Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2006 Jai Gurudev. Chandarji: I am overjoyed to learn that Gurudev's books are being translated. Thats great news thanks for the information. I would like to learn more about Gurudev’s life story, so if there is a translated book or one in process please direct me. Raj ji: I think there may be some confusion...i am not involved in running any webcontent for some hindu organisations or temples in the UK. I dont know where you got this from. I do go to Sai Baba’s bhajans now and then, but tantra and yantra is not part of their set up…they stress more on service. Besides, I cannot see how a PDF MTY magazine will 'tempt' me to 'exploit' material from Gurudham. If that was my intention, I would have done that years ago from the magazine alone! Please don’t judge my motives or intentions…that’s Gurudev’s job. My intention is to grow spiritually as an individual. UJ9VY: My devotion to the Lord is not for you to judge. Learning Hindi will not make me a true devotee. We live in the 21st century and a portion of Guru Seva is is to help others. If it is through the means of technology than so be it. Its not fair for you to just tell someone to 'learn hindi if you are a true devotee'(even though I have been learning to read it by the way). Its like telling a poor fellow to 'go and get some food if you are hungry' when our jobs as shisyas is actually to provide some solution for those who need it. MTY mag is already published in English…the Siddhashram website with all the mantras and shlokas is in English (which was the medium by which Gurudev drew myself to Him in this life). If the intention of the organisation is to grow and spread the message of Gurudev then some adaptation to change would be helpful. Bhupendraji: I totally agree with you. Its all a matter of preference – something I have said from the beginning. So can we now please put an end to this waste of a time of a discussion which is now on the verge of turning into an argument! If anyone else has any final words, i prefer if they come to me personally rather than publicly on this board. Any new-comers who read these messages maybe put off this organisation when they see a Gurubhai telling another to learn hindi to prove their devotion. This would be a dent on Gurudham's image - something which we need to consider preventing everytime we speak or write publically. AUM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI Raj Nikhil <raj414 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Saturday, 16 December, 2006 5:44:28 AM Re: Receive MTY Mag ONLINE Jai Gurudev ! Dear Vivek bhai, We are all simply shishya's and our intention is to be always conscious and alert that our actions and thoughts are focused on performing sewa towards Poojya Sada Gurudev ji, Guru Parivar and Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar.. As a shishya we should always keep examining our motives and intentions whenever we think of doing such sewa with blessings of Poojya Sada Gurudev ji. I am aware that you are involved in running, designing, providing web-content to websites of hindu temples and other religious organisations based at U.K. Are you sure that you won't be tempted to utilize the content provided through soft-copies of MTYV for your personal gains in your profession? Others may be similarly tempted to exploit such material without explicit permission from Guru Parivar. I am only pointing out to the scope of possible misuse by unscrupulous elements. I will be glad if such possibilities are made clear when you and others contact Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar about your .pdf and translation projects. As shishya's, it is a part of our duty towards our Poojya Sada Gurudev to be extra careful whenever we involve ourselves in Guru Sewa. Please take these thoughts as general observations and not personal remarks. I am sure that you have the most noble intentions of spreading the message of Poojya Sada Gurudev ji and Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar. Warm regards, Jai Gurudev! Raj Nikhil ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Mega Fare sale on domestic airlines. Call 1-800-11-8747 now! http://india. makemytrip. com/?Camp= MSN&attrib= Dec/Tag/Mega _________ All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2006 Let me clarify my point. My point about true devotee that I had used was with context with Tantra Sadhna. When you read the text in its original context, it is almost impossible to relay this in translation. So my point is that if the scriptures were originally written in Sanskrit then even Hindi won't do its justification. Something that lacks in you is besides unable to read Hindi is your humbleness and respect for others. V C <siddhiwala1997 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Jai Gurudev. Chandarji: I am overjoyed to learn that Gurudev's books are being translated. Thats great news thanks for the information. I would like to learn more about Gurudev’s life story, so if there is a translated book or one in process please direct me. Raj ji: I think there may be some confusion...i am not involved in running any webcontent for some hindu organisations or temples in the UK. I dont know where you got this from. I do go to Sai Baba’s bhajans now and then, but tantra and yantra is not part of their set up…they stress more on service. Besides, I cannot see how a PDF MTY magazine will 'tempt' me to 'exploit' material from Gurudham. If that was my intention, I would have done that years ago from the magazine alone! Please don’t judge my motives or intentions…that’s Gurudev’s job. My intention is to grow spiritually as an individual. UJ9VY: My devotion to the Lord is not for you to judge. Learning Hindi will not make me a true devotee. We live in the 21st century and a portion of Guru Seva is is to help others. If it is through the means of technology than so be it. Its not fair for you to just tell someone to 'learn hindi if you are a true devotee'(even though I have been learning to read it by the way). Its like telling a poor fellow to 'go and get some food if you are hungry' when our jobs as shisyas is actually to provide some solution for those who need it. MTY mag is already published in English…the Siddhashram website with all the mantras and shlokas is in English (which was the medium by which Gurudev drew myself to Him in this life). If the intention of the organisation is to grow and spread the message of Gurudev then some adaptation to change would be helpful. Bhupendraji: I totally agree with you. Its all a matter of preference – something I have said from the beginning. So can we now please put an end to this waste of a time of a discussion which is now on the verge of turning into an argument! If anyone else has any final words, i prefer if they come to me personally rather than publicly on this board. Any new-comers who read these messages maybe put off this organisation when they see a Gurubhai telling another to learn hindi to prove their devotion. This would be a dent on Gurudham's image - something which we need to consider preventing everytime we speak or write publically. AUM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI Raj Nikhil <raj414 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Saturday, 16 December, 2006 5:44:28 AM Re: Receive MTY Mag ONLINE Jai Gurudev ! Dear Vivek bhai, We are all simply shishya's and our intention is to be always conscious and alert that our actions and thoughts are focused on performing sewa towards Poojya Sada Gurudev ji, Guru Parivar and Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar. As a shishya we should always keep examining our motives and intentions whenever we think of doing such sewa with blessings of Poojya Sada Gurudev ji. I am aware that you are involved in running, designing, providing web-content to websites of hindu temples and other religious organisations based at U.K. Are you sure that you won't be tempted to utilize the content provided through soft-copies of MTYV for your personal gains in your profession? Others may be similarly tempted to exploit such material without explicit permission from Guru Parivar. I am only pointing out to the scope of possible misuse by unscrupulous elements. I will be glad if such possibilities are made clear when you and others contact Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar about your .pdf and translation projects. As shishya's, it is a part of our duty towards our Poojya Sada Gurudev to be extra careful whenever we involve ourselves in Guru Sewa. Please take these thoughts as general observations and not personal remarks. I am sure that you have the most noble intentions of spreading the message of Poojya Sada Gurudev ji and Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar. Warm regards, Jai Gurudev! Raj Nikhil ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Mega Fare sale on domestic airlines. Call 1-800-11-8747 now! http://india. makemytrip. com/?Camp= MSN&attrib= Dec/Tag/Mega All new Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine Try the all-new Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 Jai Gurudev! Hello! I beg your pardon Mr. Raj. How can you malign another gurubhai Vivek's name with regards to pdf version of magazine being misused? Do you know him? Do you know his work? Merely on somone's words you are maligning your own family member's name own brother's name. Remeber our bonds are mighter than blood. I know Vivek since long and he is not associated with any such thing that you have mentioned in your mail. I am wondering who is this jaichand spreading all these things here in the forum. Right to expression as humans we all have, and pdf chapter is long closed after Gurubhai Ajay gave his final views vis a vis Gurudham. Once again I request all gurubhais to show respect and not to use words or language that hurts others. As a shishya it is also our duty to see others with compassion and love and not suspicion in mind. Remember in every deciple's heart Gurudev resides. By accusing another brother without any basis, hurts us all and hurts Gurudev. Vande Nikhilam! somy --- uj9vy uj9vy <uj9vy1 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > Let me clarify my point. My point about true devotee > that I had used was with context with Tantra Sadhna. > > When you read the text in its original context, it > is almost impossible to relay this in translation. > So my point is that if the scriptures were > originally written in Sanskrit then even Hindi won't > do its justification. > Something that lacks in you is besides unable to > read Hindi is your humbleness and respect for > others. > > > V C <siddhiwala1997 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > Jai Gurudev. > > Chandarji: I am overjoyed to learn that Gurudev's > books are being translated. Thats great news thanks > for the information. I would like to learn more > about Gurudev’s life story, so if there is a > translated book or one in process please direct me. > > Raj ji: I think there may be some confusion...i am > not involved in running any webcontent for some > hindu organisations or temples in the UK. I dont > know where you got this from. I do go to Sai Baba’s > bhajans now and then, but tantra and yantra is not > part of their set up…they stress more on service. > Besides, I cannot see how a PDF MTY magazine will > 'tempt' me to 'exploit' material from Gurudham. If > that was my intention, I would have done that years > ago from the magazine alone! Please don’t judge my > motives or intentions…that’s Gurudev’s job. My > intention is to grow spiritually as an individual. > > UJ9VY: My devotion to the Lord is not for you to > judge. Learning Hindi will not make me a true > devotee. We live in the 21st century and a portion > of Guru Seva is is to help others. If it is through > the means of technology than so be it. Its not fair > for you to just tell someone to 'learn hindi if you > are a true devotee'(even though I have been learning > to read it by the way). Its like telling a poor > fellow to 'go and get some food if you are hungry' > when our jobs as shisyas is actually to provide some > solution for those who need it. MTY mag is already > published in English…the Siddhashram website with > all the mantras and shlokas is in English (which was > the medium by which Gurudev drew myself to Him in > this life). If the intention of the organisation is > to grow and spread the message of Gurudev then some > adaptation to change would be helpful. > > Bhupendraji: I totally agree with you. Its all a > matter of preference – something I have said from > the beginning. So can we now please put an end to > this waste of a time of a discussion which is now on > the verge of turning into an argument! If anyone > else has any final words, i prefer if they come to > me personally rather than publicly on this board. > Any new-comers who read these messages maybe put off > this organisation when they see a Gurubhai telling > another to learn hindi to prove their devotion. This > would be a dent on Gurudham's image - something > which we need to consider preventing everytime we > speak or write publically. > > AUM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI > > > > > Raj Nikhil <raj414 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > Saturday, 16 December, 2006 5:44:28 AM > Re: Receive MTY Mag ONLINE > > Jai Gurudev ! > > Dear Vivek bhai, > > We are all simply shishya's and our intention is to > be always conscious > and alert that our actions and thoughts are focused > on performing sewa > towards Poojya Sada Gurudev ji, Guru Parivar and > Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar. > > As a shishya we should always keep examining our > motives and intentions > whenever we think of doing such sewa with blessings > of Poojya Sada Gurudev > ji. > > I am aware that you are involved in running, > designing, providing > web-content to websites of hindu temples and other > religious organisations > based at U.K. Are you sure that you won't be tempted > to utilize the content > provided through soft-copies of MTYV for your > personal gains in your > profession? > > Others may be similarly tempted to exploit such > material without > explicit permission from Guru Parivar. > > I am only pointing out to the scope of possible > misuse by unscrupulous > elements. I will be glad if such possibilities are > made clear when you and > others contact Siddhashram Sadhak Parivar about your > .pdf and translation > projects. As shishya's, it is a part of our duty > towards our Poojya Sada > Gurudev to be extra careful whenever we involve > ourselves in Guru Sewa. > > Please take these thoughts as general observations > and not personal > remarks. I am sure that you have the most noble > intentions of spreading the > message of Poojya Sada Gurudev ji and Siddhashram > Sadhak Parivar. > > Warm regards, > > Jai Gurudev! > > Raj Nikhil > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > Mega Fare sale on domestic airlines. Call > 1-800-11-8747 now! > http://india. makemytrip. com/?Camp= MSN&attrib= > Dec/Tag/Mega > > > > > > > > > > > All new Mail "The new Interface is stunning > in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine > > > > > > Try the all-new Mail . 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