Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2007 In old times, absence of books and Internet forced a Sadhka to go to a guru and learn about God from him. The Guru saw through the pupil's character, understood his status of intelligence, his past Karma and various other things, and then would guide him the appropriate way to attain enlightenment. With the information on all Upanishadas and other sacred books, easily available, this knowledge is within reach of a common person. Real gurus are difficult to find and there are chances that one may be cheated by some impostor in the name of Yoga or Tantra. However, this readily available information has created its problems too. Many start their sadhna just by reading somewhere, without understanding first the very basis of sadhna. Samadhi can not be attained by reading from books/internet. One may think himself to be very intelligent or clear minded or Brahma Gyani but the Universal system can not be fooled by our ego. It is said that Moksha is possible only in human body. Even gods are not entitled to get Moksha and they have to get a human body to work for their final journey. But there are some divisions of human too. Not every human being is fit for attaining entitlement. Human have further division of Deva-Human, Human-Human, Animal-Human and sub- animal (Asura)-Human. Only Deva-Human is fit to attain Samadhi and get enlightenment. Other three categories have to first rise to that level. Deva-Human : These finest of the fine human being can be described as the real human being what Nature and God want us to be. As per our Shastra and Lord Krishna himself these type of human being have the following qualities :- Deva-human is full of Satoguna and they have full control over Raj and Tam guna. One who is not jealous of anyone, who is friend of all living beings, who is kind, who is away from proud and infatuation, who is not moved/affected by joy and grief, who is pardoning, satisfied and always joyful, whose mind and intelligence are concentrated in God. The one who has no fear, who knows the working of three gunas and who is not happy with appreciation and not angry on insults. The one who takes pity on ill animals and sick people and the one who has an ocean of love in his heart for all living beings ARE A DEVA-HUMAN. They have a clear synchronised knowledge about God and different paths of Sadhna . Such people, even if they are not doing any Sadhna or not doing any Tapasya, attain Samadhi eventually. If by stroke of luck such people do not get proper instructions for Samadhi, they are re-born in the household of gentle and not-so- poor parents and start their divine journey from there (As confirmed by Shri Krishna in Geeta too). Human-Human: These type of people of Rajasic vrittis and they have feeble Sat and Tam in them. They lead a normal and comfortable life. They are not free from greed, lust, proud etc. but they are normally religious and are afraid of God. They normally live in their Dharma and lead their life according to the social strictures and law. They love their families and do charity as long as it does not disturb their own plans. They are kind but may have fights on ego grounds. They lead social life and do religious rituals too. They have faith in their religion/path/sect, but are tolerant towards other faiths and do not indulge in violent clashes with them. They are law- abiding people and remain in some social or religious discipline. In some very rare cases, due to some of their great good Karma, some great soul may come to their life and help them cross the stages early and take them to samadhi in this very life, otherwise they continue their journey upward slowly and they undergo many cycles of life and death thus attaining Deva-Human qualities one by one and finally become a Deva-human. Animal-Human: They are those Tamasic souls, who have recently evolved to human from animal soul, or have been degraded from human- human status due to some sin. Their chief Guna is Tamoguna and Sat is subtle and Rajoguna increasing. Normally they are poor and uneducated. They are the people who are under full control of Nature and their Hunger, sex, fears etc. are controlled by mother Nature. They have to do manual labour to earn their livelihood and they suffer from poverty and diseases. These types of people either do not know about God or have faint or deformed ideas about God. If they are religious, they are very fanatic about their faith/path/sect and do not tolerate other paths/religions. They behave in clan-mentality and anybody outside their clan is their enemy. Their brain is not evolved enough to understand scriptures or secrets of nature. They are just a little above animal. After many cycles of life and deaths they slowly reach the status of human- human. sub-Animal(Asura)-Humans: Well this the most dangerous species of human! People with distorted Rajoguna and Tamoguna with Satoguna shadowed with Raj and Tam. People in this category are those who have been degraded from Deva-human, Human-human or demi-gods' status due to some mistake done. The problem is that they are intelligent, and evolved human beings. They may be very rich or may be senior officers or great leaders. They may be amongst our bosses, our relatives, our gurus or our friends. They enjoy social status, intelligence and riches. Then why they are under sub-animal category ? Because they do what even animals do not do! Animals do not mate with a she-animal if she is not mature and if she is not in heat. But these people may rape a 2 years old girl or a 70 years old lady without remorse. The main three qualities of these people are extreme selfishness, cruelty and hatred. They have lot of energies and they use these energies to manipulate unsuspected innocents to gain their goals. They love none but themselves. They are the ones who arrange tools for mass massacres of innocent people in the name of religion, caste or creed. They belong to none. If they do charity, it will not be out of kindness, but a conspiracy to gain something bigger. Religion and God have no meaning for them and If they join a meditation group or a guru, their eyes are fixed on the lucrative positions and they push others to reach there. They are down to earth practical and affection, love, kindness charity, etc. are not in their dictionary though they beat their drum on these words to allure others. Because of their position in the society, or their intelligence or their richness, they do get some followers but they use their followers too for their gains, and do not hesitate to manipulate their followers if needed. They may become Spiritual Gurus, leaders, industrialists or officers, but they use their powers to manipulate not to help. They are below animal levels because animal is driven by instincts or Mother Nature's plan. If an animal is angry he will show it clearly he will not imitate to wag his tail to befool you. If an animal is in need of sex or food or shelter, it will by its nature try to get them but will not try to imitate that he does not need them. But these types of people, are hypocrites. Their whole life is hypocrisy. What they say they do not mean it…what they do they do not mean it. They speak sweet words keeping poison in heart. They help others keeping in view the benefit to be gained from this. They appreciate for gains, they insult for gains, they live for gains and they kill for gains. They hate everyone. They treat every one in this world as their tool. They have over-confidence in their capabilities and their energies, and since they easily reach higher status, their ego is further nourished. These people, have no hope for them in this birth. Because neither god, nor a kind guru can help them. Their Ahankara is so big that do not really listen to others' advises as they think everyone else is less evolved than themselves. They generate so much negative energies that any higher soul can not remain near them. These type of people, after utilising their good karma of past, and after utilising their energies, die and are re-born as either an animal or an animal-human to compensate for the sins they have done. NOW we can see clearly that a person of a particular category in strict explanation above, is rare. Most of us are a mixture of these. Hence before we do any sadhna, we should first start the Sadhna of humanity. For this we should first analyse ourselves very cruelly like an enemy. Our mind is the biggest cheater we have as friend. It will re-assure us repeatedly that we are right and others are wrong. But we have to take help of our real intelligence to analyse ourselves. We may sit in a comfortable posture for some time and start thinking over our qualities and recognise our deeds as per the categories above. Those who are against us and speak ill of us, may be of some use. Think carefully and see if any of their uttering were right. And you will be surprised to note, if you analyse honestly, that most of their ill talks about us had some basis. So we should first recognise the sub-animal (asura) attributes in us and remove them immediately because with them NO sadhna will work ! Keeping sub-animal qualities and doing sadhna is like burning a fire and putting water on it simultaneously. We may not be an entirely Asura personality, but we may have some Asura (dis)qualities in milder forms in us. Our aim should be to reach Deva-human stage. But I assure you, that the moment we remove the sub-animal qualities from our character, Nature, God and Guru all will come forward to help us in our journey. If we are not getting any progress in Sadhna, analyse yourself carefully, honestly and cruelly. We may find some sub-animal quality hidden in our mind stopping our progress ! Hari Om Tat Sat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2007 RAM RAM Thanks for the posting so many things could be learned from that topic HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > They have a clear synchronised knowledge > about God and different paths of Sadhna . Such people, even if they > are not doing any Sadhna or not doing any Tapasya, attain Samadhi > eventually. Dear Aum Thankyou, this is very interesting to read about. I have a question about the 'deva human.' Is it possible for such a human to be a christian, or muslim, or buddhist? I know a deeply spiritual woman in Edinburgh who fits this profile very well, but she is a church minister & definitely not a hindu. She is a christian & follows that tradition, but is also incredibly open minded & welcoming of many faiths. She goes on Buddhist retreats & has done workshops with muslim sufi masters. I wouldn't say her whole life is christianity, rather that her whole life is God & doing good for God & humanity. She's quite an amazing woman. Is she a 'deva human?' Do you think she will attain Samadhi? With much love Farah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: > about the 'deva human.' Is it possible for such a human to be a > christian, or muslim, or buddhist? I know a deeply spiritual woman in > Edinburgh who fits this profile very well, but she is a church Dear Farah, the essay i wrote on Humanity is certainly out of all religions... all irrespective of their faith/religions may fall into any category of deva, asura or animals. Most of the people are a mixture of these qualities... so by knowing the definition of different types of humans we can identify the negative traits in us, and rise above the lower entities. Deva-humans are the most fit for spiritual progress, irrespective of their religion. Mother Terressa was a good example Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > sub-Animal(Asura)-Humans: Well this the most dangerous species of > human! Because they do what even animals do not do! Dear Aum A question now about these Asura humans. It may seem like a strange question & it may be a slight diversion from the topic, but please just go with it. If I hurt any human, I will have some karma as a result of this. If this person is an 'asura human' will my karma be any less? Is slapping Hitler the same as slapping Mother Theresa? With love Farah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: > > If I hurt any human, I will have some karma as a result of this. If > this person is an 'asura human' will my karma be any less? Is > slapping Hitler the same as slapping Mother Theresa? Dear Farah, let us not see " slapping " from an angle of deva or asura. For a common man everything is decided by Karma...but for sadhaka it is a little different. A sadhaka must stop using negative karma, and present positive karma to God. So for a sadhaka there is no question of punishing anyone... Otherwise, punishing a lower soul is not so sinful. insulting a higher soul cerainly earns more negative energies. when i was reading astrology, there it said if you insult or talk ill of a saint..Jupitor will become negative and will start giving bad results. So even if the highersoul look like doing wrong...we have no right to insult them. Even if our karma force us to slap...mother teressa, we should avoid it with our free will and with our Sat guna....as this may lead to disasters. did i make any head n tail of the explanation ? LOL AUM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > ....but for > sadhaka it is a little different. > > Otherwise, punishing a lower soul is not so sinful. insulting > higher soul cerainly earns more negative energies. > > So even if the highersoul look like doing wrong...we have no > right to insult them. > > Dear Aum Ha ha - you have got me thinking away again! So, my first question is who are the 'sadhakas?' Am I a sadhaka? What about my friend in Edinburgh? Are sadhakas just the ones who follow Hinduism? It sounds to me as if you are saying there IS a difference between slapping Hitler & slapping Mother Theresa then? Maybe slapping was a bad example - I would never slap anyone - but I think what Im hearing is there would be a difference. Im interested in the concept of 'higher souls.' I wouldn't insult any of these people, any more than I would insult anyone considered to be a 'lower soul.' I find this difficult to accept - aren't we all supposed to treat eachother with love & respect regardless of who we are? How can we talk about being sadhakas & not dishing out punishments, but then in the next breath talk about higher souls & lower souls? Who are we to judge? With love Farah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: >How can we talk about being sadhakas & not dishing out > punishments, but then in the next breath talk about higher souls & > lower souls? Who are we to judge? > Farah you not confused but trying to confuse me ....LOL Sadhaka : anyone who is trying to find the truth...who knows this world is not final destination and there is truth beyond the physical...and the one who is consciously trying to find truth..is a sadhaka. So yes you are a sadhaka.....and a sadhaka need not be a hindu. Anyone who tries to become Deva-human, or trying to find Truth is a sadhaka. A person following his religion/faith may not necessarily be a sadhaka.... that will make all jehadis also sadhaka. A sadhaka has no right to use negative karma of insulting anyone.....either on higher or lower soul. I wrote abt common non-sadhakas that if they insult a saint it will have more negativity.. Higher soul/lower soul : souls are all equal but it is a relative word used for those who are either Deva-human or Asura human. Judging ... is a christian word and does not fit here.... if you see someone having a Deva human qualities and you say yes he is higher soul... is not judging it ...u r just telling a truth. similarly if some one has attributes of asuras....and u find him to be a Asura human..and say he is lower soul.. is not judging him Lower and higher here is used by me depending upon the length of one's spiritual journey. AUM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: Here punishing also mean karmik duty... Like if a police man punishes a thief, he does not sin... he is just doing his duty. Or if a soldier kills enemy, he is not sinner as he is simply doing his Dharma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba@> wrote: > > > Here punishing also mean karmik duty... Ha ha! You beat me to it - I was going to ask questions about punishment! So, I will have to pick your brains on something else then. :-) Leave me to do some yoga & think up more questions.... And WHERE is everyone else??? I feel like its just you & me in a dark tunnel - I can hear our voices echo.... Deito, Ansuya, Aradhana, Bala, Shantnu, Sudhakar, Mr Kumar... where are you??? With love, searching around in the dark with Mr Aum & a torch.... Farah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 > a 'lower soul.' I find this difficult to accept - aren't we all > supposed to treat eachother with love & respect regardless of who we > are? How can we talk about being sadhakas & not dishing out > punishments, but then in the next breath talk about higher souls & > lower souls? Who are we to judge? Farahji, the concept of judgement does not arise, as we dont judge higher/lower souls on some mental rules we found in some scripture. The Universe is not communist- not everyone is equal. People differ in physical strength, intelligence, & spiritual progress. God loves all equally, but treats each according to the progress they have made. Gods love isnt blind- it discriminates, & it does so with wisdom. A higher soul is one whose conciousness is more in touch with the Divine Conciousness. Such a person identifies not with his limited body, but the Universal Divine conciousness. The more you do so, the more higher soul you are. Insulting such a person, even harboring bad thoughts about them, is equal to insulting the Divine. Thats why the Karma is worse. You cant claim you didnt know this person is a higher soul than you- as the Soul always knows this, & besides, ignorance is punished more than any sin. A hindu/christian who goes to temple/church everyday may still be a lower soul, but another person, an atheist, maybe a higher soul. An atheist who lives his life in harmony with nature, who respects all creatures( & not just humans), whose mind is silent, is a higher soul than someone who just blindly follows what his prophet/scripture told him. A story might help. Yudhishtra was a just king. Once 4 prisoners were brought to him- all had robbed a house & killed the inhabitants. One was a cleaners son, other son of businessman, 3rd from royal family, 4th son of a priest. They had committed the same crime, so should have gotten same punishment. But Yudhistra sentenced cleaner to 100 lashings, businessmans son to 50 lashings & a huge fine, the royal family boy to life in prison, & death to the priests son. When people asked why, he replied " The cleaners son has no education, he doesnt no any better. The lashings will teach him to behave in future. The businessman should have known better, but just lashings wont do. Since he is attached to money, both taking his money & lashing him will teach him not to repeat this. For the Royal familys son, his job is to protect the innocent, he has gone against his Dharma, so he should be sentenced to life. As for the priests son, the job of priests is to teach others how to live(priets were also teachers), & if they break the law, then who will follow it? So he should be sentenced to death. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: Dear Farhaji, I am here and like a true lower soul listening to the wise discourse of two higher souls Aum said if a soldier kills enemy he will not be punished. It means even killing is not sin ? Who will get sin for that innocent death? I can ask 100 questions on this, but dont wish to confuse you. also tell me how can we get out of karma chain. suppose i kill you in a birth, in next birth you kill me, and in next to next i kill you and this will continue for ages. Which type of karma dont bind us ? Karma is very complex. Can someone make it little simpler ? Ansuya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " janfarah_strongspirit " <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: Der Farah LOL.....so you find only me and u in dark tunnel now ? do some more meditation and u will find there was no farah...only Aummmmmmm and the dark tunnel will be filled with vibrant lights...and you dancing..keeping aum and farah shan, bala, aradhna all in yr womb Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya. Wonderfull explanation Babaji. Can a Sadhak treat the festivals as a celebration they kill thier Asuric or animal or human - hunam natures to progress in the path of Sadhna. Like Vijayadhasami - getting rid of Ravanic nature - Lust, so a budding sadhak can celebrate Vijayadhasami getting rid of Lust to proceed in Sadhna. Like Diwali - Killing the food habits - getting rid of Naragasur nature. Like Vijayadhasami - Getting rid of Mahisasur nature - Power and Creed. Like Gita/Krsna guides Arjuna to kill Kauravas with various animal & sub animal characters. Festivals are celebrated for the killing of Asuric characters in us, the lesser the qualities killed need no celebration as it is an automatic progress in Sadhna. i took your explanations as to kill the asura,animal,human natures to progress in the path of sadhna, to merge with the supreme. Correct me if i understood wrong. Shivya Namah Aum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: son to 50 lashings & a huge fine, the royal family boy to > life in prison, & death to the priests son. When people asked why, he > replied > Very beautiful story. Thanks Shantnu It clears the Karma and results theory. Different Karmas, good/bad, have different results for different people. Jai Gurudev Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya. > Wonderfull explanation Babaji. > > Can a Sadhak treat the festivals as a celebration they kill thier > Asuric or animal or human - hunam natures to progress in the path of > Sadhna. > > I also think the festivals are meant for the purpose you wrote. But, unfortunately, we forget the main purpose, let me say SOUL OF THE FESTIVALS, and pay attention only to their physical part. It is, just like that we have forgotten the main purpose of various IDOLS/FORMS of GOD (have been discussed many times in this group) but are stick to the forms only. So, the real way to celebrate a fetival is to understand its secret meaning and follow that. Jai Gurudev Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya. Dear AnusyaJi and FarahJi, Nice Questions " tell me how can we get out of karma chain. suppose i kill you in a > birth, in next birth you kill me, and in next to next if kill you and> this will continue for ages. " when we had a discussion, we felt when some bad deed is done giving, it has return in consequent births as suffering and not by returing. Means, i " X " kills " Y " , its not that " Y " will kill " x " in consquent birth, but rather will suffer due to the killing( by some one) of his/her beloved one during that birth. Its the suffering which is a reward for the killing done in the previous birth!. Its a complex system still unexplored " CHIDAMBARA RAHASYAM " and that is the reason even cloning can be a sucessfull one but the prior to it Artificial Intellegence is still unsucessfull. Reg " which bad deed will escape bad Karma?? " - beautifully asked, let me try to explain, if a king orders the soldier to fight for a good cause then this will excape from bad Karma ( But not Karmic cycle as good deeds will come since you killed some one for a good cause ), but if the same king asks his soldiers to fight for a wrong cause to capture for the sake of showing supremacy ... then the killing bad karma will not be on account of the soldier, but it will be on the kings side, but again being under such bad king may be due to your bad karma in the previous birth. oh! oh! Yes AnusuyaJi this goes on and on and on...... sorry i too end up with so many questions. I would say rather than thinking of this, let us meditate, do sadhna and realize GOD instead of analysing the almighty's system!!!! BUT MY HUMAN MIND SAYS LET US ANALZYE!!! still not good enough in the path of sadhna!!!!! Shivaya Namah Aum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 > > If I hurt any human, I will have some karma as a result of this. If > this person is an 'asura human' will my karma be any less? Is > slapping Hitler the same as slapping Mother Theresa? > >Dear Farah ji, our scriptures stress again and again on not hurting, tolerance etc. Even a non vegetarian is a sinner because he has killed and eaten an animal.Violence is violence. Its not justified in any way. But our scriptures say again and again that offence against any higher soul has much grave consequences. For example it is said- " je Guru san irisha karhi raurav narak koti jug parhi " The one who is malicious or jealous of the Guru or spiritual master suffers in hell for a million years Doing any wrong to a higher soul like even a brahmin results in much more reaction than sin against other.The gravest the fault the more grave are results.For example killing a priest is much bigger a sin than killing a bird for obvious reasons such as the priest are the one who supervise the vedic activities .That doesnt mean killing an innocent creature like a bird is a " lesser " sin. Law of karma is relative.For example giving death sentence to a killer is not the same thing as giving death sentence to someone who has just slapped another person Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " janfarah_strongspirit " Hello farahji, Namaste! As you can see practically everyone is here but when the conversation between you and aum was going on everyone myself included were savouring the essence of your talks. Why interfere unless we or atleast i didn't feel the necessity to poke my dirty nose in the middle. Rest assured if there needed any clarification i atleast would have certainly joined the talk. So please do not feel only you two are there, everyone is here. Now since i commented let me tell you i agree with everything aum has said. Only thing i feel is that horoscopically one can also make out if the person is asuric, human, deva/human. But i have also noticed that person whose horoscope states he is of deva/human behaves in asuric manner and one whose horoscope states asuric nature behaves in deva/human fashion. This is confusing. Maybe as they say PLANETS IMPEL YOU TO DO SOMETHING BUT DO NOT COMPEL. With kind regards Sudhakar HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! ) <janfarah_strongspirit wrote: > > And WHERE is everyone else??? > > I feel like its just you & me in a dark tunnel - I can hear our > voices echo.... > > Deito, Ansuya, Aradhana, Bala, Shantnu, Sudhakar, Mr Kumar... where > are you??? > > With love, searching around in the dark with Mr Aum & a torch.... > > Farah > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , ansuya80 <no_reply wrote: > Aum said if a soldier kills enemy he will not be punished. It means > even killing is not sin ? Who will get sin for that innocent death? > , ansuya80 <no_reply wrote: > Aum said if a soldier kills enemy he will not be punished. It means > even killing is not sin ? Who will get sin for that innocent death? Great Question indeed ! Best question of the week i can say. The mathematical precision of physical nature's action and reaction cannot be expected from higher consciousness or god. the subtler the consciousness, the more complex is its reaction... For example we get a disease...our body and mind weeps...but our soul is enjoying that disease as it knows its subtler effects on our awakening. AT times in the individual's life the rebound of this kind of Karma is decisively, often terribly clear and penal justice is done, although it may come to him in an unexpected manner, long delayed and from strange quarters. Nature's ways are sometimes more torturous, subtle, onobstrusive and indeciperable. Often it is a nation that pays in this way for past crimes and mistakes and the sign manual of the law of the Nature is there to point the lesson, but individually it is the innocent who suffer. A commercially minded king of Belgium is moved to make a good thing of the nation's rubber estate and human cattle farm in Africa and his agents murder and mutilate and immolate 1000s of cheap negro lives to hasten the yield and swell king's coffers. That king died in splendour....and none of his agents suffered any agony... But suddenly comes Germany trampling her armed way towards a dream of military and commercial empire through prosperous Belgium and massacred men and women and mutilated children startingly remind us of Karma and illustrate some obscure and capricious law of the the Karma. Taliban and Al-Queda hijacked Indian plane to Afghanistan and brutally butchered the husband of a newly wed bride....America advises us to be patient and keep cool and rejcts this as internal problems of Kashmir..... in next years they hijack their planes and killed thier people on their own land...And america cries Jehadis... terrorists.... Nature wakes us up using our karmas as tools..... Karma rules of good and bad are for common herds... not for a sadhaka. In spirituality two & two do not make four... they can make one, 100 or even infinity Hari Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote: > Only thing i feel is that horoscopically one can also > make out if the person is asuric, human, deva/human. But i have > also noticed that person whose horoscope states he is of deva/human > behaves in asuric manner and one whose horoscope states asuric > nature behaves in deva/human fashion. This is confusing. Maybe as > they say PLANETS IMPEL YOU TO DO SOMETHING BUT DO NOT COMPEL. Dear sudhakar, this explanation is interesting...but is not very clear to me... can you further elaborate this important aspect?? Aum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 > Now since i commented let me tell you i agree with everything aum > has said. Only thing i feel is that horoscopically one can also > make out if the person is asuric, human, deva/human. But i have > also noticed that person whose horoscope states he is of deva/human > behaves in asuric manner and one whose horoscope states asuric > nature behaves in deva/human fashion. This is confusing. Maybe as > they say PLANETS IMPEL YOU TO DO SOMETHING BUT DO NOT COMPEL. Sudhakarji, the astrological Devic/asura classification is for marriage only, & doesnt tell you anything about a persons normal character. Some astrologers try to make a big deal out of it, but I have found it unreliable. love shantnu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > you dancing..keeping aum and farah shan, bala, aradhna all in yr womb > > Aum > Dear spiritual brothers & sisters How wonderful to see everyone busily chatting away whilst Im in my dark tunnel, dancing, chanting Aaaaaauuuuuummmmmm (with my grandson of course) & wondering how I can hold you all in my womb! Yes Sudhakar, Im sure there are many out there.... but its so nice to hear from you all & read your posts, otherwise its like walking the desert some days. I dont like it when its quiet on here - when there is so much to discuss & so much to learn!! (I still haven't compiled my extra questions on chakras & granthis for Mr Aum... but don't tell him yet... I'll give him a rest for today & start again tomorrow!!) With much love to you all Deito - where are you? Farah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2007 This is a good chain that has started. A question arises: If X kills Y. In next life , what if Y forgives X- but X will still get justice- so who will kill X? Will nature use some other tool? Another question- if countries have Karma, then also should all of Earth, & also all of humans. Humans treat Mother Earth so badly- we have destroyed millions of species, animals are tortured for our entertainment, or to make cosmetics. So human beings have a Karma too- does that we will be wiped out, the way we have wiped out others? love Shantnu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 24, 2007 > This is a good chain that has started. A question arises: > If X kills Y. In next life , what if Y forgives X- but X will still Neither anything is killed by, nor anyone can kill. How the justice is done, depends the extend of understanding of the above quoted statement, by individual undifferentiable ego. The word kill makes no meaning, when tried to understood results in a stance of event, that is not existing. The ones indulging in taking pleasure by the nature of unlimited conciousness or even aiming st sucha high potential destination, i guided not to spend time and thoughts ignited in such topics, which do not exist in reality. just one question to this above realization is " what are the things in nature that can really be destroyed, and who does that, or rather who is capable of " i am still not able to decide whether my words are easily comprehendable or whether i made sense by writing the above, at this time. I am doing this against my will, because , neither i am capable of conveyign my message to anyone, until willed by the only will existing. -- Deito Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites