Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Hello and best wishes to all. My question concerns the effects of Ketu in the sixth house. The sixth house is a place of conflict, enemies, litigation and injury. Ketu's general influence brings loss, restriction and detachment. My questions are: Does Ketu here restrict or ward off injury? Does it act to limit the effcts of enemies,disease and debt? Or, conversely, does a malefic influence in a malefic house simply magnify the difficulties found in the sixth? Thank you. Sincerely, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Dear Mr.Thomas, I have read in some authentic authors book that the best place for Ketu is the 6th house among the 12 houses.That is to advantage of ketu here. Ketu in the 6th may also give wrong medicines administered to the native. That is to the disadvantage of Ketu here. I have personally Ketu in the 6th in my chart.Makes my wife religious and my maternal Uncles very religious too. Ketu would give results of planets conjoined with it or planets aspecting it. If none of both are applying, then the effects of the Rashi Lord where it is situated. But in all cases Ketu would reduce the rashness attributed to the maleficness of the house.Even your enemies would be religious minded at times, even if they dont pay you the money due to you and fight,yet,they would not finish you like the modern day killers. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "talljun2" <talljun2 wrote: > > Hello and best wishes to all. > > My question concerns the effects of Ketu in the sixth house. The sixth > house is a place of conflict, enemies, litigation and injury. Ketu's > general influence brings loss, restriction and detachment. > > My questions are: > > Does Ketu here restrict or ward off injury? Does it act to limit the > effcts of enemies,disease and debt? Or, conversely, does a malefic > influence in a malefic house simply magnify the difficulties found in > the sixth? > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > Thomas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear Thomas, It's necessary to consider what sign Ketu occupies, position and strength of his dispositor and so forth. BPHS CH.47 "34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh (Taurus). The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is Vrischik (Scorpio). The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun (Gemini) and Dhanu (Sagittarius). The own Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh (Aquarius) and Vrischik (Scorpio)." If Ketu and his dispositor have strength/dignity, the native will have excellent health and vitality. Will defeat his enemies and competitors. Will get along with co-workers and benefit from subordinates. If Ketu and/or his dispositor are weak or afflicted there may be hidden (difficult to diagnose) illnesses, difficulties with co-workers and obstacles on account of jealous people (enemies). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "talljun2" <talljun2 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:09 AM ketu's effects in 6th house Hello and best wishes to all. My question concerns the effects of Ketu in the sixth house. The sixth house is a place of conflict, enemies, litigation and injury. Ketu's general influence brings loss, restriction and detachment. My questions are: Does Ketu here restrict or ward off injury? Does it act to limit the effcts of enemies,disease and debt? Or, conversely, does a malefic influence in a malefic house simply magnify the difficulties found in the sixth? Thank you. Sincerely, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Hello, and thank you all for your learned responses. In this specific case, Ketu is in Aries, opposes Venus, Rahu, both in Libra posited in the 12th. Ketu's dispositor, Mars, is quite weak and tightly combust the Sun, within one degree. The native reports difficulty with co-workers, conflicts with superiors and many obstacles from jealous people. The birth chart features Scorpio rising, with Mars combust Sun in Virgo, posited in the 11th house. Many broken bones, below the knee and five different incidents of broken ankles, all occured while playing football. Thank you all again for your responses. sincerely, Thomas --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Thomas, > > It's necessary to consider what sign Ketu occupies, > position and strength of > his dispositor and so forth. > > BPHS CH.47 > "34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the > Dasha of Rahu I shall first > mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of > Rahu and Ketu. The > exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh (Taurus). The > exaltation Rashi of Ketu > is Vrischik (Scorpio). The Multrikonas of Rahu and > Ketu are Mithun (Gemini) > and Dhanu (Sagittarius). The own Rashis of Rahu and > Ketu are Kumbh > (Aquarius) and Vrischik (Scorpio)." > > If Ketu and his dispositor have strength/dignity, > the native will have > excellent health and vitality. Will defeat his > enemies and competitors. Will > get along with co-workers and benefit from > subordinates. If Ketu and/or his > dispositor are weak or afflicted there may be hidden > (difficult to diagnose) > illnesses, difficulties with co-workers and > obstacles on account of jealous > people (enemies). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > > - > "talljun2" <talljun2 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:09 AM > ketu's effects in 6th house > > > Hello and best wishes to all. > > My question concerns the effects of Ketu in the > sixth house. The sixth > house is a place of conflict, enemies, litigation > and injury. Ketu's > general influence brings loss, restriction and > detachment. > > My questions are: > > Does Ketu here restrict or ward off injury? Does it > act to limit the > effcts of enemies,disease and debt? Or, conversely, > does a malefic > influence in a malefic house simply magnify the > difficulties found in > the sixth? > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > Thomas > > > > It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Dear Thomas, Declaring results for any planet without seeing the horoscope has as much chance of being accurate as throwing dice. I wouldn't like to say too much more without seeing the chart itself but just a quick comment regarding accidents. Combust lagna lord Mars, karaka for 6th and significator of accidents, disposits Ketu and aspects 6th house itself...hence the propensity for accidents. As for conflicts with superiors; this is related more to lagna lord being combust 10th lord Sun. Both Sun and 10th signify authority (i.e. employer etc) whereas 6th house relates more to employees, subordinates, co-workers etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "thomas allen" <talljun2 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, February 12, 2007 12:38 AM Re: ketu's effects in 6th house Hello, and thank you all for your learned responses. In this specific case, Ketu is in Aries, opposes Venus, Rahu, both in Libra posited in the 12th. Ketu's dispositor, Mars, is quite weak and tightly combust the Sun, within one degree. The native reports difficulty with co-workers, conflicts with superiors and many obstacles from jealous people. The birth chart features Scorpio rising, with Mars combust Sun in Virgo, posited in the 11th house. Many broken bones, below the knee and five different incidents of broken ankles, all occured while playing football. Thank you all again for your responses. sincerely, Thomas --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Thomas, > > It's necessary to consider what sign Ketu occupies, > position and strength of > his dispositor and so forth. > > BPHS CH.47 > "34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the > Dasha of Rahu I shall first > mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of > Rahu and Ketu. The > exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh (Taurus). The > exaltation Rashi of Ketu > is Vrischik (Scorpio). The Multrikonas of Rahu and > Ketu are Mithun (Gemini) > and Dhanu (Sagittarius). The own Rashis of Rahu and > Ketu are Kumbh > (Aquarius) and Vrischik (Scorpio)." > > If Ketu and his dispositor have strength/dignity, > the native will have > excellent health and vitality. Will defeat his > enemies and competitors. Will > get along with co-workers and benefit from > subordinates. If Ketu and/or his > dispositor are weak or afflicted there may be hidden > (difficult to diagnose) > illnesses, difficulties with co-workers and > obstacles on account of jealous > people (enemies). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Sunil, Read the question put by Thomas and it was so specific. He asked could a malefic in 6th houses enhance the malefic tendencies? Yes. Unequivocally my answer is yes. If you read my response to you once again, perhaps, you may understand what I would like to say. A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes. Ketu is a malefic. 6th house is a malefic house representing disease and enemies etc. Of course a malefic in 6th is good - books say so. What does it really mean? A malefic planet gives stamina to fight back. In this way it is good. A malefic gives endurance. In this way it is good. You are sick. You are diseased. You can endure the sufferings due to the disease. You are capable of withstand the pain from the injury; that an accident causes to you; again injury is the signification of the sixth house. What does it mean? You will first have disease; you have to suffer; and you will eventually withstand the pain. That is what a malefic in 6th denotes. The quality of a malefic is endurance that is not so the case with a benefic in 6th. What does it mean? You will have disputes or enemies. You will fight with them. You will win over them. See from this angle. Fourth lord, a malefic in 6th sixth. What is the general interpretation you can give? It means the possibility of a dispute over a property with your cousin or with your relatives. Fine, that is a malefic that gives that tendency to you to go to court; engage a lawyer; and fight it out. But an outright benefic like Jupiter placed there, the planet of wisdom will tell you to compromise with your cousin – sixth represents your cousin, relatives, your subordinates and your colleagues. This is the situation between a malefic and a benefic being in 6th. Now fighting a case or coming to a mutual understanding and compromise is again governed by your over all nature. What is your innate nature? That matters. The predominance of Sattwa quality in a chart would make a person to compromise; it is altogether a different issue. When a sixth house is free from the placement of a planet either a benefic or a malefic then you can say no disease – it means – you have a good health. You have no enemies – it means – you have cordial relations with your subordinates, with your relatives so and so forth. In other words, a house, which is not having any influence either by a benefic or a malefic means, the tendencies manifest in a normal way. That is why it is stressed in all auspicious elections of Muhurtha charts, no planet in 6, 8 or 12. A malefic is essential in 6th particularly when you are fighting… say… filing a nomination for an election…filing your divorce papers in court. The dasha of your 6th lord or the planet in 6th house - that too a malefic is preferable - for winning a case in a court of law. Hope this may help you to some extent. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Ravindramani, I've been through the posts (very carefully) and cannot find the post from Sunil that you're responding to?? I'm not even sure if Sunil is a member here...was this from another group perhaps? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "ravindramani" <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:54 PM Re: ketu's effects in 6th house Dear Sunil, Read the question put by Thomas and it was so specific. He asked could a malefic in 6th houses enhance the malefic tendencies? Yes. Unequivocally my answer is yes. If you read my response to you once again, perhaps, you may understand what I would like to say. A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes. Ketu is a malefic. 6th house is a malefic house representing disease and enemies etc. Of course a malefic in 6th is good - books say so. What does it really mean? A malefic planet gives stamina to fight back. In this way it is good. A malefic gives endurance. In this way it is good. You are sick. You are diseased. You can endure the sufferings due to the disease. You are capable of withstand the pain from the injury; that an accident causes to you; again injury is the signification of the sixth house. What does it mean? You will first have disease; you have to suffer; and you will eventually withstand the pain. That is what a malefic in 6th denotes. The quality of a malefic is endurance that is not so the case with a benefic in 6th. What does it mean? You will have disputes or enemies. You will fight with them. You will win over them. See from this angle. Fourth lord, a malefic in 6th sixth. What is the general interpretation you can give? It means the possibility of a dispute over a property with your cousin or with your relatives. Fine, that is a malefic that gives that tendency to you to go to court; engage a lawyer; and fight it out. But an outright benefic like Jupiter placed there, the planet of wisdom will tell you to compromise with your cousin - sixth represents your cousin, relatives, your subordinates and your colleagues. This is the situation between a malefic and a benefic being in 6th. Now fighting a case or coming to a mutual understanding and compromise is again governed by your over all nature. What is your innate nature? That matters. The predominance of Sattwa quality in a chart would make a person to compromise; it is altogether a different issue. When a sixth house is free from the placement of a planet either a benefic or a malefic then you can say no disease - it means - you have a good health. You have no enemies - it means - you have cordial relations with your subordinates, with your relatives so and so forth. In other words, a house, which is not having any influence either by a benefic or a malefic means, the tendencies manifest in a normal way. That is why it is stressed in all auspicious elections of Muhurtha charts, no planet in 6, 8 or 12. A malefic is essential in 6th particularly when you are fighting. say. filing a nomination for an election.filing your divorce papers in court. The dasha of your 6th lord or the planet in 6th house - that too a malefic is preferable - for winning a case in a court of law. Hope this may help you to some extent. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sunil is one of my friends, (who is a silent member of this List and a beginner. His pet name is Sunil.) raised a question regarding this thread to my personal mail box. When I was replying, I had to send my response to his personal mail box. I responded it in the List inadvertantly. Sorry for the confusion and the inconvenience caused to you. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ================================================================= Dear Ravindramani, I've been through the posts (very carefully) and cannot find the post from Sunil that you're responding to?? I'm not even sure if Sunil is a member here...was this from another group perhaps? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Ravindramani. It might benefit Sunil (and other silent members) to take a look at a couple of notable horoscopes with Ketu in 6th. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 12 Jan 1917 (08.50) Jabalpur, India Jawahar Lal Nehru 14 Nov 1889 (23.03) Allahabad, India Parashara (BPHS Ch.47: 72-77) indicates favourable results (generally) for Ketu in the trishadya houses (3, 6, 11). Of course all factors have to be considered as no two horoscopes have exactly the same influences on any bhava. PS: The general consensus seems to be that Ketu fares well in sign of Mercury...interestingly both the above charts have Ketu in Gemini in 6th. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "ravindramani" <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:33 PM Re: ketu's effects in 6th house Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sunil is one of my friends, (who is a silent member of this List and a beginner. His pet name is Sunil.) raised a question regarding this thread to my personal mail box. When I was replying, I had to send my response to his personal mail box. I responded it in the List inadvertantly. Sorry for the confusion and the inconvenience caused to you. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ================================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Ravindramani, Hoping you won't mind if I add my comments to the following :-) //A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes.// In regards to ill-health (particularly) I think it's important to consider 'who' is caught in the grip of this house. For example, lagna lord in 6th indicates that the native himself may be troubled by enemies, health problems etc (throughout life). 4th lord in 6th can indicate same for mother and/or close relatives...and so forth. I agree that a malefic, with strength, can (generally) give the fortitude necessary to withstand the effects of this house, and, if 6th lord is favourably placed the native may even benefit (ultimately) through enemies. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "ravindramani" <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:54 PM Re: ketu's effects in 6th house Dear Sunil, Read the question put by Thomas and it was so specific. He asked could a malefic in 6th houses enhance the malefic tendencies? Yes. Unequivocally my answer is yes. If you read my response to you once again, perhaps, you may understand what I would like to say. A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes. Ketu is a malefic. 6th house is a malefic house representing disease and enemies etc. Of course a malefic in 6th is good - books say so. What does it really mean? A malefic planet gives stamina to fight back. In this way it is good. A malefic gives endurance. In this way it is good. You are sick. You are diseased. You can endure the sufferings due to the disease. You are capable of withstand the pain from the injury; that an accident causes to you; again injury is the signification of the sixth house. What does it mean? You will first have disease; you have to suffer; and you will eventually withstand the pain. That is what a malefic in 6th denotes. The quality of a malefic is endurance that is not so the case with a benefic in 6th. What does it mean? You will have disputes or enemies. You will fight with them. You will win over them. See from this angle. Fourth lord, a malefic in 6th sixth. What is the general interpretation you can give? It means the possibility of a dispute over a property with your cousin or with your relatives. Fine, that is a malefic that gives that tendency to you to go to court; engage a lawyer; and fight it out. But an outright benefic like Jupiter placed there, the planet of wisdom will tell you to compromise with your cousin - sixth represents your cousin, relatives, your subordinates and your colleagues. This is the situation between a malefic and a benefic being in 6th. Now fighting a case or coming to a mutual understanding and compromise is again governed by your over all nature. What is your innate nature? That matters. The predominance of Sattwa quality in a chart would make a person to compromise; it is altogether a different issue. When a sixth house is free from the placement of a planet either a benefic or a malefic then you can say no disease - it means - you have a good health. You have no enemies - it means - you have cordial relations with your subordinates, with your relatives so and so forth. In other words, a house, which is not having any influence either by a benefic or a malefic means, the tendencies manifest in a normal way. That is why it is stressed in all auspicious elections of Muhurtha charts, no planet in 6, 8 or 12. A malefic is essential in 6th particularly when you are fighting. say. filing a nomination for an election.filing your divorce papers in court. The dasha of your 6th lord or the planet in 6th house - that too a malefic is preferable - for winning a case in a court of law. Hope this may help you to some extent. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramaniji, Wat would be the effect if a malefic Saturn sits in 6th but in own house,say Capricorn ? Strong maternal Uncles, Strong capacity to get sanctions for loans, good payments from Sundry debtors,enemies who would turn helpful. But what about diseases ? and what about longevity as natural karaka ? Also what if this Saturn is retrograde for all above effects which I have mentioned and not mentioned. Soo I need comments from two angles, a) For above with Saturn in Capricorn. b) with same Saturn in Capricorn but retrograde. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani, > > Hoping you won't mind if I add my comments to the following :-) > > //A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It > denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes.// > > In regards to ill-health (particularly) I think it's important to consider > 'who' is caught in the grip of this house. For example, lagna lord in 6th > indicates that the native himself may be troubled by enemies, health > problems etc (throughout life). 4th lord in 6th can indicate same for mother > and/or close relatives...and so forth. > > I agree that a malefic, with strength, can (generally) give the fortitude > necessary to withstand the effects of this house, and, if 6th lord is > favourably placed the native may even benefit (ultimately) through enemies. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "ravindramani" <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:54 PM > Re: ketu's effects in 6th house > > > Dear Sunil, > > Read the question put by Thomas and it was so specific. He asked > could a malefic in 6th houses enhance the malefic tendencies? > Yes. Unequivocally my answer is yes. If you read my response to you > once again, perhaps, you may understand what I would like to say. > > A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It > denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes. > > Ketu is a malefic. 6th house is a malefic house representing > disease and enemies etc. Of course a malefic in 6th is good - books > say so. What does it really mean? A malefic planet gives stamina to > fight back. In this way it is good. A malefic gives endurance. In > this way it is good. You are sick. You are diseased. You can > endure the sufferings due to the disease. You are capable of > withstand the pain from the injury; that an accident causes to you; > again injury is the signification of the sixth house. > > What does it mean? You will first have disease; you have to suffer; > and you will eventually withstand the pain. That is what a malefic > in 6th denotes. The quality of a malefic is endurance that is not so > the case with a benefic in 6th. > > What does it mean? You will have disputes or enemies. You will > fight with them. You will win over them. > > See from this angle. Fourth lord, a malefic in 6th sixth. What is > the general interpretation you can give? It means the possibility > of a dispute over a property with your cousin or with your > relatives. Fine, that is a malefic that gives that tendency to you > to go to court; engage a lawyer; and fight it out. But an outright > benefic like Jupiter placed there, the planet of wisdom will tell > you to compromise with your cousin - sixth represents your cousin, > relatives, your subordinates and your colleagues. This is the > situation between a malefic and a benefic being in 6th. > > Now fighting a case or coming to a mutual understanding and > compromise is again governed by your over all nature. What is your > innate nature? That matters. The predominance of Sattwa quality in > a chart would make a person to compromise; it is altogether a > different issue. > > When a sixth house is free from the placement of a planet either a > benefic or a malefic then you can say no disease - it means - you > have a good health. You have no enemies - it means - you have > cordial relations with your subordinates, with your relatives so and > so forth. In other words, a house, which is not having any > influence either by a benefic or a malefic means, the tendencies > manifest in a normal way. That is why it is stressed in all > auspicious elections of Muhurtha charts, no planet in 6, 8 or 12. > > A malefic is essential in 6th particularly when you are fighting. > say. filing a nomination for an election.filing your divorce papers > in court. The dasha of your 6th lord or the planet in 6th house - > that too a malefic is preferable - for winning a case in a court of > law. > > Hope this may help you to some extent. > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dear Ravindramaniji, I shall make the problem more interesting for you. what if in the cases previously mentioned, Jupiter Retrograde ,is sitting with Saturn retrograde. Now here Saturn is in own house but retro, and Jupiter is debilitated but retro. So kindly give a good analysis as you have given to Mr. Sunil. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramaniji, > > Wat would be the effect if a malefic Saturn sits > in 6th but in own house,say Capricorn ? > Strong maternal Uncles, Strong capacity to > get sanctions for loans, good payments from > Sundry debtors,enemies who would turn helpful. > > But what about diseases ? > and what about longevity as natural karaka ? > > Also what if this Saturn is retrograde for all > above effects which I have mentioned and not mentioned. > > Soo I need comments from two angles, > a) For above with Saturn in Capricorn. > b) with same Saturn in Capricorn but retrograde. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > Hoping you won't mind if I add my comments to the following :-) > > > > //A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It > > denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having > disputes.// > > > > In regards to ill-health (particularly) I think it's important to > consider > > 'who' is caught in the grip of this house. For example, lagna lord > in 6th > > indicates that the native himself may be troubled by enemies, > health > > problems etc (throughout life). 4th lord in 6th can indicate same > for mother > > and/or close relatives...and so forth. > > > > I agree that a malefic, with strength, can (generally) give the > fortitude > > necessary to withstand the effects of this house, and, if 6th lord > is > > favourably placed the native may even benefit (ultimately) through > enemies. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > "ravindramani" <ravindramani@> > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:54 PM > > Re: ketu's effects in 6th house > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Read the question put by Thomas and it was so specific. He asked > > could a malefic in 6th houses enhance the malefic tendencies? > > Yes. Unequivocally my answer is yes. If you read my response to you > > once again, perhaps, you may understand what I would like to say. > > > > A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It > > denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes. > > > > Ketu is a malefic. 6th house is a malefic house representing > > disease and enemies etc. Of course a malefic in 6th is good - books > > say so. What does it really mean? A malefic planet gives stamina to > > fight back. In this way it is good. A malefic gives endurance. In > > this way it is good. You are sick. You are diseased. You can > > endure the sufferings due to the disease. You are capable of > > withstand the pain from the injury; that an accident causes to you; > > again injury is the signification of the sixth house. > > > > What does it mean? You will first have disease; you have to suffer; > > and you will eventually withstand the pain. That is what a malefic > > in 6th denotes. The quality of a malefic is endurance that is not so > > the case with a benefic in 6th. > > > > What does it mean? You will have disputes or enemies. You will > > fight with them. You will win over them. > > > > See from this angle. Fourth lord, a malefic in 6th sixth. What is > > the general interpretation you can give? It means the possibility > > of a dispute over a property with your cousin or with your > > relatives. Fine, that is a malefic that gives that tendency to you > > to go to court; engage a lawyer; and fight it out. But an outright > > benefic like Jupiter placed there, the planet of wisdom will tell > > you to compromise with your cousin - sixth represents your cousin, > > relatives, your subordinates and your colleagues. This is the > > situation between a malefic and a benefic being in 6th. > > > > Now fighting a case or coming to a mutual understanding and > > compromise is again governed by your over all nature. What is your > > innate nature? That matters. The predominance of Sattwa quality in > > a chart would make a person to compromise; it is altogether a > > different issue. > > > > When a sixth house is free from the placement of a planet either a > > benefic or a malefic then you can say no disease - it means - you > > have a good health. You have no enemies - it means - you have > > cordial relations with your subordinates, with your relatives so and > > so forth. In other words, a house, which is not having any > > influence either by a benefic or a malefic means, the tendencies > > manifest in a normal way. That is why it is stressed in all > > auspicious elections of Muhurtha charts, no planet in 6, 8 or 12. > > > > A malefic is essential in 6th particularly when you are fighting. > > say. filing a nomination for an election.filing your divorce papers > > in court. The dasha of your 6th lord or the planet in 6th house - > > that too a malefic is preferable - for winning a case in a court of > > law. > > > > Hope this may help you to some extent. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hello and best wishes to all. Regarding the question of Ketu's influence in the sixth house, the native to whom this specific set of chart factors belonged has a long history of involvement in competitive athletics; football, basketball, wrestilng and weightlifting. He was a team captain more than once, won numerous individual honors for athletic skill and ability to defeat competitors. He was also a soldier,salesman, very successful in defeating the competition, but again, there were many competitors to overcome. Yes, there were successes, but also many opponents, trouble from jealous co-workers and superiors. Even so, this person has a long history of being able to keep opponents at bay and avoiding seemingly inevitable defeat. He does seem to have a knack for turning disadvantage into advantage. There were also many injuries, some resulting in surgery, but all involving sports/career related activities. He has had the good fortune of being able to have excellent surgical and medical care, enabling him to overcome difficulties which were potientially crippling. The most recent transit of Ketu thru Virgo saw a long passage of Ketu over his natal Sun/Mars conjunction in Virgo, and at that time, he suffered a broken leg, had knee surgery but was still able to recieve money and other benefits from the state which helped to off-set losses.( Scorpio rising, Sun/Mars in Virgo and the 11th house, Ketu in Aries in the 6th). The birth data for this person is as follows: Sept 17, 1957 11:07 AM EST Wilson, NC USA Based on what I've seen, I would say Ketu in the sixth, in this specific case, does bring enemies, injuries and many difficult situations, but it also gives endurance and ability to help overcome same. Thank you for your helpful comments. Best wishes, Thomas --- ravindramani <ravindramani > wrote: > Dear Sunil, > > Read the question put by Thomas and it was so > specific. He asked > could a malefic in 6th houses enhance the malefic > tendencies? > Yes. Unequivocally my answer is yes. If you read my > response to you > once again, perhaps, you may understand what I would > like to say. > > A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or > disease. It > denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of > having disputes. > > Ketu is a malefic. 6th house is a malefic house > representing > disease and enemies etc. Of course a malefic in 6th > is good - books > say so. What does it really mean? A malefic planet > gives stamina to > fight back. In this way it is good. A malefic > gives endurance. In > this way it is good. You are sick. You are > diseased. You can > endure the sufferings due to the disease. You are > capable of > withstand the pain from the injury; that an accident > causes to you; > again injury is the signification of the sixth > house. > > What does it mean? You will first have disease; you > have to suffer; > and you will eventually withstand the pain. That is > what a malefic > in 6th denotes. The quality of a malefic is > endurance that is not so > the case with a benefic in 6th. > > What does it mean? You will have disputes or > enemies. You will > fight with them. You will win over them. > > See from this angle. Fourth lord, a malefic in 6th > sixth. What is > the general interpretation you can give? It means > the possibility > of a dispute over a property with your cousin or > with your > relatives. Fine, that is a malefic that gives that > tendency to you > to go to court; engage a lawyer; and fight it out. > But an outright > benefic like Jupiter placed there, the planet of > wisdom will tell > you to compromise with your cousin – sixth > represents your cousin, > relatives, your subordinates and your colleagues. > This is the > situation between a malefic and a benefic being in > 6th. > > Now fighting a case or coming to a mutual > understanding and > compromise is again governed by your over all > nature. What is your > innate nature? That matters. The predominance of > Sattwa quality in > a chart would make a person to compromise; it is > altogether a > different issue. > > When a sixth house is free from the placement of a > planet either a > benefic or a malefic then you can say no disease – > it means – you > have a good health. You have no enemies – it means > – you have > cordial relations with your subordinates, with your > relatives so and > so forth. In other words, a house, which is not > having any > influence either by a benefic or a malefic means, > the tendencies > manifest in a normal way. That is why it is > stressed in all > auspicious elections of Muhurtha charts, no planet > in 6, 8 or 12. > > A malefic is essential in 6th particularly when you > are fighting… > say… filing a nomination for an election…filing your > divorce papers > in court. The dasha of your 6th lord or the planet > in 6th house - > that too a malefic is preferable - for winning a > case in a court of > law. > > Hope this may help you to some extent. > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/features_spam.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Thomas and All, It's important to consider the horoscope as a whole... For instance 3rd house of desires, showing one's initiative/motivation, courage, strength, valour, stamina etc., is also connected with sport. In this chart, 3rd lord Saturn, occupying lagna in sign of Scorpio, aspects 3rd, 7th, 10th houses. Note the influences on 8/11 lord Mercury in 10th... 8th house, holding 9th lord Moon, is connected with soldiers. This house governs enemies, conflicts, battles, battle forts, dangers, accidents and so forth. 8th lord in 10th is an indication that the native's status may be connected with soldiering. Consider also 12th lord in 12th conjunct Rahu...12th shows army barracks etc, etc. Consider Saturn's aspect (on 10th) in relation to the different phases of his career... And not forgetting the influence of Jupiter, who, in nakshatra of Moon, conjuncts lagnesh Mars and aspects 3rd house etc.. Look at this (also) in light of the below statement. 2nd house of finances is Jupiter's moolatrikona sign; He sits in nakshatra of 9th lord Moon who occupies 8th house of unearned income, benefits, legacies, pensions, gratuities etc.. //The most recent transit of Ketu thru Virgo saw a long passage of Ketu over his natal Sun/Mars conjunction in Virgo, and at that time, he suffered a broken leg, had knee surgery but was still able to recieve money and other benefits from the state which helped to off-set losses// One house alone cannot tell the full story. Millions of people with Ketu in 6th and all can have a completely different story. One important consideration (for this native) is Mars rulership of both 1st and 6th houses...this brings 6th house very much into focus...bear in mind that (according to Parashara) Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "thomas allen" <talljun2 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:38 AM Re: Re: ketu's effects in 6th house Hello and best wishes to all. Regarding the question of Ketu's influence in the sixth house, the native to whom this specific set of chart factors belonged has a long history of involvement in competitive athletics; football, basketball, wrestilng and weightlifting. He was a team captain more than once, won numerous individual honors for athletic skill and ability to defeat competitors. He was also a soldier,salesman, very successful in defeating the competition, but again, there were many competitors to overcome. Yes, there were successes, but also many opponents, trouble from jealous co-workers and superiors. Even so, this person has a long history of being able to keep opponents at bay and avoiding seemingly inevitable defeat. He does seem to have a knack for turning disadvantage into advantage. There were also many injuries, some resulting in surgery, but all involving sports/career related activities. He has had the good fortune of being able to have excellent surgical and medical care, enabling him to overcome difficulties which were potientially crippling. The most recent transit of Ketu thru Virgo saw a long passage of Ketu over his natal Sun/Mars conjunction in Virgo, and at that time, he suffered a broken leg, had knee surgery but was still able to recieve money and other benefits from the state which helped to off-set losses.( Scorpio rising, Sun/Mars in Virgo and the 11th house, Ketu in Aries in the 6th). The birth data for this person is as follows: Sept 17, 1957 11:07 AM EST Wilson, NC USA Based on what I've seen, I would say Ketu in the sixth, in this specific case, does bring enemies, injuries and many difficult situations, but it also gives endurance and ability to help overcome same. Thank you for your helpful comments. Best wishes, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Yes. The two charts are very good examples of Ketu in 6th and are well known personalities and the traits can be very well verifiable. You might recall we discussed these two charts at a great length in our old Jyotish Vidya List. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: Sunil is somewhat shy and is of the view that he is not yet quite confident to write openly on the list. I encouraged him a number of times ....saying everybody is learners here...in different stages of learning.......no "Gurus" and no "Experts" here.... let us wait from the silent members like Sunil how they feel about these two charts for a while. *****Dear Ravindramani It might benefit Sunil (and other silent members) to take a look at a couple of notable horoscopes with Ketu in 6th.***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are most welcome. I wrote those comments as Sunil wanted to know how to proceed to read the presence of Ketu in 6th house. I agree, one should be carefully consider the other forces operating in a chart before arriving at a final conclusion on any placement or on any issue. Thanks for your comments. I have taken note of. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ================================================================== Dear Ravindramani, Hoping you won't mind if I add my comments to the following :-) //A malefic planet in 6th house denotes bad health or disease. It denotes enemies. Basically you have the tendency of having disputes.// In regards to ill-health (particularly) I think it's important to consider 'who' is caught in the grip of this house. For example, lagna lord in 6th indicates that the native himself may be troubled by enemies, health problems etc (throughout life). 4th lord in 6th can indicate same for mother and/or close relatives...and so forth. I agree that a malefic, with strength, can (generally) give the fortitude necessary to withstand the effects of this house, and, if 6th lord is favourably placed the native may even benefit (ultimately) through enemies. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy and Mr. Thomas, >The birth data for this person is as follows: > > Sept 17, 1957 > 11:07 AM EST > Wilson, NC USA > May I request you to provide the coordinates to this place Wilson NC USA.... does it mean North Corolina or what? Please give me your ASC degree and Position of Moon for this chart... if you are before the computer... Regards, C.S. Ravindramani... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Group If Sixth lord Saturn (which is natural malefic)is in 8th house what does it indicate 2nd if this 8th house is Aries where Saturn is deblitated. Please explains thanks kamal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Mr. Ravindramani; Please accept my apologies for not providing the data you requested earlier; I am a newcommer to these group postings and I am sorry if I did not supply sufficient data for assessing the chart. The birth data is as follows: September 17, 1957 Wilson North Carolina, USA 35N 43 77W55 Time zone +5 Birth time: 11:04 ascendant 4.18 Scorpio Moon position: 7.27 Gemini Thank you again for your assistance and replies. Sincerely, Thomas --- ravindramani <ravindramani > wrote: > Dear Mrs. Wendy and Mr. Thomas, > > >The birth data for this person is as follows: > > > > Sept 17, 1957 > > 11:07 AM EST > > Wilson, NC USA > > > > May I request you to provide the coordinates to this > place Wilson NC > USA.... does it mean North Corolina or what? > > Please give me your ASC degree and Position of Moon > for this > chart... if you are before the computer... > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani... > > > > > > Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, I have a rather busy day today (away from the computer)...will try to take a look at yours and other queries when I get back. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:07 AM Re: ketu's effects in 6th house Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramaniji, Wat would be the effect if a malefic Saturn sits in 6th but in own house,say Capricorn ? Strong maternal Uncles, Strong capacity to get sanctions for loans, good payments from Sundry debtors,enemies who would turn helpful. But what about diseases ? and what about longevity as natural karaka ? Also what if this Saturn is retrograde for all above effects which I have mentioned and not mentioned. Soo I need comments from two angles, a) For above with Saturn in Capricorn. b) with same Saturn in Capricorn but retrograde. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Mrs.Wendy, Please ignore my query.Not much to it.because it came just on the spur of the moment while reading the posts of Yourself and Mr.Ravindramani.Please do not bother I repeat. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I have a rather busy day today (away from the computer)...will try to take a > look at yours and other queries when I get back. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:07 AM > Re: ketu's effects in 6th house > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramaniji, > > Wat would be the effect if a malefic Saturn sits > in 6th but in own house,say Capricorn ? > Strong maternal Uncles, Strong capacity to > get sanctions for loans, good payments from > Sundry debtors,enemies who would turn helpful. > > But what about diseases ? > and what about longevity as natural karaka ? > > Also what if this Saturn is retrograde for all > above effects which I have mentioned and not mentioned. > > Soo I need comments from two angles, > a) For above with Saturn in Capricorn. > b) with same Saturn in Capricorn but retrograde. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Dear Mr. Bhaskar, Saturn in Capricorn – 6th house – (Leo Lagna) that means he is in his own house. As per the general rule, when a lord placed in his own house that position enhances the traits of that house and he clearly represents both the positive and negative qualities of that house. Certainly this position gives the native/the individual, strength as well as a disease free life. It is a position for courage and vitality and valour too. Competitive bent of mind is another trait, which gets enhanced. One will be assured of success in competitions in the favourable dasha periods. As you rightly said in your mail, it gives fame to the maternal uncles. Further if the lagna lord is favourably placed from 6th lord, the native can expect good support from the maternal uncles. So far as the longevity is concerned, disease free life is one and the longevity is another. He is karaka for longevity. But the main factor for the consideration of longevity is something else. 8th lord and 8th house are to be analyzed mainly apart from Karaka Saturn. Still, the 6th house is the 11th house from the 8th house. The eleventh house is considered a Upachaya House – the house of growth – any planet from a particular point in 11th is considered good. In 11th house, again the placement of Saturn is good generally and is in his own house. From this point of view, it gives the immense desire to the native to live long and fulfill his wishes and he determines to do that. The point to be considered mainly is that where exactly Saturn sits in 6th House – the Capricorn. Whether he is placed in 0-10 degrees and if so he is in Sun's constellation. If not he could be either in the constellation of Moon or in the constellation of Mars. Now we have to see where are they placed? What are their conditions? How Saturn is placed in Navamsa? If we properly know these then only one can come to a conclusion about the result giving capacity of Saturn in its dasha and antar dasas. For example if Saturn sits in Sun's constellation and Sun and Saturn are not placed mutually in the chart, this position could give quarrelsome nature to the native. A powerful malefic in 6th is not conducive to the prospects of 5th house, the progeny, since it becomes the 2nd from 5th. It is so on and so forth. Hence the powerful position of a planet in any house in a chart is good from one angle and bad from other angle. It is not so easy to give you an analysis as given to Sunil. Sunil is a beginner he was in a need of a starting point. Where to start? I know pretty well it is not the case with you I suppose. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: I was little bust at workplace yesterday hence I could not respond your questions. ================================================================ Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramaniji, Wat would be the effect if a malefic Saturn sits in 6th but in own house,say Capricorn ? Strong maternal Uncles, Strong capacity to get sanctions for loans, good payments from Sundry debtors,enemies who would turn helpful. But what about diseases ? and what about longevity as natural karaka ? Also what if this Saturn is retrograde for all above effects which I have mentioned and not mentioned. Soo I need comments from two angles, a) For above with Saturn in Capricorn. b) with same Saturn in Capricorn but retrograde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Dear Shri Ravindramaniji, Sorry to have troubled you, but you have done a good job as usual. Its always good to have views from other astrologers who work hard, so that additional inputs can be got, which one may have missed, hence I disturbed you. Thank You, regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "ravindramani" <ravindramani wrote: > > Dear Mr. Bhaskar, > > Saturn in Capricorn – 6th house – (Leo Lagna) that means he is in > his own house. As per the general rule, when a lord placed in his > own house that position enhances the traits of that house and he > clearly represents both the positive and negative qualities of that > house. > > Certainly this position gives the native/the individual, strength as > well as a disease free life. It is a position for courage and > vitality and valour too. Competitive bent of mind is another trait, > which gets enhanced. One will be assured of success in competitions > in the favourable dasha periods. > > As you rightly said in your mail, it gives fame to the maternal > uncles. Further if the lagna lord is favourably placed from 6th > lord, the native can expect good support from the maternal uncles. > > So far as the longevity is concerned, disease free life is one and > the longevity is another. > He is karaka for longevity. But the main factor for the > consideration of longevity is something else. 8th lord and 8th > house are to be analyzed mainly apart from Karaka Saturn. > > Still, the 6th house is the 11th house from the 8th house. The > eleventh house is considered a Upachaya House – the house of growth – > any planet from a particular point in 11th is considered good. In > 11th house, again the placement of Saturn is good generally and is > in his own house. From this point of view, it gives the immense > desire to the native to live long and fulfill his wishes and he > determines to do that. > > The point to be considered mainly is that where exactly Saturn sits > in 6th House – the Capricorn. Whether he is placed in 0-10 degrees > and if so he is in Sun's constellation. If not he could be either > in the constellation of Moon or in the constellation of Mars. Now > we have to see where are they placed? What are their conditions? How > Saturn is placed in Navamsa? If we properly know these then only > one can come to a conclusion about the result giving capacity of > Saturn in its dasha and antar dasas. > > For example if Saturn sits in Sun's constellation and Sun and Saturn > are not placed mutually in the chart, this position could give > quarrelsome nature to the native. > > A powerful malefic in 6th is not conducive to the prospects of 5th > house, the progeny, since it becomes the 2nd from 5th. It is so on > and so forth. Hence the powerful position of a planet in any house > in a chart is good from one angle and bad from other angle. > > It is not so easy to give you an analysis as given to Sunil. Sunil > is a beginner he was in a need of a starting point. Where to > start? I know pretty well it is not the case with you I suppose. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > PS: I was little bust at workplace yesterday hence I could not > respond your questions. > > ================================================================ > > Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramaniji, > > Wat would be the effect if a malefic Saturn sits > in 6th but in own house,say Capricorn ? > Strong maternal Uncles, Strong capacity to > get sanctions for loans, good payments from > Sundry debtors,enemies who would turn helpful. > > But what about diseases ? > and what about longevity as natural karaka ? > > Also what if this Saturn is retrograde for all > above effects which I have mentioned and not mentioned. > > Soo I need comments from two angles, > a) For above with Saturn in Capricorn. > b) with same Saturn in Capricorn but retrograde > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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