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Sometimes, i feel strange that most of the atheists, so-called modern craps always target vaishnava gods such as krsna,rama or vishnu to blame god and also extend of humilating vaishnava gods in a degrading manner

 

Also in films (mostly southindian) vaishnavas & vaishnavas are targeted or humilated whenever opportunity comes to disgrace God.

 

Also atheist politicians and atheists target vaishnav-gods rather than other hindu-sect gods. For ex:- Burning of sri-ram picture in tamilnadu by a political group, Disgracing rama by Tamilnadu CM, Categorizing Rama as north-indian god by a stupid actor sathyaraja during a food-fast function.

 

It is actually humorous that even though many so called uncivilised rituals done in hindu-religion are actually done by shaivas/sakthas and so called funy fake sadhus come in guise of shaivas, but still vaishnavas are targeted .

 

Om Namo Narayanaya

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Yes, this is a valid point indeed. It is the effect of the yugam, I think. Sri Keshava bhakthi is said to be obtained when the paapa karma accumulated across births decreases and moves towards zero. So, it is pretty clear that these creatures have not reached that stage yet. Wonder what is in store for them! Pitiful condition!

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I think too much tolerance that we ie., vaishnavas are showing. Some action as to be taken if some film or celebrity or politician disgraces vaishnavam. Even Alwars has told tolerancy should not be shown if we see someone disgracing Lord Narayana.

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Sometimes, i feel strange that most of the atheists, so-called modern craps always target vaishnava gods such as krsna,rama or vishnu to blame god and also extend of humilating vaishnava gods in a degrading manner

 

Also in films (mostly southindian) vaishnavas & vaishnavas are targeted or humilated whenever opportunity comes to disgrace God.

 

Also atheist politicians and atheists target vaishnav-gods rather than other hindu-sect gods. For ex:- Burning of sri-ram picture in tamilnadu by a political group, Disgracing rama by Tamilnadu CM, Categorizing Rama as north-indian god by a stupid actor sathyaraja during a food-fast function.

 

It is actually humorous that even though many so called uncivilised rituals done in hindu-religion are actually done by shaivas/sakthas and so called funy fake sadhus come in guise of shaivas, but still vaishnavas are targeted .

 

Om Namo Narayanaya

 

 

No one have Guts to oppose the Wrath Lord Shiva's Warriors( The Veera shaivas )in Indian Soil

 

Because you vaishnavas cant fight like shaivas that's why our Birth Name is Veera shaivas Be thankful that shaivas are Helping you people in Building Ram Mandhir and Opposed Muslims ,Even Muslims,respect and call Lord shiva as ISHWAR they say for Shiva

ISHWAR and Allah are one and the same

 

Shiva Linga represents the Black Stone in HOLY Kaaba in MECCA ,and the CRECERSENT in Lord shiva Head and Islamic Cercersent are one and the same and there are may stories Do you fools Know what is Bhasma means

 

IT means Ash or Vibhoothi

Allah means God,so Bhasma Allah means Ash or Vibhoothi God,Which lord shiva has all over his body

Go to google and see the Black stone of Kaaba which was brought from Heaven by Mohammad and every Muslim who visits Kaaba Worship it which is in the shape of shiv Linga

When lord Rama,and Krishna Worshipped lor shiva What is worrying you people i don't understand Even Maha Vishnu prayed to Dev Adi Dev MahaDev Lord Shiva and was Blessed with Sudarshana Chakra which Lord Shiva gave Him Seeing His Devotion

Stop dividing Hindus as shaivas/sakthas and vaishnava and giving opportunities for others religions to grow in India ok

Om Nama Shivya

 

 

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Saivism is the world's oldest religion. Worshiping God Siva, the compassionate One, it stresses potent disciplines, high philosophy, the guru's centrality and bhakti-raja- siddha yoga leading to oneness with Siva within. Aum.

 

Saivism is ancient, truly ageless, for it has no beginning. It is the precursor of the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism. Scholars trace the roots of Siva worship back more than 8,000 years to the advanced Indus Valley civilization. But sacred writings tell us there never was a time when Saivism did not exist.Saivism's grandeur and beauty are found in a practical culture, an enlightened view of man's place in the universe and a profound system of temple mysticism and siddha yoga. It provides knowledge of man's evolution from God and back to God, of the soul's unfoldment and awakening guided by enlightened sages. Like all the sects, its majority are devout families, headed by hundreds of orders of swamis and sadhus who follow the fiery, world-renouncing path to moksha. The Vedas state, "By knowing Siva, the Auspicious One who is hidden in all things, exceedingly fine, like film arising from clarified butter, the One embracer of the universe--by realizing God, one is released from all fetters." Aum Namah Sivaya.

 

God Shiva is known by various names. One of his names is Bholenath, which means the innocent God. Shiva as Rudra is regarded as the destroyer of evil and sorrow. Shiva as Shankara is known as the doer of good. Lord Shiva has "Trinetra" (divine vision). He is also known as "Nilakantha" (blue necked). This is because of the fact that he consumed the poison 'Halahala' to save the world from destruction. Lord Shiva as Nataraja represents the Divine Cosmic Dancer. Shiva is also known as Ardh narishvara, which symbolises both man and woman.

 

 

Even though he represents destruction, Lord Shiva is viewed as a positive force (the Destroyer of Evil). According to Shaivism, Shiva is not merely a destroyer but performs five functions :

  • Creator Preserver
  • Destroyer
  • Hiding the sins
  • Blessing

Whatever you see, see as Shiva and do not be distressed, O mind! Those who are free from agitation and who the senses five control will surely win the bliss of Shiva. The path prescribed by your religion you should always tread, and live in changeless, silent contemplation. Whatever you see, see as Shiva.

 

Natchintanai, "Whatever You See..." NT, 68

 

Shiva is Maha Kal the Lord of All Lords Even Lord Rama,Krishna,and Vishnu Worshipped Lord Shiva He is Maha Yogi,he is Not Sangara Priya You Need Not decorate Him with jewels and materialistic ornaments or Need not bring him any offerings that's why they say Brahma,Vishnu and SADA Shiv,because his existence is time less age less,see Ramayana,mahabartha you will find pandavayas ,kauravyas all worshipping lords Shiva, all the lords and Demons of 3 lokas worshipped him to get their desired boons,even the jungle tribes in remote places in sri Lanka,thai land,Malaysia and unknown islands believe and worship him its only mind heart and soul,No worly rituals and mantras to perform to reach him.He is Dev adi dev Maha dev he never took any avatars because there is one God Only demi gods comes to Restore with the blessing of Ultimate god,That's why in all Vishnu ,Krishna etc avatars The lords worshipped Mahadev lord Shiva.We don't preach we only meditate and Practice SHIVA-5 words,the Master of 5 elements

 

Water - Thiruvanaikoil

Air - Kalahasti

Fire - Thiruvannamalai

Space - Chidambaram

Earth - Kanchipuram or Thiruvarur.

 

Hope your doubts are Cleared i am not preaching of Shiva my concept is He is the Main Lord and god the Most ancient Lord worshipped by Devatas,rashis,munis ,and Sages, Some early sect of Brahims didn't like Shiva Concept of Equal rights to women,and not to allow them the privilege of Teaching religion,They found New sects of their own according to their own connivance and brought, sati system,and declared that women to only serve their husband ,

 

Do you Know The concept of Ardha Nareshwara.Or ardhanggini (lord Shiva shown as Half male and Half female)

 

(1) In the cosmic scheme man represents Purusha (the Person, Spirit) and woman Prakriti (Nature, primal Matter), both of whom unite to keep the world going. So goes the Vedic verse: ‘I am He, you are She; I am song, you are verse; I am heaven, you are earth. We two shall here together dwell becoming parents of children.’

 

This just one single point not in depth

 

The Ancient brahims Abolished the Savism concept which was practised in India and that time India was in peak of its glory they created caste system according to their occupation and classified according to their jobs which they do in daily life created upper and lower caste and ruled them and the kings which was major draw back in Hindu society which created chance and opportunities from other cultures to easily enter India and showcase our drawback and spread new religion In India The Mother of all religions which Once taught the world the art of war,science ,medicine dance Martial arts, many More is now stands divided

 

"Mankind ought to be taught that religions are but the varied expressions of THE RELIGION, which is Oneness, so that each may choose the path that suits him best." - Swami Vivekananda)the saivism concept

 

Om Nama shivya

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Hinduism is not a single religion

 

 

its the collection of Saivism,Shaktismn,Vaishnavism,Smartism is

 

known today as Hinduism

 

But All four believe in karma and reincarnation and in a Supreme Being who is both form and pervades form, who creates, sustains and destroys the universe only to create it again in unending cycles. They strongly declare the validity and importance of temple worship, in the three worlds of existence and the myriad Gods and devas residing in them. They concur that there is no intrinsic evil, that the cosmos is created out of God and is permeated by Him. They each believe in maya (though their definitions differ somewhat), and in the liberation of the soul from rebirth, called moksha, as the goal of human existence. They believe in dharma and in ahimsa, noninjury, and in the need for a satguru to lead the soul toward Self Realization. They wear the sacred marks, tilaka, on their foreheads as sacred symbols, though each wears a distinct mark. Finally, they prefer cremation of the body upon death, believing that the soul will inhabit another body in the next life. While Hinduism has many sacred scriptures, all sects ascribe the highest authority to the Vedas and Agamas, though their Agamas differ somewhat

 

Eg-like Christianity-(30+ CE) Christianity is divided into three main sects: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant. Among Protestants there are over 20,000 denomin-ations.

Eastern Orthodox-(1054 CE),Lutheran -Martin Luther (1517),Anglican -Henry VIII (1534),Methodist -John Wesley (1739)

Worldwide Church of God -Herbert Armstrong (1933),Baptist John Smyth (1609),Presbyterian -John Knox (1625),Quakers -George Fox (1647),Mormon Joseph Smith (1830) to sum in word they are called Christianity

 

The Ultimate Truth

 

Saivism: There are no divine earthly incarnations of the Supreme Being.

 

(As we believe the supreme God doesn't take birth in the world which was Created by Him he send his Divine Powers in form of Avatars such as Rama,Krishna etc.to save the world,That's why all these Gods worshipped him on earth)

 

God Siva is one with the soul. The soul must realize this advaitic (monistic) Truth by God Siva's grace

 

With bhakti as a base, emphasis is placed on sadhana, tapas (austerity) and yoga. Ascetic.

 

texts-Vedas, Saiva Agamas and Saiva Puranas

 

Geographically widespread, strongest in South and North India, Nepal and Sri Lanka.

 

Time less Truth to be accepted

 

Saivism is ancient, truly ageless, for it has no beginning. It is the precursor of the many-faceted religion now termed Hinduism. Scholars trace the roots of Siva worship back more than 8,000 years to the advanced Indus Valley civilization. But sacred writings tell us there never was a time when Saivism did not exist

 

It provides knowledge of man's evolution from God and back to God, of the soul's unfoldment and awakening guided by enlightened sages. Like all the sects, its majority are devout families, headed by hundreds of orders of swamis and sadhus who follow the fiery, world-renouncing path to moksha.

 

 

The Vedas state, "By knowing Siva, the Auspicious One who is hidden in all things, exceedingly fine, like film arising from clarified butter, the One embracer of the universe by realizing God, one is released from all fetters." Aum Namah Sivaya

 

The Cosmic Dance of Shiva.

 

God and his creation are One. Yet God hides himself from his creation to give himself the joy of discovering God. God is both Creator and the Created. This is also known as the Wisdom of Balance. The Uncreated God and The Created God are One, yet the creation is attached to the grand illusion of separateness. Whenever God's creation discovers God, God discovers himself all over again. God delights in the dance of hiding and discovering his glory. The Cosmic Dance of Shiva.

 

Your life is your part in this awesome Cosmic Dance. Your birth begins with your God Consciousness hid from you. If you have not discovered your unlimited potential in this life you will die, and your soul will go to the unseen state awaiting its chance for another birth. This is the gem of knowledge known as Reincarnation.

 

About Vaishnavism

 

Vaishnavism is also an ancient Hindu sect centering on the worship of Lord Vishnu and His incarnations, especially Krishna and Rama. Largely dualistic, profoundly devotional, it is rich in saints, temples and scriptures. Aum.

 

The worship of Vishnu, meaning "pervader, " dates back to Vedic times. The Pancharatra and Bhagavata sects were popular prior to 300 bce.

 

The Bhagavad Gita states, "On those who meditate on Me and worship with undivided heart, I confer attainment of what they have not, and preserve what they have." Aum Namo Narayanaya.

 

But There is no denial of incarnations and 10 avatars of Lord Vishnu..... But,,,,

 

Proof that Lord Shiva Was there in all yugas and was worshipped by all God and Goddess.There are many instances

 

He was worshipped by lord Rama and Ravana also as he was the only God and energy of good as well as evil,He was a Kind Father who granted all the wishes of the children's who pray to him he never see if his children's intentions but if they pray to him he grants them without thinking he never judges you by you mistakes or past things every time you go to him he you are a New person coming to him with your problems to be solved.

 

Because of his innocence's he is called Bhole nath,

 

But also Notice that when he was around on Earth he did not meet any avatars or none existed only in Heavens his stories with Brahma and Vishnu are mentioned.

 

Here are few incidents mentioned in Holy books about Lord Shiva documented and of his appearances

 

Lord shiva takes the shape of (Lingam) Controls the universe and all the Gods

 

 

 

 

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why the lingam is believed to be one of the most potent emblems in Hindu ideals.

 

It all started with Brahma and Vishnu, who were arguing over their relative supremacy. Their vain arguments were interrupted by a superluminous glow from a strange and blazing pillar, its shape reminiscent of the linga. Both of them sped towards this indescribable flaming light, which grew before their eyes into infinity, piercing the earth and extending through the heavens. Overwhelmed and terrified by the unfathomable vision, the two gods decided to seek the beginning and end of this burning immensity. Brahma taking the form of a swan flew upwards, and Vishnu dove down acquiring the shape of a boar. Both of the gods however, could not fathom the extent of this fiery column at either end, and returned exhausted and bewildered to the level they had started from. At that moment, the central part of the pillar split open and Shiva revealed himself in his full glory. Overawed, both Brahma and Vishnu bowed before him. Thunderous laughter, or the sound of AUM, issued from the pillar, filling the sky.

 

Brahma's head was Ripped off By lord shiva

 

 

 

 

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<!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->once, Brahma and Vishnu were discussing who was the supreme god and then when they came to know from Veda that Shiva is the supreme being, Brahma ignored and spoke bad about Shiva. He got angry and cut off Brahma's head that spoke ill of him, leaving Brahma with four heads instead of five.Shiva is the creator of Dance and of the first 16 rythemic syllabus ever uttered, the Sanskrit language was born. Dance of anger is known as Tandav Nritya, joy as Ananda nritya. Thus, Shiva is also known as Natraja, lord of dance and it is said that on 13th day of each bright lunar fortnight of Hindu calendar, after 6 in the evening, falls a sacred hour called Pradosha and if you worship this time than one gets powers of Universe. It is believed that all Gods gather to witness the dance of Natraja, Shiva.There are around 30 million Linga in temples in India, famous one formed of Ice at Amarnath, Somnath in Gujarat and it is said Shiva sleeps in all Lingas in Chaturmasya and so if one worships the Shivlinga this time, than it is very auspicious. Going for Pilgrimage to all 12 Jyotirlinga means one washes away the sins of last seven births and also reciting the mantras purifies the soul and can attain peacefulness

 

 

 

Lord Krishna's advice to Arjuna

 

 

 

 

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After hearing about the Pandav's exile, Krishna goes to visit them. He advises the Pandavs to prepare for war and tells Arjun to do penance to obtain divine weapons. Arjun does penance and eventually pleases Lord Shiva. Lord Shiva bestows him with the divine Pasupata weapon and advises him to obtain other weapons in Indralok. Rishi Duruvasa visits Hastinapur. In an attempt to humiliate the Pandavs, Duryodhan requests that the sage visit tha Pandavs as well. Rishi Duruvasa promises to do so

 

 

 

Lord shiva grants Draupadi her desired wish

 

 

 

 

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When Sage Vyasa visits the family, he explains to Draupadi that her unique position as the wife of five brothers results from a certain incident in her previous birth. She had in that lifetime prayed to Lord Shiva to grant her a husband with five desired qualities. Lord Shiva, pleased with her devotion, tells her that it is very difficult to get a husband with all five qualities that she desired. But she sticks to her ground and asks for the same. Then Lord Shiva grants her wish saying that she would get the same in her next birth. Hence she gets married to five brothers each who represents a given quality.

 

 

The Sad Truth

 

The Ancient brahims Abolished the Savism concept which was practised in India and that time India was in peak of its glory they created caste system according to their occupation and classified according to their jobs which they do in daily life created upper and lower caste and ruled them and the kings which was major draw back in Hindu society which created chance and opportunities from other cultures to easily enter India and showcase our drawback and spread new religion In India The Mother of all religions which Once taught the world the art of war,science ,medicine dance Martial arts, many More is now stands divided

 

"Mankind ought to be taught that religions are but the varied expressions of THE RELIGION, which is Oneness, so that each may choose the path that suits him best." - Swami Vivekananda)the saivism concept

 

Om Nama shivya

 

 

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This Shiva is God Stuff is Bogus.

 

Lord Shiva is the Brother of the Kumaras & Narada etc.

 

When Lord Brahma passes away --so will all pass away by merging back into MAhaVisnu's Breathing.

 

The Hiarchy of the Descendants of Lord Brahma Maha-pita-ma [Great Grand Father] of the Celestial "Demi-gods" is known.

 

Shiva is Brahma's Son.

 

Shiva & Brahma are Jiva-atmas.

Visnu is a 'plenary expansion' of God in the Material Worlds.

 

But don't let me dissuade you from pursuing your passion.

 

Your evident devotion will bring you to the service of Mahesh's other more-seasoned servants in due time.

 

Since Lord Shiva is a Vaishnava without equal then we must invoke his protection from maya & her illusory spells and her servants too.

 

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This Shiva is God Stuff is Bogus.

 

Lord Shiva is the Brother of the Kumaras & Narada etc.

 

When Lord Brahma passes away --so will all pass away by merging back into MAhaVisnu's Breathing.

 

The Hiarchy of the Descendants of Lord Brahma Maha-pita-ma [Great Grand Father] of the Celestial "Demi-gods" is known.

 

Shiva is Brahma's Son.

 

Shiva & Brahma are Jiva-atmas.

Visnu is a 'plenary expansion' of God in the Material Worlds.

 

But don't let me dissuade you from pursuing your passion.

 

Your evident devotion will bring you to the service of Mahesh's other more-seasoned servants in due time.

 

Since Lord Shiva is a Vaishnava without equal then we must invoke his protection from maya & her illusory spells and her servants too.

 

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bhaktajan I have given you Lessons Personally so reply to one Thread you post the same Questions to all the Thread of mine so i can Keep pasting the same Answers which i had given to this questions in all the Threads Ok Its Boreing Ask different Question in Each Thread Not same in all Threads

 

 

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Shiva Lingam represents the Black Stone in HOLY Kaaba in MECCA ,

Here are the Correct Meaning of Allah

 

Akka Means Goddess and AMBA means Goddess

Allah means God Or Goddess

what is Bhasma means

 

IT means Ash or Vibhoothi (Bhasma)

 

So Bhasma Allah means Ash or Vibhoothi God,

 

Which lord shiva has all over his body

And the CRECERSENT in Lord shiva Head and Islamic Cercersent are one and the same

 

Swetha means Color white

 

Aswetha means Color Black ( antonym to swetha)

 

Nandi in front of Garbhagriha

 

Abraham in front of Kaaba

 

if you Visit any Shiva temple you will find Garbhagriha

in the middle of the temple leaving lots of space for to circumambulate arround it

 

And

 

Garbhagriha will have only one entrance and no Windows

Same way in kaaba also it has only one entrance and no Windows

 

The King Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish Hung inside the Kaaba shine in mecca

 

Hindu prayer Ritual

Namasakar

Hindu prayer Ritual

Namaz

 

Aswetha means Black so in Arabic Aswad means Black

The Black stone on the Kaaba is called Rukn-al-Aswad

 

Go to google and see the Black stone of Kaaba which was brought from Heaven by Mohammad and every Muslim who visits Kaaba Worship it which is in the shape of shiv Linga

Om Nama Shivya

 

This is the pitcher of ancient Priests of India

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Why are there so many threads either ridiculing Shiva or Vishnu? Certainly we agree they are both superior to us right?

 

Let us worship HIS feet first. When he reveals himself finally we can check if he is wearing a chandan, tirumaN or bhasma!!

 

Let me first say that I am a pure vaishNavite and do not worship anybody else because I dont see a need. But these forums can be used to much better purpose than childishly flinging some purANic tales at each others.

 

Dont we know that the Lord knows everything? Then what could happen in this world without his wish? Why should people disrupt the beliefs of each other? Why cant we live in harmony and let the Lord show the way to each one of us??

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all puranas, upanishads and sruthis declare that God is one ......the paramathma.

"ekam sad viprah bahudha vadanthi"----Rigveda

wise people say the one as in many ways.

Vishnu and Siva are one and the same......we should not see even a little difference between them..........says SrimadBhagavatham

also......there is only one.......no two......

that one is paramathma.........beyond three gunas.....

sarvam sivamayam

radhesyam

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They are targetted because they are the most loud about their beliefs, especially the ISKCON people who are known by most of the world by now because of their missionary work. This is why I disagree with preaching. You'll find that its the missionary religions which get mocked the most. Most atheists only have a problem with the missionaries.

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Most atheists only have a problem with the missionaries.

 

On an episode of "SCRUBS" [Television sitcom comedy]

the Chief of Medicine at the Hospital [Dr Kelsow] said,

"Don't complain to me, my son just got kicked out of the Hare Krishnas Temple for being too much of a hippy".

 

I hope that clears things up for all you fault-finders

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Most atheists only have a problem with the missionaries.

 

On an episode of "SCRUBS" [Television sitcom comedy]

the Chief of Medicine at the Hospital [Dr Kelsow] said,

"Don't complain to me, my son just got kicked out of the Hare Krishnas Temple for being too much of a hippy".

 

I hope that clears things up for all you fault-finders

 

But you cannot assume that the scriptwriter was an atheist. And we cannot assume that all these people targetting Vaishnavas are atheists. Most people have a problem with missionaries. Krishna missionaries would have a problem with missionaries of other faiths, just as a Christian missionary would have a problem with missionaries of other faiths. Neither want to be preached at about alternative religions but both want to preach theirs. Atheists are mocked all the time for being “satan” worshippers. They are officially the most despised and distrusted minority in the United States. But as long as the hatred is not directed at us and our beliefs, we don't really care do we.

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