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Dear sirs,

 

I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to

determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the

choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

 

My birth details are:

00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

 

Awaiting your reply,

Kishore

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, "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote:

>

> Dear sirs,

>

> I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to

> determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the

> choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

 

 

The addle is for the simple reason that your lagna lord switches from

a (dire) fixed to a (rather more favorable) dual sign using the Raman

ayanamsa.

 

Since you're alive (correct me if I'm wrong), you've beaten both

balarishta (kicking it under eight) and alpayu (short life, which

extends until your wisdom teeth show up), and are presently in the

madhyayu (middle longevity).

 

Cheers,

Ramapriya

 

PS: Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.

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Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how did

you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with

another ?

 

And put this analysis in detail.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv

wrote:

>

> Dear sirs,

>

> I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to

> determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the

> choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

>

> My birth details are:

> 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

>

> Awaiting your reply,

> Kishore

>

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Dear Rampriyaji,

 

Kyon itni mehnat karte ho Bhai ? Why are you working so hard by

making 2 charts and then checking ? He has posted this enquiry on

other Forums too, and he just wants to know his longevity.

is scared thatswhy. Why should a 30 year old person be asking

about his longevity I cant understand . People who have been

suffering from AIDs or such diseases which are terminal have to

worry. Not normal people at that age.

 

A real astrologer would have put his analysis before you and then

talked. Which is what I have asked this gentleman in Jyotish remedies

Group.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear sirs,

> >

> > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

method to

> > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is

the

> > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

>

>

> The addle is for the simple reason that your lagna lord switches

from

> a (dire) fixed to a (rather more favorable) dual sign using the

Raman

> ayanamsa.

>

> Since you're alive (correct me if I'm wrong), you've beaten both

> balarishta (kicking it under eight) and alpayu (short life, which

> extends until your wisdom teeth show up), and are presently in the

> madhyayu (middle longevity).

>

> Cheers,

> Ramapriya

>

> PS: Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually)

unnecessary.

>

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Dear Bhaskar,

 

Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

women in the family have died early due to ovarian

cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

imminent.

 

Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

predicted an early death (I've heard about their

predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

subject lives their life believing in the feared

fate).

 

OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

interested in learning astrology and is testing

different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

different systems gave me different results.

 

So there can be lots of reasons.

 

Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

when two different systems give conflicting answers?

What other tests of longevity could this person check

in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

benefit more than this one person who is asking.

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

(HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

 

Best of wishes to you both!

Mary

 

 

 

 

Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now.

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Dear Mary,

 

Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

and now I dont care.............

But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

 

Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

till his astrological reply comes forth.

 

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, Mary Quinn <mary1quinn

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> imminent.

>

> Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> subject lives their life believing in the feared

> fate).

>

> OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> interested in learning astrology and is testing

> different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> different systems gave me different results.

>

> So there can be lots of reasons.

>

> Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> What other tests of longevity could this person check

> in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> benefit more than this one person who is asking.

>

> Dear Ramapriya,

>

> (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

>

> Best of wishes to you both!

> Mary

>

>

>

>

____________________

______________

> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers..

Try it now.

>

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Bhaskar ji,

 

One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got

shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

 

RR

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how

did

> you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with

> another ?

>

> And put this analysis in detail.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear sirs,

> >

> > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

method to

> > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is

the

> > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> >

> > My birth details are:

> > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> >

> > Awaiting your reply,

> > Kishore

> >

>

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Dear Inshore

 

I just recently put this method to the test and found it didn't work at all, so I wouldn't worry if I were you.

margaret

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kishore_kv

Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:03 PM

Longetivity

 

 

Dear sirs,

 

I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs method to

determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is the

choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

 

My birth details are:

00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

 

Awaiting your reply,

Kishore

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The problem is caused by the ascendant lord Moon being in Aquarius as

per Lahiri ayanamsa and in Pisces as per Raman.

 

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Bhaskar ji,

>

> One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got

> shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

>

> RR

>

> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis ,

how

> did

> > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with

> > another ?

> >

> > And put this analysis in detail.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sirs,

> > >

> > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

> method to

> > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is

> the

> > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> > >

> > > My birth details are:

> > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> > >

> > > Awaiting your reply,

> > > Kishore

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Sir,

 

You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of lagna

as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs method)

got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as opposed

to Lahiri ayanamsa.

 

Thanks,

Kishore

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Bhaskar ji,

>

> One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got

> shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

>

> RR

>

> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis ,

how

> did

> > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with

> > another ?

> >

> > And put this analysis in detail.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sirs,

> > >

> > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

> method to

> > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why

is

> the

> > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> > >

> > > My birth details are:

> > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> > >

> > > Awaiting your reply,

> > > Kishore

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskarji,

 

I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4

(pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology" An integrated

approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

 

Here is the analysis:

 

With Raman Ayanamsa:

1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long

life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

 

2. Moon and Saturn

In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a

fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

 

3. Lagna and Hora lagna

In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in

Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

 

>From the above three, a long life is indicated.

 

With Lahiri ayanamsa:

1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short

life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

 

2. Moon and Saturn

In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a

fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

 

3. Lagna and Hora lagna

In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in

Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

 

The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs

indicate short life.

 

Kindly advice on what I should do?

 

Thanks,

Kishore

 

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis , how

did

> you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with

> another ?

>

> And put this analysis in detail.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear sirs,

> >

> > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

method to

> > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is

the

> > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> >

> > My birth details are:

> > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> >

> > Awaiting your reply,

> > Kishore

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskarji,

 

My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools.

First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am

alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis dispassionately.

I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an

answer to this problem.

 

Here are the atrological analysis details:

 

I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4

(pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated

approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

 

Here is the analysis:

 

With Raman Ayanamsa:

1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long

life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

 

2. Moon and Saturn

In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a

fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

 

3. Lagna and Hora lagna

In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in

Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

 

>From the above three, a long life is indicated.

 

With Lahiri ayanamsa:

1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short

life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

 

2. Moon and Saturn

In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a

fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

 

3. Lagna and Hora lagna

In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in

Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

 

The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs

indicate short life.

 

Kindly comment on this.

 

Thanks,

Kishore

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mary,

>

> Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

> My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

> on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

> and now I dont care.............

> But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

> reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

> both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

>

> Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

> I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

> till his astrological reply comes forth.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> > women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> > imminent.

> >

> > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> > predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> > subject lives their life believing in the feared

> > fate).

> >

> > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> > interested in learning astrology and is testing

> > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> > different systems gave me different results.

> >

> > So there can be lots of reasons.

> >

> > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> > when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> > What other tests of longevity could this person check

> > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> > benefit more than this one person who is asking.

> >

> > Dear Ramapriya,

> >

> > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

> >

> > Best of wishes to you both!

> > Mary

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

___________________

_

> ______________

> > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at

www.Answers..

> Try it now.

> >

>

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I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years

(nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms of

ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique!

 

RR

 

, "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of lagna

> as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs

method)

> got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as opposed

> to Lahiri ayanamsa.

>

> Thanks,

> Kishore

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and got

> > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the analysis ,

> how

> > did

> > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long with

> > > another ?

> > >

> > > And put this analysis in detail.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "kishore_kv"

> <kishore_kv@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sirs,

> > > >

> > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

> > method to

> > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use

Lahiri

> > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why

> is

> > the

> > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> > > >

> > > > My birth details are:

> > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> > > >

> > > > Awaiting your reply,

> > > > Kishore

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Ramapriyaji,

 

Thanks for your response. I am very interested in Vedic astrology

and its tools. I have been interested in astrology in general from

the time when a nadi astrologer took my thumb print and gave details

like name, wife's name, father and mothers' name etc. I had been

blown away by that. Past had been perfectly told by him, but future

had been different. Nothing happened that which he predicted in the

future.

 

As I said I am a student of astrology. I wanted to know how this

addle could be resolved. Luckily it happened in the very first

horoscope I took (mine). So I got a great opportunity to know things

like if method of three pairs is a tie, what are the other methods

of finding longetivity more accurately. Any educated advice is

welcome on this.

 

Regards,

Kishore

 

, "Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d

wrote:

>

> , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear sirs,

> >

> > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three pairs

method to

> > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use Lahiri

> > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa. Why is

the

> > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

>

>

> The addle is for the simple reason that your lagna lord switches

from

> a (dire) fixed to a (rather more favorable) dual sign using the

Raman

> ayanamsa.

>

> Since you're alive (correct me if I'm wrong), you've beaten both

> balarishta (kicking it under eight) and alpayu (short life, which

> extends until your wisdom teeth show up), and are presently in the

> madhyayu (middle longevity).

>

> Cheers,

> Ramapriya

>

> PS: Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually)

unnecessary.

>

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Dear RR,

 

Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three

pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used for

determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted.

 

Thanks,

Kishore

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32 years

> (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms

of

> ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique!

>

> RR

>

> , "kishore_kv"

> <kishore_kv@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of

lagna

> > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs

> method)

> > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as

opposed

> > to Lahiri ayanamsa.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kishore

> >

> > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and

got

> > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the

analysis ,

> > how

> > > did

> > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long

with

> > > > another ?

> > > >

> > > > And put this analysis in detail.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "kishore_kv"

> > <kishore_kv@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three

pairs

> > > method to

> > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use

> Lahiri

> > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa.

Why

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> > > > >

> > > > > My birth details are:

> > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> > > > >

> > > > > Awaiting your reply,

> > > > > Kishore

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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On 2/11/07, Mary Quinn <mary1quinn > wrote:

>

>

> Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> imminent.

 

 

 

Dear Mary,

 

I've more than once gotten my my balance years totaled up :) Shortly after

arriving in Dubai 4 years ago, our company got this bright notion of doing

business in Afghanistan and the brighter notion still of posting me there.

Not unnaturally, I wanted to know whether my death would be by quartering or

impaling. Just as my astro pal in Hyderabad said I'd live to write this to

you now, wiser counsel prevailed and the company sent me to Sudan instead to

dodge landmines, scorpions and vipers for a year. I survived with nary a

scratch :)

 

Oh and interestingly, shortly after getting into the astro stream of things,

I recall a series of Sunday learning sessions at Bangalore, with a 'guru' to

guide us. In one of the sessions, we discussed longevity. For some effing

reason, the 'guru' took up my chart and remarked that the prognosis beyond

the immediate future wasn't bright. Watching a wife readying for widowhood

and a 3-yr old thrilled at debuting in a funeral was ineffable (5 years on,

he still asks!).

 

This longevity matter isn't as easy or simplistic as made out in some astro

books. One bet you can never lose, however, is telling someone that he/she

won't die before <insert date> :)

 

Sorry for being prolix,

 

Ramapriya

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Dear Mary,

 

As you aptly said, my main interest is to do permutations and

combinations and see how different "rules" hold up. Somehow the very

first horoscope I took up (mine) put me in this quandary.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Kishore

 

, Mary Quinn <mary1quinn

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> imminent.

>

> Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> subject lives their life believing in the feared

> fate).

>

> OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> interested in learning astrology and is testing

> different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> different systems gave me different results.

>

> So there can be lots of reasons.

>

> Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> What other tests of longevity could this person check

> in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> benefit more than this one person who is asking.

>

> Dear Ramapriya,

>

> (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

>

> Best of wishes to you both!

> Mary

>

>

>

>

___________________

_______________

> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers..

Try it now.

>

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On 2/12/07, kishore_kv <kishore_kv > wrote:

>

> Dear Mary,

>

> As you aptly said, my main interest is to do permutations and

> combinations and see how different "rules" hold up. Somehow the very

> first horoscope I took up (mine) put me in this quandary.

 

 

 

Dear Sri Kishore,

 

One thing I found myself doing, when the astro bug first bit me, was trying

to apply everything I read and/or understood to my own chart, followed by my

neighbor's wife's. It didn't take long to realize that being too attached to

a subject can cloud much-needed objectivity.

 

Regards,

Ramapriya

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Kishore,

Normally, the simple Pindayaur method, amshaayur method for

longevity are not enough. Even few combinations of planets, say 6th

lord in 6th house etc also helps to increase the longevity when the

Pinda method gives only 10 years...

I would suggest not to focus on Longevity....as calculation of

Longevity is like a hard nut to crack!!

Thanq

Gaurav

 

, "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three

> pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used

for

> determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted.

>

> Thanks,

> Kishore

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32

years

> > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms

> of

> > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "kishore_kv"

> > <kishore_kv@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of

> lagna

> > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs

> > method)

> > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as

> opposed

> > > to Lahiri ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Kishore

> > >

> > > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and

> got

> > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the

> analysis ,

> > > how

> > > > did

> > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long

> with

> > > > > another ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And put this analysis in detail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "kishore_kv"

> > > <kishore_kv@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three

> pairs

> > > > method to

> > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use

> > Lahiri

> > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa.

> Why

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birth details are:

> > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awaiting your reply,

> > > > > > Kishore

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Kishoreji,

 

I was like you at your age with nobody to

guide me for my fears, but my own books and

studies. I would like to help you if I can

and may.

 

First let me know if you have felt any of

the undermentioned results since last

2 years(from 2004 ending and 2005 starting)

and if yes then which one.Am trying to

check some matters.

 

a) New job ,strained relations with

spouse (If married),health taken a beating

severely,any sort of save from some accident,

any hospital visits for ownself,

any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone,

or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere

since this date and continuing till today .

Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain

times.

 

b)Any sort of properties received from father

or good ancestral property is there for you to

look upon. Any type of interest developed

since last 2 years for any type of serious study.

Long religious journey undertaken.

Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in

last two years or great promises witnessed

for a good future.

 

Please reply, so that I can persue further on

this matter.

 

I request thereaders not to enter this thread

till few conversations are completed between me

and Mr.Kishore and we arrive at some consensus.

cause I do not wish him to be influenced but would

require a one to one dialouge on this with him.

 

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools.

> First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am

> alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis dispassionately.

> I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an

> answer to this problem.

>

> Here are the atrological analysis details:

>

> I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section 14.4

> (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated

> approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

>

> Here is the analysis:

>

> With Raman Ayanamsa:

> 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

> pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long

> life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

>

> 2. Moon and Saturn

> In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a

> fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

>

> 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in

> Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

>

> From the above three, a long life is indicated.

>

> With Lahiri ayanamsa:

> 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

> aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So short

> life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

>

> 2. Moon and Saturn

> In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a

> fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

>

> 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is in

> Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

>

> The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two pairs

> indicate short life.

>

> Kindly comment on this.

>

> Thanks,

> Kishore

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mary,

> >

> > Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

> > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

> > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

> > and now I dont care.............

> > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

> > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

> > both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

> >

> > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

> > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

> > till his astrological reply comes forth.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> > > imminent.

> > >

> > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> > > subject lives their life believing in the feared

> > > fate).

> > >

> > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> > > interested in learning astrology and is testing

> > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> > > different systems gave me different results.

> > >

> > > So there can be lots of reasons.

> > >

> > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> > > when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> > > What other tests of longevity could this person check

> > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> > > benefit more than this one person who is asking.

> > >

> > > Dear Ramapriya,

> > >

> > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

> > >

> > > Best of wishes to you both!

> > > Mary

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> _

> > ______________

> > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at

> www.Answers..

> > Try it now.

> > >

> >

>

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None that are correct all the time or even most of the times!

 

Sorry!

 

, "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> Yes I am still alive! If there is a tie with the method of three

> pairs, what are the other techniques that can be accurately used

for

> determining longetivity. That is precisely what I wanted.

>

> Thanks,

> Kishore

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I am assuming that this individual born in 1971 and now > 32

years

> > (nominal limit for laghu ayu) is still alive? Mind you, in terms

> of

> > ayu determination, it is not wise to use just one technique!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "kishore_kv"

> > <kishore_kv@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > You are right that one of the indicators (moon - the lord of

> lagna

> > > as well as indicator in the pair moon-saturn for three pairs

> > method)

> > > got shifted from Aq to Pi when Raman's Ayanamsa was used as

> opposed

> > > to Lahiri ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Kishore

> > >

> > > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > One of the indicators must have been near a rashi sandhi and

> got

> > > > shifted by the ayanamsha change perhaps.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mention all the methods you have used alongwith the

> analysis ,

> > > how

> > > > did

> > > > > you reach result of short life with one ayanamsha and long

> with

> > > > > another ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And put this analysis in detail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "kishore_kv"

> > > <kishore_kv@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a student of astrology. I am following the three

> pairs

> > > > method to

> > > > > > determine longetivity. I am getting short life if I use

> > Lahiri

> > > > > > ayanamsa, while I get long life if I use Raman ayanamsa.

> Why

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > choice of Ayanamsa giving longetivity so different?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birth details are:

> > > > > > 00:30 am on 31/10/1971 at Guntur, Andhra pradesh India.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awaiting your reply,

> > > > > > Kishore

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Please find below answers to your questions.

 

Thanks,

Kishore

 

> a) New job ,strained relations with

> spouse (If married),health taken a beating

> severely,any sort of save from some accident,

> any hospital visits for ownself,

> any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone,

> or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere

> since this date and continuing till today .

> Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain

> times.

I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health was

inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression and

suicidal tendencies were there during this time.

 

>

> b)Any sort of properties received from father

> or good ancestral property is there for you to

> look upon. Any type of interest developed

> since last 2 years for any type of serious study.

> Long religious journey undertaken.

> Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in

> last two years or great promises witnessed

> for a good future.

No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an

interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious study

of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. Getting a

good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future.

 

>

> , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its tools.

> > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am

> > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis

dispassionately.

> > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding an

> > answer to this problem.

> >

> > Here are the atrological analysis details:

> >

> > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section

14.4

> > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated

> > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

> >

> > Here is the analysis:

> >

> > With Raman Ayanamsa:

> > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

> > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long

> > life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

> >

> > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in

taurus, a

> > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

> >

> > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is

in

> > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

> >

> > From the above three, a long life is indicated.

> >

> > With Lahiri ayanamsa:

> > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

> > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So

short

> > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

> >

> > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in

taurus, a

> > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

> >

> > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna is

in

> > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

> >

> > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two

pairs

> > indicate short life.

> >

> > Kindly comment on this.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kishore

> >

> > , "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mary,

> > >

> > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

> > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

> > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

> > > and now I dont care.............

> > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

> > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

> > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

> > >

> > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

> > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

> > > till his astrological reply comes forth.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> > > > imminent.

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared

> > > > fate).

> > > >

> > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing

> > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> > > > different systems gave me different results.

> > > >

> > > > So there can be lots of reasons.

> > > >

> > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check

> > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramapriya,

> > > >

> > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

> > > >

> > > > Best of wishes to you both!

> > > > Mary

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > _

> > > ______________

> > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at

> > www.Answers..

> > > Try it now.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear kishoreji,

 

So that confirms where your Moon should be.

It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces.

Because acquarius is in 8th house

and Pisces is in 9th.

the results of 8th house are much

co-relating to your present existtence

and not the results of 9th house.

so I need not explain much to you.

Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra

and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which

is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house

in effects as confirmed by You.

 

Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not

match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha

matches perfectly.

 

If You are convinced about above, then we move

to finding out about longevity.

 

Please confirm.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> Please find below answers to your questions.

>

> Thanks,

> Kishore

>

> > a) New job ,strained relations with

> > spouse (If married),health taken a beating

> > severely,any sort of save from some accident,

> > any hospital visits for ownself,

> > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone,

> > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere

> > since this date and continuing till today .

> > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain

> > times.

> I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health was

> inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression and

> suicidal tendencies were there during this time.

>

> >

> > b)Any sort of properties received from father

> > or good ancestral property is there for you to

> > look upon. Any type of interest developed

> > since last 2 years for any type of serious study.

> > Long religious journey undertaken.

> > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in

> > last two years or great promises witnessed

> > for a good future.

> No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an

> interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious study

> of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken. Getting a

> good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future.

>

> >

> > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > >

> > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its

tools.

> > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I am

> > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis

> dispassionately.

> > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of finding

an

> > > answer to this problem.

> > >

> > > Here are the atrological analysis details:

> > >

> > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in section

> 14.4

> > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated

> > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

> > >

> > > Here is the analysis:

> > >

> > > With Raman Ayanamsa:

> > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

> > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So long

> > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

> > >

> > > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in

> taurus, a

> > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

> > >

> > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna

is

> in

> > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

> > >

> > > From the above three, a long life is indicated.

> > >

> > > With Lahiri ayanamsa:

> > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon is in

> > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So

> short

> > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

> > >

> > > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in

> taurus, a

> > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

> > >

> > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora lagna

is

> in

> > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long life.

> > >

> > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two

> pairs

> > > indicate short life.

> > >

> > > Kindly comment on this.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Kishore

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mary,

> > > >

> > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

> > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

> > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

> > > > and now I dont care.............

> > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

> > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

> > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

> > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

> > > > till his astrological reply comes forth.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> > > > > imminent.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared

> > > > > fate).

> > > > >

> > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing

> > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> > > > > different systems gave me different results.

> > > > >

> > > > > So there can be lots of reasons.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check

> > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramapriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

> > > > >

> > > > > Best of wishes to you both!

> > > > > Mary

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > _

> > > > ______________

> > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at

> > > www.Answers..

> > > > Try it now.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about

pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should

compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the suitable

result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you

said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the

longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa and

compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa trap

and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more

accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both

ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze the

divisional charts?

 

Thanks,

Kishore

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear kishoreji,

>

> So that confirms where your Moon should be.

> It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces.

> Because acquarius is in 8th house

> and Pisces is in 9th.

> the results of 8th house are much

> co-relating to your present existtence

> and not the results of 9th house.

> so I need not explain much to you.

> Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra

> and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which

> is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house

> in effects as confirmed by You.

>

> Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not

> match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha

> matches perfectly.

>

> If You are convinced about above, then we move

> to finding out about longevity.

>

> Please confirm.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > Please find below answers to your questions.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kishore

> >

> > > a) New job ,strained relations with

> > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating

> > > severely,any sort of save from some accident,

> > > any hospital visits for ownself,

> > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone,

> > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere

> > > since this date and continuing till today .

> > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain

> > > times.

> > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health

was

> > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression

and

> > suicidal tendencies were there during this time.

> >

> > >

> > > b)Any sort of properties received from father

> > > or good ancestral property is there for you to

> > > look upon. Any type of interest developed

> > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study.

> > > Long religious journey undertaken.

> > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in

> > > last two years or great promises witnessed

> > > for a good future.

> > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an

> > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious

study

> > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken.

Getting a

> > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future.

> >

> > >

> > > , "kishore_kv"

<kishore_kv@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > > >

> > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its

> tools.

> > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said I

am

> > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis

> > dispassionately.

> > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of

finding

> an

> > > > answer to this problem.

> > > >

> > > > Here are the atrological analysis details:

> > > >

> > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in

section

> > 14.4

> > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated

> > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

> > > >

> > > > Here is the analysis:

> > > >

> > > > With Raman Ayanamsa:

> > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon

is in

> > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So

long

> > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in

> > taurus, a

> > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora

lagna

> is

> > in

> > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long

life.

> > > >

> > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated.

> > > >

> > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa:

> > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon

is in

> > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So

> > short

> > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in

> > taurus, a

> > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora

lagna

> is

> > in

> > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long

life.

> > > >

> > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since two

> > pairs

> > > > indicate short life.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly comment on this.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Kishore

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mary,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

> > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

> > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

> > > > > and now I dont care.............

> > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

> > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

> > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

> > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

> > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Mary Quinn

<mary1quinn@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> > > > > > imminent.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared

> > > > > > fate).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing

> > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> > > > > > different systems gave me different results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check

> > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

> > > > > > benefit more than this one person who is asking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best of wishes to you both!

> > > > > > Mary

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > _

> > > > > ______________

> > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at

> > > > www.Answers..

> > > > > Try it now.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Kishoreji,

 

You may calculate with any number of ayanasmhas you like

and study the results. But no use. because Lahiris is the

most widely used Ayanamsha all over, by Astrologers.

I personally use KP. I have checked results with all

3 ayanamshas and then wrote you my last mail.

 

If You use Ramas ayanamsha,then Moon falls in Pisces

which is the 9th house,in your chart and sign is Pisces.

Do you think when Rahu antar started you got results of

Moon in 9th house of Pisces, Did it bring any elevation of

status? Did it bring in any Bhagyodaya ? Did it give

you sudden gains of ancestral property ? Did it give you

a long voyage ? Did it give you a teerth yatra or

such journeys ? Did it give you some recognition

in some research work or higher studies ? None of above

happened with you. If 9th house was working,

which is negation of 10th (Being 12th to the 10th)

then how come did you get a job ? Also check the

ashtakvarga of Pisces .Its 32.Did you get results of

32 points ? No . You got results of 25 points

which is the SAV of acquarius.

 

When you use Kp or Lahiris ayanamsha,you would get

Moon in Acquarius, the results of which match with

the actual hapennings in your life, which i knew

but wanted you to say.

 

Thus I surmised that the Lahiris or Kps ayanamsha

would work with you.

 

In all 3 cases of Ayanasmha the constellation falls

in Moons Lordships, but the results accrue of 8th

house and not 9th, thus we accept in your case

that proper ayanamsha for you is Lahiris.

 

If you wish to pleasure yourself that I would get

long life with Ramans ayamnasmha so I should use

that and it works with me, then the thinking is

wrong. Anyway the longevity is not a problem,

we will check it with Lahiris,you need not worry.

 

What is the sense of wasting time with many ayanamshas

and work studies, when the result is crystal clear

in case of ayanamsha, at least in your case.

You should be convinced by now,

if you are studying astrology. Actually this mail

of mines was not needed. You should have got the hint

from mylast mail itself.I also am not averse to

Ramans ayanamsha and use sometimes

to check certain cases, but in your case it would be

a futile attempt to continue working with it.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> Thank you very much for helping me. I am a bit concerned about

> pinpointing ayanamsa based on limited data. I think we should

> compare both Raman's and Lahiri's ayanamsas and take the suitable

> result. However your analysis below seems reasonable. When you

> said "dasha" are you talking about Vimsottari? Can we do the

> longetivity calculations based on both Raman and Lahiri ayanamsa

and

> compare the results. I do not want to fall into the ayanamsa trap

> and upfront say Raman's is more accurate or Lahiri's is more

> accurate. Is it possible that in my case we should take both

> ayanamsas into consideration. Also will it be helpful to analyze

the

> divisional charts?

>

> Thanks,

> Kishore

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear kishoreji,

> >

> > So that confirms where your Moon should be.

> > It has to be in Acquarius and not Pisces.

> > Because acquarius is in 8th house

> > and Pisces is in 9th.

> > the results of 8th house are much

> > co-relating to your present existtence

> > and not the results of 9th house.

> > so I need not explain much to you.

> > Your Current dasha Rahu is in moons Nakshatra

> > and Rahu is in Saturns Raashi again which

> > is in Moons nakshatra, which denotes 8th house

> > in effects as confirmed by You.

> >

> > Therefore in your case ramans ayanamsha does not

> > match and Lahiris and Krishnamurthys ayanamsha

> > matches perfectly.

> >

> > If You are convinced about above, then we move

> > to finding out about longevity.

> >

> > Please confirm.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > >

> > > Please find below answers to your questions.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Kishore

> > >

> > > > a) New job ,strained relations with

> > > > spouse (If married),health taken a beating

> > > > severely,any sort of save from some accident,

> > > > any hospital visits for ownself,

> > > > any type of back stabbing done to you by anyone,

> > > > or all sorts of obstructions in every sphere

> > > > since this date and continuing till today .

> > > > Depresssions and suicidal tendencies at certain

> > > > times.

> > > I had a new job. My relations with wife were/are good. Health

> was

> > > inclement during this time. Had to visit hospitals. Depression

> and

> > > suicidal tendencies were there during this time.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > b)Any sort of properties received from father

> > > > or good ancestral property is there for you to

> > > > look upon. Any type of interest developed

> > > > since last 2 years for any type of serious study.

> > > > Long religious journey undertaken.

> > > > Any sort of great fortunes (Bhagyodaya) seen in

> > > > last two years or great promises witnessed

> > > > for a good future.

> > > No ancestral properties were received. Astrology has been an

> > > interest since two-three months. I have undertaken a serious

> study

> > > of astrology. No long religious journeys were undertaken.

> Getting a

> > > good job in india in 2006 is a great promise for the future.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > , "kishore_kv"

> <kishore_kv@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > My main interest is to know about Vedic astrology and its

> > tools.

> > > > > First point of interest was longetivity. As Ramapriya said

I

> am

> > > > > alive and kicking, so I am just doing the analysis

> > > dispassionately.

> > > > > I posted in multiple groups to get a better chance of

> finding

> > an

> > > > > answer to this problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are the atrological analysis details:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am following "The method of three pairs" as given in

> section

> > > 14.4

> > > > > (pages 158-159) in the book "Vedic astrology - An integrated

> > > > > approach" by P.V.R.Narasimha Rao (2004 reprint).

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is the analysis:

> > > > >

> > > > > With Raman Ayanamsa:

> > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon

> is in

> > > > > pisces,a common sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign. So

> long

> > > > > life is indicated for common+fixed combination.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > > > > In my case moon is in pisces, a common sign. Saturn is in

> > > taurus, a

> > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates long life.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora

> lagna

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long

> life.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the above three, a long life is indicated.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Lahiri ayanamsa:

> > > > > 1. Lagna lord and 8th lord

> > > > > In my case Lagna lord is moon and 8th lord is saturn. Moon

> is in

> > > > > aquarius,a fixed sign. Saturn is in taurus, a fixed sign.

So

> > > short

> > > > > life is indicated for fixed+fixed combination.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Moon and Saturn

> > > > > In my case moon is in aquarius, a fixed sign. Saturn is in

> > > taurus, a

> > > > > fixed sign. Hence this also indicates short life.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Lagna and Hora lagna

> > > > > In my case lagna is in Cancer, a moveable sign and Hora

> lagna

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > Aries, a moveable sign. The net result of this is a long

> life.

> > > > >

> > > > > The net effect of the above three is a short life, since

two

> > > pairs

> > > > > indicate short life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly comment on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Kishore

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mary,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes you are right by every word of your mail.

> > > > > > My first books on astrology were basic, and next were

> > > > > > on longevity because I too was afraid about my longevity.

> > > > > > and now I dont care.............

> > > > > > But I would prefer this gentleman telling me the

> > > > > > reasons exactly why he is facing difference between

> > > > > > both rather than other astrologers telling him so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you for being straightforward in your views.

> > > > > > I shall reserve my comments on his longevity,

> > > > > > till his astrological reply comes forth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Mary Quinn

> <mary1quinn@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Frequently (though not always) when people who are 30

> > > > > > > are worried about longevity, it has to do with history

> > > > > > > of family diseases. Perhaps many men in the family

> > > > > > > have died by age 40 due to heart disease, or many

> > > > > > > women in the family have died early due to ovarian

> > > > > > > cancer. Perhaps they have narrowly escaped death by

> > > > > > > car accident many times and believe a non-escape is

> > > > > > > imminent.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, the person was unwise/unlucky enough to

> > > > > > > have met up with an unscrupulous fortune teller who

> > > > > > > predicted an early death (I've heard about their

> > > > > > > predicting every kind of horror and the frightened

> > > > > > > subject lives their life believing in the feared

> > > > > > > fate).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR it is possible (or not) that this person is

> > > > > > > interested in learning astrology and is testing

> > > > > > > different types of "rules". He (or she, I'm not good

> > > > > > > with gender in names) may be testing longevity rules

> > > > > > > against everyone they know to see if the rules stand

> > > > > > > up. When I first started learning astrology I did this

> > > > > > > myself. If I heard of a rule, I looked in up in

> > > > > > > everyone's chart and I too would have wondered why two

> > > > > > > different systems gave me different results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So there can be lots of reasons.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there an answer to his question? What DOES one do

> > > > > > > when two different systems give conflicting answers?

> > > > > > > What other tests of longevity could this person check

> > > > > > > in order to break the tie? Your knowledge would

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