of > >> > his > >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual > >> > person > >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her > >> > recent > >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks > >> > felt > >> > it > >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable > >> > mind. > >> > His > >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they > >> > have > >> > two > >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe > >> > of > >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if > >> > he > >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > <name deleted for privacy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Namaste Narasimhaji I think I understood the mistake I was making in my understanding on how karma works. So basically, there is no escape. With will power I can postpone it, but cannot avoid it. So the idea is to postpone it untill I can achieve a state of ddetachment, however many lifetimes it may take. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 28/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: How Karma Works Date: Tuesday, 28 April, 2009, 8:19 AM Namaste,First, answer to Rajarshi: If A gets an opportunity to pay back a bad thing to B but resists the temptation, then the payback is postponed. A will get a similar opportunity later (possibly in another life). At that time, he can either do the bad thing to B or resist the temptation again and postpone further. If A becomes a jeevanmukta by then, i.e. one who is liberated while living and engaging in actions without any sense of I-ness, then he can pay back the bad thing without incurring further karmas. If A got moksha and got out of the game, then A is fine but B still has that karma pending. Nature will find a stubstitute to pay back this karma to B. That person will get an opportunity to do the bad thing to B.When I say paying back, please note that the action and reaction are not necessarily identical, but they are compatible.Now, answer to Utpal: A is out of cycle as he accepted what happened and B has a bad karma. Either A or a substitute will get a chance to pay back that bad karma to B later. If A succumbs to the temptation when he gets an opportunity later to pay back, he is back in the cycle.You do something to someone. They pay you back. The cycle is done. If they identified with the action of payback, it becomes new karma for them. You will again get a chance to pay back them again. If you do (and identify with the action), you are back in the cycle. And so on.It is quite complex. But the key to getting out of the cycle is: accepting what happens to you, being good to others and overcoming ego and the sense of "I am doing".* * *Karma is not just good and bad things we do to people. It is also the thoughts entertained by the mind. Suppose you see a nice car and think "how I wish I had such a car". Any action or thought that has some force behind it becomes a karma and gets a reaction from Nature. When your punya balance is sufficient in a future life, Nature will give you such a car, whether or not you want it in that life! You may not know why you got it, but you got it because you asked for it earlier.Nature is like a bank which keeps track of your wish list and your debt list. It automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay back your debts and it automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay for things on your wish list.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ ><>Monday, April 27, 2009 8:36 AM Re: How Karma WorksNamaste Narasimha & Rajarshi,I wish to add or say Echo the same thing in different words.Please Consider this -A Cheats B (Say for the instance that Cycle started now)Next time B gets the oppotunity and strong desire to cheat A and B does it with sense of EGO and enjoys that rvenge.Now if A accepts it calmly and naturally without any sadness and without any emotions of hatred towards B -Now then i feel that A is out of the perticular cycle but what about B. B did the cheating revengefully and enjoyed it although it was the reaction only. SO WHAT ABOUT B? is he out of cycle.What i am thinking in the above case is that Though B is also out of that specific cycle in relation to A but here he Unconsciously gets the Impressions stamped in his Chitta due to his/hers egoistic reaction (Cheating A) and that Samskaar will some time in future triggered by some opportunity will compel or tempt him/her to cheat or do some wrong things to some other person and get entangled in to new chain.I feel that Egoistic reactions gets accumulated in to Samskaaras (Mental conditioning) which then never allows most people to break free from the chain of cause & effect web.Have i understood correctly?Warm Regards,Utpal, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Narasimhaji>> I have one theoritical doubt about how karma works. From a logical point > of view I could not understand one part. Consider the example that you > have given. Say A gets cheated by B in one life time, so by the law of > Karma, A gets to cheat B in a later lifetime. If A choses not to cheat B, > inspite of all provocations, does it break the cycle of action/reactions > between A and B?>> I mean one person breaking away is enough to end the mutual karmas in this > regard?>> If two people hate each other, and one of them decides to end his hate for > the other person, but the other person does not reciprocate the same > feelings, then will the cycle end?>> The more I think about Karma the more I understand it is impossible to > understand how deep its links flow. No human mind can run that deep.>> Happy Akshaya Tritiya to one and all!>> -Regards> Rajarshi>>> The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra>> --- On Mon, 27/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:>> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> Re: How Karma Works> > Monday, 27 April, 2009, 3:44 AM>>>>>>>>> Namaste,>> If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things> happening simultaneously:>> (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created > a> situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed > that> person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so.>> (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the> opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in > the> action while identifying with the action ("I am doing it"), he now gets a> new karma. He will be paid back later.>> Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification> and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid> back for what you did before.>> * * *>> In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does > something> to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think "why does it> have to happen to me". Think only about your current action ("what is the> best thing for me to do NOW?") and do NOT think about what happened, why > it> happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair.>> The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back> somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do > so.> You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But> remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ("I am> doing") will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on> himself with a previous action.>> If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and > surrendering> the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is> very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also> postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the> temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we > live> in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion,> self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most> troublesome karmas to a later time.>> When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who > is> not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So > you> can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large> extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things.>> Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->> - > "kritels" <kritels (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> <>> Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM> Re: How Karma Works>> > Sri Narasimha Garu,> >> > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation.> >> > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned:> >> > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all > > reaction> > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this.> > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as> > his action than a reaction of our old karmas.> > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should> > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not > > fight> > back?> >> > Thanks> > KK> >> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > wrote:> >>> >> Namaste,> >>> >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am > >> impressed> >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in> >> the greater Boston area too?> >>> >> * * *> >>> >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something > >> and> >> being pushing back as a reaction.> >>> >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object > >> pushes> >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is> >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push > >> again.> >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That > >> is> >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has> >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist > >> and> >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its > >> reaction> >> later.> >>> >> * * *> >>> >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does> >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds> >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like> >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants > >> so> >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of> >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). > >> If> >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound > >> from> >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So> >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and > >> gets> >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and> >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature> >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to> >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, > >> Nature> >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of> >> I-ness in this life.> >>> >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will> >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that> >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an> >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being> >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend> >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's> >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver> >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result > >> of> >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or> >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's > >> good> >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one > >> feels> >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one > >> should> >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's > >> bad> >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated> >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How> >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction> >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm > >> does> >> not stop Nature from doing its job.> >>> >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening > >> now,> >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a > >> previous> >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His> >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it> >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for > >> that> >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and> >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, > >> suppose> >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your > >> current> >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction> >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you> >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever > >> comes> >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and > >> relaxed> >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at> >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of "I am doing> >> this") as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and> >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action.> >>> >> Best regards,> >> Narasimha> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> >>> >> - > >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM> >> Karma> >>> >> > Dear Narsimhaji,> >> >> >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral> >> > frame> >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune?> >> >> >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few> >> > years> >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very> >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all > >> > of> >> > his> >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual > >> > person> >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her> >> > recent> >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body> >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and> >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks > >> > felt> >> > it> >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable > >> > mind.> >> > His> >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they > >> > have> >> > two> >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe> >> > of> >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if > >> > he> >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy?> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> > <name deleted for privacy> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Namsate Narasimhaji One of my close friend is very upset from lat 7-8 years with the events happened in his life. I tried to console him but failed. Yesterday I posted him all the profound explanation given by you " HOW KARMA WORKS " . Below is his reply, I am not capable to answer him So i am pasting his reponse so that you can reflect some light on that. ****************His Resonse****************** vishal, Dont u think this KARMA theory is like " MAN SHOULD BEHAVE LIKE ROBOT " No happiness no sadness. they should do all the good things. so why GOD created human being, he should have created ROBOTS, ROBOTS whi in turn wil create more ROBOT. When ther eill be only machine, there will not be EMOTIONS. what was the rational behaind creating this junk creature " HUMAN " I've answer " GOD BECOMES HAPPY WHEN HE SEES PEOPLE CRYING, IF PEOPLE WILL CRY, THEY WILL PRAY THIS JUNK SO CALLED GOD " I dont think there should be no place of emotions in life. i people love someone, how he/she can without emotion?? LIFE without LOVE and emotion is like DEAD, as its my life. ************************************************************* regards Vishal Sharma , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > First, answer to Rajarshi: If A gets an opportunity to pay back a bad thing > to B but resists the temptation, then the payback is postponed. A will get a > similar opportunity later (possibly in another life). At that time, he can > either do the bad thing to B or resist the temptation again and postpone > further. If A becomes a jeevanmukta by then, i.e. one who is liberated while > living and engaging in actions without any sense of I-ness, then he can pay > back the bad thing without incurring further karmas. If A got moksha and got > out of the game, then A is fine but B still has that karma pending. Nature > will find a stubstitute to pay back this karma to B. That person will get an > opportunity to do the bad thing to B. > > When I say paying back, please note that the action and reaction are not > necessarily identical, but they are compatible. > > Now, answer to Utpal: A is out of cycle as he accepted what happened and B > has a bad karma. Either A or a substitute will get a chance to pay back that > bad karma to B later. If A succumbs to the temptation when he gets an > opportunity later to pay back, he is back in the cycle. > > You do something to someone. They pay you back. The cycle is done. If they > identified with the action of payback, it becomes new karma for them. You > will again get a chance to pay back them again. If you do (and identify with > the action), you are back in the cycle. And so on. > > It is quite complex. But the key to getting out of the cycle is: accepting > what happens to you, being good to others and overcoming ego and the sense > of " I am doing " . > > * * * > > Karma is not just good and bad things we do to people. It is also the > thoughts entertained by the mind. Suppose you see a nice car and think " how > I wish I had such a car " . Any action or thought that has some force behind > it becomes a karma and gets a reaction from Nature. When your punya balance > is sufficient in a future life, Nature will give you such a car, whether or > not you want it in that life! You may not know why you got it, but you got > it because you asked for it earlier. > > Nature is like a bank which keeps track of your wish list and your debt > list. It automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay back your > debts and it automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay for > things on your wish list. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak > > Monday, April 27, 2009 8:36 AM > Re: How Karma Works > > > Namaste Narasimha & Rajarshi, > > I wish to add or say Echo the same thing in different words. > > Please Consider this - > > A Cheats B (Say for the instance that Cycle started now) > Next time B gets the oppotunity and strong desire to cheat A and B does it > with sense of EGO and enjoys that rvenge. > Now if A accepts it calmly and naturally without any sadness and without any > emotions of hatred towards B -Now then i feel that A is out of the > perticular cycle but what about B. B did the cheating revengefully and > enjoyed it although it was the reaction only. SO WHAT ABOUT B? is he out of > cycle. > > What i am thinking in the above case is that Though B is also out of that > specific cycle in relation to A but here he Unconsciously gets the > Impressions stamped in his Chitta due to his/hers egoistic reaction > (Cheating A) and that Samskaar will some time in future triggered by some > opportunity will compel or tempt him/her to cheat or do some wrong things to > some other person and get entangled in to new chain. > > I feel that Egoistic reactions gets accumulated in to Samskaaras (Mental > conditioning) which then never allows most people to break free from the > chain of cause & effect web. > > Have i understood correctly? > > Warm Regards, > > Utpal > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> wrote: > > > > Respected Narasimhaji > > > > I have one theoritical doubt about how karma works. From a logical point > > of view I could not understand one part. Consider the example that you > > have given. Say A gets cheated by B in one life time, so by the law of > > Karma, A gets to cheat B in a later lifetime. If A choses not to cheat B, > > inspite of all provocations, does it break the cycle of action/reactions > > between A and B? > > > > I mean one person breaking away is enough to end the mutual karmas in this > > regard? > > > > If two people hate each other, and one of them decides to end his hate for > > the other person, but the other person does not reciprocate the same > > feelings, then will the cycle end? > > > > The more I think about Karma the more I understand it is impossible to > > understand how deep its links flow. No human mind can run that deep. > > > > Happy Akshaya Tritiya to one and all! > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Mon, 27/4/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > Re: How Karma Works > > > > Monday, 27 April, 2009, 3:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > If someone is cheating you or hurting you now, there are two things > > happening simultaneously: > > > > (1) You cheated or hurt that person in a previous life. Nature has created > > a > > situation where it can be paid back. In other words, Nature has placed > > that > > person in a position to cheat or hurt you and tempted him to do so. > > > > (2) That person has succumbed to the temptation, i.e. he has used the > > opportunity provided by Nature. He cheats or hurts you. As he engages in > > the > > action while identifying with the action ( " I am doing it " ), he now gets a > > new karma. He will be paid back later. > > > > Both are correct. From his perspective, he is doing it with identification > > and he is incurring a new karma. From your perspective, you are being paid > > back for what you did before. > > > > * * * > > > > In order to break out of this cycle, accept it when somebody does > > something > > to you. Do not hate the person or pity yourself. Don't think " why does it > > have to happen to me " . Think only about your current action ( " what is the > > best thing for me to do NOW? " ) and do NOT think about what happened, why > > it > > happened, who did it and how things happening to you are unfair. > > > > The tricky thing is when Nature places you in a position to pay back > > somebody else's bad karma and creates a strong temptation for you to do > > so. > > You may feel a sudden urge from inside to do a bad thing to someone! But > > remember one thing. Any thought or action with a sense of doership ( " I am > > doing " ) will create a new karma, even if the other person brought it on > > himself with a previous action. > > > > If you can engage in an action without a sense of doership and > > surrendering > > the action to the Lord completely, you will not incur karma. But that is > > very very difficult - almost impossible for most. Of course, you can also > > postpone the payback through the use of your *will power*, i.e. avoid the > > temptation and not do the bad thing to the other person. As long as we > > live > > in a body, some karmas will need to be incurred. But good discretion, > > self-control and strong will power will enable one to postpone the most > > troublesome karmas to a later time. > > > > When the reactions to your previous karmas are paid back and through who > > is > > not in YOUR control. Nature and the will power of others decide that. So > > you > > can do nothing except accept what comes. But what you DO NOW is to a large > > extent under your control. Use your will power to do the right things. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > - > > " kritels " <kritels (AT) grouply (DOT) com> > > <> > > Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:19 PM > > Re: How Karma Works > > > > > Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > > > Thanks you for the beautiful explanation. > > > > > > I'm not very clear on some of the points you have mentioned: > > > > > > is it that everything that is happening to us in this life is all > > > reaction > > > to some of our past actions?it is difficult for me to understand this. > > > To me, it can also be that someone is pushing this suffering onto us as > > > his action than a reaction of our old karmas. > > > In any case, if we are getting cheated and we know it clearly why should > > > we sit back and just let things happen against us, why should we not > > > fight > > > back? > > > > > > Thanks > > > KK > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Namaste, > > >> > > >> Fantastic question! Before I answer it, I want to say that I am > > >> impressed > > >> with the decription of your friend. My pranaams to him. Does he live in > > >> the greater Boston area too? > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> Karma and karmaphala (action and reaction) are like pushing something > > >> and > > >> being pushing back as a reaction. > > >> > > >> When you karmically push an object with some force and that object > > >> pushes > > >> you back karmically with the same force at a later point of time, it is > > >> not necessary that you resist it and apply some more force to push > > >> again. > > >> You pushed it earlier. That is action. You are being pushed now. That > > >> is > > >> reaction. How you take this push and whether you resist or not has > > >> nothing to do with the old action and reaction balance. IF you resist > > >> and > > >> apply some force NOW, it becomes a new action which will get its > > >> reaction > > >> later. > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> Even a person of a high level of mental equanimity and stability does > > >> have an ego. Each living person has a limited ego (I-ness) which binds > > >> him to a body and an identity (e.g. PVR Narasimha Rao, who looks like > > >> this, who knows so and so things, who does so and so things, who wants > > >> so > > >> and so things, who is the husband of Padmaja, who is the father of > > >> Sriharini and Sriharish, who is the sishya of Manish Pandit etc etc). > > >> If > > >> the binding is completely removed and one becomes completely unbound > > >> from > > >> that limited sense of I-ness, one will no longer remain in the body. So > > >> any embodied being must have a limited ego (I-ness). As one dies and > > >> gets > > >> reborn, this ego (sense of I-ness) is cut off from one body and > > >> environment and re-attached to another body and environment. Nature > > >> tracks this change. Just as post office delivers all mail addressed to > > >> your old apartment to your new apartment when you change address, > > >> Nature > > >> delivers the reactions of all previous life actions to the sense of > > >> I-ness in this life. > > >> > > >> As long as one is embodied and has a sense of I-ness, Nature will > > >> continue to deliver the reactions to various previous actions from that > > >> being. Death of wife in an accident, getting an Oscar award, losing an > > >> election, being criticized by thousand people, being hit by wife, being > > >> abused by husband, being killed by a brother, being cheated by a friend > > >> etc etc are examples of reactions to previous actions. As long as one's > > >> sense of I-ness is bound to a body, Nature will continue to deliver > > >> reactions to previous actions. If one gets an Oscar award as a result > > >> of > > >> previous good karma, it is not necessary that one should be happy or > > >> excited or elated. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's > > >> good > > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction makes one happy. How one > > >> feels > > >> NOW is irrelevant. If one is cheated, it is not necessary that one > > >> should > > >> feel sad or angry. Do not think that a reaction from Nature to one's > > >> bad > > >> karma is meaningful only if that reaction disappoints him. You cheated > > >> someone. Nature will arrange such that that person cheats you now. How > > >> you feel about it now is not relevant as far as the old action-reaction > > >> equation is concerned. Thus, being equanimous, equal-minded and calm > > >> does > > >> not stop Nature from doing its job. > > >> > > >> In fact, it is better that way. By not reacting to what is happening > > >> now, > > >> one is preventing new karmas. Suppose you cheated a person in a > > >> previous > > >> life. Suppose Nature arranged for that person to cheat you now. His > > >> cheating you is merely a reaction to your own action (but if he does it > > >> with self-identification with the action, it becomes a new karma for > > >> that > > >> person. But, that is irrelevant to you). If you just face it calmly and > > >> without doing anything, you finish off your karmic debt. Instead, > > >> suppose > > >> you fight and try to stop the person from cheating you. Then your > > >> current > > >> actions would become a NEW karma and you will have to face its reaction > > >> later. If you want to pay off old debts without incurring new ones, you > > >> have to behave like the person you described below. Accept whatever > > >> comes > > >> your way with neither happiness nor sadness, but with a calm and > > >> relaxed > > >> mind. On top of it, keep doing what seems like the right thing to do at > > >> the moment, with as little self-identification (sense of " I am doing > > >> this " ) as possible. As you become better at this, your instincts and > > >> judgment will guide you better and show you the right action. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Narasimha > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > >> > > >> - > > >> Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:02 PM > > >> Karma > > >> > > >> > Dear Narsimhaji, > > >> > > > >> > How does one burn their karmas if they are able to be in a neutral > > >> > frame > > >> > of mind and not be affected by what is percieved as misfortune? > > >> > > > >> > A close family friend of ours lost his wife in a road accident a few > > >> > years > > >> > ago. Her head was crashed into a pulp right before his eyes. He very > > >> > calmly picked her up, took her to the hospital and took care of all > > >> > of > > >> > his > > >> > duties towards her and the family. His wife was a very spiritual > > >> > person > > >> > and so is he. Right before the accident, his wife told him of her > > >> > recent > > >> > meditation experience and that she would probably be leaving her body > > >> > soon. her husband never shed a tear and was in the utmost calm and > > >> > cheerful frame of mind even during the funeral process. Some folks > > >> > felt > > >> > it > > >> > to be a bit odd. He is a highly educated professor with a stable > > >> > mind. > > >> > His > > >> > wife and he shared a very high spiritual and mental bond and they > > >> > have > > >> > two > > >> > teenage sons. I have the utmost reverance towards him and also in awe > > >> > of > > >> > his spiritual level. My question is how would his karmas be burnt if > > >> > he > > >> > never feels the pain of such a perceived tragedy? > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > <name deleted for privacy> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Dear Sir, The Karma and its various aspect as explained are clarly understandable. From the following quote few question arises " Karma is not just good and bad things we do to people. It is also the thoughts entertained by the mind. Suppose you see a nice car and think " how I wish I had such a car " . Any action or thought that has some force behind it becomes a karma and gets a reaction from Nature. When your punya balance is sufficient in a future life, Nature will give you such a car, whether or not you want it in that life! You may not know why you got it, but you got it because you asked for it earlier. Nature is like a bank which keeps track of your wish list and your debt list. It automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay back your debts and it automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay for things on your wish list. " When we are small child we have various wish.... say unlimited some of which we remeber and some we may not. In the current life itself we find some wish fulfilled and some remain unfulfilled and some have been forgetten by the end of this cycle of life. Now, all those desire and thoughts which have force of our little childhood brain remain as our Karma to be carried by us? How to mitgate those? How the balance in the bank of the Nature for our wish list be withdrawn and debts be reduced in the present life cycle? Kindly enlighten Sincerely yours Ganesh Gulati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Namaste, Do not worry. Thoughts and desires without a strong force behind them are not a big problem. We engage in many of them. Small thoughts and desires without much force behind them are not a big problem. The desires and thoughts with a strong force behind them are the ones that block people. So try not to get attached to anything too much and desire anything so badly. Do your best at any point of time to get what you thing you should get or to do what you think you should do. But learn to accept whatever comes your way as a result and move on. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " gulatiganesh " <gulatiganesh Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:04 AM Re: How Karma Works > Dear Sir, > > The Karma and its various aspect as explained are clarly understandable. > From the following quote few question arises > > " Karma is not just good and bad things we do to people. It is also the > thoughts entertained by the mind. Suppose you see a nice car and think > " how I wish I had such a car " . Any action or thought that has some force > behind it becomes a karma and gets a reaction from Nature. When your punya > balance is sufficient in a future life, Nature will give you such a car, > whether or not you want it in that life! You may not know why you got it, > but you got it because you asked for it earlier. > > Nature is like a bank which keeps track of your wish list and your debt > list. It automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay back your > debts and it automatically withdraws from your karma account to pay for > things on your wish list. " > > When we are small child we have various wish.... say unlimited some of > which we remeber and some we may not. > > In the current life itself we find some wish fulfilled and some remain > unfulfilled and some have been forgetten by the end of this cycle of life. > > Now, all those desire and thoughts which have force of our little > childhood brain remain as our Karma to be carried by us? How to mitgate > those? How the balance in the bank of the Nature for our wish list be > withdrawn and debts be reduced in the present life cycle? > > Kindly enlighten > Sincerely yours > Ganesh Gulati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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