An open letter to Swami Ramdev (on his comments on astrology)

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Namaste friends,

 

This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a direct/indirect access to him and can pass this message on, that will be great!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-----------------------

 

Namaskar Swami Ramdev,

 

I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings of Hindu sages for the betterment of the modern world and your tirade against superstition. But I take a strong exception to the logic given by you to denounce palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the following article on the BBC website:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6240681.stm

 

The above article attributes some statements to you as given below:

 

> If anything, he condemns all superstition and retrogressive beliefs.

>

> "I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all this talk about the lines on

> your hands deciding your future is nothing but nonsense. So is this talk

> of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time and place," he says.

>

> "Can you identify any moment or place where God is not there? He is

> everywhere and all the time. So how can any place or time be less or

> more auspicious?" he asks."

 

I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading. Hindu sages and scriptures have taught different concepts for people at different levels of spiritual progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately.

 

For a great sage who is immersed in the all-pervading Brahman, what you said above is true. There is God in every point of time and space. There is no duality and there is nothing called auspiciousness and inauspiciousness. It is non-dual Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva or Allah or Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you call Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and time - every so-called auspicious and so-called inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded person sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It, but a liberated sage sees only Brahman (non-dual self) in all.

 

If actions started at a particular time result in happiness and actions started at another time result in sadness, such a liberated sage does not look at them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A liberated sage described in "Bhagavad Gita" or "Yoga Vaasishtham" does not distinguish between happiness and sadness, pleasure and pain, good and bad and other opposites of the dual world. All are simply different manifestations/extensions of the same non-dual Brahman to a liberated sage.

 

However, it is vital to note that all this applies only to a liberated sage with self-knowledge. A normal person is not self-realized and hence stuck in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a person cannot see good and bad with an equal vision. If joining in a new job at a particular time makes one have a good time and get a quick promotion and joining in a new job at another times makes one lose that job and stay without job for a year, one may not be capable of looking at both in the same way. One may not be able to see both the (so-called) fortune and (so-called) misfortune as manifestations of the same Brahman. To a normal person, both are significantly different. One elates him/her and the other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is neither elated at the (so-called) fortune nor depressed by the (so-called) misfortune.

 

The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the ultimate non-dual vision as the only reality and dismissed the dual world appearance as a delusion, have also taught the rules to use in swimming the ocean of world appearance. The maharshis were compassionate. They taught not only the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of!

 

When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that deal with auspicious and inauspicious times are meaningless because there is God in all times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally, mixing up different levels of truths. This is misleading and incorrect.

 

Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person seeing no distinction between pleasure and pain, health and disease, fortune and misfortune, life and death, then subjects like astrology that deal with the working of the delusive world appearance that rests on such a duality are useless. However, if one is a "normal person" without self-realization, immersed in the duality of this world appearance, then the astrological teachings of maharshis are quaite relevant. If one cannot see pleasure and pain equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can plan his activities accordingly. Astrological teachings of sages like Parasara, Bhrigu, Kashypa and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in planning the activities.

 

By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels of people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are doing great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to spreading the correct teachings of maharshis.

 

I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the name of astrology these days. Any idiot with a pocket book on astrology can memorize a few paragraphs and become an astrologer these days. Several astrologers loot their customers with false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All that must be condemned. However, that is the fault of some astrologers and not the fault of the subject itself.

 

There are some who have self-lessly dedicated themselves to a sincere and genuine pursuit of the astrological teachings of maharshis. I am a reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech. degree from an IIT and a masters from US - and I say with full honesty that the teachings of Parasara are truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his teachings today. A new generation of scientifically educated astrology enthusiasts like me are trying to revive the true Jyotisha as taught by maharshis. I do research and teach for free. One can download my Jyotisha software for free and mp3 audio recordings of my Jyotisha classes are also free. I do "service" and not "business" with Jyotisha.

 

As such, other educated people look at us with suspicion and skepticism. Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma associated with astrology. When other respected people like you with great following denounce astrology, it is quite disappointing and makes our job even more difficult. If you have not studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please do not comment on astrology. There is no need to make misleading comments based on false logic and make things that are already difficult more difficult for genuine people.

 

Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent the wisdom of ancient rishis to modern Indian populace. This position places a lot of importance and value in whatever you say regarding anything related to ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge. Kindly use your position with good judgment. If you use your position to wrongly denounce some teachings of rishis that you yourself do not have experience in, it will be unfortunate. It will be a disservice to aarsha vidyaa.

 

Apart from these notes of discord related to your comments on Jyotisha, I have the highest respect for you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi and have relied on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the work you have done in reviving the popular interest in Yoga and Ayurveda. Please keep up your great work.

 

Sincere regards,

P.V.R. Narasimha Rao (2007 Feb 11)

 

26 Seaver Farm Lane

South Grafton, MA 01560 USA

Ph: +1-508-839-1218

email: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net

Home: www.VedicAstrologer.org

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Dear Shri Rao Sahab,

 

Namaste,

I totally support your stand on this issue.

People seated at high places have no right to

look down upon those,with whom they have had no

brush. I have heard this one from Baba before

too,and was wondering that how can a knowledgeable

and wise personage like him,could say this.

It puts a wrong impression on the minds of

viewers who have still not formed any opinion

of astrology or Muhurtha Sciences. After

listening to such demeaning utterances from

a venered personality,they would now form a

detrimental one.

 

Yogi is not just being proficient in some

form of Medical science, Yogi is one who

looks at all with equanamity, One in all

and all in One. I respect Baba Ramdev

for the good work he has done in bringing

millions in India to awareness, as well

as in foreign shores,made a name for Indian

way of healing.I have always respected you

too for allowing public access to your software

creation, as well as audios online.Such

acts are also having enough potency of their

own, do not go unnoticed, and carry back

in return the blessings from the people

who have had access to the generousity.

 

Baba Ramdev should be reminded the Shastras

once again,where Bhishma Pitamha the author

of Shri Vishnu Sahasranaam, waited for the

ayan movement of the Sun to take his last

breath.Which in other words means auspicious

time for leaving this world.And should

be asked , why are the festivals being

celebrated on certain days only ?

Is it not something to do with the tithis and

movement of Sun (Makar Sakranti) and the Moon ?

 

He should also be reminded that

knowledge of astrology was prevalent

in that age too, we can find

in verses 23 and 32 of Bhishma Parva

Chapter 2 of Mahabharata, where anyone

with normal knowledge of sanskrit can

understand that mention is made of

Saturn opposing sign of Rohini,and the

great evil foreboded thereof.along

with mention of Krittika.

Understandably our ancestors were not

fools. They were one of the smartest

brains the world has ever produced in

any region.

 

Palmistry has got its own charm.

One may not be able to predict with

it to the incident and date,is a seperate

matter.Even today if Baba were to visit my

place and purify it with his presence,

I can arrange a set of few families

with identical palm prints on their

family members hands which have their

own story to reveal.

 

But I still feel that great people

like Baba Ramdev,though has made mistake

by removing astrology and allied sciences

from a high pedestal, momentarily,

if given a chance to retrospect,

would not probably say the same again.

The extra vigour, the camera lights,

the public patronage,the euphoria

makes all the difference. If one is

sitting alone in a room, then the

outcome may have been different.

 

We shall have to let this pass.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on

astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a

direct/indirect access to him and can pass this message on, that will

be great!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -----------------------

>

> Namaskar Swami Ramdev,

>

> I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings of Hindu sages

for the betterment of the modern world and your tirade against

superstition. But I take a strong exception to the logic given by you

to denounce palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the following

article on the BBC website:

>

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6240681.stm

>

> The above article attributes some statements to you as given below:

>

> > If anything, he condemns all superstition and retrogressive

beliefs.

> >

> > "I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all this talk about

the lines on

> > your hands deciding your future is nothing but nonsense. So is

this talk

> > of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time and place," he

says.

> >

> > "Can you identify any moment or place where God is not there? He

is

> > everywhere and all the time. So how can any place or time be less

or

> > more auspicious?" he asks."

>

> I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading. Hindu sages and

scriptures have taught different concepts for people at different

levels of spiritual progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately.

>

> For a great sage who is immersed in the all-pervading Brahman, what

you said above is true. There is God in every point of time and

space. There is no duality and there is nothing called auspiciousness

and inauspiciousness. It is non-dual Brahman (or Narayana or

Sadashiva or Allah or Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever

you call Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and time - every

so-called auspicious and so-called inauspicious point of time/space.

A deluded person sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It,

but a liberated sage sees only Brahman (non-dual self) in all.

>

> If actions started at a particular time result in happiness and

actions started at another time result in sadness, such a liberated

sage does not look at them differently. He/She will see Brahman in

both. A liberated sage described in "Bhagavad Gita" or "Yoga

Vaasishtham" does not distinguish between happiness and sadness,

pleasure and pain, good and bad and other opposites of the dual

world. All are simply different manifestations/extensions of the same

non-dual Brahman to a liberated sage.

>

> However, it is vital to note that all this applies only to a

liberated sage with self-knowledge. A normal person is not self-

realized and hence stuck in the delusion of this world appearance.

Such a person cannot see good and bad with an equal vision. If

joining in a new job at a particular time makes one have a good time

and get a quick promotion and joining in a new job at another times

makes one lose that job and stay without job for a year, one may not

be capable of looking at both in the same way. One may not be able to

see both the (so-called) fortune and (so-called) misfortune as

manifestations of the same Brahman. To a normal person, both are

significantly different. One elates him/her and the other depresses.

A liberated sage, however, is neither elated at the (so-called)

fortune nor depressed by the (so-called) misfortune.

>

> The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the ultimate non-

dual vision as the only reality and dismissed the dual world

appearance as a delusion, have also taught the rules to use in

swimming the ocean of world appearance. The maharshis were

compassionate. They taught not only the highest truths, but also

lower truths that one of a lower intellectual (and spiritual) calibre

can make use of!

>

> When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that

deal with auspicious and inauspicious times are meaningless because

there is God in all times, they are, intentionally or

unintentionally, mixing up different levels of truths. This is

misleading and incorrect.

>

> Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person seeing no

distinction between pleasure and pain, health and disease, fortune

and misfortune, life and death, then subjects like astrology that

deal with the working of the delusive world appearance that rests on

such a duality are useless. However, if one is a "normal person"

without self-realization, immersed in the duality of this world

appearance, then the astrological teachings of maharshis are quaite

relevant. If one cannot see pleasure and pain equally and desires to

experience pleasure, one can plan his activities accordingly.

Astrological teachings of sages like Parasara, Bhrigu, Kashypa and

Garga are quite relevant to such a person in planning the activities.

>

> By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different

levels of people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis,

you are doing great disservice to people like me who have dedicated

themselves to spreading the correct teachings of maharshis.

>

> I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the name of astrology

these days. Any idiot with a pocket book on astrology can memorize a

few paragraphs and become an astrologer these days. Several

astrologers loot their customers with false/shallow knowledge and

commercialism. All that must be condemned. However, that is the fault

of some astrologers and not the fault of the subject itself.

>

> There are some who have self-lessly dedicated themselves to a

sincere and genuine pursuit of the astrological teachings of

maharshis. I am a reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech.

degree from an IIT and a masters from US - and I say with full

honesty that the teachings of Parasara are truly brilliant and people

use only 1% of his teachings today. A new generation of

scientifically educated astrology enthusiasts like me are trying to

revive the true Jyotisha as taught by maharshis. I do research and

teach for free. One can download my Jyotisha software for free and

mp3 audio recordings of my Jyotisha classes are also free. I

do "service" and not "business" with Jyotisha.

>

> As such, other educated people look at us with suspicion and

skepticism. Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma associated with

astrology. When other respected people like you with great following

denounce astrology, it is quite disappointing and makes our job even

more difficult. If you have not studied the Jyotisha teachings of

maharshis, please do not comment on astrology. There is no need to

make misleading comments based on false logic and make things that

are already difficult more difficult for genuine people.

>

> Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent the wisdom of

ancient rishis to modern Indian populace. This position places a lot

of importance and value in whatever you say regarding anything

related to ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge. Kindly use your

position with good judgment. If you use your position to wrongly

denounce some teachings of rishis that you yourself do not have

experience in, it will be unfortunate. It will be a disservice to

aarsha vidyaa.

>

> Apart from these notes of discord related to your comments on

Jyotisha, I have the highest respect for you. I myself am somewhat of

a yogi and have relied on ayurveda for several years now and I

respect the work you have done in reviving the popular interest in

Yoga and Ayurveda. Please keep up your great work.

>

> Sincere regards,

> P.V.R. Narasimha Rao (2007 Feb 11)

>

> 26 Seaver Farm Lane

> South Grafton, MA 01560 USA

> Ph: +1-508-839-1218

> email: pvr

> Home: www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

> Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2/12/07, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

>

>

> I myself am somewhat of a yogi

 

 

The "somewhat" can vanish as well, if you stop thinking you're one. With a

high level of spiritual insight, a yogi won't even realize, or bother to

realize, that he's one. Agree?

 

Ramapriya

[Guest guest]

II Om Gurave Namah II

Hari OM

1."When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that deal with auspicious

and inauspicious times are meaningless because there is God in all times, they are,

intentionally or unintentionally, mixing up different levels of truths. This is misleading

and incorrect." writes PVR ji

2."There should be an element of mystery. If everything is known about me, people will

be less interested. Till the time they know little about me, they are always curious to

know more. It's human nature," he explains. Report referred.

Really funny . While searching for Hindi web writing on a hindi Web page i saw a photograph

showing Swami Ramdev getting his hand read by a palmist.Believe me i did see this photo

palmist reading his hand wearing white dress knealing in a house.Palmist claimed He is

Ramdev, and it appeared clearly to be so.

Yes It is painful to see contradictions in life, but so what? life is like that.

Many celebrate spiritual gurus laughs at astrolgy and palmistry, I have met some calling horoscope as horrorscope

and believe me they are world exponent of Mantra shastra and conducts classes and workshops worldwide.

I think It is gods plan, we should continue to tread our journey without regrets.

 

OM TATSAT

------------------------

R.C.Srivastava

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Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

 

-

Sanjay Rath

Monday, February 12, 2007 4:13 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] An open letter to Swami Ramdev (on his comments on astrology)

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Narasimha

 

I have posted a strong reaction to the link that Swee gave for BBC, also at the Ramdev's organisation and also in the blog and lists. This mail is published in SJC web and should apper in the news section.

Best wishes and warm regards,

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Monday, February 12, 2007 4:46 AM

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[Om Krishna Guru] An open letter to Swami Ramdev (on his comments on astrology)

 

 

Namaste friends,

 

This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a direct/indirect access to him and can pass this message on, that will be great!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-----------------------

 

Namaskar Swami Ramdev,

 

I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings of Hindu sages for the betterment of the modern world and your tirade against superstition. But I take a strong exception to the logic given by you to denounce palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the following article on the BBC website:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6240681.stm

 

The above article attributes some statements to you as given below:

 

> If anything, he condemns all superstition and retrogressive beliefs.

>

> "I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all this talk about the lines on

> your hands deciding your future is nothing but nonsense. So is this talk

> of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time and place," he says..

>

> "Can you identify any moment or place where God is not there? He is

> everywhere and all the time. So how can any place or time be less or

> more auspicious?" he asks."

 

I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading. Hindu sages and scriptures have taught different concepts for people at different levels of spiritual progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately.

 

For a great sage who is immersed in the all-pervading Brahman, what you said above is true. There is God in every point of time and space. There is no duality and there is nothing called auspiciousness and inauspiciousness. It is non-dual Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva or Allah or Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you call Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and time - every so-called auspicious and so-called inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded person sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It, but a liberated sage sees only Brahman (non-dual self) in all.

 

If actions started at a particular time result in happiness and actions started at another time result in sadness, such a liberated sage does not look at them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A liberated sage described in "Bhagavad Gita" or "Yoga Vaasishtham" does not distinguish between happiness and sadness, pleasure and pain, good and bad and other opposites of the dual world. All are simply different manifestations/extensions of the same non-dual Brahman to a liberated sage.

 

However, it is vital to note that all this applies only to a liberated sage with self-knowledge. A normal person is not self-realized and hence stuck in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a person cannot see good and bad with an equal vision. If joining in a new job at a particular time makes one have a good time and get a quick promotion and joining in a new job at another times makes one lose that job and stay without job for a year, one may not be capable of looking at both in the same way. One may not be able to see both the (so-called) fortune and (so-called) misfortune as manifestations of the same Brahman. To a normal person, both are significantly different. One elates him/her and the other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is neither elated at the (so-called) fortune nor depressed by the (so-called) misfortune.

 

The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the ultimate non-dual vision as the only reality and dismissed the dual world appearance as a delusion, have also taught the rules to use in swimming the ocean of world appearance. The maharshis were compassionate. They taught not only the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of!

 

When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that deal with auspicious and inauspicious times are meaningless because there is God in all times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally, mixing up different levels of truths. This is misleading and incorrect.

 

Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person seeing no distinction between pleasure and pain, health and disease, fortune and misfortune, life and death, then subjects like astrology that deal with the working of the delusive world appearance that rests on such a duality are useless. However, if one is a "normal person" without self-realization, immersed in the duality of this world appearance, then the astrological teachings of maharshis are quaite relevant. If one cannot see pleasure and pain equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can plan his activities accordingly. Astrological teachings of sages like Parasara, Bhrigu, Kashypa and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in planning the activities.

 

By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels of people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are doing great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to spreading the correct teachings of maharshis.

 

I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the name of astrology these days. Any idiot with a pocket book on astrology can memorize a few paragraphs and become an astrologer these days. Several astrologers loot their customers with false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All that must be condemned. However, that is the fault of some astrologers and not the fault of the subject itself.

 

There are some who have self-lessly dedicated themselves to a sincere and genuine pursuit of the astrological teachings of maharshis. I am a reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech. degree from an IIT and a masters from US - and I say with full honesty that the teachings of Parasara are truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his teachings today. A new generation of scientifically educated astrology enthusiasts like me are trying to revive the true Jyotisha as taught by maharshis. I do research and teach for free. One can download my Jyotisha software for free and mp3 audio recordings of my Jyotisha classes are also free. I do "service" and not "business" with Jyotisha.

 

As such, other educated people look at us with suspicion and skepticism.. Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma associated with astrology. When other respected people like you with great following denounce astrology, it is quite disappointing and makes our job even more difficult. If you have not studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please do not comment on astrology. There is no need to make misleading comments based on false logic and make things that are already difficult more difficult for genuine people.

 

Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent the wisdom of ancient rishis to modern Indian populace. This position places a lot of importance and value in whatever you say regarding anything related to ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge. Kindly use your position with good judgment. If you use your position to wrongly denounce some teachings of rishis that you yourself do not have experience in, it will be unfortunate. It will be a disservice to aarsha vidyaa.

 

Apart from these notes of discord related to your comments on Jyotisha, I have the highest respect for you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi and have relied on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the work you have done in reviving the popular interest in Yoga and Ayurveda. Please keep up your great work.

 

Sincere regards,

P.V.R. Narasimha Rao (2007 Feb 11)

 

26 Seaver Farm Lane

South Grafton, MA 01560 USA

Ph: +1-508-839-1218

email: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net

Home: www.VedicAstrologer.org

-------------------------------

Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

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Before debate takes a unpalatable turn, just have some fun,please

look what is happenning in the photograph.

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radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

I appreciate your rejoinder .

I too share your feelings.

 

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends,

This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a direct/indirect access to him and can pass this message on, that will be great!

Best regards,

Narasimha

-----------------------

Namaskar Swami Ramdev,

I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings of Hindu sages for the betterment of the modern world and your tirade against superstition. But I take a strong exception to the logic given by you to denounce palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the following article on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6240681.stm

The above article attributes some statements to you as given below:

> If anything, he condemns all superstition and retrogressive beliefs.

>

> "I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all this talk about the lines on

> your hands deciding your future is nothing but nonsense. So is this talk

> of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time and place," he says.

>

> "Can you identify any moment or place where God is not there? He is

> everywhere and all the time. So how can any place or time be less or

> more auspicious?" he asks."

I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading. Hindu sages and scriptures have taught different concepts for people at different levels of spiritual progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately.

For a great sage who is immersed in the all-pervading Brahman, what you said above is true. There is God in every point of time and space. There is no duality and there is nothing called auspiciousness and inauspiciousness. It is non-dual Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva or Allah or Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you call Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and time - every so-called auspicious and so-called inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded person sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It, but a liberated sage sees only Brahman (non-dual self) in all.

If actions started at a particular time result in happiness and actions started at another time result in sadness, such a liberated sage does not look at them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A liberated sage described in "Bhagavad Gita" or "Yoga Vaasishtham" does not distinguish between happiness and sadness, pleasure and pain, good and bad and other opposites of the dual world. All are simply different manifestations/extensions of the same non-dual Brahman to a liberated sage.

However, it is vital to note that all this applies only to a liberated sage with self-knowledge. A normal person is not self-realized and hence stuck in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a person cannot see good and bad with an equal vision. If joining in a new job at a particular time makes one have a good time and get a quick promotion and joining in a new job at another times makes one lose that job and stay without job for a year, one may not be capable of looking at both in the same way. One may not be able to see both the (so-called) fortune and (so-called) misfortune as manifestations of the same Brahman. To a normal person, both are significantly different. One elates him/her and the other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is neither elated at the (so-called) fortune nor depressed by the (so-called) misfortune.

The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the ultimate non-dual vision as the only reality and dismissed the dual world appearance as a delusion, have also taught the rules to use in swimming the ocean of world appearance. The maharshis were compassionate. They taught not only the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of!

When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that deal with auspicious and inauspicious times are meaningless because there is God in all times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally, mixing up different levels of truths. This is misleading and incorrect.

Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person seeing no distinction between pleasure and pain, health and disease, fortune and misfortune, life and death, then subjects like astrology that deal with the working of the delusive world appearance that rests on such a duality are useless. However, if one is a "normal person" without self-realization, immersed in the duality of this world appearance, then the astrological teachings of maharshis are quaite relevant. If one cannot see pleasure and pain equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can plan his activities accordingly. Astrological teachings of sages like Parasara, Bhrigu, Kashypa and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in planning the activities.

By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels of people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are doing great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to spreading the correct teachings of maharshis.

I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the name of astrology these days. Any idiot with a pocket book on astrology can memorize a few paragraphs and become an astrologer these days. Several astrologers loot their customers with false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All that must be condemned. However, that is the fault of some astrologers and not the fault of the subject itself.

There are some who have self-lessly dedicated themselves to a sincere and genuine pursuit of the astrological teachings of maharshis. I am a reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech. degree from an IIT and a masters from US - and I say with full honesty that the teachings of Parasara are truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his teachings today. A new generation of scientifically educated astrology enthusiasts like me are trying to revive the true Jyotisha as taught by maharshis. I do research and teach for free. One can download my Jyotisha software for free and mp3 audio recordings of my Jyotisha classes are also free. I do "service" and not "business" with Jyotisha.

As such, other educated people look at us with suspicion and skepticism. Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma associated with astrology. When other respected people like you with great following denounce astrology, it is quite disappointing and makes our job even more difficult. If you have not studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please do not comment on astrology. There is no need to make misleading comments based on false logic and make things that are already difficult more difficult for genuine people.

Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent the wisdom of ancient rishis to modern Indian populace. This position places a lot of importance and value in whatever you say regarding anything related to ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge. Kindly use your position with good judgment. If you use your position to wrongly denounce some teachings of rishis that you yourself do not have experience in, it will be unfortunate. It will be a disservice to aarsha vidyaa.

Apart from these notes of discord related to your comments on Jyotisha, I have the highest respect for you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi and have relied on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the work you have done in reviving the popular interest in Yoga and Ayurveda. Please keep up your great work.

Sincere regards,

P.V.R. Narasimha Rao (2007 Feb 11)

26 Seaver Farm Lane

South Grafton, MA 01560 USA

Ph: +1-508-839-1218

email: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net

Home: www.VedicAstrologer.org

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[Guest guest]

, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Ramapriya

>

> I appreciate your views. At least you have the courage to not to

believe in

> non-verifiable stuff that is staple diet of many religions, cults and

> societies.

>

> I wouldn't want you to change your stance - but a lot is available

away from

> the madness of dos' and donts' and heavens and hells and "God"

acting as a

> punisher on the "day of judgment". Perhaps one day, you'll find yourself

> immersed in it. The point is that the concept of "God" external to

us, as an

> object, is foolishness.

>

> We'll probably need another forum to discuss it.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

 

 

Dear Sri Bharat,

 

Just to clarify, I don't either reject the possibility of God's

existence or trust that God exists. I'm at peace on not having to sit

on judgment on either theory. Works really simply and fine for me

 

Cheers,

Ramapriya

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Srivastava ,

 

It actually looks like the palmist approached Swami Ramdev to give him a chance to read his palm . This is one of the abhorrent trend in astrologers palmists of today . They keep approaching celebrity clients for photo opportunity .

 

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Monday, February 12, 2007 10:40 PM

Re: An open letter to Swami Ramdev (on his comments on astrology)

 

 

 

II Om Gurave Namah II

Hari OM Friends

Before debate takes a unpalatable turn, just have some fun,please

look what is happenning in the photograph.

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Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

[Guest guest]

Arjun ji,

 

Hopefully I would be pardoned by the spiritual community for not

being aware of this swamiji and his scholarship, abilities etc. But

this exchange brings to mind something from many years ago.

 

In A.M. during my youth an editorial was published by Sri B.V. Raman

in which he commented on the 186 or 187 (?) Nobel Laureates who had

signed a petition against astrology! These cream of the cream

scientists and Intellectuals signed something which they had no

direct or significant knowledge or experience of, as far as I know.

 

While they summarily dismissed astrology as superstition, without

learning, practicing and testing and THEN pronouncing their judgment

against it -- they reminded me, a science student back then, that

scientists are but human and as biased as the farmer who delivered

our vegetables and was convinced that the Peepul tree had a ghost! He

never saw the ghost, never experienced it, never tried or learned to

become capable of seeing/experiencing spirits but he had a very

strong opinion that there was a ghost up on the peepul tree. This in

some ways was a polar opposite to the 186 nobel laureats but a rigid

and meaningless bias generated in the absence of direct experience!

 

One wonders how fine a line exists between BIAS and delusion in

certain cases!

 

Astrology being a technical subject, capable of being learned,

practiced, tested and then judged, as many sane jyotishis obviously

do in their lifetimes.

 

However it seems a whole bunch of otherwise very rational and

hopefully observant scientists fell in the trap of making a hasty,

biased judgment. And so did, it seems some otherwise spiritual and

revered human beings!

 

What underlies this thread is the FACT that all are humans and

capable of making mistakes, as soon as we stray too far out of our

territory of knowledge, expertise and knowing!

 

I rest my case!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> respected narasimhaji has mentioned clearly in his open letter that

> if swami ramdevji metioned the futility of astrology from the

> perspective of a realised soul, there is no wrong in the sayings of

> ramdevji. i request all members not to treat this letter as an

> attack against ramdevji and every one jump in painting ramdevji as

> bad.

>

> many realised souls like ramana maharshi, ramakrishna, vivekananda

> and shankaracharyas have called the grihasthshrama and the various

> material problems faced by humans as a maya and pitied such people

> for their become slaves of this maya. many shankaracharyas and

even

> classics eulogise brahmacharya and spiritual path for god

> realisation. most members who work on laptops, do jobs and earn

> monies, have wives and children may find this not to their liking,

> but these preachings are aimed at a differnt set of people who are

> interested in realising god within (atmajnanam) and not craving for

> worldy pleasures.

>

> i too echo and support the views of ramdevji in saying that if a

> person realises the god within, all planets and astrology, nay, all

> material things become meaningless for him. this is a truth or

> reality which is experienced only by realised souls. however,

since

> most of the population (more than 99%) is not realised, they do

need

> these aides like astrology. in an earlier thread in other group,

> myself and various astrologer fraternity expressed similar views

that

> if a person achieves self realisation and is free from the bondage

of

> material world, malefic planets and bad dashas cannot harm him as

he

> has grown beyond benefic and malefic affects and good and bad

phases.

>

> ramdevji has done greatest service to the humanity at large by

> advocating the great benefits of simple pranayama and yoga

exercises

> (zero expense inhouse remedies) in curing most diseases faced by

the

> modern man. various state governments and the union government of

> india have acknowledged in writing the usefulness of the yogic

> exercies and pranayama as demonstrated by ramdevji. crores of

humans

> across all religions got benefited by ramdevji.

>

> having known ramdevji well, i can say clearly that what all he said

> on the futility of astrology is only through and for the perception

> of a realised soul.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> vedic astrology, "S.C. Kursija"

> <sckursija@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Sri Gurave Namah:

> > Respected Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,

> > I appreciated your open letter. I agree with you that

> > there is dwait and Adwait vada. Normal person thinks

> > of dwait vada though he is to reach Adwait vada. So I

> > agree that one should start from the bottom i.e. Dwait

> > Vada. God is present every where and every particle of

> > the Universe,animate and inanimate.He covers every

> > point of space and time.But for the normal man some

> > time is good and some time is bad. He wants to avoid

> > bad time.Astrology is nothing but to guide a person to

> > select a good time and avoid bad time in the journey

> > of life.

> > More over I shall like to appeal to T.V

> > channels,particularly in India who are telecasting

> > programme on Astrology should be careful in selecting

> > the type of programme.They should not spread

> > superstition and misunderstanding among the masses in

> > India who are not highly educated and but have belief

> > and faith on Astrology. Since centuries their life

> > style, seasons, and festivals etc are set according to

> > Astrology. On rising he pray to God and recite Mantra

> > for planets etc. They believe in duality. Even Swami

> > Ramdev, when he was in Kankhal at Haridwar, in his

> > early days was doing the same. The unscrupulous and

> > commercial astrologers are selling their Ratna and

> > Yantra on T.V to solve their problems. T.V. channels

> > are partner to them. They should desist from the same

> > as their duty is to educated the masses and remove

> > superstition among them. The electronic media have

> > done good work RTI, NIthari case and so many other

> > criminal cases. They have put the criminals behind the

> > bar otherwise Court of law have set them free in

> > absence of evidences. The police have become alert due

> > to them. Thanks to them. But in case of astrology

> > media is not cautious. Please take astrology in right

> > prospective.

> > I again appreciate your letter to Swami Ramdev

> >

> >

> > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding

> > > some comments on astrology attributed to him on the

> > > BBC website. If any of you have a direct/indirect

> > > access to him and can pass this message on, that

> > > will be great!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -----------------------

> > >

> > > Namaskar Swami Ramdev,

> > >

> > > I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings

> > > of Hindu sages for the betterment of the modern

> > > world and your tirade against superstition. But I

> > > take a strong exception to the logic given by you to

> > > denounce palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the

> > > following article on the BBC website:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6240681.stm

> > >

> > > The above article attributes some statements to you

> > > as given below:

> > >

> > > > If anything, he condemns all superstition and

> > > retrogressive beliefs.

> > > >

> > > > "I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all

> > > this talk about the lines on

> > > > your hands deciding your future is nothing but

> > > nonsense. So is this talk

> > > > of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time

> > > and place," he says.

> > > >

> > > > "Can you identify any moment or place where God is

> > > not there? He is

> > > > everywhere and all the time. So how can any place

> > > or time be less or

> > > > more auspicious?" he asks."

> > >

> > > I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading.

> > > Hindu sages and scriptures have taught different

> > > concepts for people at different levels of spiritual

> > > progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately.

> > >

> > > For a great sage who is immersed in the

> > > all-pervading Brahman, what you said above is true.

> > > There is God in every point of time and space. There

> > > is no duality and there is nothing called

> > > auspiciousness and inauspiciousness. It is non-dual

> > > Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva or Allah or

> > > Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you

> > > call Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and

> > > time - every so-called auspicious and so-called

> > > inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded person

> > > sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It,

> > > but a liberated sage sees only Brahman (non-dual

> > > self) in all.

> > >

> > > If actions started at a particular time result in

> > > happiness and actions started at another time result

> > > in sadness, such a liberated sage does not look at

> > > them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A

> > > liberated sage described in "Bhagavad Gita" or "Yoga

> > > Vaasishtham" does not distinguish between happiness

> > > and sadness, pleasure and pain, good and bad and

> > > other opposites of the dual world. All are simply

> > > different manifestations/extensions of the same

> > > non-dual Brahman to a liberated sage.

> > >

> > > However, it is vital to note that all this applies

> > > only to a liberated sage with self-knowledge. A

> > > normal person is not self-realized and hence stuck

> > > in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a

> > > person cannot see good and bad with an equal vision.

> > > If joining in a new job at a particular time makes

> > > one have a good time and get a quick promotion and

> > > joining in a new job at another times makes one lose

> > > that job and stay without job for a year, one may

> > > not be capable of looking at both in the same way.

> > > One may not be able to see both the (so-called)

> > > fortune and (so-called) misfortune as manifestations

> > > of the same Brahman. To a normal person, both are

> > > significantly different. One elates him/her and the

> > > other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is

> > > neither elated at the (so-called) fortune nor

> > > depressed by the (so-called) misfortune.

> > >

> > > The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the

> > > ultimate non-dual vision as the only reality and

> > > dismissed the dual world appearance as a delusion,

> > > have also taught the rules to use in swimming the

> > > ocean of world appearance. The maharshis were

> > > compassionate. They taught not only the highest

> > > truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower

> > > intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use

> > > of!

> > >

> > > When learned men like you claim that subjects like

> > > astrology that deal with auspicious and inauspicious

> > > times are meaningless because there is God in all

> > > times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally,

> > > mixing up different levels of truths. This is

> > > misleading and incorrect.

> > >

> > > Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person

> > > seeing no distinction between pleasure and pain,

> > > health and disease, fortune and misfortune, life and

> > > death, then subjects like astrology that deal with

> > > the working of the delusive world appearance that

> > > rests on such a duality are useless. However, if one

> > > is a "normal person" without self-realization,

> > > immersed in the duality of this world appearance,

> > > then the astrological teachings of maharshis are

> > > quaite relevant. If one cannot see pleasure and pain

> > > equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can

> > > plan his activities accordingly. Astrological

> > > teachings of sages like Parasara, Bhrigu, Kashypa

> > > and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in

> > > planning the activities.

> > >

> > > By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for

> > > different levels of people to dismiss the

> > > astrological teachings of maharshis, you are doing

> > > great disservice to people like me who have

> > > dedicated themselves to spreading the correct

> > > teachings of maharshis.

> > >

> > > I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the

> > > name of astrology these days. Any idiot with a

> > > pocket book on astrology can memorize a few

> > > paragraphs and become an astrologer these days.

> > > Several astrologers loot their customers with

> > > false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All that

> > > must be condemned. However, that is the fault of

> > > some astrologers and not the fault of the subject

> > > itself.

> > >

> > > There are some who have self-lessly dedicated

> > > themselves to a sincere and genuine pursuit of the

> > > astrological teachings of maharshis. I am a

> > > reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech.

> > > degree from an IIT and a masters from US - and I say

> > > with full honesty that the teachings of Parasara are

> > > truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his

> > > teachings today. A new generation of scientifically

> > > educated astrology enthusiasts like me are trying to

> > > revive the true Jyotisha as taught by maharshis. I

> > > do research and teach for free. One can download my

> > > Jyotisha software for free and mp3 audio recordings

> > > of my Jyotisha classes are also free. I do "service"

> > > and not "business" with Jyotisha.

> > >

> > > As such, other educated people look at us with

> > > suspicion and skepticism. Unfortunately, there is a

> > > certain stigma associated with astrology. When other

> > > respected people like you with great following

> > > denounce astrology, it is quite disappointing and

> > > makes our job even more difficult. If you have not

> > > studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please

> > > do not comment on astrology. There is no need to

> > > make misleading comments based on false logic and

> > > make things that are already difficult more

> > > difficult for genuine people.

> > >

> > > Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent

> > > the wisdom of ancient rishis to modern Indian

> > > populace. This position places a lot of importance

> > > and value in whatever you say regarding anything

> > > related to ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge.

> > > Kindly use your position with good judgment. If you

> > > use your position to wrongly denounce some teachings

> > > of rishis that you yourself do not have experience

> > > in, it will be unfortunate. It will be a disservice

> > > to aarsha vidyaa.

> > >

> > > Apart from these notes of discord related to your

> > > comments on Jyotisha, I have the highest respect for

> > > you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi and have relied

> > > on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the

> > > work you have done in reviving the popular interest

> > > in Yoga and Ayurveda. Please keep up your great

> > > work.

> > >

> > > Sincere regards,

> > > P.V.R. Narasimha Rao (2007 Feb 11)

> > >

> > > 26 Seaver Farm Lane

> > > South Grafton, MA 01560 USA

> > > Ph: +1-508-839-1218

> > > email: pvr@

> > > Home: www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > >

> > >

> > -------------------------------

> > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> > -------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear Arjun ji,

 

<sigh!> I was not at all implying that either or both are correct or

complete/comprehensive in their understanding :-)

 

Both are INCOMPLETE and that is where their 'biases' arise from and

come into play (and plague their lives in some cases and of those

that they attempt to teach and lead!)

 

I disagree also that scientist and spiritualist belong to distinct

communities and "never shall the twain meet!" There is a beautiful

book named, "Biology of Belief" by a scientist named Dr. Bruce Lipton

which I would recommend that all scientists and spiritualists study!

 

Whether one arrives in Sedona from Phoenix or Flagstaff airports

(using a North American example), is immaterial! Once off the plane

and in Sedona, the wise focus on the destination and not which

airline they took or how the service on it was, assuming of course

that they arrived safely in one piece and their luggage was not lost

in transit (only the karmic one got lost, I hasten to add and

clarify!)

 

RR

 

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> as you observed correctly, both contrasting communities are correct

> in their own ways.

>

> now it is a well known fact that astrology has gained wider

> acceptance across all religions in all countries so much so that

> every newspaper, every telivision channel, every email providing

> website and every mobile phone provider have a daily horoscope or

> stars or signs based predictions.

>

> thanks to great institutions like SJC, Bhartiya vidyabhawan and

ICAS

> which have taught this great divine science to lakhs of discerning

> astrologers across the world. my humble observation is that

> astrology has now been so widely accepted and so widely practiced

> that it needs no protectors. the rampant commercialisation by the

> media has only helped this divine science gaining greater reach to

> general masses, even while benefiting some commercial practitioners

> like kalyanavarma said about astrology in saravali "dhanarjane

> sahaya". hence we all have only praise for the astrology.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> >

> > On reading your reply, and fearful that I may have not clearly

> stated

> > my thoughts to the point of confusing or obfuscating some

readers --

>

> > please allow me to restate my thoughts, briefly!

> >

> > I was not upholding science or scientists and their views or

biases

> > about their own craft or of those of others!

> >

> > The point I was trying to make was simply this: The loftiest

> > intellectual or the most glorified spiritualist that walks this

> > planet suffer from similarities!

> >

> > They both do a lot of good in their lifetimes spent on this

planet

> > but both are plagued by the same condition!

> >

> > They are human and therefore not perfect in their perception and

> > vision about everything around them!

> >

> > The scientist makes mistaken assumptions and is subject to bias

> when

> > he steps out of his Newtonian Universe!

> >

> > The spiritualist faces the same fate when he steps out of

> > his "Lakshman Rekha" drawn in most cases by his prior karmas!

> >

> > Strangely -- in this case, Astrology, the EYE of the Vedas has

> found

> > that it is not understood by the Scientist nor by the

Spiritualist!

> >

> > We astrologers, tiny as we are must sit up and realize what a

gift

> we

> > have been provided by our karma or by the Grace of God! We bring

> > science and spiritualism to its shores and both benefit from its

> pure

> > beauty!

> >

> > Little wonder that Astrology can live in and indeed requires the

> > Newtonian Universe (that is how we fix the planets in a

horoscope)

> > and the Quantum reality (Planets as Devas, as energies) for its

> > REALITY to come alive. I only wish we could all realize and

> > experience that.

> >

> > Namastey,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RRji

> > >

> > > freedom of speech and expression are our fundamental rights in

> our

> > > constitution and anyone can vent his or her views for or

against

> > any

> > > one or any subject.

> > >

> > > as regards several scientists denouncing astrology, it is their

> > > perspective as they are supporting themselves with their own

> logic.

> > >

> > > since i am in the practice of alternative healing and curing, i

> > know

> > > many doctors who denounce these alternatives as superstition

and

> > > suggest only scientific medicine (chemistry) through english

> > > medicines for curing diseases. but there are still crores of

> > people

> > > in india who go for gulping a small fish with miracle medicine

in

> > > hyderabad for curing asthma and getting healed through mantras

> for

> > > measles etc. you are aware of how a baby in coma for more than

> six

> > > months was failed by the best doctors in delhi and brought back

> to

> > > normal life within 15 minutes after the possessed evil was

> removed

> > by

> > > me.

> > >

> > > hence my submission is that science and superstition both exist

> as

> > > they are accepted and practiced by two sets of people with two

> > > contrasting perceptions. one shall not criticise the other or

> try

> > to

> > > change the other is what i preach and practice.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Rohiniranjan"

> > > <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Arjun ji,

> > > >

> > > > Hopefully I would be pardoned by the spiritual community for

> not

> > > > being aware of this swamiji and his scholarship, abilities

etc.

> > But

> > > > this exchange brings to mind something from many years ago.

> > > >

> > > > In A.M. during my youth an editorial was published by Sri

B.V.

> > > Raman

> > > > in which he commented on the 186 or 187 (?) Nobel Laureates

who

> > had

> > > > signed a petition against astrology! These cream of the cream

> > > > scientists and Intellectuals signed something which they had

no

> > > > direct or significant knowledge or experience of, as far as I

> > know.

> > > >

> > > > While they summarily dismissed astrology as superstition,

> without

> > > > learning, practicing and testing and THEN pronouncing their

> > > judgment

> > > > against it -- they reminded me, a science student back then,

> that

> > > > scientists are but human and as biased as the farmer who

> > delivered

> > > > our vegetables and was convinced that the Peepul tree had a

> > ghost!

> > > He

> > > > never saw the ghost, never experienced it, never tried or

> learned

> > > to

> > > > become capable of seeing/experiencing spirits but he had a

very

> > > > strong opinion that there was a ghost up on the peepul tree.

> This

> > > in

> > > > some ways was a polar opposite to the 186 nobel laureats but

a

> > > rigid

> > > > and meaningless bias generated in the absence of direct

> > experience!

> > > >

> > > > One wonders how fine a line exists between BIAS and delusion

in

> > > > certain cases!

> > > >

> > > > Astrology being a technical subject, capable of being

learned,

> > > > practiced, tested and then judged, as many sane jyotishis

> > obviously

> > > > do in their lifetimes.

> > > >

> > > > However it seems a whole bunch of otherwise very rational and

> > > > hopefully observant scientists fell in the trap of making a

> > hasty,

> > > > biased judgment. And so did, it seems some otherwise

spiritual

> > and

> > > > revered human beings!

> > > >

> > > > What underlies this thread is the FACT that all are humans

and

> > > > capable of making mistakes, as soon as we stray too far out

of

> > our

> > > > territory of knowledge, expertise and knowing!

> > > >

> > > > I rest my case!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > respected narasimhaji has mentioned clearly in his open

> letter

> > > that

> > > > > if swami ramdevji metioned the futility of astrology from

the

> > > > > perspective of a realised soul, there is no wrong in the

> > sayings

> > > of

> > > > > ramdevji. i request all members not to treat this letter

as

> an

> > > > > attack against ramdevji and every one jump in painting

> ramdevji

> > > as

> > > > > bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > many realised souls like ramana maharshi, ramakrishna,

> > > vivekananda

> > > > > and shankaracharyas have called the grihasthshrama and the

> > > various

> > > > > material problems faced by humans as a maya and pitied such

> > > people

> > > > > for their become slaves of this maya. many shankaracharyas

> and

> > > > even

> > > > > classics eulogise brahmacharya and spiritual path for god

> > > > > realisation. most members who work on laptops, do jobs and

> > earn

> > > > > monies, have wives and children may find this not to their

> > > liking,

> > > > > but these preachings are aimed at a differnt set of people

> who

> > > are

> > > > > interested in realising god within (atmajnanam) and not

> craving

> > > for

> > > > > worldy pleasures.

> > > > >

> > > > > i too echo and support the views of ramdevji in saying that

> if

> > a

> > > > > person realises the god within, all planets and astrology,

> nay,

> > > all

> > > > > material things become meaningless for him. this is a

truth

> or

> > > > > reality which is experienced only by realised souls.

> however,

> > > > since

> > > > > most of the population (more than 99%) is not realised,

they

> do

> > > > need

> > > > > these aides like astrology. in an earlier thread in other

> > group,

> > > > > myself and various astrologer fraternity expressed similar

> > views

> > > > that

> > > > > if a person achieves self realisation and is free from the

> > > bondage

> > > > of

> > > > > material world, malefic planets and bad dashas cannot harm

> him

> > as

> > > > he

> > > > > has grown beyond benefic and malefic affects and good and

bad

> > > > phases.

> > > > >

> > > > > ramdevji has done greatest service to the humanity at large

> by

> > > > > advocating the great benefits of simple pranayama and yoga

> > > > exercises

> > > > > (zero expense inhouse remedies) in curing most diseases

faced

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > modern man. various state governments and the union

> government

> > > of

> > > > > india have acknowledged in writing the usefulness of the

> yogic

> > > > > exercies and pranayama as demonstrated by ramdevji. crores

> of

> > > > humans

> > > > > across all religions got benefited by ramdevji.

> > > > >

> > > > > having known ramdevji well, i can say clearly that what all

> he

> > > said

> > > > > on the futility of astrology is only through and for the

> > > perception

> > > > > of a realised soul.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "S.C. Kursija"

> > > > > <sckursija@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Sri Gurave Namah:

> > > > > > Respected Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,

> > > > > > I appreciated your open letter. I agree with you that

> > > > > > there is dwait and Adwait vada. Normal person thinks

> > > > > > of dwait vada though he is to reach Adwait vada. So I

> > > > > > agree that one should start from the bottom i.e. Dwait

> > > > > > Vada. God is present every where and every particle of

> > > > > > the Universe,animate and inanimate.He covers every

> > > > > > point of space and time.But for the normal man some

> > > > > > time is good and some time is bad. He wants to avoid

> > > > > > bad time.Astrology is nothing but to guide a person to

> > > > > > select a good time and avoid bad time in the journey

> > > > > > of life.

> > > > > > More over I shall like to appeal to T.V

> > > > > > channels,particularly in India who are telecasting

> > > > > > programme on Astrology should be careful in selecting

> > > > > > the type of programme.They should not spread

> > > > > > superstition and misunderstanding among the masses in

> > > > > > India who are not highly educated and but have belief

> > > > > > and faith on Astrology. Since centuries their life

> > > > > > style, seasons, and festivals etc are set according to

> > > > > > Astrology. On rising he pray to God and recite Mantra

> > > > > > for planets etc. They believe in duality. Even Swami

> > > > > > Ramdev, when he was in Kankhal at Haridwar, in his

> > > > > > early days was doing the same. The unscrupulous and

> > > > > > commercial astrologers are selling their Ratna and

> > > > > > Yantra on T.V to solve their problems. T.V. channels

> > > > > > are partner to them. They should desist from the same

> > > > > > as their duty is to educated the masses and remove

> > > > > > superstition among them. The electronic media have

> > > > > > done good work RTI, NIthari case and so many other

> > > > > > criminal cases. They have put the criminals behind the

> > > > > > bar otherwise Court of law have set them free in

> > > > > > absence of evidences. The police have become alert due

> > > > > > to them. Thanks to them. But in case of astrology

> > > > > > media is not cautious. Please take astrology in right

> > > > > > prospective.

> > > > > > I again appreciate your letter to Swami Ramdev

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > > > > > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding

> > > > > > > some comments on astrology attributed to him on the

> > > > > > > BBC website. If any of you have a direct/indirect

> > > > > > > access to him and can pass this message on, that

> > > > > > > will be great!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > -----------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar Swami Ramdev,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings

> > > > > > > of Hindu sages for the betterment of the modern

> > > > > > > world and your tirade against superstition. But I

> > > > > > > take a strong exception to the logic given by you to

> > > > > > > denounce palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the

> > > > > > > following article on the BBC website:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6240681.stm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above article attributes some statements to you

> > > > > > > as given below:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anything, he condemns all superstition and

> > > > > > > retrogressive beliefs.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all

> > > > > > > this talk about the lines on

> > > > > > > > your hands deciding your future is nothing but

> > > > > > > nonsense. So is this talk

> > > > > > > > of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time

> > > > > > > and place," he says.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Can you identify any moment or place where God is

> > > > > > > not there? He is

> > > > > > > > everywhere and all the time. So how can any place

> > > > > > > or time be less or

> > > > > > > > more auspicious?" he asks."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading.

> > > > > > > Hindu sages and scriptures have taught different

> > > > > > > concepts for people at different levels of spiritual

> > > > > > > progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For a great sage who is immersed in the

> > > > > > > all-pervading Brahman, what you said above is true.

> > > > > > > There is God in every point of time and space. There

> > > > > > > is no duality and there is nothing called

> > > > > > > auspiciousness and inauspiciousness. It is non-dual

> > > > > > > Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva or Allah or

> > > > > > > Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you

> > > > > > > call Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and

> > > > > > > time - every so-called auspicious and so-called

> > > > > > > inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded person

> > > > > > > sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It,

> > > > > > > but a liberated sage sees only Brahman (non-dual

> > > > > > > self) in all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If actions started at a particular time result in

> > > > > > > happiness and actions started at another time result

> > > > > > > in sadness, such a liberated sage does not look at

> > > > > > > them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A

> > > > > > > liberated sage described in "Bhagavad Gita" or "Yoga

> > > > > > > Vaasishtham" does not distinguish between happiness

> > > > > > > and sadness, pleasure and pain, good and bad and

> > > > > > > other opposites of the dual world. All are simply

> > > > > > > different manifestations/extensions of the same

> > > > > > > non-dual Brahman to a liberated sage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, it is vital to note that all this applies

> > > > > > > only to a liberated sage with self-knowledge. A

> > > > > > > normal person is not self-realized and hence stuck

> > > > > > > in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a

> > > > > > > person cannot see good and bad with an equal vision.

> > > > > > > If joining in a new job at a particular time makes

> > > > > > > one have a good time and get a quick promotion and

> > > > > > > joining in a new job at another times makes one lose

> > > > > > > that job and stay without job for a year, one may

> > > > > > > not be capable of looking at both in the same way.

> > > > > > > One may not be able to see both the (so-called)

> > > > > > > fortune and (so-called) misfortune as manifestations

> > > > > > > of the same Brahman. To a normal person, both are

> > > > > > > significantly different. One elates him/her and the

> > > > > > > other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is

> > > > > > > neither elated at the (so-called) fortune nor

> > > > > > > depressed by the (so-called) misfortune.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the

> > > > > > > ultimate non-dual vision as the only reality and

> > > > > > > dismissed the dual world appearance as a delusion,

> > > > > > > have also taught the rules to use in swimming the

> > > > > > > ocean of world appearance. The maharshis were

> > > > > > > compassionate. They taught not only the highest

> > > > > > > truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower

> > > > > > > intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use

> > > > > > > of!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When learned men like you claim that subjects like

> > > > > > > astrology that deal with auspicious and inauspicious

> > > > > > > times are meaningless because there is God in all

> > > > > > > times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally,

> > > > > > > mixing up different levels of truths. This is

> > > > > > > misleading and incorrect.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person

> > > > > > > seeing no distinction between pleasure and pain,

> > > > > > > health and disease, fortune and misfortune, life and

> > > > > > > death, then subjects like astrology that deal with

> > > > > > > the working of the delusive world appearance that

> > > > > > > rests on such a duality are useless. However, if one

> > > > > > > is a "normal person" without self-realization,

> > > > > > > immersed in the duality of this world appearance,

> > > > > > > then the astrological teachings of maharshis are

> > > > > > > quaite relevant. If one cannot see pleasure and pain

> > > > > > > equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can

> > > > > > > plan his activities accordingly. Astrological

> > > > > > > teachings of sages like Parasara, Bhrigu, Kashypa

> > > > > > > and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in

> > > > > > > planning the activities.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for

> > > > > > > different levels of people to dismiss the

> > > > > > > astrological teachings of maharshis, you are doing

> > > > > > > great disservice to people like me who have

> > > > > > > dedicated themselves to spreading the correct

> > > > > > > teachings of maharshis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the

> > > > > > > name of astrology these days. Any idiot with a

> > > > > > > pocket book on astrology can memorize a few

> > > > > > > paragraphs and become an astrologer these days.

> > > > > > > Several astrologers loot their customers with

> > > > > > > false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All that

> > > > > > > must be condemned. However, that is the fault of

> > > > > > > some astrologers and not the fault of the subject

> > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are some who have self-lessly dedicated

> > > > > > > themselves to a sincere and genuine pursuit of the

> > > > > > > astrological teachings of maharshis. I am a

> > > > > > > reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech.

> > > > > > > degree from an IIT and a masters from US - and I say

> > > > > > > with full honesty that the teachings of Parasara are

> > > > > > > truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his

> > > > > > > teachings today. A new generation of scientifically

> > > > > > > educated astrology enthusiasts like me are trying to

> > > > > > > revive the true Jyotisha as taught by maharshis. I

> > > > > > > do research and teach for free. One can download my

> > > > > > > Jyotisha software for free and mp3 audio recordings

> > > > > > > of my Jyotisha classes are also free. I do "service"

> > > > > > > and not "business" with Jyotisha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As such, other educated people look at us with

> > > > > > > suspicion and skepticism. Unfortunately, there is a

> > > > > > > certain stigma associated with astrology. When other

> > > > > > > respected people like you with great following

> > > > > > > denounce astrology, it is quite disappointing and

> > > > > > > makes our job even more difficult. If you have not

> > > > > > > studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please

> > > > > > > do not comment on astrology. There is no need to

> > > > > > > make misleading comments based on false logic and

> > > > > > > make things that are already difficult more

> > > > > > > difficult for genuine people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent

> > > > > > > the wisdom of ancient rishis to modern Indian

> > > > > > > populace. This position places a lot of importance

> > > > > > > and value in whatever you say regarding anything

> > > > > > > related to ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge.

> > > > > > > Kindly use your position with good judgment. If you

> > > > > > > use your position to wrongly denounce some teachings

> > > > > > > of rishis that you yourself do not have experience

> > > > > > > in, it will be unfortunate. It will be a disservice

> > > > > > > to aarsha vidyaa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Apart from these notes of discord related to your

> > > > > > > comments on Jyotisha, I have the highest respect for

> > > > > > > you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi and have relied

> > > > > > > on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the

> > > > > > > work you have done in reviving the popular interest

> > > > > > > in Yoga and Ayurveda. Please keep up your great

> > > > > > > work.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincere regards,

> > > > > > > P.V.R. Narasimha Rao (2007 Feb 11)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 26 Seaver Farm Lane

> > > > > > > South Grafton, MA 01560 USA

> > > > > > > Ph: +1-508-839-1218

> > > > > > > email: pvr@

> > > > > > > Home: www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I have personally heard him talk against astrology on a TV interview,

but do not give much credence to it,

because he is also a human being, and certain lapses are to be

forgotten and forgived, because I am sure if talked with him in a

room privately with him, he would noit repeat the statement.

he may have meant that Karma is pradhan and not to give unnecessary

weightage to astrology.he may have meant "Dev Dev aalsi pukara " like

Lakshmana,

we do not know unless someone speaks to him, and confirms this.

Though he is a great personage and is not supposed to utter any

statemnets against astrology knowing that this is a part of Hindu

culture, but at times, for the advantage of public, and to put them

on path of activity and remove them from letharginess, such great

personages may utter these.I would rather forgive him for this lapse

if done 1-2 times, cause he has certainly done great work for the

Physical health of the public in India and abroad, and also

for for upholding the Indian way of Yoga and spiritualism and being a

Modern baba to core in practise too.

 

rest God knows.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, "Venkat Machiraju"

<punditvenkat wrote:

>

> jyotish is called veda chekshu - eye of vedas I don't think any

spiritual person can deny it.

> Perhaps swami ramdev was criticizing those who have not studied the

science but give predications based on miiinimal knowledge or perhaps

he was commenting on the fact that any predication given by man is

subject to being incorrect due to our minimal vision?

> I did not see the article where he criticized astrology.

> -

> vedicastrostudent

>

> Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:07 PM

> Re: An open letter to Swami Ramdev (on

his comments on astrology)

>

>

> Dear Ramapriya,

> Swami Vivekananda was skeptical of astrology? Then I forget which

> book it was, but one of Sanjay Rath's books talks about the

astrology

> of Swami Vivekananda's iccha mrityu, and that he, Swami

Vivekananda,

> examined the panchanga for an opportune moment a week or so

before the

> actual event. If he didnt believe in astrology, why would he need

to

> choose the "right" time? Or have the facts been misrepresented?

>

> Sundeep

>

> > Dear Sri Shashie,

> >

> > While debate is a great democratic process of tabling a point

and

> arguing

> > it, let's not be oblivious to some rather famous and great

names of

> the past

> > being skeptical of astrology. If we penned a list, Swami

Vivekananda

> would

> > be certainly be the top seed.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Ramapriya

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not writing in particular for Bhaskar but in general for criticism

against astrology.

Khushwant Singh write openly against astrology , but sometimes will

recommend that he met such and such Palmist who impressed him ;

Once after reading a write up of Khushwant Singh against Astrology I

was furious and was interested to write back .

One of my friend a Judge asked me to remain calm. " For your faith and

learning you need not convince others to have faith in the same

spirit you had.Draw a bigger line to prove yourself instead wasting

your time on such persons. "

Can any body who proclaimed himself as a Guru/Teacher to the coming

generations through Books or institutes draw a bigger circle than the

persons to whom he wanted to condemn is the answer to them. Some

wonderful prediction about such persons in particular could be the only

answer to such persons. And that can be done in three lines.Or don't

waste your time , and let you master yourself to draw a bigger line till

that time remain satisfied with those who had faith in you/astrology.

With Best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> I have personally heard him talk against astrology on a TV interview,

> but do not give much credence to it,

> because he is also a human being, and certain lapses are to be

> forgotten and forgived, because I am sure if talked with him in a

> room privately with him, he would noit repeat the statement.

> he may have meant that Karma is pradhan and not to give unnecessary

> weightage to astrology.he may have meant "Dev Dev aalsi pukara " like

> Lakshmana,

> we do not know unless someone speaks to him, and confirms this.

> Though he is a great personage and is not supposed to utter any

> statemnets against astrology knowing that this is a part of Hindu

> culture, but at times, for the advantage of public, and to put them

> on path of activity and remove them from letharginess, such great

> personages may utter these.I would rather forgive him for this lapse

> if done 1-2 times, cause he has certainly done great work for the

> Physical health of the public in India and abroad, and also

> for for upholding the Indian way of Yoga and spiritualism and being a

> Modern baba to core in practise too.

>

> rest God knows.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, "Venkat Machiraju"

> <punditvenkat wrote:

> >

> > jyotish is called veda chekshu - eye of vedas I don't think any

> spiritual person can deny it.

> > Perhaps swami ramdev was criticizing those who have not studied the

> science but give predications based on miiinimal knowledge or perhaps

> he was commenting on the fact that any predication given by man is

> subject to being incorrect due to our minimal vision?

> > I did not see the article where he criticized astrology.

> > -

> > vedicastrostudent

> >

> <%40>

> > Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:07 PM

> > Re: An open letter to Swami Ramdev (on

> his comments on astrology)

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramapriya,

> > Swami Vivekananda was skeptical of astrology? Then I forget which

> > book it was, but one of Sanjay Rath's books talks about the

> astrology

> > of Swami Vivekananda's iccha mrityu, and that he, Swami

> Vivekananda,

> > examined the panchanga for an opportune moment a week or so

> before the

> > actual event. If he didnt believe in astrology, why would he need

> to

> > choose the "right" time? Or have the facts been misrepresented?

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > > Dear Sri Shashie,

> > >

> > > While debate is a great democratic process of tabling a point

> and

> > arguing

> > > it, let's not be oblivious to some rather famous and great

> names of

> > the past

> > > being skeptical of astrology. If we penned a list, Swami

> Vivekananda

> > would

> > > be certainly be the top seed.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > > Ramapriya

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,

 

Namaskar,

 

Your letter is all about the statment of Swami Ramdev regarding astrology. It does not object to his other statments.

 

In India, everybody has right to voice his own opinion/views. You can not object it unless they are provocative or harmful. Swami Ramdev, being a leading yoga leader has voiced his own views.

 

Having pointing out the above, I would like to inform you that Swami Ramdev is a master in yoga. The person of his stature would not make any silly statements without knowing about it. The common man believes that astrology about knowing future/past. What will he achieve it by knowing the future. It will affect his health but nothing. Besides, astrology is not a perfect science yet. Very very few astrogers are perfect and they are not reachable.

 

Man is slowly progressing towards spritualism and Swami Ramdev might have had his share of experiences of palmist during his college days. That does not mean that he should stick to what he did during his college days. Man realizes many things slowly and accordingly he change his thinking/views. Today, he has devoted his full time for the benefit of mankind but tomorrow, if he receive his higher realization, he may feel that only realizing god is important and give complete time for meditation instead of teaching yoga.

 

Every human being does what he believes in but he can be wrong at certain point of time. Realized souls do not make such mistakes but stay away from this materialistic world. Under the above circumstances, the astrologers/palmists can object Swami Ramdev's statements regarding astrology. But it does not matter. Swami Ramdev is not considered as a realized/liberated soul but a very good human being doing a great job for the mankind. Realized/libherated souls never get involved in this materilist world of maya.