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Krishna tells Arjuna in Geeta: ''He is intelligent who sees 'action'

in 'inaction' and 'inaction' in 'action'.'' even if you don't do

something you have acted - simply by 'not doing'. If you do something

then too you have not acted, for in your not acting here, something

else could have happened - you could have done something else. Even

though you have acted, there is 'inaction'; because you did this, you

couldn't do something else. So every 'action' has an 'inaction' and

every 'inaction' has got an 'action' connected to it.

 

The above has always been a confusion for most of us in our routine

life. The best answer for all this i found in this group only. Few

months back, in a discussion on same topic, a learned member stressed

that God does not know what is good or bad karmas, therefore we

should do 100% whatever we do.

 

Now practically it seems not possible as in between whatever we do we

plan something, memorise another thing and some great ideas too comes

while doing something. Is it mean we are not doing anything 100%.

 

please elaborate how to put 100% efforts while performing any karma?

 

so hum...

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, " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote:

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> Krishna tells Arjuna in Geeta: ''He is intelligent who sees 'action'

> in 'inaction' and 'inaction' in 'action'.'' even if you don't do

 

Dear Sohum, the simplest mantra for this is simply to dedicate all

works to HIM. To start with ... we should surrender all good karma to

god and avoid doing any bad karma.

 

When surrender completes God takes over our karma and then we

should do whatever he wishes.

 

Now how do we know what he wishes ..? Simply if we surrender

ourselves to his will and take all karma done by this body as Karma

done by him through us, then any situation he puts us in becomes our

duty.

 

Like Arjuna was put in a situation of war and it was 100% his karma to

fight...not to run away.

 

Krishna did not want Vidur to take part in the war... hence his mind

advised him to resign and be away from the war.

 

love

 

Aum

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Aumji,

 

Namaste!

 

What you have said about surrender ourselves to his will has

also been said in Sikh book which is TERA BANNA MITHA LAGE.

Also in the bible it is said, I AM HAPPY IN THY WILL.

 

It is the priestly class who distort and misrepresent the

true teachings due to their own INSECURITY and FEAR.

 

This fear is also exploited by politicians and those in the

medical field.

 

By the way it really needs lot of effort to surrender everything

to God though while reading it looks so easy - but then nothing

is offered on a platter as they say.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

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, " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote:

 

> Now practically it seems not possible as in between whatever we do we

> plan something, memorise another thing and some great ideas too comes

> while doing something. Is it mean we are not doing anything 100%.

>

> please elaborate how to put 100% efforts while performing any karma?

 

sohumji, whatever is done, is done with full awareness & knowledge,

thats the correct way to act.

 

Its not actions that are important, but the conciousness they are done

in. Both the Kauravs & Pandavs killed people in war, but their

conciousness was completely different. Kauravs were killing out of

hate, vanity, ego, while Pandavs were fighting for truth & honour.

 

But most people act in semi-dream state. While walking, working,

cooking, they are day dreaming about something else. They are not

aware of what they are doing, they are half sleep. But that doesnt

mean they get half the results of their Karma- they still get full

results, which surprises them as they dont thin they have done any wrong!

 

The defintion of virtue is-anything done with full awareness. The

defintion of sin is -anything done in hypnotism or half asleep state.

If you are angry, be aware you are angry- this will dissolve the

anger. Awareness is a very special energy- this is the real Agni the

Vedic Rishis worshipped- in that it burns away all that is ugly &

wrong in you, & makes all that is beautiful more stronger. So if you

aware, you can never be angry, hateful, egoistic, as the fire of

awareness will burn away these negativities. But feelings like Love,

compassion, become stronger with awareness.

 

The key thing is- we dont have to do anything. All these religons have

been preaching about loving God, loving people- but instead of love,

hate is increasing. Thats because love is not an object we can

possess- We are possessed by love, we dont possess love.

 

All we have to do is- be aware. Stop living in hypnotism. This will

cause all ugliness to vanish, & make us the pure, beautiful beings we are.

 

This is the real Karma Yoga- perform each act carefully, & with full

awareness. We are Divine Beings of love & light, & we should live as such.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

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Yes Sudhakar bhaiji, this is true, surrender is a very easy word but

it is really really difficult to put this into practical life

specially in this Kaliyuga when Ego is on its highest manifestation in

common man.

 

But " Karat Karat Abhyas Jadmati hot sujan " practicing surrender from

a lower level will do the trick.

 

In some cases God himself forces to surrender and changes a person

overnite... i am one of the examples

 

Aum

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Quite true Aumji.... " karat karat abhyas ke.............. " .

Lets...MEDITATE MEDITATE MEDITATE.....and some day the clarity between the

Subject and the Object will get evident, when the consciousness will start

" witnessing " from a third position, as a Spectator. And..... " Karmanye

Vadhikaraste ma phaleshu.......... " we shall be able to LIVE.

Regards,

Anupam

 

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

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Yes Sudhakar bhaiji, this is true, surrender is a very easy word but

it is really really difficult to put this into practical life

specially in this Kaliyuga when Ego is on its highest manifestation in

common man.

 

But " Karat Karat Abhyas Jadmati hot sujan " practicing surrender from

a lower level will do the trick.

 

In some cases God himself forces to surrender and changes a person

overnite... i am one of the examples

 

Aum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

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> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> >

> Yes Sudhakar bhaiji, this is true, surrender is a very easy word

but

> it is really really difficult to put this into practical life

> specially in this Kaliyuga when Ego is on its highest

manifestation in

> common man.

>

> But " Karat Karat Abhyas Jadmati hot sujan " practicing surrender

from

> a lower level will do the trick.

>

> In some cases God himself forces to surrender and changes a person

> overnite... i am one of the examples

>

> Aum

>

 

Dear Aumji

 

I really do not understand the law of Karma and surrender. Can

you or others explain it in a simpler form.

 

Had Hitler said I am have surrendered to God and all my actions are dedicated

to God would he be right ?

 

If a murderer surrenders to god and then murder ?

 

etc etc

 

ansuya

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Hari Om!

 

I am tempted to recall a news item that says that India tops the countries in

the most number of murders followed by Pakistan. What does that indicate? The

major reason, as I understood is the bad shape in which our justice delivery

system, with the absence of speedy trial and delivery of justice, functions.

But, it is also a reflection on our individual values. Have not our individual

value system and morals reached the nadir as never before? I feel that a great

revolution in our thinking and conduct is long over-due. More and more satsangs

and a determined effort at rediscovering our traditional moral values and

putting them in practice has to take place, in order for us to wipe out this

blot and regain our glory.

 

I am sorry if I have digressed.

 

ulaganathan p

 

 

 

shanracer <no_reply >

sohumji, whatever is done, is done with full awareness & knowledge,

thats the correct way to act.

 

Its not actions that are important, but the conciousness they are done

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

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> I really do not understand the law of Karma and surrender. Can

> you or others explain it in a simpler form.

>

 

I think i was the simplest. still let me give it another try. As I

wrote we have to start with surrendering all our good karma to god

and avoid doing bad karma.

 

Suppose I have a chance, reason and safety to punish a person, still

i should forgive in the beginning of sadhna.

 

If a common man with the feeling that god is doing everything

through him, does bad things it does not count to surrender.

 

First we have to become Arjuna and then god commands us to kill.

 

As shanracer wrote if we are conscious of all our work then there

are lesser chances of doing bad karma.

 

In Durga Saptashati, there was a demon called Raktabeeja. When

Durga tried to kill him, his each drop of blood created another

demon like him and it looked impossible to kill him.

 

Then Durga told Kali to drink his blood before it fell on ground and

thus no new demon would be created and finally Rakta beej was killed.

 

Our Mind is like Raktabeeja. All thoughts and actions coming out

of it are like drops of blood of Raktabeeja... which create another

demon. The awakened state or conssciousness of action and thought

is mother kali. Thus when we are conscious of our thoughts and

actions... these are like blood drops drunk by Kali and thus they do

not create another set of thought or action and we are able to kill

the Raktabeeja (still the mind and its vrittis)...this leads to

Sakshi bhava... the a very high state in meditation

 

With love

 

Aum

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Dear Anusuyaji,

 

Subject posed by you : Karma, Surrender, Hitler and Murderer.

 

The literal meaning of the term 'karma' is ' that which is done ', it

is derived from the root verb 'kr'= to do, its general meaning is

anything that is done.In this sense, it means : work; profession;

duty.

 

Basically, law of karma may mean that every action including thoughts

and deeds has its own reactions/vibrations in the body as well as in

the environment and such reactions returns back to us ( in different

time depending on the nature of karma )and forms impressions called

sanskar which in turn further determines our behaviour and life.For

example, if we feel (or think) or show (act) angry the anger return

back to us and forms anger impressions in our mind. Similarly, love

shown, felt or thought, return back to us and forms impressions in us

as love only. Peace/Liberation dawns when such impressions are erased

or we become free from such impressions. Sadhana including all types

of yoga may help in erasing these karmas.

 

Technically, karma has been used in a sense, as an action that binds

one to samsara or transmigratory existence. This type of karma can be

accomplished either by the body-kayika, or by speech-vacika, or by

the mind-manasa. Hence, kayika karma, vacika karma and manasa karmas.

 

Again,this karma with the potential to produce its fruits is

classified as sancita karma ( accumulated over several lives ),

prarabdha karma ( begun to bear fruits in this life ) and agami karma

( being performed now and in future ). The effects of karmas done in

one life cannot be expected to be exhausted in that life itself.

Hence punarjanma or rebirth is accepted. Jnana or spiritual wisdom

resulting in the realisation of one's nature as the immortal soul,

destroys sancita karma completely and makes agami karmas incapable of

producing its results even as a 'burnt seed cannot sprout'. However,

prarabdha karma, since it has already started giving its results, has

got to be exhausted only through experiencing it.

 

From another standpoint, karma is of two types : nisiddha karma-

prohibited or sinful actions that must be avoided; vihita karma-

actions ordained by the scriptures as duty, to be performed.The

vihitakarma is of three types : kamyakarma, desire-motivated actions

such as doing vratas and yagas to get children; nityakarma, daily

duties such as spiritual practices like sandhyavandana;

naimittikakarma, occassional duties such as done during eclipse and

shraddhas.

 

Karmas/actions are also classified according to their nature, good or

bad. Actions done without being tainted by likes and dislikes or

selfish motives,(but with noble intent) are called sattvika(good). If

done with these(selfish desire), they become rajasika(mixed). If they

are motivated by evil designs, to harm others, they are dubbed as

tamasika(dark or evil).

 

Surrender refers to surrendering of lower self (that has been formed

by wrong identification with sanskaras/impressions out of the

experience/karmaphala) to the higher self/soul/God and be guided by

the higher that has true wisdom than by the limited and deluding

impressions. Classical examples of such noble people are evidenced in

history such as King Janaka, King Parikshit and King Dasharatha, all

of whom are guided by Higher Self to run their affairs in life.

Ravanas and Murderers do not belong to that category of people, they

hold on to their lower self with arrogance, perform nishiddha and

tamasika karmas and all their actions do not adhere to the

descriptions of behaviour of the surrendered!

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

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Agreed AUMji, how beautifully put with such telling analogy/story

(Raktabija).Pranamams/salutations to you!

 

Best regards and wishes,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

> I think i was the simplest. still let me give it another try. As I

>

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> This is the real Karma Yoga- perform each act carefully, & with full

> awareness. We are Divine Beings of love & light, & we should live

as such.

 

shantnu ji this was exactly what i was expecting. wonderful. in just

one post whole of art of living is summed up. really, it is the

awareness or sakshi bhava (as aumji cited in his reply) which

matters. i am trying to practise it for 3 years, sometime this

awareness or sakshi bhava just vanish and sometime it is constant for

minutes together. all depend upon the circumstances and conditions.

as said by aumji " karat karat abhyaas, jadimat hot sujan " i hope i

will be soon able to improve. i believe it is also a form of

meditation. as whenever you are aware, you find GOD just next to you.

it is wonderful experience. generally we talk about so many theories,

ways, principles, etc etc but cannot put in to practise all these in

our routine , moment to moment life.

 

we had once discussed here about the way to keep alive deep devotion

and shradhha all the time and had ended up at it is not possible as

sat, raj and tam gunas donot permit us.

 

but i believe if we try to observe sakshi bhava/ be aware of our

thoughts, actions, we can have peace and devotion maximum time in a

day. thanks to all.

 

so hum...

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

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>> In some cases God himself forces to surrender and changes a person

> overnite... i am one of the examples

>

babaji, please please share the incident/ attainment of bliss with

the group.

 

so hum...

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1- How will we decide which karma is good and which is bad ? May be

what we think bad is good for us ?

 

2- How do we know which desire/karma is creation of our ego and which

is from God?

 

3- Can we really surrender to god or it is just a state of mind?

 

Regards

 

jaya

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SEEING LIFE !!!

 

SEE LIFE, JUST AS IF YOU WERE WATCHING A THREE DIMENSIONAL MOVIE...FROM A

DISTANCE. SEE YOUR OWN SELF PLAYING THE CHARACTER OF YOUR IDENTITY. LOOK HOW U

UNDERGO SO MANY EXPERIENCES OF LIFE...SO MANY EMOTIONS...SO MANY

FRUSTATIONS...SO MANY ASPIRATIONS...SEE YOURSELF EXERIENCING THESE

SITUATIONS...JUST SEE FROM A DISTANCE...SEE YOUR JOY...SEE YOUR AGONY...SEE YOUR

POWER...SEE YOUR HELPESSNESS...JUST SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE...SEE YOUR

EXPECTATIONS GETTING FULLFILLED...SEE YOUR DREAMS GETTING SHATTERED...JUST SEE

IT FROM A DISTANCE...AS IF WATCHING A THREE DIMENSIONAL MOVIE...SEE YOUR BODY

EXPERIENCING PAIN...SEE YOUR BODY EXPERIENCING PLEASURE...SEE YOUR

HAPPINESS...SEE YOUR SADNESS...JUST SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE.

PRACTICE " SEEING LIFE " ...FROM A DISTANCE :-)

 

so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > shantnu ji

this was exactly what i was expecting. wonderful. in just

one post whole of art of living is summed up. really, it is the

awareness or sakshi bhava (as aumji cited in his reply) which

matters. i am trying to practise it for 3 years, sometime this

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

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> , ansuya80 <no_reply@> wrote:

 

Dear Aumji,

 

Namaste!

 

That was brilliant. I do not think you can simplify it further.

Thanks.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

 

 

 

 

> In Durga Saptashati, there was a demon called Raktabeeja. When

> Durga tried to kill him, his each drop of blood created another

> demon like him and it looked impossible to kill him.

>

>

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, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams

wrote:

Dear Thimmappaji,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks for such a beautiful detailed explanation on Karma.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

 

 

 

> Dear Anusuyaji,

>

> Subject posed by you : Karma, Surrender, Hitler and Murderer.

>

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, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

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> SEEING LIFE !!!

>

> SEE LIFE, JUST AS IF YOU WERE WATCHING A THREE DIMENSIONAL

MOVIE...FROM A DISTANCE. SEE YOUR OWN SELF PLAYING THE CHARACTER OF

YOUR IDENTITY. LOOK HOW U UNDERGO SO MANY EXPERIENCES OF LIFE...SO

MANY EMOTIONS...SO MANY FRUSTATIONS...SO MANY ASPIRATIONS...SEE

YOURSELF EXERIENCING THESE SITUATIONS...JUST SEE FROM A

DISTANCE...SEE YOUR JOY...SEE YOUR AGONY...SEE YOUR POWER...SEE YOUR

HELPESSNESS...JUST SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE...SEE YOUR EXPECTATIONS

GETTING FULLFILLED...SEE YOUR DREAMS GETTING SHATTERED...JUST SEE IT

FROM A DISTANCE...AS IF WATCHING A THREE DIMENSIONAL MOVIE...SEE

YOUR BODY EXPERIENCING PAIN...SEE YOUR BODY EXPERIENCING

PLEASURE...SEE YOUR HAPPINESS...SEE YOUR SADNESS...JUST SEE IT FROM

A DISTANCE.

> PRACTICE " SEEING LIFE " ...FROM A DISTANCE :-)

 

 

Dear Anupamji,

 

thanks this is fascinating But easy said than done. How can this

be achieved practically. Now evryone does not have a guru like you

have. How can we get to this state of meditation ???

 

Ansuya

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, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

 

Dear Anupamji,

 

Namaste!

 

Wow! that was a nice piece of posting on viewing life in 3-D.

Thanks.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

 

 

> SEEING LIFE !!!

>

> SEE LIFE, JUST AS IF YOU WERE WATCHING A THREE DIMENSIONAL

MOVIE...FROM A DISTANCE. SEE YOUR OWN SELF PLAYING THE CHARACTER OF

 

BODY EXPERIENCING PAIN...SEE YOUR BODY EXPERIENCING PLEASURE...SEE

YOUR HAPPINESS...SEE YOUR SADNESS...JUST SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE.

> PRACTICE " SEEING LIFE " ...FROM A DISTANCE :-)

>

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your question is good ansuyaji.....and i had to stop making a quotation to

answer you :-)

 

at least we can MEDITATE......and wait.......if we are sincere, Time & Life will

help us to reach there. How???

 

Apply the " ASS Strategy " :-) pardon me, but only meant as a joke.

 

The Ass Strategy :-P

What should be done when our ASS in on fire??? Ofcourse, resort to the A.S.S.

Strategy :-)

So, whats that?

A = Acceptance

S = Solution

S = Surrender

 

ACCEPTANCE - It seems many times that, when our ass is on fire, :-) we do not

recourse for one reason. Why am I? What have I done to face this? Whats my

fault? OR the most difficult one is, Higher Principals...Why not let Nature take

its own course? Not that these questions have no significance. Yet at times they

simply result in prolonging the wisest 'action' that must 'happen' at the 'right

moment'. Acceptance is the first Step towards Surrender (Samarpan). Unless

accepted,....yes i am ill, yes i am weak, yes i need money, yes i need a Teacher

(Guru), yes i may be wrong.....everything is at standstill. For e.g. Jyotish is

one of the ACCEPTANCE Vidyas in the Vedic tradition. It helps a person accept,

how he/she is born...with its advantages and disadvantages.

 

SOLUTION - From acceptance to surrender is the journey of this

consciousness/soul. However, the middle resting place is Solution (Karma). It is

the conscious effort of the individual to the best, it can, for the betterment

of the existing situation (social, personal, psychological, physical, moral,

rational, local, international......whatever). Just as the Acceptance mode

requires shedding off psychological knots (granthis), the Solution mode requires

shedding off of physical lethargic knots (aalasya/praamad). For e.g. Ayurveda is

a one of the

 

SOLUTION Vidyas in the Vedic Tradition...with many other active actions (jap,

karma-kand, yoga, etc.) being a part of the Solution Strategy.

SURRENDER - Having done all that one can do, based on the individual's

temperament, the final resort remains " Surrender " (Samarpan). Spending sometime

quietly Meditating...on God or Guru if that suits the liking.....OR Parabramha

or Allah or Mindlessness, if the formless aspect suits, whatever. IT HELPS :-)

 

Lets get our ASS moving ;-D to get " The ASS Strategy " working for us.

 

Regards (once again pardon my explicit language, it only for a LAUGH :o),

Anupam

 

ansuya80 <no_reply > wrote: thanks this is fascinating But

easy said than done. How can this

be achieved practically. Now evryone does not have a guru like you

have. How can we get to this state of meditation ???

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

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> >

> thanks this is fascinating But easy said than done. How can this

> be achieved practically. Now evryone does not have a guru like you

> have. How can we get to this state of meditation ???

>

> Ansuya

>

i firmly believe to see your thoughts and desires no guru is required.

this all you have to do yourself. guru can tell you the way and that

has already been given here. any good advise or knowledge is straight

from param -guru...means are different. there is no better guru than

our own consciousness.

 

try it...without looking for the same in a formal way from guru.

 

so hum....

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, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

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> 1- How will we decide which karma is good and which is bad ? May

be

> what we think bad is good for us ?

 

---

-

 

I fully agree on this.. Once a sparrow was caught in the cold

and was freezed. She was about to die when a cow passed from there

and relieved herself on the sparrow. The sparrow was very sad - she

thought oh how unlucky i am... i am abt to die and this stupid cow

has further dirtied me.

 

But after a few moments the hot cow dung gave her some warmth and

she was saved from being freezed.

 

then there passed a fox, who saw the sparrow took her out of the

dung and cleaned her in a nearby water stream. The sparrow was

happy to get cleaned of the smelly dung.... and LO the fox ate the

sparrow!!!

 

Moral : those who throw shit upon you may not necessarily be your

enemy...and those who clean shit out of you may not be necessarily

your friends.

--

>

> 2- How do we know which desire/karma is creation of our ego and

which

> is from God?

 

For the beginning any desire / karma which satisfy your ego will

not be coming from god... and any karma coming out of

love/sympathy/kindness... will be sent from god

 

On higher stages this distinction is not required.

 

-----------------------------

>

> 3- Can we really surrender to god or it is just a state of mind?

>

We are in a sort of hypnotic state of mind that we have a free

will... when you surrender you will wake up to the Truth and Reality.

 

 

With love and Welcome to our Satsang. Hope to hear from you quite

often.... dear Jayaji

 

 

Aum

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

I had a doubt but i then re-read the post and i am fully satisfied.

Both killed but with different consciousness was a beautiful

explanation. Thanks.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

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Dear Sudhakarji,

I appreciate the alacrity with which you 'thank' each and every mail and its

senders. A good trait ought to be learned from you :-)

Regards,

Anupam

 

spbyoga9 <spbyoga9 wrote: --- In

, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

 

Dear Anupamji,

 

Namaste!

 

Wow! that was a nice piece of posting on viewing life in 3-D.

Thanks.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

 

> SEEING LIFE !!!

>

> SEE LIFE, JUST AS IF YOU WERE WATCHING A THREE DIMENSIONAL

MOVIE...FROM A DISTANCE. SEE YOUR OWN SELF PLAYING THE CHARACTER OF

 

BODY EXPERIENCING PAIN...SEE YOUR BODY EXPERIENCING PLEASURE...SEE

YOUR HAPPINESS...SEE YOUR SADNESS...JUST SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE.

> PRACTICE " SEEING LIFE " ...FROM A DISTANCE :-)

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, Anupam Shil <anupamshil wrote:

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> Dear Sudhakarji,

> I appreciate the alacrity with which you 'thank' each and every

mail and its senders. A good trait ought to be learned from you :-)

> Regards,

> Anupam

 

 

Yes Anupamji .... this is a very good gesture and our sudhakarji

from the begining always appreciate good things.

 

When in the world.. people are busy in leg pulling and counter

blaming.. our Satsang has genuine appreciations for the good

posts... and we all must keep it up.

 

Aum

 

BTW i also liked your poetic description of Sakshi bhava... my love,

blessings and appreciation is for all the members here.. even if i

dont categorically post it

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