The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop!

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By Martin H. Glynn – The American Hebrew page 582, October 31, 1919

 

Martin H. Glynn, Former Governor of the State of N.Y.

 

From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.

 

These children, these men and women are our fellow-members of the human family, with the same claim on life as we, the same susceptibility to the winter's cold, the same propensity to death before the fangs of hunger. Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. We may not be their keepers but we ought to be their helpers.

 

In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of race. In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.

 

Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood.

 

In this threatened holocaust of human life, forgotten are the niceties of philosophical distinction, forgotten are the differences of historical interpretation; and the determination to help the helpless, to shelter the homeless, to clothe the naked and to feed the hungry becomes a religion at whose altar men of every race can worship and women of every creed can kneel. In this calamity the temporalities of man's fashionings fall away before the eternal verities of life, and we awaken to the fact that from the hands of one God we all come and before the tribunal of one God we all must stand on the day of final reckoning. And when that reckoning comes mere profession of lips will not weigh a pennyweight; but deeds, mere intangible deeds, deeds that dry the tear of sorrow and allay the pain of anguish, deeds that with the spirit of the Good Samaritan pour oil and wine in wounds and find sustenance and shelter for the suffering and the stricken, will outweigh all the stars in the heavens, all the waters in the seas, all the rocks and metals in all the celestian globes that revolve in the firmament around us.

 

Race is a matter of accident; creed, partly a matter of inheritance, partly a matter of environment, partly one's method of ratiocination; but our physical wants and corporeal needs are implanted in all of us by the hand of God, and the man or woman who can, and will not, hear the cry of the starving; who can, and will not, take heed of the wail of the dying; who can, and will not, stretch forth a helping hand to those who sink beneath the waves of adversity is an assassin of nature's finest instincts, a traitor to the cause of the human family and an abjurer of the natural law written upon the tablets of every human heart by the finger of God himself.

 

And so in the spirit that turned the poor widow's votive offering of copper into silver, and the silver into gold when placed upon God's altar, the people of this country are called upon to sanctify their money by giving $35,000,000 in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished men and women.

 

Six million men and women are dying -- eight hundred thousand little children are crying for bread.

 

And why?

 

Because of a war to lay Autocracy in the dust and give Democracy the sceptre of the Just.

 

And in that war for democracy 200,000 Jewish lads from the United States fought beneath the Stars and Stripes. In the 77th Division alone there were 14,000 of them, and in Argonne Forest this division captured 54 German guns. This shows that at Argonne the Jewish boys from the United States fought for democracy as Joshua fought against the Amalekites on the plains of Abraham. In an address on the so-called "Lost Battalion," led by Colonel Whittlesey of Pittsfield, Major-General Alexander shows the fighting stuff these Jewish boys were made of. In some way or another Whittlesey's command was surrounded. They were short of rations. They tried to get word back to the rear telling of their plight. They tried and they tried, but their men never got through. Paralysis and stupefaction and despair were in the air. And when the hour was darkest and all seemed lost, a soldier lad stepped forward, and said to Col. Whittlesey: "I will try to get through." He tried, he was wounded, he had to creep and crawl, but he got through. To-day he wears the Distinguished Service Cross and his name is Abraham Krotoshansky.

 

Because of this war for Democracy six million Jewsh men and women are starving across the seas; eight hundred thousand Jewish babies are crying for bread.

 

(Continued from page 582)

 

In the name of Abraham Krotoshinsky who saved the "Lost Battalion," in the name of the one hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and ninety-nine other Jewish boys who fought for Democracy beneath the Stars and Stripes won't you give copper, or silver, or gold, to keep life in the heart of these men and these women; to keep blood in the bodies of these babies?

 

 

The Jew Has Helped Everybody But The Jew.

 

In the world war the Jew has helped everybody but the Jew. "Over there" he helped in camp, in council and in conflict. "Over here" he helped the Red Cross, the Y.M.C.A., the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, the Salvation Army and everybody else. So now is the time for everybody to help the Jew, and God knows now is the time he needs it.

 

From out of the gloom of this war every other race, save one or two, has snatched a ray of sunshine. But amid the encircling gloom there is no light for the Jew "to lead thou me on." The war is over for everyone, but the Jew. The knife is still at his throat and an unreasoning and unreasonable century-old lust for Jewish blood opens his veins. The Jew in Roumania, Poland and Ukrainia is being made the scapegoat of the war. Since the armistice has been signed thousands of Jews in Ukrainia has been offered up as living sacrifices to diabolical greed and fanatical passion -- their throats cut, their bodies rended limb from limb by assassin bands and rabid soldiery. In the city of Proskunoff one day a few weeks ago the dawn saw the door of every house wherein lived a Jew marked as a shambles for slaughter. For four days, from sunrise to sunset, fanatics plied the dagger like demons from hell, stopping only to teat with hands adrip with the blood of Jewish victims. They killed the men; they were less merciful to women. These they violated, and then they killed. From a purpose to a fury, from a fury to a habit ran this killing of the Jews, until within four days the streets of Proskunoff ran red with blood like gutters of a slaughter house, until its homes became a morgue for thousands of slaughtered human deings whose gaping wounds cried out for vengeance and whose eyes had turned to stone at the horrors they had seen. As Hon. Simon W. Rosendale, aptly paraphrasing Bobby Burns' thought, in his speech not long ago, said it is the age-old story of "man's inhumanity to man that makes countless thousands mourn." For as it has been at Proskunoff, so has it been in a hundred other places. The bloody tale hath repetition ad nauseum. It is the same tear-stained story -- the same old stain upon the escutcheon of humanity. Verily, Byron was right when he wrote:

 

Tribes of the wandering feet and weary breast

Whither shall ye flee to be at rest?

The wild dove hath her nest, the fox his cave,

Mankind their countries, Israel but the grave.

 

But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop. We repeat the war is over for everybody, but the Jew. Like Isaac the knife is at his throat, but unlike Isaac no power seems able to stop the steel from thirsting for his blood. But some power the world must raise up to prevent this decimation of a deserving race. For the peace of the world a League of Nations let us have by all means; but for the Humanity of the World, to give justice to the Jew and other oppressed peoples on earth, let us have a Truce of God! -- Albany Times Union.

 

 

The New York Public Library holds a microfilm of the above manuscript. A researcher printed out the images from that microfilm and subequently converted them to jpg format.

 

 

An enlarged photocopy of this material is available here.

 

Comment

 

Of course, the above document does not mean that the Holocaust never took place. Arch historical revisionist David Irving himself admits that there were "death camps". What is at issue here is the exact numbers involved, how they died and who actually benefitted from and promoted the "Holocaust". Was it in fact the Zionists who used the "Holocaust" to pave the way for the foundation of Israel?

 

To answer this question, note the opening sentence of the final paragraph: "But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop". This was first published nearly thirty years before the founding of modern Israel yet it anticipates it and opens many more questions that need to be answered. Ed.

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

 

By Martin H. Glynn – The American Hebrew page 582, October 31, 1919

 

Martin H. Glynn, Former Governor of the State of N.Y.

 

From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.

 

These children, these men and women are our fellow-members of the human family, with the same claim on life as we, the same susceptibility to the winter's cold, the same propensity to death before the fangs of hunger. Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. We may not be their keepers but we ought to be their helpers.

 

In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of race. In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.

 

Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood.

 

In this threatened holocaust of human life, forgotten are the niceties of philosophical distinction, forgotten are the differences of historical interpretation; and the determination to help the helpless, to shelter the homeless, to clothe the naked and to feed the hungry becomes a religion at whose altar men of every race can worship and women of every creed can kneel. In this calamity the temporalities of man's fashionings fall away before the eternal verities of life, and we awaken to the fact that from the hands of one God we all come and before the tribunal of one God we all must stand on the day of final reckoning. And when that reckoning comes mere profession of lips will not weigh a pennyweight; but deeds, mere intangible deeds, deeds that dry the tear of sorrow and allay the pain of anguish, deeds that with the spirit of the Good Samaritan pour oil and wine in wounds and find sustenance and shelter for the suffering and the stricken, will outweigh all the stars in the heavens, all the waters in the seas, all the rocks and metals in all the celestian globes that revolve in the firmament around us.

 

Race is a matter of accident; creed, partly a matter of inheritance, partly a matter of environment, partly one's method of ratiocination; but our physical wants and corporeal needs are implanted in all of us by the hand of God, and the man or woman who can, and will not, hear the cry of the starving; who can, and will not, take heed of the wail of the dying; who can, and will not, stretch forth a helping hand to those who sink beneath the waves of adversity is an assassin of nature's finest instincts, a traitor to the cause of the human family and an abjurer of the natural law written upon the tablets of every human heart by the finger of God himself.

 

And so in the spirit that turned the poor widow's votive offering of copper into silver, and the silver into gold when placed upon God's altar, the people of this country are called upon to sanctify their money by giving $35,000,000 in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished men and women.

 

Six million men and women are dying -- eight hundred thousand little children are crying for bread.

 

And why?

 

Because of a war to lay Autocracy in the dust and give Democracy the sceptre of the Just.

 

And in that war for democracy 200,000 Jewish lads from the United States fought beneath the Stars and Stripes. In the 77th Division alone there were 14,000 of them, and in Argonne Forest this division captured 54 German guns. This shows that at Argonne the Jewish boys from the United States fought for democracy as Joshua fought against the Amalekites on the plains of Abraham. In an address on the so-called "Lost Battalion," led by Colonel Whittlesey of Pittsfield, Major-General Alexander shows the fighting stuff these Jewish boys were made of. In some way or another Whittlesey's command was surrounded. They were short of rations. They tried to get word back to the rear telling of their plight. They tried and they tried, but their men never got through. Paralysis and stupefaction and despair were in the air. And when the hour was darkest and all seemed lost, a soldier lad stepped forward, and said to Col. Whittlesey: "I will try to get through." He tried, he was wounded, he had to creep and crawl, but he got through. To-day he wears the Distinguished Service Cross and his name is Abraham Krotoshansky.

 

Because of this war for Democracy six million Jewsh men and women are starving across the seas; eight hundred thousand Jewish babies are crying for bread.

 

(Continued from page 582)

 

In the name of Abraham Krotoshinsky who saved the "Lost Battalion," in the name of the one hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and ninety-nine other Jewish boys who fought for Democracy beneath the Stars and Stripes won't you give copper, or silver, or gold, to keep life in the heart of these men and these women; to keep blood in the bodies of these babies?

 

 

The Jew Has Helped Everybody But The Jew.

 

In the world war the Jew has helped everybody but the Jew. "Over there" he helped in camp, in council and in conflict. "Over here" he helped the Red Cross, the Y.M.C.A., the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, the Salvation Army and everybody else. So now is the time for everybody to help the Jew, and God knows now is the time he needs it.

 

From out of the gloom of this war every other race, save one or two, has snatched a ray of sunshine. But amid the encircling gloom there is no light for the Jew "to lead thou me on." The war is over for everyone, but the Jew. The knife is still at his throat and an unreasoning and unreasonable century-old lust for Jewish blood opens his veins. The Jew in Roumania, Poland and Ukrainia is being made the scapegoat of the war. Since the armistice has been signed thousands of Jews in Ukrainia has been offered up as living sacrifices to diabolical greed and fanatical passion -- their throats cut, their bodies rended limb from limb by assassin bands and rabid soldiery. In the city of Proskunoff one day a few weeks ago the dawn saw the door of every house wherein lived a Jew marked as a shambles for slaughter. For four days, from sunrise to sunset, fanatics plied the dagger like demons from hell, stopping only to teat with hands adrip with the blood of Jewish victims. They killed the men; they were less merciful to women. These they violated, and then they killed. From a purpose to a fury, from a fury to a habit ran this killing of the Jews, until within four days the streets of Proskunoff ran red with blood like gutters of a slaughter house, until its homes became a morgue for thousands of slaughtered human deings whose gaping wounds cried out for vengeance and whose eyes had turned to stone at the horrors they had seen. As Hon. Simon W. Rosendale, aptly paraphrasing Bobby Burns' thought, in his speech not long ago, said it is the age-old story of "man's inhumanity to man that makes countless thousands mourn." For as it has been at Proskunoff, so has it been in a hundred other places. The bloody tale hath repetition ad nauseum. It is the same tear-stained story -- the same old stain upon the escutcheon of humanity. Verily, Byron was right when he wrote:

 

Tribes of the wandering feet and weary breast

Whither shall ye flee to be at rest?

The wild dove hath her nest, the fox his cave,

Mankind their countries, Israel but the grave.

 

But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop. We repeat the war is over for everybody, but the Jew. Like Isaac the knife is at his throat, but unlike Isaac no power seems able to stop the steel from thirsting for his blood. But some power the world must raise up to prevent this decimation of a deserving race. For the peace of the world a League of Nations let us have by all means; but for the Humanity of the World, to give justice to the Jew and other oppressed peoples on earth, let us have a Truce of God! -- Albany Times Union.

 

 

The New York Public Library holds a microfilm of the above manuscript. A researcher printed out the images from that microfilm and subequently converted them to jpg format.

 

 

An enlarged photocopy of this material is available here.

 

Comment

 

Of course, the above document does not mean that the Holocaust never took place. Arch historical revisionist David Irving himself admits that there were "death camps". What is at issue here is the exact numbers involved, how they died and who actually benefitted from and promoted the "Holocaust". Was it in fact the Zionists who used the "Holocaust" to pave the way for the foundation of Israel?

 

To answer this question, note the opening sentence of the final paragraph: "But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop". This was first published nearly thirty years before the founding of modern Israel yet it anticipates it and opens many more questions that need to be answered. Ed.

 

QUOTE:

 

...it...opens many more questions that need to be answered...

 

REPLY:

 

So what is just one of those questions?

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

 

By Martin H. Glynn – The American Hebrew page 582, October 31, 1919

 

Martin H. Glynn, Former Governor of the State of N.Y.

 

From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.

 

These children, these men and women are our fellow-members of the human family, with the same claim on life as we, the same susceptibility to the winter's cold, the same propensity to death before the fangs of hunger. Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. We may not be their keepers but we ought to be their helpers.

 

In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of race. In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.

 

Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood.

 

In this threatened holocaust of human life, forgotten are the niceties of philosophical distinction, forgotten are the differences of historical interpretation; and the determination to help the helpless, to shelter the homeless, to clothe the naked and to feed the hungry becomes a religion at whose altar men of every race can worship and women of every creed can kneel. In this calamity the temporalities of man's fashionings fall away before the eternal verities of life, and we awaken to the fact that from the hands of one God we all come and before the tribunal of one God we all must stand on the day of final reckoning. And when that reckoning comes mere profession of lips will not weigh a pennyweight; but deeds, mere intangible deeds, deeds that dry the tear of sorrow and allay the pain of anguish, deeds that with the spirit of the Good Samaritan pour oil and wine in wounds and find sustenance and shelter for the suffering and the stricken, will outweigh all the stars in the heavens, all the waters in the seas, all the rocks and metals in all the celestian globes that revolve in the firmament around us.

 

Race is a matter of accident; creed, partly a matter of inheritance, partly a matter of environment, partly one's method of ratiocination; but our physical wants and corporeal needs are implanted in all of us by the hand of God, and the man or woman who can, and will not, hear the cry of the starving; who can, and will not, take heed of the wail of the dying; who can, and will not, stretch forth a helping hand to those who sink beneath the waves of adversity is an assassin of nature's finest instincts, a traitor to the cause of the human family and an abjurer of the natural law written upon the tablets of every human heart by the finger of God himself.

 

And so in the spirit that turned the poor widow's votive offering of copper into silver, and the silver into gold when placed upon God's altar, the people of this country are called upon to sanctify their money by giving $35,000,000 in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished men and women.

 

Six million men and women are dying -- eight hundred thousand little children are crying for bread.

 

And why?

 

Because of a war to lay Autocracy in the dust and give Democracy the sceptre of the Just.

 

And in that war for democracy 200,000 Jewish lads from the United States fought beneath the Stars and Stripes. In the 77th Division alone there were 14,000 of them, and in Argonne Forest this division captured 54 German guns. This shows that at Argonne the Jewish boys from the United States fought for democracy as Joshua fought against the Amalekites on the plains of Abraham. In an address on the so-called "Lost Battalion," led by Colonel Whittlesey of Pittsfield, Major-General Alexander shows the fighting stuff these Jewish boys were made of. In some way or another Whittlesey's command was surrounded. They were short of rations. They tried to get word back to the rear telling of their plight. They tried and they tried, but their men never got through. Paralysis and stupefaction and despair were in the air. And when the hour was darkest and all seemed lost, a soldier lad stepped forward, and said to Col. Whittlesey: "I will try to get through." He tried, he was wounded, he had to creep and crawl, but he got through. To-day he wears the Distinguished Service Cross and his name is Abraham Krotoshansky.

 

Because of this war for Democracy six million Jewsh men and women are starving across the seas; eight hundred thousand Jewish babies are crying for bread.

 

(Continued from page 582)

 

In the name of Abraham Krotoshinsky who saved the "Lost Battalion," in the name of the one hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and ninety-nine other Jewish boys who fought for Democracy beneath the Stars and Stripes won't you give copper, or silver, or gold, to keep life in the heart of these men and these women; to keep blood in the bodies of these babies?

 

 

The Jew Has Helped Everybody But The Jew.

 

In the world war the Jew has helped everybody but the Jew. "Over there" he helped in camp, in council and in conflict. "Over here" he helped the Red Cross, the Y.M.C.A., the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, the Salvation Army and everybody else. So now is the time for everybody to help the Jew, and God knows now is the time he needs it.

 

From out of the gloom of this war every other race, save one or two, has snatched a ray of sunshine. But amid the encircling gloom there is no light for the Jew "to lead thou me on." The war is over for everyone, but the Jew. The knife is still at his throat and an unreasoning and unreasonable century-old lust for Jewish blood opens his veins. The Jew in Roumania, Poland and Ukrainia is being made the scapegoat of the war. Since the armistice has been signed thousands of Jews in Ukrainia has been offered up as living sacrifices to diabolical greed and fanatical passion -- their throats cut, their bodies rended limb from limb by assassin bands and rabid soldiery. In the city of Proskunoff one day a few weeks ago the dawn saw the door of every house wherein lived a Jew marked as a shambles for slaughter. For four days, from sunrise to sunset, fanatics plied the dagger like demons from hell, stopping only to teat with hands adrip with the blood of Jewish victims. They killed the men; they were less merciful to women. These they violated, and then they killed. From a purpose to a fury, from a fury to a habit ran this killing of the Jews, until within four days the streets of Proskunoff ran red with blood like gutters of a slaughter house, until its homes became a morgue for thousands of slaughtered human deings whose gaping wounds cried out for vengeance and whose eyes had turned to stone at the horrors they had seen. As Hon. Simon W. Rosendale, aptly paraphrasing Bobby Burns' thought, in his speech not long ago, said it is the age-old story of "man's inhumanity to man that makes countless thousands mourn." For as it has been at Proskunoff, so has it been in a hundred other places. The bloody tale hath repetition ad nauseum. It is the same tear-stained story -- the same old stain upon the escutcheon of humanity. Verily, Byron was right when he wrote:

 

Tribes of the wandering feet and weary breast

Whither shall ye flee to be at rest?

The wild dove hath her nest, the fox his cave,

Mankind their countries, Israel but the grave.

 

But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop. We repeat the war is over for everybody, but the Jew. Like Isaac the knife is at his throat, but unlike Isaac no power seems able to stop the steel from thirsting for his blood. But some power the world must raise up to prevent this decimation of a deserving race. For the peace of the world a League of Nations let us have by all means; but for the Humanity of the World, to give justice to the Jew and other oppressed peoples on earth, let us have a Truce of God! -- Albany Times Union.

 

 

The New York Public Library holds a microfilm of the above manuscript. A researcher printed out the images from that microfilm and subequently converted them to jpg format.

 

 

An enlarged photocopy of this material is available here.

 

Comment

 

Of course, the above document does not mean that the Holocaust never took place. Arch historical revisionist David Irving himself admits that there were "death camps". What is at issue here is the exact numbers involved, how they died and who actually benefitted from and promoted the "Holocaust". Was it in fact the Zionists who used the "Holocaust" to pave the way for the foundation of Israel?

 

To answer this question, note the opening sentence of the final paragraph: "But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop". This was first published nearly thirty years before the founding of modern Israel yet it anticipates it and opens many more questions that need to be answered. Ed.

 

Quote:

 

Of course, the above document does not mean that the Holocaust never took place. Arch historical revisionist David Irving himself admits that there were "death camps". What is at issue here is the exact numbers involved, how they died and who actually benefitted from and promoted the "Holocaust". Was it in fact the Zionists who used the "Holocaust" to pave the way for the foundation of Israel?

 

To answer this question, note the opening sentence of the final paragraph: "But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews must stop". This was first published nearly thirty years before the founding of modern Israel yet it anticipates it and opens many more questions that need to be answered

 

Reply:

 

Hello - was wondering if you were just posting this up for the sake of propaganda or if you were doing so to engage discussion because as it appears it's the former.

 

The premise is false. The birth of the state of israel was [these are highlights only] bourne out of this:

 

1200 B.C.E. - Lower Egypt’s remaining Jews are expelled at the end of the 19th Dynasty.

 

 

586 B.C.E.. - First Temple in Jerusalem is destroyed by the Babylonians.

 

168 B.C.E. - The Romans defile the Holy Temple, erecting a statue of Zeus and sacrificing swine. Observance of the Sabbath and circumcision are banned.

 

0 - The Second Temple is destroyed by the Romans.

 

73 - Roman troops storm Masada after a 3 year siege. The Jewish inhabitants kill themselves rather than submit to Roman slavery.

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135 A.D. - A Jewish diaspora begins as Hadrian bars Jews from Jerusalem and has survivors of the massacre dispersed across the empire. Those who escape are sold into slavery.

 

627 - Enemies of the prophet Mohammed move on Medina from Mecca and slaughter 700 Jews.

 

1099 - Crusaders break into Jerusalem, and set fire to a synagogue where Jews are taking refuge, burning them to death. Those who survived are sold as slaves or ransomed.

1290 - England’s Edward I exiles the country’s Jews.

 

1306 - Jews are expelled from France.

England whips and expels some 100,000 Jews who have remained since Edward I’s expulsion order of 1290.

 

1348 - Jews are blamed for spreading the Black Death by deliberately contaminating wells and by "anointing" people and houses with poison. The Jews are herded into wooden buildings and burned alive. At Strasbourg more than 2,000 Jewish scapegoats are hanged on a scaffold erected at the Jewish burying ground.

1349 - Jews are expelled from Hungary.

1391 - Seville has a pogrom in June that spreads throughout Andalusia as Spaniards seek scapegoats for the Black Death. Castilian sailors set fire to the Barcelona ghetto, and for 4 days a mob rages out of control, killing hundreds. Many Spanish Jews will accept conversion in the next few years.

 

1400 - 1772 - Jews are restricted from Russia.

 

1414 - Cologne, a town in western Germany, expels its Jews.

 

1421 - Jews are expelled from Austria.

 

1478 - Isabella of Castile launches an Inquisition against converted Jews who secretly practice their original faith, persecuting the so-called Marranos (the word originally meant pigs).

 

1492 - A decree issued March 31 by Ferdinand and Isabella orders Granada’s 150,000 Jews to sell their property and leave the country by July 31 "for the honor and glory of God." Ferdinand decrees November 23 that all property and assets left by the Jews belong to the Crown, even those now in Christian hands.

 

1497 - Jews are expelled from Portugal.

 

1555 - Pope Paul IV orders that Rome’s Jewish quarter be surrounded by a wall, creating the ghetto of Rome, claiming "God has imposed servitude until they should have recognized their errors".

 

1648 - A Ukrainian pogrom by Greek Orthodox peasants destroys hundreds of Jewish communities, killing all who will not accept the cross. The general populace joined this genocide, which degrades and tortures Jews before murdering them.

 

1657- Oliver Cromwell tacitly permits Jews to return to England.

 

1744 - Maria Theresa launches a pogrom to drive the Jews out of Bohemia and Moravia. Even where tolerated, Europe’s Jews often live under degrading conditions with regulations designed to limit their expansion and keep their status at a low level.

 

1772 - Jews are admitted into Russia, but are confined to the Pale of Settlement, a narrow strip of land.

 

1788 - Josef II orders Austrian Jews to adopt "proper recognizable surnames." They have been known until now largely by biblical patronyms and when some object to changing their names, the emperor’s officials give them such surnames as "Fresser,Pferd," and "Weinglas."

 

1789 - French Revolution: French National Association denounce equal rights for French Jews.

 

1807 - Napoleon forces leading rabbis and leaders to disavow Jewish commitments and pledge allegiance to France alone.

 

1881 - Russia’s new czar Aleksandr III makes Jews the scapegoats for the assassination of his father. He vows to kill one-third of the country’s Jews, drive out another third, and convert the rest, beginning a series of pogroms that will spur the emigration of millions of Jews in the next 30 years.

 

1893 - Antisemitism mounts in France as Jews are blamed for the collapse in 1889 of the Panama Canal Co., whose bankruptcy has cost many French investors their savings.

 

1894 - A French court martial convicts Army captain Alfred Dreyfus, 35, of having passed military information to German agents. Dreyfus will later be proved innocent, but the Dreyfus case adds to the growing Antisemitism in France. Viennese journalist Theodore Herzl, 34, covers the trial and hears the Paris mob cry, "Death to the Jews!" This experience would influence Herzl to become the father of the Zionist movement which inspired the creation of the State of Israel.

 

1898 -"J’Accuse!" headlines the Paris newspaper L’Aurore January 18 over an open letter by novelist Emile Zola. His attack forces a new trial of Capt. Dreyfus. It is revealed that Dreyfus was the victim of an Antisemitic plot.

 

1913 - The Anti-Defamation League is founded by B’Nai B’rith (Sons of the Covenant) to fight anti-Semitism in America.

 

1915 - A new Ku Klux Klan is legally chartered in Georgia. It employs terrorist tactics against blacks, Jews, and Roman Catholics. The new leader calls his KKK a "high-class, mystic, social, patriotic, benevolent association" dedicated to "white supremacy," the protection of Southern womanhood, and "Americanism," and claims it will promote his "invisible empire." It will attract a membership of nearly 100,000 throughout the country within 6 years, concentrating political power to elect sympathetic U.S. senators, congressmen, and state officials.

 

<tt>http://library.thinkquest.org/12307/astl_fr.html

</tt>Then later came the Nazi pogrom - that was to make these other events pale in comparison!

2005:

 

"...Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world...There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [israel] from the face of the Islamic world..." [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of iran, 2005]

 

<tt>"Burn all synagogues.

Destroy all Jewish dwellings.

Confiscate the Jews' holy books.

Forbid rabbis to teach.

Forbid Jews to travel.

Forbid Jews to charge interest on loans to non-Jews and confiscate Jewish property.

Force Jews to do physical labor.

Expel the Jews from provinces where Christians live."

 

- Martin Luther in the pamphlet "Concerning the Jews and Their Lies." Early sixteenth century.

I think that Martin Luther embodies the nasty nature to which this thinking can sink to - let's not forget that 'he' was suppossed to be some great 'protestant and reformer' - what was he protesting? The so-called injustices of the catholic church - of which he was clergy - then he defected and did that do anything to help him reform his hate for Jews? Not apparently!

 

Here is a particular nasty comment from him as recorded [more than once!] within his noted pamphlet - [which can be found online]:

 

</tt>"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?"

<tt> Just see that offensive thinking and - to smear God too into it that way!

The sad part of this is that people still think his 'other' writings are worth something!

</tt>

<tt>"In Morocco in 1907, a huge massacre of Jews took place in Casablanca, along with the usual embellishments-rape, women carried away into the mountains, hundreds of homes and shops burned, etc... In 1912 a big massacre in Fez...girls and women raped in front of their families, the stomachs of pregnant women slashed open, the infants ripped out of them, children smashed with crowbars... All this can be found in the newspapers of the time, including the local Arab papers."

"Roughly speaking and in the best of cases, the Jew is protected like a dog which is part of man's property, but if he raises his head or acts like a man, then he must be beaten so that he will always remember his status."

 

- Writings of Albert Memmi, a noted French Jewish novelist</tt>

 

<tt>"[The Jews are] our masters and our enemies, whom we detest... the most abominable people in the world. In short they are a totally ignorant nation who, for many years, have combined contemptible miserliness and the most revolting superstition with a violent hatred of all those nations that have tolerated them... your priests have always sacrificed human victims with their sacred hands."

 

- Voltaire's Dictionnaire Philosophique, in which 30 of his 118 articles described the Jews, Eighteenth Century.</tt>

 

 

<tt>"The euthanasia of Judaism can only be achieved by means of a pure, moral religion, and the abandonment of all old legal regulations."

 

- Immanuel Kant, major German thinker of the late eighteenth century.</tt>

 

<tt>"What is the secular cult of the Jew? Haggling.

What is his secular god? Money.

Well them! Emancipation from haggling and money, from practical, real Judaism would be the self-emancipation of our time! Money is the jealous God of Israel, besides which no other God may stand."

 

- Karl Marx in one of his first major essays, "On the Jewish Question," mid nineteenth century.</tt>

 

<tt>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the labor leaders, and I did not speak out - because I was not a labor leader.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

- Reverend Martin Niemoellier, a pastor in the German Confessing Church who spent seven years in a concentration camp.</tt>

 

<tt>So let's look at these words - from the scriptures:</tt>

 

...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem. [Zechariah 1.14-17]

 

So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled - because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet - the nations after the 70 C.E. exile - were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so.

 

<tt>I think that this should all be understood and - please try to understand what </tt><tt>Reverend Martin Niemoellierb meant in his words:</tt>

 

<tt>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the labor leaders, and I did not speak out - because I was not a labor leader.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

Let's recap the history:

 

</tt>1200 B.C.E. - Lower Egypt’s remaining Jews are expelled at the end of the 19th Dynasty.

 

 

586 B.C.E.. - First Temple in Jerusalem is destroyed by the Babylonians.

 

168 B.C.E. - The Romans defile the Holy Temple, erecting a statue of Zeus and sacrificing swine. Observance of the Sabbath and circumcision are banned.

 

0 - The Second Temple is destroyed by the Romans.

 

73 - Roman troops storm Masada after a 3 year siege. The Jewish inhabitants kill themselves rather than submit to Roman slavery.

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135 A.D. - A Jewish diaspora begins as Hadrian bars Jews from Jerusalem and has survivors of the massacre dispersed across the empire. Those who escape are sold into slavery.

 

627 - Enemies of the prophet Mohammed move on Medina from Mecca and slaughter 700 Jews.

 

1099 - Crusaders break into Jerusalem, and set fire to a synagogue where Jews are taking refuge, burning them to death. Those who survived are sold as slaves or ransomed.

1290 - England’s Edward I exiles the country’s Jews.

 

1306 - Jews are expelled from France.

England whips and expels some 100,000 Jews who have remained since Edward I’s expulsion order of 1290.

 

1348 - Jews are blamed for spreading the Black Death by deliberately contaminating wells and by "anointing" people and houses with poison. The Jews are herded into wooden buildings and burned alive. At Strasbourg more than 2,000 Jewish scapegoats are hanged on a scaffold erected at the Jewish burying ground.

1349 - Jews are expelled from Hungary.

1391 - Seville has a pogrom in June that spreads throughout Andalusia as Spaniards seek scapegoats for the Black Death. Castilian sailors set fire to the Barcelona ghetto, and for 4 days a mob rages out of control, killing hundreds. Many Spanish Jews will accept conversion in the next few years.

 

1400 - 1772 - Jews are restricted from Russia.

 

1414 - Cologne, a town in western Germany, expels its Jews.

 

1421 - Jews are expelled from Austria.

 

1478 - Isabella of Castile launches an Inquisition against converted Jews who secretly practice their original faith, persecuting the so-called Marranos (the word originally meant pigs).

 

1492 - A decree issued March 31 by Ferdinand and Isabella orders Granada’s 150,000 Jews to sell their property and leave the country by July 31 "for the honor and glory of God." Ferdinand decrees November 23 that all property and assets left by the Jews belong to the Crown, even those now in Christian hands.

 

1497 - Jews are expelled from Portugal.

 

1555 - Pope Paul IV orders that Rome’s Jewish quarter be surrounded by a wall, creating the ghetto of Rome, claiming "God has imposed servitude until they should have recognized their errors".

 

1648 - A Ukrainian pogrom by Greek Orthodox peasants destroys hundreds of Jewish communities, killing all who will not accept the cross. The general populace joined this genocide, which degrades and tortures Jews before murdering them.

 

1657- Oliver Cromwell tacitly permits Jews to return to England.

 

1744 - Maria Theresa launches a pogrom to drive the Jews out of Bohemia and Moravia. Even where tolerated, Europe’s Jews often live under degrading conditions with regulations designed to limit their expansion and keep their status at a low level.

 

1772 - Jews are admitted into Russia, but are confined to the Pale of Settlement, a narrow strip of land.

 

1788 - Josef II orders Austrian Jews to adopt "proper recognizable surnames." They have been known until now largely by biblical patronyms and when some object to changing their names, the emperor’s officials give them such surnames as "Fresser,Pferd," and "Weinglas."

 

1789 - French Revolution: French National Association denounce equal rights for French Jews.

 

1807 - Napoleon forces leading rabbis and leaders to disavow Jewish commitments and pledge allegiance to France alone.

 

1881 - Russia’s new czar Aleksandr III makes Jews the scapegoats for the assassination of his father. He vows to kill one-third of the country’s Jews, drive out another third, and convert the rest, beginning a series of pogroms that will spur the emigration of millions of Jews in the next 30 years.

 

1893 - Antisemitism mounts in France as Jews are blamed for the collapse in 1889 of the Panama Canal Co., whose bankruptcy has cost many French investors their savings.

 

1894 - A French court martial convicts Army captain Alfred Dreyfus, 35, of having passed military information to German agents. Dreyfus will later be proved innocent, but the Dreyfus case adds to the growing Antisemitism in France. Viennese journalist Theodore Herzl, 34, covers the trial and hears the Paris mob cry, "Death to the Jews!" This experience would influence Herzl to become the father of the Zionist movement which inspired the creation of the State of Israel.

 

1898 -"J’Accuse!" headlines the Paris newspaper L’Aurore January 18 over an open letter by novelist Emile Zola. His attack forces a new trial of Capt. Dreyfus. It is revealed that Dreyfus was the victim of an Antisemitic plot.

 

1913 - The Anti-Defamation League is founded by B’Nai B’rith (Sons of the Covenant) to fight anti-Semitism in America.

 

1915 - A new Ku Klux Klan is legally chartered in Georgia. It employs terrorist tactics against blacks, Jews, and Roman Catholics. The new leader calls his KKK a "high-class, mystic, social, patriotic, benevolent association" dedicated to "white supremacy," the protection of Southern womanhood, and "Americanism," and claims it will promote his "invisible empire." It will attract a membership of nearly 100,000 throughout the country within 6 years, concentrating political power to elect sympathetic U.S. senators, congressmen, and state officials.

 

1930's and 1940's

 

The Nazi pogrom

 

2000-2006<tt>

 

</tt>"...Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world...There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [israel] from the face of the Islamic world..." [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of iran]

 

"...this is not a country of humans. These are animals and a group of gangs, and this country must be wiped off the face of the earth..." [Ghazi Hamad, hamas spokesperson]

 

"...[the Jews are] the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs...the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs...the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption..." [the highest-ranking cleric in the sunni muslim world]

 

So this vile hate - which leads to a desire for another genocide - is not a thing of the past.

 

Those who respect 'the book' should understand - what does 'the book' say in this regard:

 

...I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased [with His exiled], and they [the nations] helped for evil [forwarded the afflictions]. [Zechariah 1.14-17]

 

It should be seen - the exile was less of a punishment of His people and more of a test for the nations - a test which they've failed.

 

So any questions?

[suchandra 1]

 

1400 - 1772 - Jews are restricted from Russia.

1414 - Cologne, a town in western Germany, expels its Jews.

1306 - Jews are expelled from France.

England whips and expels some 100,000 Jews who have remained since Edward I’s expulsion order of 1290.

1349 - Jews are expelled from Hungary.

 

This is pretty much false racism - there's no such thing as Russians, French, Hungarians, British, Germans. All these people were part of a huge global migration and are a mixture of all kind of different ethnical groups.

Folks were always emigrating and all over Europe it is nothing but a mixture of so many different nationalities in every European country, even millions of Asians and Africans live all over Europe. The "British", what are those "British", these are all immigrants from anywhere and everywhere - same like US residents. Five Million so called "Germans" immigrated in the 19th cent. to US and are now called "Americans". So this is all bogus racism.

Btw, what was the reason that the immigrated Jews were expelled from countries that consisted of people who were also nothing but immigrants?

What was their "crime"?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran is Jewish, 30,000 Jews live in Iran - so why you call him a Nazi?

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

 

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran is Jewish, 30,000 Jews live in Iran - so why you call him a Nazi?

 

WHATEVER! As if he is jewish....got some evidence for that outrageous claim? It is a widely known fact that he is an apostate Muslim and - I'll bet he even thinks he's the 'al-madhi' or something AND - if the jews in iran have any sense - they shall leave iran ASAP.

 

Ahmadinejad has made several controversial statements about the Holocaust - calling it "a myth"...like you do.

 

"...Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world...There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [israel] from the face of the Islamic world..." [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of iran]

 

Is that not a threat? Why do you defend this?

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

 

This is pretty much false racism - there's no such thing as Russians, French, Hungarians, British, Germans. All these people were part of a huge global migration and are a mixture of all kind of different ethnical groups.

Folks were always emigrating and all over Europe it is nothing but a mixture of so many different nationalities in every European country, even millions of Asians and Africans live all over Europe. The "British", what are those "British", these are all immigrants from anywhere and everywhere - same like US residents. Five Million so called "Germans" immigrated in the 19th cent. to US and are now called "Americans". So this is all bogus racism.

Btw, what was the reason that the immigrated Jews were expelled from countries that consisted of people who were also nothing but immigrants?

What was their "crime"?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran is Jewish, 30,000 Jews live in Iran - so why you call him a Nazi?

Quote:

 

This is pretty much false racism - there's no such thing as Russians, French, Hungarians, British, Germans. All these people were part of a huge global migration and are a mixture of all kind of different ethnical groups.

Folks were always emigrating and all over Europe it is nothing but a mixture of so many different nationalities in every European country, even millions of Asians and Africans live all over Europe. The "British", what are those "British", these are all immigrants from anywhere and everywhere - same like US residents. Five Million so called "Germans" immigrated in the 19th cent. to US and are now called "Americans". So this is all bogus racism.

Reply:

 

That whole statement is 'bogus' and - it has no relevance to this point in my posting and - it makes no sense.

 

The "bogus racism" of those around the Jewish communities is what led to those histories - a "racism" that is still very much a part of the global masses - it is delirious - and - those who perpetuate it are greatly bewildered demoniacs.

 

Quote:

 

what was the reason that the immigrated Jews were expelled from countries that consisted of people who were also nothing but immigrants? What was their "crime"?

Reply:

 

Yes - what? Seems that the 'birds of a feather' simile just lingers here - sad that you cannot move past the 'incorrigible'...

I think that all the evidence says that God shall punish 'the nations' for this - as I noted already -the exile was less of a punishment of His people and more of a test for the nations - a test which they've failed.

[suchandra 1]

 

WHATEVER! As if he is jewish....got some evidence for that outrageous claim? It is a widely known fact that he is an apostate Muslim and - I'll bet he even thinks he's the 'al-madhi' or something AND - if the jews in iran have any sense - they shall leave iran ASAP.

 

Ahmadinejad has made several controversial statements about the Holocaust - calling it "a myth"...like you do.

 

"...Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world...There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [israel] from the face of the Islamic world..." [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of iran]

 

Is that not a threat? Why do you defend this?

 

You're surely being tricked, humbugged or bumboozled by Fox - but

Rabbi Moische Arye Friedman would 100% surely never shake hands with someone who eats pigs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/12/iran.holocaust.ap/index.html

 

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

 

You're surely being tricked, humbugged or bumboozled by Fox - but

Rabbi Moische Arye Friedman would 100% surely never shake hands with someone who eats pigs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/12/iran.holocaust.ap/index.html

 

 

Good Lord - that is your reasoning? Would you shake hands with a cow eater? Your comment is actually anti-semitic in itself...

 

That "Moische Arye Friedman" is an apostate jew - like president knuckle head is an apostate muslim - just like yer an apostate vaishnava...

 

These noted jews should read my postings on this matter - there are many of them here including:

 

*These noted orthodox followers are interpreting that they cannot return to Jerusalem to renew the State - without the messiah. But they should embrace the renewed State - for the following reasons and - more.

 

The children of Ephraim were as archers handling the bow, that turned back in the day of battle. [Psalms 78.9]

 

So best to be not now - like them then.

 

In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven away, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a mighty nation; and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from thenceforth even for ever. [Micah 4.6-7]

 

Of course the messiah that is expected - shall not be seen through any second advent of Jesus - because Jesus isn't the prophetically expected messiah - the 'why not' part of that - is a whole other discussion .

 

So it should be noted that the expected messiah [a complex subject matter] - is a human being - not God - not an incarnation [partial or otherwise] he isn't a demigod - he isn't a 'supernatural' nor divine being at all. - though he is 'different' - in that he has a 'general soul' or - a 'slightly universal' soul.

 

He doesn't have magic powers. Like in the days of old - God shall work the wonders - during the messianic age.

 

So what are a few points about this - in the Prophetic tradition.

 

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig-tree; and none shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken. For let all the peoples walk each one in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. [Micah 4.4-5]

 

In that quote we see that the messianic age - shall be multi-faith.

 

But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days. Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel. [Micah 5.1-2]

 

In that quote we see that the messiah's maternal roots could be traced to this place [Beth-lehem]. To say 'which art little to be among the thousands of Judah' indicates that this was an obscure place - not a place of greatness.

 

It is a misnomer that he is to be born in Beth-lehem - clearly the texts confirm he is born among the exiles.

 

In saying 'out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days' confirms that he has been reincarnating toward this point for a long time - 'whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days'.

 

We also see that Beth-lehem shall not be a part of a State of Israel 'until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth' or - he is born - the text says 'Therefore will He give them up' - so is he talking about Beth-lehem - the Hebrew people in exile [and thus Jursalem] or - both?

 

The full point is 'Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - so 'them' indentifies - both those in exile and - Beth-lehem.

 

So they 'shall return' to where - to an already renewed and infant State or - to just a geographical location or - both?

 

We must consider that were it not for Jesus and the Faith surronding him - Beth-lehem would certainly have become a nearly deserted and forgotten place [by the time messiah is born somewhere in the exile] and - for Hebrews it [was] is an 'obscure place' a place of 'no mention'.

 

So we have to then ask - when did Beth-lehem again become part of a State of Israel?

 

It was on June 05, 1967 - so 'He [will] give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth and - that then should indicate that - he must have to be born just prior to that event.

 

Consider 'He [will] give them up until the time that she who is to give birth has given birth' - the word 'until' is important - so they are no longer 'given up' right after he is born and - if the messiah is to [alone] accomplish all this - how would he do so - as an infant child? So the use of 'until' means that as soon as he is born - no more position of being 'given up' or seperated from the renewed State.

 

We can also add that the formal reclamation of all of Jerusalem could/would also coincide with this noted event:

 

Now why dost thou cry out aloud? Is there no King in thee, is thy Counsellor perished, that pangs have taken hold of thee as of a woman in travail? [Micah 4.9]

 

After that - there is this description in Zechariah 1.14-17:

 

...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

 

So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet the nations after the exile were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so - thus God says 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy' - so when we see fruition of the Micah 5.1-2 events we see that God permits all of Jerusalem to be again under an Israeli State.

 

The State of Israel was first reclaimed after WWII - after the well known last general pogrom [directly under the Nazis and other's indirectly] came to an end - as noted in that quote God thinks that the world could have done more to prevent so much loss and instead they were 'at ease' with the Nazis - for too long - and God sanctioned this renewal - but - with this renewed State - there was a line as it were through [dividing] Jerusalem - until 1967.

 

It should be mentioned that many propagandists have taken Zechariah 14.2 - 'For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, but the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.' - to mean that there shall be a future war there and 'the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city' - but this not so - as that was fulfilled in 30 C.E. - with the Exile - it should be noted that Muslim rulers later allowed the reestablishment of a Jewish community in Jerusalem thus 'the residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' means that even after the exile the people were being enabled by God - for a return to a former status as a State or - the end of the Exile!

 

In text 3-4 we read that sometime after the exile comes "The Day of the Lord" - we note this point in texts three and four:

 

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fighteth in the day of battle. And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, so that there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

So God indeed left mercy and an open door through this 'residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' - so that means that at some point [after the 30 C.E. exile] - the residue of the exile again comes to Jerusalem.

 

Additionally - if the world ends up in a sorry state over this point - there may well come this 'vist' - that produces a mountain dividing earthquake - so - in text 7 we read - And there shall be one day which shall be known as the LORD'S, not day, and not night; but it shall come to pass, that at evening time there shall be light. - of course we 'everyone' have choices - that impact everything.

 

So to the point again - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is a State for him and his family and 'the children of Israel' to return to.

 

So yes these are my humble interpretations but - it could well be that he is already here - what aspects of the future of the State of Israel [and the world] are to be impacted by his appearance - is another discussion.

 

One thing is sure - whenever it is that he is born - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God [with a securing of Beth-lehem and [all of] Jerusalem with the timing of his birth] - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is already a State for him and 'the residue of his family' and 'the children of Israel' to return to.

 

We can see within this last quote [and through the other's so far] that there is a clear allusion to an exisiting Jerusalem and State - to the seeming surprise of God [and the remant of the people who later begin to return] some time before messiah is born - further - we've seen that God is to show-up in anger - which is noted as being - directed toward the nations - for their helping forward the afflictions of His exiled - when He was 'only a little displeased' - so - at the end of the last and worst pogrom [nazi] God indeed 'showed up' to reclaim Jerusalem and - as expected and 'planned' - He was 'surprised' to see some of His exiled - already there and - because He was sore displeased with the nations - for their 'at ease' adventures in the continual pogroms - He was pleased with finding some remant of His exiled there and He thus began the process - for messiah to be born and - coinciding it with the removal of the dividing-line through Jerusalem:

 

And the word of the LORD of hosts came, saying: 'Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I am jealous for her with great fury. Thus saith the LORD: I return unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and Jerusalem shall be called The city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts The holy mountain. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: There shall yet old men and old women sit in the broad places of Jerusalem, every man with his staff in his hand for very age. And the broad places of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the broad places thereof. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in those days, should it also be marvellous in Mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. [Zechariah 8.1-6]

 

So later - when the House of The Lord is reestablished by the Lord [and ONLY by the direct efforts of messiah not just the State itself can do this - and it musn't be through violence] - we note this point:

 

Take with you words, and return unto the LORD; say unto Him: 'Forgive all iniquity, and accept that which is good; so will we render for bullocks the offering of our lips. [Hosea 14.3]

 

One sad part of this is that messsiah's appearance shall be marked with spurious claims by others - that he is the anti-christ/al-dajjal.

 

* http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/fo...ddle-east.html

 

So I wonder if Rabbi Moishe Aryeh Friedman really understands these things and if he doesn't - why not?

 

About five years back - I used to think that the neturei karta were a bonafide group - a good thing - however - as i learned more about their very limited understandings [and other stuff too] I had to come to understand that the neturei karta are extremists too.

 

[Guest guest]

 

 

That "Moische Arye Friedman" is an apostate jew - like president knuckle head is an apostate muslim - just like yer an apostate vaishnava...

 

 

 

Your position is somehow fuzzy. Genuine journalism is to provide evidence from reliable source. Instead you make innocent readers of this forum believe that you yourself is this reliable source. The internet has already this reputation that truth and fraud are very difficult to keep apart in cyberspace. And you surely know that. But still you just state your own opinion and present it as truth, "Moische Arye Friedman is not a Rabbi and an apostate".

Do you consider the readers of this forum as so featherbrained that they accept everything you say, just because you said it? May be this forum is not satisfying the high level of your literacy? Do you feel overqualified for this forum?

 

However, as soon someone posts proven facts, like it was presented at the recent Tehran International Conference, "Review of the Holocaust" that all the fuels/oils for Hitler's 2 million people SS staffel Holocaust army were supplied by Jewish US companies like Standard Oil and IG Farben till the end of WW2 and that in German soil there is just not one drop of crude oil even if you drill 2 miles into earth, you say, this is all lieing and fairy tale.

Could it be that your wishful thinking disposition is stronger than plain reality?

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Your position is somehow fuzzy. Genuine journalism is to provide evidence from reliable source. Instead you make innocent readers of this forum believe that you yourself is this reliable source. The internet has already this reputation that truth and fraud are very difficult to keep apart in cyberspace. And you surely know that. But still you just state your own opinion and present it as truth, "Moische Arye Friedman is not a Rabbi and an apostate".

Do you consider the readers of this forum as so featherbrained that they accept everything you say, just because you said it? May be this forum is not satisfying the high level of your literacy? Do you feel overqualified for this forum?

 

However, as soon someone posts proven facts, like it was presented at the recent Tehran International Conference, "Review of the Holocaust" that all the fuels/oils for Hitler's 2 million people SS staffel Holocaust army were supplied by Jewish US companies like Standard Oil and IG Farben till the end of WW2 and that in German soil there is just not one drop of crude oil even if you drill 2 miles into earth, you say, this is all lieing and fairy tale.

Could it be that your wishful thinking disposition is stronger than plain reality?

No my position is quite clear and - so are those of the two noted apostates - of course - i can see that you have no real position here and - you are a coward - why no name? COWARD!

 

Oh and - "...Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world...There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [israel] from the face of the Islamic world..." [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of iran]

 

Does that mean there is a jihad on me now? What a loathsome loser this knucklehead president is to make such threats...threats that you defend - i wonder - are you yourself president knucklehead - how long before he is here hiding - as a beguiler - behind the guest feature? I see many visits from Iran are noted in the stats page - one has to ask - who are those visitors?

[Guest guest]

 

No my position is quite clear and - so are those of the two noted apostates - of course - i can see that you have no real position here and - you are a coward - why no name? COWARD!

 

As soon you're refuted you start badmouthing. Is this Vaishnava? Why not try to admit defeat?

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As soon you're refuted you start badmouthing. Is this Vaishnava? Why not try to admit defeat?

 

Defeated? Not! Who is bad mouthing? I speak the truth [they are apostates] - it's you who are all too fuzzy here!

 

Why don't you have a name [even a fake one] - that means you've something to hide - right? You must be a 'recreant'.

 

When you defend these creeps [unless you're one of them] does that make you a better Vaishnava - why do you hold up a different standard to measure jews [and their defenders] than you do to measure anyone and everyone else and - most especially the islamists?

[Guest guest]

 

1400 - 1772 - Jews are restricted from Russia.

1414 - Cologne, a town in western Germany, expels its Jews.

1306 - Jews are expelled from France.

England whips and expels some 100,000 Jews who have remained since Edward I’s expulsion order of 1290.

1349 - Jews are expelled from Hungary.

 

According historical chronicle always the same thing happened.

The Jews immigrated a country and immediately started to set up a state within the state by using all the facilities as given by the host country. And gradually all kind of criminal activities began to threaten the host country - originating from that Jewish state within the state.

Only at that point the governments/kingdoms decided to expell the Jews. In fact many countries supported the immigration of foreigners in order to populate their farmland and granting all kind of benefits for those newcomers like abate the rent of farmland. Jews never accepted any sudra work like farming except merchandise trade. There are much more countries like Portugal, Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Italy and Denmark who expelled the Jews and later they came back. They never would intermingle with the non-Jews and kept apart, although it became known that there were many cases of incest. Of course this was some 200-500 years ago and belongs to the history of Middle Ages.

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According historical chronicle always the same thing happened.

The Jews immigrated a country and immediately started to set up a state within the state by using all the facilities as given by the host country. And gradually all kind of criminal activities began to threaten the host country - originating from that Jewish state within the state.

Only at that point the governments/kingdoms decided to expell the Jews. In fact many countries supported the immigration of foreigners in order to populate their farmland and granting all kind of benefits for those newcomers like abate the rent of farmland. Jews never accepted any sudra work like farming except merchandise trade. There are much more countries like Portugal, Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Italy and Denmark who expelled the Jews and later they came back. They never would intermingle with the non-Jews and kept apart, although it became known that there were many cases of incest. Of course this was some 200-500 years ago and belongs to the history of Middle Ages.

 

At least this one created a name for herself [i sense something in this style of writing - are you really "danny"?]...however - it doesn't lend credibility to her nonsense....i wonder - does 'Ellie O’Sullivans' also think that these jews poisoned wells and made motza from the blood of little christian children etc., etc.,...

 

Quote:

 

They never would intermingle with the non-Jews and kept apart

 

Reply:

 

Really? Like they are the first and only group to do that! Even if - could you blame them?

 

Do hare krishna's [in general and as a rule] have much to do with 'outsiders' - with mlecchas?

 

Quote:

 

Jews never accepted any sudra work like farming except merchandise trade.

 

Reply:

 

What bunk!

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Hamas' Unreality Check Has Hamas moderated its views or has the media jumped to conclusions?

 

 

A Reuters interview with Syrian-based Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal has generated some excited headlines implying a softening of Hamas' position regarding recognition of Israel. Needless to say, this was not the case.

Stating a "clear break with previous position", the Times of London headline reads "Hamas leader accepts the 'reality' of Israel", while the Independent says "Hamas softens Israel stance in calls for Palestinian state".

 

Reason for optimism? Not if you follow the news. Only one hour after the full interview was published by Reuters, Hamas government spokesperson Ghazi Hamad told Ha'aretz that Meshaal said, "Israel exists - and that's a fact." However, Hamad maintained that "there was no change in our stance that Hamas does not recognize Israel."

 

Salah Bardawil, head of Hamas's parliamentary faction, told Ha'aretz that after checking with Meshaal, it seems to be that his words were twisted and distorted.

 

"He didn't speak about any recognition of Israel, only a cease-fire with Israel," Bardawil said.

 

The Jerusalem Post also quotes a senior Hamas official in Gaza City who says "acknowledging that Israel exists does not mean recognizing its right to occupy the land of Palestine, which belongs only to the Moslems."

The bottom line - despite the Reuters interview and some resulting media reports, Hamas has not fulfilled the three basic criteria of the international community for lifting financial sanctions on the Palestinian government - recognition of Israel's right to exist, forswearing terrorism, and accepting previous Israeli-Palestinian agreeements.

 

Why does the media rush to portray Hamas as "moderate" despite the organization's own declarations to the contrary?

 

CARTER: ZERO CREDIBILITY

 

At the beginning of December 2006, we drew attention to criticism of former US President Jimmy Carter's book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. Since then, in the face of a huge amount of criticism, Carter has resorted to cheap accusations that Jews and the "Israel Lobby" have been responsible for the negative book reviews and for stifling debate, despite the fact that Carter himself has refused invitations to debate Alan Dershowitz. In addition, many of those book reviews were not written by members of established Jewish or Israeli organizations.

 

Carter has variously been accused of fabrications, distortions of facts and historical revisionism. Professor Kenneth Stein of Emory University severed his 23-year association with the Carter Center in protest saying that the book:

 

is not based on unvarnished analyses; it is replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments.

 

Clinton administration Mideast envoy Dennis Ross writes in the NYTimes:

 

To my mind, Mr. Carter's presentation badly misrepresents the Middle East proposals advanced by President Bill Clinton in 2000, and in so doing undermines, in a small but important way, efforts to bring peace to the region.

 

The credibility of Carter's book continues to fall. For a complete roundup of op-eds and articles on the book, see this detailed overview by our colleagues at CAMERA.

 

BBC BOWEN'S WORLD

A leaked e-mail has been acquired by Times of London columnist Stephen Pollard, written by BBC Middle East Editor Jeremy Bowen to BBC staff. Bowen's slanted analysis and predictions for the year ahead in Israel and the Mideast graphically illustrates what's wrong at the BBC.

According to Bowen:

 

What is new in the last year, and will be one of the big stories in the coming twelve months, is the way that Palestinian society, which used to draw strength from resistance to the occupation, is now fragmenting.

 

The reason is the death of hope, caused by a cocktail of Israel's military activities, land expropriation and settlement building - and the financial sanctions imposed on the Hamas led government which are destroying Palestinian institutions that were anyway flawed and fragile.

 

In typical BBC fashion, Bowen places the blame for Palestinian infighting solely on Israel. Does Palestinian society not bear any responsibility for the situation that it finds itself in? Read the full e-mail at HonestReporting UK.

HonestReporting. com

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According historical chronicle always the same thing happened.

The Jews immigrated a country and immediately started to set up a state within the state by using all the facilities as given by the host country. And gradually all kind of criminal activities began to threaten the host country - originating from that Jewish state within the state.

Only at that point the governments/kingdoms decided to expell the Jews. In fact many countries supported the immigration of foreigners in order to populate their farmland and granting all kind of benefits for those newcomers like abate the rent of farmland. Jews never accepted any sudra work like farming except merchandise trade. There are much more countries like Portugal, Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Italy and Denmark who expelled the Jews and later they came back. They never would intermingle with the non-Jews and kept apart, although it became known that there were many cases of incest. Of course this was some 200-500 years ago and belongs to the history of Middle Ages.

 

Try to convince it to Him if you can...

 

[Guest guest]

 

Hamas' Unreality Check Has Hamas moderated its views or has the media jumped to conclusions?

 

 

Surge And Mirrors -

What Bush Really Said

By Paul Craig Roberts

 

 

 

Bush's "surge" speech is a hoax, but members of Congress and media commentators are discussing the surge as if it were real.

I invite the reader to examine the speech. The "surge" content consists of nonsensical propagandistic statements. The real content of the speech is toward the end where Bush mentions Iran and Syria.

Bush makes it clear that success in Iraq does not depend on the surge. Rather, "Succeeding in Iraq . . . begins with addressing Iran and Syria."

Bush asserts that "these two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops."

Bush's assertions are propagandistic lies.

The Iraq insurgency is Sunni. Iran is Shi'ite. If Iran is supporting anyone in Iraq it is the Shi'ites, who have not been part of the insurgency. Indeed, the Sunni and Shi'ites are engaged in a civil war within Iraq.

Does any intelligent person really believe that Iranian Shi'ites are going to arm Iraqi Sunnis who are killing Iraqi Shi'ites allied with Iran? Does anyone really believe that Iranian Shi'ites are going to provide sanctuary for Iraqi Sunnis?

Bush can tell blatant propagandistic lies, because Congress and the American people don't know enough facts to realize the absurdity of Bush's assertions.

Why is Bush telling these lies? Here is the answer: Bush says, "We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."

In those words, Bush states perfectly clearly that victory in Iraq requires US forces to attack Iran and Syria. Moreover, Bush says, "We are also taking other steps to bolster the security of Iraq and protect American interests in the Middle East. I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region."

What do two US aircraft carrier attack groups in the Persian Gulf have to do with a guerilla ground war in Iraq?

The "surge" is merely a tactic to buy time while war with Iran and Syria can be orchestrated. The neoconservative/Israeli cabal feared that the pressure that Congress, the public, and the American foreign policy establishment were putting on Bush to de-escalate in Iraq would terminate their plan to achieve hegemony in the Middle East.

Failure in Iraq would mean the end of the neoconservatives' influence. It would be impossible to start a new war with Iran after losing the war in Iraq.

The neoconservatives and the right-wing Israeli government have clearly stated their plans to overthrow Muslim governments throughout the region and to deracinate Islam. These plans existed long before 9/11.

Near the end of his "surge" speech, Bush adopts the neoconservative program as US policy. The struggle, Bush says, echoing the neoconservatives and the Israeli right-wing, goes far beyond Iraq. "The challenge," Bush says, is "playing out across the broader Middle East. . . . It is the decisive ideological struggle of our time."

America is pitted against "extremists" who "have declared their intention to destroy our way of life.The most realistic way to protect the American people," Bush says, is "by advancing liberty across a troubled region."

This, of course, is a massive duplicitous lie. We have brought no liberty to Iraq, but we have destroyed their way of life. Bush suggests that Muslims in Afghanistan, Lebanon and Palestine are waiting and hoping for more invasions to free them of violence. Did Bush's invasion free Iraq from violence or did it bring violence to Iraq?

It is extraordinary that anyone can listen to this blatant declaration of US aggression in the Middle East without demanding Bush's immediate impeachment.

Republican US Senator Chuck Hagel declared Bush's plan to be "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam." In truth, it is far worse. It is naked aggression justified by transparent lies. No one has ever heard governments in Iraq, Syria, or Iran declare "their intention to destroy our way of life." To the contrary, it is the United States and Israel that are trying to destroy the Muslim way of life.

The crystal clear truth is that fanatical neoconservatives and Israelis are using Bush to commit the United States to a catastrophic course.

Paul Craig Roberts wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolutin (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He has contributed to numerous scholar journals and testified before Congress on 30 occasions. He has been awarded the U.S. Treasury's Meritorious Service Award and the French Legion of Honor. He was a reviewer for the Journal of Political Economy under editor Robert Mundell. He can be reached at:paulcraigroberts@

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Surge And Mirrors -

What Bush Really Said

By Paul Craig Roberts

 

 

 

Bush's "surge" speech is a hoax, but members of Congress and media commentators are discussing the surge as if it were real.

I invite the reader to examine the speech. The "surge" content consists of nonsensical propagandistic statements. The real content of the speech is toward the end where Bush mentions Iran and Syria.

Bush makes it clear that success in Iraq does not depend on the surge. Rather, "Succeeding in Iraq . . . begins with addressing Iran and Syria."

Bush asserts that "these two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops."

Bush's assertions are propagandistic lies.

The Iraq insurgency is Sunni. Iran is Shi'ite. If Iran is supporting anyone in Iraq it is the Shi'ites, who have not been part of the insurgency. Indeed, the Sunni and Shi'ites are engaged in a civil war within Iraq.

Does any intelligent person really believe that Iranian Shi'ites are going to arm Iraqi Sunnis who are killing Iraqi Shi'ites allied with Iran? Does anyone really believe that Iranian Shi'ites are going to provide sanctuary for Iraqi Sunnis?

Bush can tell blatant propagandistic lies, because Congress and the American people don't know enough facts to realize the absurdity of Bush's assertions.

Why is Bush telling these lies? Here is the answer: Bush says, "We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."

In those words, Bush states perfectly clearly that victory in Iraq requires US forces to attack Iran and Syria. Moreover, Bush says, "We are also taking other steps to bolster the security of Iraq and protect American interests in the Middle East. I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region."

What do two US aircraft carrier attack groups in the Persian Gulf have to do with a guerilla ground war in Iraq?

The "surge" is merely a tactic to buy time while war with Iran and Syria can be orchestrated. The neoconservative/Israeli cabal feared that the pressure that Congress, the public, and the American foreign policy establishment were putting on Bush to de-escalate in Iraq would terminate their plan to achieve hegemony in the Middle East.

Failure in Iraq would mean the end of the neoconservatives' influence. It would be impossible to start a new war with Iran after losing the war in Iraq.

The neoconservatives and the right-wing Israeli government have clearly stated their plans to overthrow Muslim governments throughout the region and to deracinate Islam. These plans existed long before 9/11.

Near the end of his "surge" speech, Bush adopts the neoconservative program as US policy. The struggle, Bush says, echoing the neoconservatives and the Israeli right-wing, goes far beyond Iraq. "The challenge," Bush says, is "playing out across the broader Middle East. . . . It is the decisive ideological struggle of our time."

America is pitted against "extremists" who "have declared their intention to destroy our way of life.The most realistic way to protect the American people," Bush says, is "by advancing liberty across a troubled region."

This, of course, is a massive duplicitous lie. We have brought no liberty to Iraq, but we have destroyed their way of life. Bush suggests that Muslims in Afghanistan, Lebanon and Palestine are waiting and hoping for more invasions to free them of violence. Did Bush's invasion free Iraq from violence or did it bring violence to Iraq?

It is extraordinary that anyone can listen to this blatant declaration of US aggression in the Middle East without demanding Bush's immediate impeachment.

Republican US Senator Chuck Hagel declared Bush's plan to be "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam." In truth, it is far worse. It is naked aggression justified by transparent lies. No one has ever heard governments in Iraq, Syria, or Iran declare "their intention to destroy our way of life." To the contrary, it is the United States and Israel that are trying to destroy the Muslim way of life.

The crystal clear truth is that fanatical neoconservatives and Israelis are using Bush to commit the United States to a catastrophic course.

Paul Craig Roberts wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolutin (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He has contributed to numerous scholar journals and testified before Congress on 30 occasions. He has been awarded the U.S. Treasury's Meritorious Service Award and the French Legion of Honor. He was a reviewer for the Journal of Political Economy under editor Robert Mundell. He can be reached at:paulcraigroberts@

 

Well too bad [what Bush said] - it's true - all of it.

 

Without a doubt - Iran and Syria are central to the impasse in the middle east - don't deflect what are clear words from the president of Iran [and hamas] - with some humbug interpretation of what George Bush said - besides - this thread and this discussion has not been about Iraq - so - this copy-n-paste is out of context here.

 

The exact quote you paste [from my posting] is about hamas - what does Mr. Bush and Iraq have to do with what hamas says about their position with Israel?