Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 , aumji <no_reply wrote: Dear Fellow Spiritual Travellers, Greetings and Namaste! Here is a quote from the magazine Spiritual Link of June 2008. You're from a country beyond this universe Yet your best guess is your're made of earth and ashes. You engrave this physical image everywhere Is a sign that you've forgotten where you're from! Rumi, as quoted in The Soul of Rumi rendered by Coleman Barks E N J O Y With warm wishes, Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) > , Anupam Shil <anupamshil@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sudhakarji, > > I appreciate the alacrity with which you 'thank' each and every Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2008 , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: Thanks Thimmappaji, it was very clear post clearing many doubts. Please write some more on Sanchita, Prarabhdha and agami karma how Karmas are classified into these categories.? our this birth is for which type of karma ? Sadhna has more effect on which karma ? How do we transcend these three categories of karma ? Thanks love always Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2008 , " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote: > > , aumji <no_reply@> wrote: > > > >> In some cases God himself forces to surrender and changes a person > > overnite... i am one of the examples > > > babaji, please please share the incident/ attainment of bliss with > the group. > > so hum... > dear aumji i think it is a secret and perhaps you donot want to share it with the group. is it so? plz reply so hum... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2008 , " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote: > > babaji, please please share the incident/ attainment of bliss with > > the group. > > > > so hum... Dear Sohum, what a telepathy !!!! I was writing the reply and meanwhile your message came. Yes many of the things can not be shared on a public board.. but i will tell when we meet at the lotus feet of Jawalaji or chamunda. As i wrote earlier, I was almost an atheist till 1992 and my life was full of vices, i had not read any holy scripture and was not respectful to any deity/temple (except jwalaji of course)... and suddenly god brought a storm in my life. I slept as an atheist and woke up as bhakta, crying and singling for god. God has his ways to bring any person to his path. As we are discussing, any sadhna done in last birth does not go wasted... hence we have to wake up in next birth to the same level....and god has a plan for each one of us. with love always Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2008 Dear AUMji, Thanks for the comment and the interest. Sancita karma refers to the remnant karmas/accumulated impressions of all our past lives. The present lives for the most people is not enough to exhaust/experience and erase all the remnant karmas of our earlier lives. Hence, only a part of it is released for the present life for 'bearing fruits' and what all we undergo in the present life ( or the most of it ) out of the accumulated past lives karmas is Prarabdha karma. So, this life is the resultant of sancita karma only, but all of it may not involve in this life.Agami karma refers to the the performance of now and the future. Sadhanas(plus the Lord's Grace!) can completely destroy the sancita karma and make even the agami karma ineffective. When this happens, only prarabdha we experience/tolerate/titiksha in this life and say good bye for ever, no more life/rebirth! Yes, Sir, how to transcend the karmas must be our prime concern.1. Can we live without imprinting impressions of our actions/vibrations created by our thoughts and deeds? Unattached/Detached. Or create thoughts and deeds in such a way that it does not hurt self or others both in the short and long range so that it does not create/return back with strong/intense and lasting impressions.2. If we are aware of every thoughts, feelings, intentions and actions as it occur right here and now in the Present - shantnuji - then, we are in a flow, we do not separate from the Reality as it is and as in full, and hence it leaves no impression/sanskara, it just flows away, leaving us ever fresh without any garbage/baggage, ever ready to be with the flow of reality, afresh anew and alive.3.Great message of the Gita on how to live a yogic life because we have to 'yogastha kuru karmani', do actions established in yoga. Then, yogah karmasu kausalam, skillful action emerge. What is its import for routine/ yogic living? Two : nishkamakarma/self-less(selfish desire-less) action and karmaphalatyaga/renunciation of the fruits of action for the selfish end's. Why that way? Because it is not mine to enjoy as mine! Words of Isha Upanishads haunts me often : Ishavasyam idam sarvam yat kim ca jagatyam jagat, tena tyaktena bhunjitha ma grdhah kasyasvid dhanam. Everything is God's, return/renounce and enjoy, do not covet what belongs to others! jiyo tyag se, bhog se nahi. Bhog burns and binds, Tyag soothes(peace) and releases! do not bother about own desires, it will be taken care better this way! It has a multiplier effect, give whatever that you have, you get it back in bounty! These are the ways - three ways mentioned above for the moment! - of living that erases all the impressions of the past and leaves no impressions in future. We will be free, 'empty', poorna, all in peace. Pardon me if I am incomprehensible and overshooting. Best regards, M.S.Thimmappa , aumji <no_reply wrote: > Thanks Thimmappaji, it was very clear post clearing many doubts. > > Please write some more on Sanchita, Prarabhdha and agami karma > > Aum > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Sudhakarji, Thanks a lot for your compliment, it is most valuable when it comes from person like you. Best regards and wishes. M.S.Thimmappa. , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > Dear Thimmappaji, > > Namaste! > > Thanks for such a beautiful detailed explanation on Karma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2008 , aumji <no_reply wrote: >but i > will tell when we meet at the lotus feet of Jawalaji or chamunda. babaji i will wait for the time Maa decides for us to meet at chamunda or jwalaji. as you said god has a plan for each of us, i am sure the time will come when you visit there next time. i'll prey for that. regards so hum... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2008 , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams > If we are aware > of every thoughts, feelings, intentions and actions as it occur right > here and now in the Present - shantnuji - then, we are in a flow, we > do not separate from the Reality as it is and as in full, and hence > it leaves no impression/sanskara, it just flows away, leaving us ever > fresh without any garbage/baggage, ever ready to be with the flow of Thimmappaji, this point is excellent - it sums up whole of Karma Yoga in 1 sentence. Again it shows its not action that binds, but our reaction to it. That means all this running away from the world, taking sanyaas is useless, as it is only treating the symptoms, not the disease. The disease can only be treated by living conciously. with love Shantnu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2008 Dear Shantnuji, Thanks for appreciating, it is great, coming from you! Yes, awareness is the key - Prajnam Brahma - we are always in the Source when fully aware, in a mere witness mode. We had this naturally as a child; in that innocence of the child everything is attended to without any value judgement, child gazes at everything around in alertness and glee, engages and disengages in a jiffy, child has no problem, he has left it to the world/parent to take care of him! We have lost it as we grow up, we should have retained that and of course grow in many other ways, it is possible. Trouble is, we think we are or have to take care of self, our people and the world and that puts us in tension, expectations, anticipations - we are stuck, frozen, missed the flow! As you rightly said, leave it to Him, after all what care we can take. If we only examine, we realise that the most of the best happened to us is in spite of ourselves, with no efforts of us and in fact it appears almost a-causal!It is from Him we have come, it is He who is nurturing and taking care of us( air water, crop, etc.,) and it is to Him we return at the end! Why to think that in between I am the master of myself where we could do nothing without His grace? Stupid, is it not?! Regards, M.S.Thimmappa. , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > Thimmappaji, this point is excellent - it sums up whole of Karma Yoga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2008 , " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote: >> Sancita karma refers to the remnant karmas/accumulated impressions of > all our past lives. The present lives for the most people is not Thanks Dear Thimmappa, Now it is very clear and detailed. Transcending karma is the main aim of all sadhanas. please keep posting such beautiful thoughts love Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2008 HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM First of all thanks to all for great Satsang . really it is excellant after reading all the messages in this topic what i personally noticed our discussions was started by the SO Hum who said in his posting The best answer for all this i found in this group only. Few months back, in a discussion on same topic, a learned member stressed that God does not know what is good or bad karmas, therefore we should do 100% whatever we do. Here SO HUM concluded that there are no bad no good KARMAS my comments on this : yes it is true that Karmas are neither good nor bad . it is with respect to a person for me what is good may be bad for someoneelse. than jaya asked the questions 1- How will we decide which karma is good and which is bad ? May be what we think bad is good for us ? 2- How do we know which desire/karma is creation of our ego and which is from God? 3- Can we really surrender to god or it is just a state of mind? here 1st question is allready answered by Jaya madem hereself , hence there is no question of good or bad karma . it is we who made the karma good or bad . if someone has abused me than my reactions could be 1. i have been punished him by any means by reporting to police and ,......................... if i am constantly thinking that i have done good by not forgiving person because that person should be punished for the welfare of the society , hence i have been made that karma as good karma . 2.the same thing could be felt by the me in that way oh i should have forgiven Him , who am i to punish him , He is also God than why why i have punished him oh i have done wrong oh my God . so here this karma is bad for me 2nd question is the most difficult to understand . my answer is that all the Karmas are created by ego only . God is beyond karmas . He never does any karma . yes if you understand the God in that way that ego is also created by the God than i would say karmas are created by the ego hence by the God also 3rd question surrendering to the Lord is beyond the state of mind also . surrendering the Lord means surrendering the ego and it is the question of debate that could we surrender our ego completely or not....... Than Shantanu Sir explained beautifully , the concept of consciousness and you have written as.. " Its not actions that are important, but the conciousness they are done in. Both the Kauravs & Pandavs killed people in war, but their conciousness was completely different. Kauravs were killing out of hate, vanity, ego, while Pandavs were fighting for truth & honour. " Here i would say Sir Ji that Pandavas were also in partial consciouness , Arjuna asked so many questions with the Lord Sri Krishna as a learner , what is Dharma ,.......they were definetely with the Satya Dharma , but they were not aware of it i personally think that Bhisham Pitameh , Vidur , Guru Dron , ANGRAJ KARNA were more aware ( conscious) than Pandavas . than Sir ji we were always had opposite views about Angraj Karna . but i Love you becuase of your feeling is not to BE AGAINST me , but to know the God to write as maximum as possible to give knowledge to everybody . OUR views may be different BUT WE LOVE EACH OTHER . and i am really very much thankfull to you for the concept of the awareness of everything through consciousness , may b e you have taken wrong example as per my opinion . but than again i would ask you that do this consciousness has a boundary line also if yes than what is that . what is the shape of that boundary line than AUM Sir ji gave a very beautifull concept of the raktbeeja as it creates one demon when it falls on the ground , so Maan Drunked that blood and reaction of that is finished . but Sir Ji i would ask a question that . please never be angry with my stupid questions . as i want to ask more and more questions to gain more and more knowledge from all of you . thanks a lot Sir Ji is it not possible that while falling the blood on the ground , it could create a deva instead of one demon .just a thought came to my mind please comment on it . deva means a thought which could elavate ourselves in sadhana AND THAN FINALLY M.S.Thimpa Sir Ji as per your psoting thoughts and deeds in such a way that it does not hurt self or others both in the short and long range so that it does not create/return back with strong/intense and lasting impressions. Sir Ji i think till we are obseving that we are hurting someone or ourself till that we are not in Yoga . what is your comment on it . i am thankfull to all . for a great knowledge which i have gained through your postings. no doubt a great change in myself , but than i have to ask questions on the postings as per my nature , hence please never mind it , as i am also doing my job. Thanks to ALL sadhakas HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE RAM, RAM RAM,HARE HARE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2008 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > than AUM Sir ji gave a very beautifull concept of the raktbeeja as > it creates one demon when it falls on the ground , so Maan Drunked > that blood and reaction of that is finished . but Sir Ji i would ask > a question that is it not possible that while falling the blood on the ground , it > could create a deva instead of one demon . Dear Jitinder, thanks for your comments.. and no one gets angry on questions... rather this gives rise to more discussion and more knowlwedge.. so as long as questions are not to taunt, they are welcomed. We are all learning from this Group and these discussions. Yesss your idea is really great. But it is only Raktabeeja, a demon, who has been given this boon. No Deva ever was given such boon. Our mind is like Raktabeeja and its thoughts and actions are drops of blood. When mind becomes deva.... it loses its blood. A supermind has no thought or action... it stands still and allows sakshi bhava. Mind of an ordinary person is Raktabeeja and mind of a sadhaka in Samadhi is Deva. Love always Aum PS: I am waiting for your next question Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2008 Dear AUMji, Thanks for appreciating, coming from a genuine sadhaka like you is most valuable to me! , aumji <no_reply wrote: > Thanks Dear Thimmappa, Now it is very clear and detailed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2008 Dear Jitendraji, Your questions are most welcome, it reflect your sincere quest and set the group on discussion which is the purpose of this site as well. , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > First of all thanks to all for great Satsang . really it is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2008 Dear Jitendraji, My earlier reply post to you got sent in the middle of it by accident (touching button inadvertently!) Yes, awareness of what we do, feel, think and intend is truly the major part, nay the very core, of yoga. Regards, M.S.Thimmappa , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM > > First of all thanks to all for great Satsang . really it is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2008 > HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM > But it is only Raktabeeja, a > demon, who has been given this boon. No Deva ever was given such boon. > > Our mind is like Raktabeeja and its thoughts and actions are drops of > blood. > > When mind becomes deva.... it loses its blood. A supermind has no > thought or action... it stands still and allows sakshi bhava. > > Mind of an ordinary person is Raktabeeja and mind of a sadhaka in > Samadhi is Deva. > Thanks a lot Sir Ji for reply , thanks thanks for clearing my doubt but again something i want to write like Sir Ji devas are supposed to be from Swarg loka and they must be having astral mind , and you are right Sir ji , that astral bodies do not have blood they are made of like eather like light blue in color . blood is just because of the physical bodies. please correct me If wrong and please add something more . Mind as a whole is one , and when this mind comes in contact with the impurities it is known as physical mind, astral and casual mind . Hence mind or supermind is free from all the impurities . i think mind never dies ie mind remains for foreever even you get moksha . i am not sure of all these please correct me and please write something more on mind ........... it is my request to all please share about the mind since devas are definetely superior to human beings and if we worship them than they can elavate us ie firstly we can become deva and than again by worshipping there we can progress . this is for those people who can not do sadhana without accomplishing their desires. please comment on this too . HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2008 HARE KRISHAN,HARE RAM > My earlier reply post to you got sent in the middle of it by > accident (touching button inadvertently!) > > Yes, awareness of what we do, feel, think and intend is truly the > major part, nay the very core, of yoga. THANKS SIR JI FOR RESPONSE My main concern was that in Karma Yoga a person must be aware of His Karma only . eg an army man sould concentrate where He has to hit the bullet and nothing matters for Him that time HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE , HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2008 HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM as i have written in my last posting God is beyond karmas . He never does any karma . and i want to correct myself that God also does Karmas , but He is not bound to do karmas . God does karmas out of Love , Sympathy and kindness as written by AUM Sir thanks Sir Ji . i have a complain with all the members of this group that why you do not correct me , even you know that i am wrong for some things which you know that you are right . but i will surely raise objections where i think that you are wrong do not worry for that. Thanks to all HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE , HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM , HARE HARE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2008 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > i have a complain with all the members of this group that why you do > not correct me Dear Jitinder, what you wrote earlier was also correct and what you wrote now is also correct. Here in sadhna we find our own mistakes not of others... and finding the mistake ourselves is Sadhna, whereas finding fault in others is for a common herd. In spirituality everything is true, even if it looks wrong. Mind contradicts and argues heart accepts happily and soul smiles Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2008 , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote: > > HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM > > as i have written in my last posting > > God is beyond karmas . He never does any karma . > > and i want to correct myself that God also does Karmas , but He is > not bound to do karmas . God does karmas out of Love , Sympathy and > as aumji beautifully said: mind contradict heart happily accept and soul smiles... jitendraji yes, everything is a truth. contradiction happens when we analyse it with different perspectives. in lower planes of our existence " I " do everything, in higher planes, its nature or maya, in much higher planes its God who does everything through us...and highest planes..nothing is there..all leela of God so hum... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2008 > > HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM > > THANKS SIR JI , HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE , HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites