Riddle of Karma ?

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

> What is beyond this Pure Ego could be called the real Adwait. But

 

 

Dear Shan

 

I agree here with you fully on this.

 

Now a riddle of Karma for you and other members...It is in a light

mood so nothing to be taken seriously.

 

Wednesday, I was sipping tea from a nearby kiosk and noticed

that a gentleman forgot his mobile near the counter. I picked up

the mobile, which rang after 30 mnts and the person was enquiring

abt his phone. I assured him that his phone is in safe hand and he

can come back to the kiosk, which he left 30 mnts ago and collect it

from me... i told my clothes color and the gentleman came and took

his phone with thanks and i left with a sense of satisfication to

have helped someone.

 

The next day, my mobile phone, which i recently purchased from

Dubai, and which was very costly was snatched by some ruffians on a

busy red light in East Delhi.

 

 

How can this incident be explained with the help of Karma

Philosophy ??

 

love always

 

Aum

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Hari Om!

 

The following inference is possible from the incidents narrated by you:-

 

1) Your act of good samaritan does not immediately protect you from an act of

thievery from others; May be as your good acts inspire more and more people to

emulate your act and the value-system of the society improves, we should

expect the society free from such evil doers; Many foreign travellers to India,

in ancient times, speak in adulation about the value system in the ancient

India; society was practically free from thieves and the kings were particularly

severe with such wrong-doers. Now, we are one of the number one nations of

crooks; the society is full of thugs and goons. What a fall from an exalted

status of the society!

 

2)  Partly you also have to share the blame. A yogi is not one who is

completely oblivious of the people around him. He has to be beside himself with

all the happenings around him. Complete awareness is the hallmark of a yogi.

 

ulaganthan p

 

 

 

 

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aumji <no_reply >

Now a riddle of Karma for you and other members...It is in a light

mood so nothing to be taken seriously.

 

Wednesday, I was sipping tea from a nearby kiosk and noticed

that a gentleman forgot his mobile near the counter. I picked up

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

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> The next day, my mobile phone, which i recently purchased from

> Dubai, and which was very costly was snatched by some ruffians on a

> busy red light in East Delhi.

>

>

> How can this incident be explained with the help of Karma

> Philosophy ??

 

dont know why this happens to good people only. I actually wanted

to ask same question as such incidents keep happening with me and i

wondered as to why bad happens to good people only.

 

I wait eagerly the reply from wiser people

 

jaya

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HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

 

 

> The next day, my mobile phone, which i recently purchased from

> Dubai, and which was very costly was snatched by some ruffians on a

> busy red light in East Delhi.

>

>

> How can this incident be explained with the help of Karma

> Philosophy ??

>

>Thnaks Sir ji for sharing a beautifull contradictory incidents .

 

one should always has the back up of all the numbers

 

Both the sitiuation came to you as a result of the Present Karmas

which you are doing . it is a good sign that you are tested for the

duality of Karmas. I do not know what were your reactions on these

situations.

 

HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISAHN , HARE HARE

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

>> >Thnaks Sir ji for sharing a beautifull contradictory incidents .

>

I do not know what were your reactions on these

> situations.

>

>

 

My reaction was " I felt like Mother Yashoda who is angry with

Krishana for stealing butter " !!!!

 

I didnt put this incident to gain sympathy but to start a serious

discussion, as Jaya also is interested to know the reply

 

aummmm

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HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

>

> My reaction was " I felt like Mother Yashoda who is angry with

> Krishana for stealing butter " !!!!

>

THis is very high Stage of Sadhana , because this action of Lord Sri

Krishan WAS NOT DONE OUT OF KARMAS

 

HARE RAM , HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

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Could it be a case of Kakathaliya ?

 

--

Varun

 

 

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aumji <no_reply >

Now a riddle of Karma for you and other members...It is in a light

mood so nothing to be taken seriously.

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun wrote:

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> Could it be a case of Kakathaliya ?

>

> --

> Varun

>

>

Hope you could explain kakathaliya !

 

Coincidence is the word coined for those incidents which have no

rational explanation. In spirituality there is no scope for

coincidences as everything is happening as per definite plan of

Shakti. What we do not understand we call it coincidence, but others

can see the meaning behind the incident.

 

However to cite example of mobile, was not to pinpoint on one

incident. what I wished to ask was how the philsophy of Karma

works... how a good soul helping others gets bad results and those

doing bad enjoy all the comforts.

 

And we got many beautiful responses. One, which no one wrote was

that Kaliyuga has some special energies which do not allow good

energies to flourish... the result being that either the good souls

will perish, or would turn to bad ones

 

A good example is that in India if some one meets with a road

accident, no one takes him to hospital(barring very few good

examples)... because the good samartian will be harassed by the police

many times putting the blame on him who saved. Result ? People avoid

helping a road accident victim and most of the victims die because of

not getting timely medical help.

This is how the Negative energies in Kaliyuga work....and remaining

good in the face of such strong energies itself is a Great Sadhna !!

 

Hari Aum

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An ant when it crawls into a mechanical clock, doesn't understand its various

parts or how it works.

 

Similarly, we in our ant-like consciousness do not understand the ways in which

the universe works.

 

In my humble opinion, good and bad are subjective definitions. And sometimes the

so-called bad energies are very much required to become the so-called good.

 

Something like in sports training, No pain No gain. Would that make pain bad or

good? Neither.

Too much thinking is adverse to progress according to me.

 

I apologise if any of the members find my opinions too radical.

 

Regards.

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun wrote:

> Something like in sports training, No pain No gain. Would that make

pain bad or good? Neither.

> Too much thinking is adverse to progress according to me.

 

 

Yes i fully agree.... sufferings are an integral part of our spiritual

upliftment and negativity and positivity are just games of mind.

 

We have to see any incident/suffering from all angles and not merely

on Advaita or any other point of way.

 

Aummm

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My question is why do you NEED to analyse any incident?

 

The mere fact that you use your MIND to analyse makes you caught up in mindgames

and hence hampers the efforts you put in to go beyond the mind.

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun

wrote:

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> An ant when it crawls into a mechanical clock, doesn't understand

>its various parts or how it works.

 

GOOD ANSWER

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun wrote:

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> My question is why do you NEED to analyse any incident?

 

Dear varun,

 

So what should we do ? should we just sit silently and just ponder I

am Brahmmmm ? and not care for our food our job our bathing etc...

 

should we forget caring our children and let God take care of them ?

 

If we dont discuss anything We must first close down this club. There

are 1092 members of this club and all of them are not enlightened like

you... many need these discussion to understand !!!

 

Aum

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Thanks for at least suggesting that I am enlightened. Though the truth is far

from it

 

I re-iterate my point again.

 

There is no MUST and there is no NEED.

Because there is no one-size-fits-all answer.

 

Again, here is a misconception, which says that enlightenment MUST mean sitting

in silence and pondering.

 

Suppose there is a glass which has some dust in it, you can clean it in so many

ways. You can wipe it clean. You can use a vacuum cleaner. In case of a vacuum

cleaner you can either suck the dust out or you can blow it out.

 

In my opinion, you can and you should analyse, but be aware that it is feeding

only your mind.

All the questions and answers that you and I are posting about are nothing but

emanations of the mind. Something similar to a solar flare, which might be as

bright and as hot as the sun, but is not the sun. Just a temporary extension.

 

When we move from the WHYs to HOWs or HOW TOs, then the real uncharted territory

opens up.

 

Let me pose a question to all members - Suppose if I tell you the REAL reason

behind the mobile incident, how will it help you in your lives/sadhna/etc?

 

Kindly do not treat this as a challenge to your beliefs, instead it is in a

curious tone which I can't establish over this communication medium.

 

 

 

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aumji <no_reply >

 

So what should we do ? should we just sit silently and just ponder I

am Brahmmmm ? and not care for our food our job our bathing etc...

 

should we forget caring our children and let God take care of them ?

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

> If we dont discuss anything We must first close down this club. >There

> are 1092 members of this club and all of them are not enlightened

>like you... many need these discussion to understand !!!

 

Aumji, as a weird co-incidence, or not, as you said there are no

coincidences, I was talking to a friend, & he gave me this example. He

said in ancient India, the Kings had to sometimes move a herd of

elephants through the city. Now, you cant use force on elephants, &

elephants are by nature naughty, so they would grab food, or any other

item from the shops along the way.

 

The bad driver would try to beat the elephants, but this would

backfire as the elephants got angry & sometimes kiled many people.

 

The intelligent elephant driver, on the other hand, gave the elephants

a little stick to play with, so they would remain busy & not trouble

anyone.

 

Our mind is like that- it needs a stick to play with, or it starts

creating trouble. We need to give it something to keep it occupied, or

it starts looking for trouble. Its better to kept it busy discussing

spirituality, rather than let it wander around chatting, discussing

politics or any other energy wasting activities normal people do.

 

By discussing on forums like these, the mind is kept satisfied, &

keeps its energies in spiriutal matters. It doesnt matter what we

discuss, as long it continually creates Sanskaars of God realisation!

 

with love,

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> By discussing on forums like these, the mind is kept satisfied, &

> keeps its energies in spiriutal matters. It doesnt matter what we

> discuss, as long it continually creates Sanskaars of God realisation!

>

> with love,

> Shantnu

 

Thanks shantanu yes mind needs its food !!

 

Can we transcend Mind by rejecting it or by forcing it to be no-mind ??

 

Aum

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun wrote:

>> Kindly do not treat this as a challenge to your beliefs, instead it

is in a curious tone which I can't establish over this communication

medium.

>

>

Dear Varun,

 

There are many threads of discussion going on in the forum e.g.

Prayers v/s karma, dwait-advait etc. You can write on the subject

which fits your spiritual heights and leave the childish (?) ones for

other children to discuss. This forum is for all paths and not only

for Ashtavakras and sankrcharyas.

 

Love

 

Aumm

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Hari Om!

 

Well said!

 

However, there is a danger of the consequences of over-indulgence in discussion.

Too much of discussion sans actual sadhana will betray our empty-headeness and

much of our sense of bigotry could be traced to this tendency to intellectualise

our beliefs rather than striving for self-realisation.Our discussion should

further stregthen our sadhana and motivate many others to take to this path,

which our forum under your able guidance, does.

 

ulaganthan p

 

 

 

 

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shanracer <no_reply >

 

 

Aumji, as a weird co-incidence, or not, as you said there are no

coincidences, I was talking to a friend, & he gave me this example. He

said in ancient India, the Kings had to sometimes move a herd of

elephants through the city. Now, you cant use force on elephants, &

elephants are by nature naughty, so they would grab food, or any other

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun wrote:

..

>

> Let me pose a question to all members - Suppose if I tell you the

REAL reason behind the mobile incident, how will it help you in your

lives/sadhna/etc?

>

Dear Varunji, I think you failed to grasp the idea behind the

question. It is not the mobile which aumji is worried about but it is

to know how Karma work.

 

One of my friend who always helped people on the road while they

were stuck with some problem with their vehicle. When his own car

broke down, no one helped him and he was stranded on a barren road for

hours. Now a days those who do good to others, get the opposite and

we need to discuss the working of Karma, and this was perhaps the idea

behind the question.

You tell me If I tell you about God how will it help in your sadhna ?

 

jaya

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In my humble opinion, realization cannot come from telling.

 

Knowledge of spiritual subjects is not self-realization.

 

One can be an astrologer without knowing his or her true self identity.

It is a vidya, something like mastering a game, say Table Tennis, although

mastering astrology is much more difficult.

 

Realization I feel, comes as an unforgettable experience.

 

 

 

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jaya_sundram <no_reply >

 

 

 

Dear Varunji, I think you failed to grasp the idea behind the

question. It is not the mobile which aumji is worried about but it is

to know how Karma work.

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HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

> Realization I feel, comes as an unforgettable experience.

>

>

My dear Friend Varun

 

i really appriciate your achivements in Sadhana and definetely you

must be spreading peace near you

 

could you express your opinion about a question " What is thought

and How it is related with mind and intellect. "

 

HARE RAM , HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

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Hello,

 

I am sorry to disappoint but I do not practice any sadhna or read scriptures

regularly. I try to imbibe AND IMPLEMENT what ever appeals to me, regardless of

the source.

 

If you have been a science student then this chain of thought might appeal to

you too.

 

Consider a sweater/pullover that you wear in winters. It is made of wool. Assume

it was hand woven. So the wool was earlier in bundles of various sizes and

shapes and colours. Those bundles were initially not in that form but in a raw

form before undergoing chemical or any other processing. The raw form is

obtained from sheep and is not multi-coloured as the end product is. It is part

of the sheep's fur. If you go deeper and scale down, it is made of molecules

(smaller units) which collectively make up the wool which we can see, feel,

observe, smell, etc. The molecules are comprised of atoms (further building

blocks). Most of it is empty space in between. If you scale down more and more,

everywhere you will find subtle vibrations giving a 'feel' of mass.

 

In the paragraph above, you might be able to find an answer to your question

on thought, mind and intellect.

 

Please excuse any technical errors as it was written impromptu.

 

I can wear a sweater and be happy that it keeps me warm from the cold.

Or I can be aware, what actually is the sweater and how similar it is to the

'cold'

 

 

 

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jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

 

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, varun nagpal <nagpal_varun wrote:

>

 

> I can wear a sweater and be happy that it keeps me warm from the

cold.

> Or I can be aware, what actually is the sweater and how similar it

is to the 'cold'

>

 

What difference does it make ? sweater's purpose is fulfilled in both

the cases ! Even if i am not aware of how a sweater is made, i will

still be getting the warmth. Similarly are we not getting the warmth

of God even if we dont know him. Isn't knowing about how sweater is

made, a wastage of time ?

 

enlighten me !

 

vishnu

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, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote:

Similarly are we not getting the warmth

> of God even if we dont know him. Isn't knowing about how sweater is

> made, a wastage of time ?

>

Yes ! whole of animals, insects, bacteriae and viruses are getting

god's warmth without knowing about it.

 

It is only human beings, who try to know the reason behind this warmth

hence we humans are treated better than lowers living beings, also

better than asuras and devas, as due to this fact we are entitled for

Moksha and they are not.

 

Inquisitiveness, analysis, inference and trying to reach higher

consciousness is aim of humanity for reaching Moksha. Hence we discuss

Dvait-advait, riddle of Karma, Blessings, Dharma etc... to reach the

truth through these smaller discussions and analysis.

 

Sadhna is the way for that..... mere discussing or reading will not

work

 

Hari Aum

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

> Sadhna is the way for that..... mere discussing or reading will not

> work

 

Aumji, how do we know when we have crossed the line from gaining

actual knowledge, to intellectual or scholarly bickering?

 

love

Shantnu