Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Shri Chandrasekharji, It seems You are taking things and matters too far. If I can have a heart of gold at times,it can turn into cold stone too. When I have asked you about 2-3 times for forgiveness for any offence caused to You, though it should not have been done on my part, strictly speaking, and also I have talked about your goodness, I am unable too understand what type of communication you still require from Me. I remember a story of two monks trying to cross a river and a prostitute also wanting to do the same, but not able to because of her physical tenderness. One of the two Monks takes her on his shoulders and leaves her on the other shore. The other Monk did not like this deed of help from his brother shishya, and reprimands him for the same. The other Monk replies, that "I have forgotten her, but you are still carrying her mentally in Your insides, Then who is the sinner . You or Me ?" So Sir, what more do You require ? Theres no question of censorship. If You demand a answer to a Query then its but natural for the person who is demanded this, should demand a proper enquiry from You, which is specfic and not confused. You are demanding the answer through several posts of yours which are innumerable, and we have no right to ask you to be more specific ? What type os justice is this ? You have not lost any face so why this excerise of face saving and skin saving ? Inderjeet and the others know too well as I pointed out to You, to whom the Queries were addressed . As long as You get the answers from anyone, it should not be a matter of contemplation as to this and that ? Or should it be ? Forget this Sir and move on to more greener pastures. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I think it is better if we do not demand how a query is to be framed > when asked to an expert, as long as it is within the boundaries of > decency. defining a precise way in which an astrological query is framed > would be tantamount to censorship. > > I have already said why I replied to Inderjeet, to keep record straight. > I hope nobody has any objection in that regard. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > I believe all the Members who are active here, are aware to whom the > > Queries were put. As I mentioned on a couple of times, if the Query > > is put in the right manner it is understood and one can enjoy > > replying to it. But if the query is in itself confusing then > > one does not have the push to answer it. > > If I ask you will Ketu placed after the atmakarak give me > > Moksha ? This may be confusing but less confusing then what > > was put up . > > But if I ask the same question as Does the Karakamsha in the > > Navamsha if has Ketu in the 12th from it, produce kaivalya ? > > Then this would sound more of a right query. > > > > Things can be taken further to near perfection. But if by > > doing so, they create problems between members of a family, > > its better to not take them further and leave them on the > > way,for each to percieve on his own. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He > > did > > > not I did. > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were > > asked > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > > cryptic > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava > > chalit > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my > > mail. > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > Taurus and > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all > > its glory? > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you > > will > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > > variation on > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent > > on Bhava > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in > > it , > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from > > the > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > > classic if > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be > > of any. > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > fructify in > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > majority of > > > > cases. > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > lagna is > > > > at the > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition > > of > > > > rasis in > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when it > > > > rises > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will > > you > > > > give to > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > > could > > > > you give > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if > > it > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 This has been explained too many times and still if one does not understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal House, Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for further enquiry ? In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I hope this is not the case here. There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of ruminations. Sorry Sir. Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Inderjeet, > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree and > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of bhava > lordships. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder jit sahni > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > <% 40> > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. He did > > not I did. > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were asked > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So cryptic > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava chalit > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my mail. > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > Taurus and > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > Aquarius. Do > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all its > > glory? > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If you will > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 variation on > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent on Bhava > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in it , > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are from the > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any classic if > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it be of any. > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > fructify in > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > majority of > > > cases. > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the lagna is > > > at the > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your definition of > > > rasis in > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and when it > > > rises > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship will you > > > give to > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like could > > > you give > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars if it > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, On retrospection I must add that my last two mails were strictly with respect to astrological arguments, and nothing to do personally. I still mantain the respect and affections due to You, so do not take otehrwise. regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal House, > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for > further enquiry ? > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I > hope this is not the case here. > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > ruminations. > Sorry Sir. > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree > and > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of > bhava > > lordships. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that. > > > With Best wishes, > > > Inder jit sahni > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <% > 40> > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. > He did > > > not I did. > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were > asked > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > cryptic > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava > chalit > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my > mail. > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > > Taurus and > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all > its > > > glory? > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If > you will > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > variation on > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent > on Bhava > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in > it , > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > from the > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > classic if > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it > be of any. > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > fructify in > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > majority of > > > > cases. > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > lagna is > > > > at the > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > when it > > > > rises > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will you > > > > give to > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > could > > > > you give > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars > if it > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, I would prefer Inderjeet to answer that one. As to kindergarten, when you open one, please admit me. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal House, > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for > further enquiry ? > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I > hope this is not the case here. > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > ruminations. > Sorry Sir. > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree > and > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of > bhava > > lordships. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that. > > > With Best wishes, > > > Inder jit sahni > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> <% > 40> > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. > He did > > > not I did. > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were > asked > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > cryptic > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava > chalit > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my > mail. > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > > Taurus and > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all > its > > > glory? > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If > you will > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > variation on > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent > on Bhava > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in > it , > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > from the > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > classic if > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it > be of any. > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > fructify in > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > majority of > > > > cases. > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > lagna is > > > > at the > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > when it > > > > rises > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will you > > > > give to > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > could > > > > you give > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars > if it > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Sir, Kyon bacche ki taang kheechte ho ? Mujhe baksh do. Maaf karo sahab. Main abhi bacchha hoon magar man ka sachha hoon. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I would prefer Inderjeet to answer that one. As to kindergarten, when > you open one, please admit me. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal House, > > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for > > further enquiry ? > > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I > > hope this is not the case here. > > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > > ruminations. > > Sorry Sir. > > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the > > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree > > and > > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of > > bhava > > > lordships. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder jit sahni > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> <% > > 40> > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. > > He did > > > > not I did. > > > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were > > asked > > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > > cryptic > > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava > > chalit > > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my > > mail. > > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > > > Taurus and > > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all > > its > > > > glory? > > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If > > you will > > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > > variation on > > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent > > on Bhava > > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in > > it , > > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > > from the > > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > > classic if > > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it > > be of any. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > > fructify in > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > > majority of > > > > > cases. > > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > lagna is > > > > > at the > > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > > definition of > > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when it > > > > > rises > > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > will you > > > > > give to > > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > > could > > > > > you give > > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars > > if it > > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Chandershekhar Ji, You had been replied twice , if you did not understand as yet , then I am sorry . 1st raed the Bhava system apply that and then please discuss. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni - Chandrashekhar Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:27 AM Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts Dear Bhaskar, I would prefer Inderjeet to answer that one. As to kindergarten, when you open one, please admit me. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal House, > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for > further enquiry ? > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I > hope this is not the case here. > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > ruminations. > Sorry Sir. > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree > and > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of > bhava > > lordships. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that. > > > With Best wishes, > > > Inder jit sahni > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> <% > 40> > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. > He did > > > not I did. > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were > asked > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > cryptic > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava > chalit > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my > mail. > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > > Taurus and > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all > its > > > glory? > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If > you will > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > variation on > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent > on Bhava > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in > it , > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > from the > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > classic if > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it > be of any. > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > fructify in > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > majority of > > > > cases. > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > lagna is > > > > at the > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > definition of > > > > rasis in > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > when it > > > > rises > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > will you > > > > give to > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > could > > > > you give > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars > if it > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, That is all right. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > On retrospection I must add that my last two mails were strictly with > respect to astrological arguments, and nothing to do personally. > I still mantain the respect and affections due to You, so do not take > otehrwise. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal > House, > > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for > > further enquiry ? > > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I > > hope this is not the case here. > > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > > ruminations. > > Sorry Sir. > > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in > the > > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree > > and > > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment > of > > bhava > > > lordships. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss > that. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder jit sahni > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> <% > > 40> > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. > > He did > > > > not I did. > > > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They > were > > asked > > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > > cryptic > > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever > Bhava > > chalit > > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check > my > > mail. > > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury > in > > > > Taurus and > > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna > being > > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in > all > > its > > > > glory? > > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If > > you will > > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > > variation on > > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes > eloquent > > on Bhava > > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth > in > > it , > > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > > from the > > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > > classic if > > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it > > be of any. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in > fact > > > > > fructify in > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation > in > > > > majority of > > > > > cases. > > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > lagna is > > > > > at the > > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > > definition of > > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries > and > > when it > > > > > rises > > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > will you > > > > > give to > > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > > could > > > > > you give > > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each > rasi? > > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars > > if it > > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the > Bhava > > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Inderjeet, I did not see the bhavas boundaries indicating degrees and rasis defined so far, in any mail. However if you say that has already been done, then perhaps the deficiency is on my part. Chandrashekhar. Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > You had been replied twice , if you did not understand as yet , then I > am sorry . > 1st raed the Bhava system apply that and then please discuss. > With Best wishes, > Inder Jit Sahni > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:27 AM > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I would prefer Inderjeet to answer that one. As to kindergarten, when > you open one, please admit me. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal House, > > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need for > > further enquiry ? > > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. I > > hope this is not the case here. > > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > > ruminations. > > Sorry Sir. > > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in the > > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 degree > > and > > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment of > > bhava > > > lordships. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss that. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder jit sahni > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> <% > > 40> > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those questions. > > He did > > > > not I did. > > > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They were > > asked > > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > > cryptic > > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever Bhava > > chalit > > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check my > > mail. > > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury in > > > > Taurus and > > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna being > > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in all > > its > > > > glory? > > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima part.If > > you will > > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > > variation on > > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes eloquent > > on Bhava > > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth in > > it , > > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other classic? > > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > > from the > > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > > classic if > > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let it > > be of any. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in fact > > > > > fructify in > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation in > > > > majority of > > > > > cases. > > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > lagna is > > > > > at the > > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > > definition of > > > > > rasis in > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries and > > when it > > > > > rises > > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > will you > > > > > give to > > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you like > > could > > > > > you give > > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each rasi? > > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same mars > > if it > > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the Bhava > > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Okay, no more mails on this subject, from my side. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Sir, > > Kyon bacche ki taang kheechte ho ? Mujhe baksh do. Maaf karo sahab. > Main abhi bacchha hoon magar man ka sachha hoon. > > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > I would prefer Inderjeet to answer that one. As to kindergarten, > when > > you open one, please admit me. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > > > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > > > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal > House, > > > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need > for > > > further enquiry ? > > > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > > > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. > I > > > hope this is not the case here. > > > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > > > ruminations. > > > Sorry Sir. > > > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > > > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in > the > > > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 > degree > > > and > > > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment > of > > > bhava > > > > lordships. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss > that. > > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > > Inder jit sahni > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> <% > > > 40> > > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those > questions. > > > He did > > > > > not I did. > > > > > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They > were > > > asked > > > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > > > cryptic > > > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever > Bhava > > > chalit > > > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check > my > > > mail. > > > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury > in > > > > > Taurus and > > > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna > being > > > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in > all > > > its > > > > > glory? > > > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima > part.If > > > you will > > > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > > > variation on > > > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes > eloquent > > > on Bhava > > > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth > in > > > it , > > > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other > classic? > > > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > > > from the > > > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > > > classic if > > > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let > it > > > be of any. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in > fact > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation > in > > > > > majority of > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > > lagna is > > > > > > at the > > > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > > > definition of > > > > > > rasis in > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries > and > > > when it > > > > > > rises > > > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > > will you > > > > > > give to > > > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you > like > > > could > > > > > > you give > > > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each > rasi? > > > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same > mars > > > if it > > > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the > Bhava > > > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, Thanks Sir. Once again no offence and pl.forget the past utterances,to that of a younger brother. Yours, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > Okay, no more mails on this subject, from my side. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Kyon bacche ki taang kheechte ho ? Mujhe baksh do. Maaf karo sahab. > > Main abhi bacchha hoon magar man ka sachha hoon. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > I would prefer Inderjeet to answer that one. As to kindergarten, > > when > > > you open one, please admit me. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > This has been explained too many times and still if one does not > > > > understand then what to do? Should we open a kindergarten school ? > > > > There are so many systems, and if You read the basics of Equal > > House, > > > > Shripathy, and Placidus , if not others, there would be no need > > for > > > > further enquiry ? > > > > In the evenings normally people carry on matters in an inebriated > > > > state when they have more of energy coming in through the toxics. > > I > > > > hope this is not the case here. > > > > There would be no digestion of any matter, with this type of > > > > ruminations. > > > > Sorry Sir. > > > > Extremely disillusioned with the approach seen. > > > > Become more sober and normal, and then we can talk sensible. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > I prefer you explain the one you use. I would be interested in > > the > > > > > boundaries of bhavas in degrees and rasis for early like 1 > > degree > > > > and > > > > > late degrees like 29 degrees for any lagna rising and allotment > > of > > > > bhava > > > > > lordships. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > > > > > > Which bhava system you had used in your life, I will discuss > > that. > > > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > > > Inder jit sahni > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> <% > > > > 40> > > > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 11:55 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inderjeet, > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems you are thinking that ramapriya asked those > > questions. > > > > He did > > > > > > not I did. > > > > > > > > > > > > The questions were not addressed to you but to Bhaskar. They > > were > > > > asked > > > > > > in connection with different mails not not a single thread. So > > > > cryptic > > > > > > answers do not serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > About the bhava lordships give them according to what ever > > Bhava > > > > chalit > > > > > > system you are using, if at all you want to take this further. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rampriya, > > > > > > > 1. Did I say mutually sevenths (Sun and Merc)? Please check > > my > > > > mail. > > > > > > > They can be in Division charts only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. If Moon is occupying Scorpio and Venus in Aries, Mercury > > in > > > > > > Taurus and > > > > > > > Jupiter in Gemini with Sun also in, say, Gemini and Lagna > > being > > > > > > > Aquarius. Do > > > > > > > you think the results of Chandraadhi yoga will fructify in > > all > > > > its > > > > > > glory? > > > > > > > In a way I had answered this see my maxima and minima > > part.If > > > > you will > > > > > > > apply Bhava now to this Rashi , you may get more than 100 > > > > variation on > > > > > > > this simple Rashi placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Could you quote any classic of astrology that waxes > > eloquent > > > > on Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit, as you call it? > > > > > > > Can you quote any astrological classic which had 100% truth > > in > > > > it , > > > > > > > apply the results given in Prashar Hora or any other > > classic? > > > > > > > Yes Sarwarath Chintamani talk about this.But my writings are > > > > from the > > > > > > > application and not from classics. I do not beleave in any > > > > classic if > > > > > > > it does not pass the test of application in your life. Let > > it > > > > be of any. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Have you checked whether the yogas you mentioned did in > > fact > > > > > > > fructify in > > > > > > > Bhava chalit? I would be surprised if they did in isolation > > in > > > > > > majority of > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > Yes they do or they do not; reread my mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. I (only) wonder how bhava lordships are allotted when the > > > > lagna is > > > > > > > at the > > > > > > > beginning or end of a rasi? I would like to know your > > > > definition of > > > > > > > rasis in > > > > > > > different bhavas when say the lagna rises at 1degree Aries > > and > > > > when it > > > > > > > rises > > > > > > > at 30 degrees Aries. To make it even simpler what lord ship > > > > will you > > > > > > > give to > > > > > > > say, Guru in both cases. To make it even simpler, if you > > like > > > > could > > > > > > > you give > > > > > > > me the beginning and ending degrees of each bhava in each > > rasi? > > > > > > > It had since been explained, the Bhava lord will be same > > mars > > > > if it > > > > > > > rises at 1 degree or 30 degree. > > > > > > > There are 14 types to which you want the explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Which box of Alphonso mangoes? > > > > > > > Only that which is with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before questioning further 1st read the basics of all the > > Bhava > > > > > > > systems, then put your questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > Inder Jit sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Indrjit ji You may have exprimented with all these and will be having lots of experience. Respecting your views,can we say vargas of planets can take care of position of lagna/planets within a rashi. In your mail i have seen village astrologer referring to ansha of planet for degrees.In common paralance too for decimal places we use amsha based on the base. Though a planet is in simha rashi,its specific degrees will relate it to many rashis and planets through varga sambandha.Ofcourse vargas were misiniterpreted during recent years. For example experienced astrologers can understand a lot by looking at navamsha of planets w.r to amsha of lagna,without seeing degrees and on to which bhava,they have influence. Your views may be appreciated. Respect Pradeep , "Inder Jit Sahni" <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > There are many House systems followed by the Astrologers all around the world, > the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers follow Placidus house > system > with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric , the total No,s are 14 which > are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means full sign full house > advocated by many Vedic astrologers. > Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western thought , because there was > none but only mid point house system which was in Olden Indian days , I may be > wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am writing on the basis of my > memory. > No astrologer can explain the practical viability of all the House System , it > is at individual mind that how one look at the system and how he can adopt the > best. > The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a manifestation of Supreme Lord > when looked upon through different signs, it is like a sum up of many forces > acting united for a single sign. When we read through the degree, then we are > reading through the different manifestation at a particular time of the supreme > lord. > The God manifest himself through three Gunas and through five elements. The > Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to Tamoguna , Satoguna is for > the Deva to take birth , so we are left with Rajoguna when getting life at a > particular time fixed for every particular place. > These are the houses which predominately shows the Gunas , as all the Kendra's > are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses. > The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a manifestation of Supreme Lord > projection at a given time then through ascendant degree and house system one > tries to find out that what exactly has been gathered by an individual > manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of collection of forces from > rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular bucket which is Bhava Chart.The > different type of House systems can be described as an effort by different > thought for copy of the real universe. > So for assessment of a particular individual it is Bhava chart/Bucket which will > modify the results , but to the maxima and minma shown by the Rashi Chart as had > been received by an individual in his Bhava . > Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional Charts , Divisional charts are > assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all the reasons that why one is > born and other planets supporting these issues. > But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that how some forces had shifted > or had focused at one house. > Different astrologers using different system may speak about only what they had > practiced throughout in their life, like I can write about KP, Vedic, Placidus > Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it will be foolishness of those > who write against or in favor to which they had not tested. > The confusion of many astrologers including of KP are when two signs occupy same > bhava , some start even combining planets in different signs like in the same > sign when they shift to one house. > I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in rashi shifted to 6th in > Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant of previous sign in the > sixth. > This is not correct. > Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th in cusp. The sign of Moon > will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra in 7th is affected by the > Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual pleasures, but with Libra > shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the desire to sensual pleasures > flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house will take over to moon , it > will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give service or will cause such > other effects in its Dasha periods. > Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his own sign say Sagittarius > shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a Vedic to cause loss of health. > Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter causing health loss only.. > Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of 12th house only ; that is > one should be cautious to routine and system then only he will remain healthy, > or this will provide health through local herbs , for an Indian through Yoga and > through Vedic medicines and for a western through his own local system. > The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in Astrology , to add another > 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20% is on your intuitive > faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you are left with 40% astrology > and 60% intuitions. > With Best Wishes, > Er. Inder Jit Sahni, > House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1, > Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360 > hanskpvedic > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 DearPardeep, <You may have exprimented with all these and will be having lots of experience. Respecting your views,can we say vargas of planets can take care of position of lagna/planets within a rashi.> Varga are different things shows seeds related to a particular ascendent point and can be realated to lagna/planets within a rashi, if I understand your question correctly. A planet in any rashi/bhava can be in lagna varga. <In your mail i have seen village astrologer referring to ansha of planet for degrees.In common paralance too for decimal places we use amsha based on the base.> This is again different with my example a planet ansha will not go more than one house and some time two houses for near polar situation , again not comparable with Division. <Though a planet is in simha rashi,its specific degrees will relate it to many rashis and planets through varga sambandha.Ofcourse vargas were misiniterpreted during recent years.> Your statement shows that you had not understood Bhava Charts as yet. <For example experienced astrologers can understand a lot by looking at navamsha of planets w.r to amsha of lagna,without seeing degrees and on to which bhava,they have influence.> Yes to look at the fruit one must have have knowledge of seed and ground in which it is going to take birth. The Division and Rashi chart are like Seeds and Bhva is like ground to show that the seed will grow or not. A last word to differentiate ;a man can do without Bhava , because he had all the source which are likely to give fruits, Division charts give the precisions in the strength of these seeds and Bhava shows the seeds will actualy getting the gronds /births or not. So the KP astrologers not considering the Division and Rashi are at loss to look at the potential/seeds in a chart and those not doing Bhava are at loss to see the growth of the seeds in the chart if all will be there or not. With Best Wishes, Inder Jit Sahni , "Inder Jit Sahni" <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > There are many House systems followed by the Astrologers all around the world, > the Indian system is of Sripati bhawa , KP followers follow Placidus house > system > with a few like me who had shifted to Topocentric , the total No,s are 14 which > are preferred including Sripati and null. Null means full sign full house > advocated by many Vedic astrologers. > Some are of the view that even Sripati is a western thought , because there was > none but only mid point house system which was in Olden Indian days , I may be > wrong because I am not refering to any book but I am writing on the basis of my > memory. > No astrologer can explain the practical viability of all the House System , it > is at individual mind that how one look at the system and how he can adopt the > best. > The Rashi chart or Null house system is like a manifestation of Supreme Lord > when looked upon through different signs, it is like a sum up of many forces > acting united for a single sign. When we read through the degree, then we are > reading through the different manifestation at a particular time of the supreme > lord. > The God manifest himself through three Gunas and through five elements. The > Human births are due to Rajoguna , others are due to Tamoguna , Satoguna is for > the Deva to take birth , so we are left with Rajoguna when getting life at a > particular time fixed for every particular place. > These are the houses which predominately shows the Gunas , as all the Kendra's > are Rajo Guna , 2-5-8-11 are Tamoguna houses and 3-6-9-12 are Satoguna houses. > The Rashis Chart and planetary degrees if are a manifestation of Supreme Lord > projection at a given time then through ascendant degree and house system one > tries to find out that what exactly has been gathered by an individual > manifestation. The Bhava chart is like assessment of collection of forces from > rashi chart which is like an ocean to a singular bucket which is Bhava Chart.The > different type of House systems can be described as an effort by different > thought for copy of the real universe. > So for assessment of a particular individual it is Bhava chart/Bucket which will > modify the results , but to the maxima and minma shown by the Rashi Chart as had > been received by an individual in his Bhava . > Bhava chart is not comparable with the Divisional Charts , Divisional charts are > assessment of only Lagna degrees, which shows all the reasons that why one is > born and other planets supporting these issues. > But Bhava chart is a positional chart showing that how some forces had shifted > or had focused at one house. > Different astrologers using different system may speak about only what they had > practiced throughout in their life, like I can write about KP, Vedic, Placidus > Topocentric, sripati and Rashi chart etc. But it will be foolishness of those > who write against or in favor to which they had not tested. > The confusion of many astrologers including of KP are when two signs occupy same > bhava , some start even combining planets in different signs like in the same > sign when they shift to one house. > I read somewhere a KP astrologer reading Moon 7th in rashi shifted to 6th in > Cusp as it is making combination with the occupant of previous sign in the > sixth. > This is not correct. > Let us treat Moon in 7th in Libra has shifted to 6th in cusp. The sign of Moon > will remain as Libra , the person with Moon in Libra in 7th is affected by the > Rajoguna of Air element , means touch , sensual pleasures, but with Libra > shifting to sixth is a flavor of Satoguna , the desire to sensual pleasures > flavored with know-how of Service ; the 6th house will take over to moon , it > will not provide sensual pleasures , but will give service or will cause such > other effects in its Dasha periods. > Imagine now another position Jupiter in lagna in his own sign say Sagittarius > shifting to 12th house. Difficult to grasp for a Vedic to cause loss of health. > Most KP astrologers will also read such a Jupiter causing health loss only.. > Such Jupiter will protect the asc through source of 12th house only ; that is > one should be cautious to routine and system then only he will remain healthy, > or this will provide health through local herbs , for an Indian through Yoga and > through Vedic medicines and for a western through his own local system. > The Astrology of Rashi and Divisions is only 40% in Astrology , to add another > 40% you will have to master Bhava system. Rest 20% is on your intuitive > faculties and meditation.So without Bhava chart you are left with 40% astrology > and 60% intuitions. > With Best Wishes, > Er. Inder Jit Sahni, > House No.1351-HIG,Model Town ,Phase-1, > Bhatinda-1510001,Phone 0164 2211360;09855224360 > hanskpvedic > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release 12/5/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and clarified . The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your comments on this issues are welcome and invited . Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha ------- § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics email : hmm_aha Home page : growthanddevelopment http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ -------- - vijayadas_pradeep Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dear Shri Anand Kindly explain this time and place ,both being considered. Thanks for corercting me(ascending degree mid point) and Sripati etc. As said i have little knowledge in the said topic. Regds Pradeep , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and clarified . > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your comments on this issues are welcome and invited . > > > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > - --- --------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > - --- ---------------- > - > vijayadas_pradeep > > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dear Pradeep , Consider two places where the sunrise time difference is say three minutes .. If sunrise kundali is made for each of the places all the shodashvarga will be the same . The difference in location will compensate for the time difference . In case of Bhav chalit however the bhavas will be different , even if the ascendant is the same degree . So the bhav chalit will be different for the two times . Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha ------- § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics email : hmm_aha Home page : growthanddevelopment http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ -------- - vijayadas_pradeep Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:19 PM Fw: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts Dear Shri Anand Kindly explain this time and place ,both being considered. Thanks for corercting me(ascending degree mid point) and Sripati etc. As said i have little knowledge in the said topic. Regds Pradeep , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and clarified . > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your comments on this issues are welcome and invited . > > > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > ------------------------- ------------------------- --------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > ------------------------- ------------------------- ---------------- > - > vijayadas_pradeep > > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dear Shri Anand Thanks for the clarification.I have now understood,your views regarding shodasha vargas. For the bhava/chalita i have to study the construction to understand. Another angle -Finer amshas,along with desha/kala/patra,may hold clue,when charts are identical. Thanks again Pradeep , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Pradeep , > > Consider two places where the sunrise time difference is say three minutes . If sunrise kundali is made for each of the places all the shodashvarga will be the same . The difference in location will compensate for the time difference . > > In case of Bhav chalit however the bhavas will be different , even if the ascendant is the same degree . So the bhav chalit will be different for the two times . > > > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > - --- --------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > - --- ---------------- > - > vijayadas_pradeep > > Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:19 PM > Fw: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > Dear Shri Anand > > Kindly explain this time and place ,both being considered. > Thanks for corercting me(ascending degree mid point) and Sripati etc. > As said i have little knowledge in the said topic. > > Regds > Pradeep > , Anand <anand.ghurye@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . > So this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and > clarified . > > > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali > and bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the > time of birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit > kundali time and place both are simultaneously taken into > consideration . I am not saying that this makes one system better > than the other , I am only saying that this is the main difference > between the two . Your comments on this issues are welcome and > invited . > > > > > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha@ > > > > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > --------------- > > § Training § Development § > Relationships § Synectics > > > > email : hmm_aha@ > > Home page : growthanddevelopment > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > ---------------- > > - > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dear Shri Pradeepji, Sorry, not meaning to intrude, but here we have a perfect example of the Bhava Chalit,I have used in Placidus system, so I thought let me put it before I turn lethargic. Message 13165 if you cast the chart as per Natal chart Rahu in ascendant-Acquarius Saturn in 3rd house -Aries Mars and Mercury in 9th- Libra Jupiter and Moon in 10th -Scorpio Sun and Mercury in 11th - Sagittarius. Of course Ketu in 7th in Leo. In the Placidus Bhava Chalit Chart- The ascendant degrees will remain same Acquarius 20.42' to Aries 0.35' Second house Aries 0.35' to Taurus 1.21 ' Pisces is a intercepted sign. the 3rd house is start at Taurus 1degree 21' to Taurus 26.19' the 4th house is start at Taurus again at 26.19' to Gemini 19.50 and so on. The Saturn at birth is of Degrees 22 Aries 45' Since this Saturn can only be fitted in after Aries 0.35' which is the second house in the Placidus Chart, it will go in the second Bhava. Therefore though Saturn will be in Aries but will give effects of the second Bhava and not the 3rd. If You wish to construct this with the table of Houses and ayanamsha deduction , you will find the following movements of the other planets in the Bhava Chalit chart. Ketu moves to 6th Mars and Venus move to the 8th Moon and Jupiter to the 9th Sun and Mercury to the 10th Rahu to the 12th. Thus the signs in which planets are placed at birth in, will remain same , but the Bhava position can/may change. Hope this proves some useful reading to you. If I have done any mistake in above then the other Learned members may please point out. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dear Anand, I think there is some confusion here. One takes into consideration place time and date of birth in all the Kundalis. There is no difference in Bhavachalit and Shodasha Varga there. Perhaps you are referring to the Bhava lagna, Ghatika lagna etc where the birth is assumed at equator. Chandrashekhar. Anand wrote: > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So > this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and > clarified . > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and > bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of > birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time > and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not > saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only > saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your > comments on this issues are welcome and invited . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > <hmm_aha%40> > > ------------------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > Home page : growthanddevelopment > <growthanddevelopment> > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html> > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/> > ------------------------- > - > vijayadas_pradeep > <%40> > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar , In a whole house kundali or shodashvarga kundali the place is taken into consideration only for deciding the ascendant degree. In case of Bhava chalit , the bhava chalit is related to the place . For example , at this instant , if a shodashvarga kundali is made for any number of locations , only difference will be the ascendant degree ( which will affect all vargas - agreed ) but if you take a bhava chalit all the bhavas will be different . The bhava is related to location in this sense . Ascendant degree is function of two variables - time and place . If time and place cancel each other out , then the ascendant degree will remain the same thus shodashvarga will remain same. This compensatory effect of time and place does not occur in case of Bhava chalit kundali . In bhava chalit , twelve bhavas are functions of time and place so even if some compensatory effect takes place , many of the bhavas will differ. Rohini Ranjan had written very nice explanation of the two concepts some time back on some other forum . If he can send it again most of the doubts between bhava chalit and shodashvarga will be clarified. Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha ------- § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics email : hmm_aha Home page : growthanddevelopment http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ -------- - Chandrashekhar Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:41 PM Re: Fw: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts Dear Anand, I think there is some confusion here. One takes into consideration place time and date of birth in all the Kundalis. There is no difference in Bhavachalit and Shodasha Varga there. Perhaps you are referring to the Bhava lagna, Ghatika lagna etc where the birth is assumed at equator. Chandrashekhar. Anand wrote: > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So > this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and > clarified . > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and > bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of > birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time > and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not > saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only > saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your > comments on this issues are welcome and invited . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > <hmm_aha%40> > > ------------------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > Home page : growthanddevelopment > <growthanddevelopment> > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html> > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/> > ------------------------- > - > vijayadas_pradeep > <%40> > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dear Anandji, I am trying to understand this mail of yours but unable to. Maybe not technically sound or knowing complexities of calculations or comples principles like many other learned Members here, which I have witnessed for last few days but not entered the threads due to not having sound knowledge base about same. I believe both Normal Full House chart and Bhava Chalit both take ascendant degrees in account which would be based on both LMT as well as co-ordinates of Long.and Latitude. Now when you talk about Shodashvarga its a seperate matter. And when we talk about Natal Chart and Bhava Chalit its again a seperate matter. Somehow I am not getting the comprehension of what has been mentioned in your mail.I am missing something perhaps., due to some inadequacy on my part. If its not asking much, and when ever you have spare time, can you please take up a chart and illustrate the salient points mentioned in your message, so we all get an oppportunity to learn. This is an absolute honest and innocent mail looking to learning. Thanks in advance, Bhaskar. , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar , > > In a whole house kundali or shodashvarga kundali the place is taken into consideration only for deciding the ascendant degree. In case of Bhava chalit , the bhava chalit is related to the place . For example , at this instant , if a shodashvarga kundali is made for any number of locations , only difference will be the ascendant degree ( which will affect all vargas - agreed ) but if you take a bhava chalit all the bhavas will be different . The bhava is related to location in this sense . Ascendant degree is function of two variables - time and place . If time and place cancel each other out , then the ascendant degree will remain the same thus shodashvarga will remain same. This compensatory effect of time and place does not occur in case of Bhava chalit kundali . In bhava chalit , twelve bhavas are functions of time and place so even if some compensatory effect takes place , many of the bhavas will differ. > > Rohini Ranjan had written very nice explanation of the two concepts some time back on some other forum . If he can send it again most of the doubts between bhava chalit and shodashvarga will be clarified. > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > -- ---- ------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > -- ---- -------------- > - > Chandrashekhar > > Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:41 PM > Re: Fw: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > Dear Anand, > > I think there is some confusion here. One takes into consideration place > time and date of birth in all the Kundalis. There is no difference in > Bhavachalit and Shodasha Varga there. Perhaps you are referring to the > Bhava lagna, Ghatika lagna etc where the birth is assumed at equator. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Anand wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So > > this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and > > clarified . > > > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and > > bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of > > birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time > > and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not > > saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only > > saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your > > comments on this issues are welcome and invited . > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > <hmm_aha%40> > > > > ------------------------- > > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > > > email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > > Home page : growthanddevelopment > > <growthanddevelopment> > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html> > > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/> > > ------------------------- > > - > > vijayadas_pradeep > > <% 40> > > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji Pls call me pradeep.Thanks for the example.I will have to learn the basics and will comment later.Chandrashekhar jis comment points to the fact that it is comparatively a new theory and not classical.Thus I feel it can be subjective improvisations of existing basics. Can we errect placidus style using JHORA.I couldn't find an option.On the other hand,common option(Bhava chalaita) in JHORA shows sign change along with Bhava change in certain cases.When one bhava is spanning 2 signs,sign having bhava madhya becomes lord.But how can we say a planet has changed sign?.Do we have separate sign calculation as well. Regds Pradeep , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeepji, > > Sorry, not meaning to intrude, but here we have a perfect example > of the Bhava Chalit,I have used in Placidus system, so I > thought let me put it before I turn lethargic. > > Message 13165 if you cast the chart as per Natal chart > Rahu in ascendant-Acquarius > Saturn in 3rd house -Aries > Mars and Mercury in 9th- Libra > Jupiter and Moon in 10th -Scorpio > Sun and Mercury in 11th - Sagittarius. > Of course Ketu in 7th in Leo. > > In the Placidus Bhava Chalit Chart- > The ascendant degrees will remain same > Acquarius 20.42' to Aries 0.35' > Second house Aries 0.35' to Taurus 1.21 ' > Pisces is a intercepted sign. > the 3rd house is start at Taurus 1degree 21' to Taurus 26.19' > the 4th house is start at Taurus again at 26.19' to Gemini 19.50 > and so on. > The Saturn at birth is of Degrees 22 Aries 45' > > Since this Saturn can only be fitted in after Aries 0.35' > which is the second house in the Placidus Chart, > it will go in the second Bhava. > Therefore though Saturn will be in Aries but will give effects of > the second Bhava and not the 3rd. > > If You wish to construct this with the table of Houses and > ayanamsha deduction , you will find the following movements > of the other planets in the Bhava Chalit chart. > Ketu moves to 6th > Mars and Venus move to the 8th > Moon and Jupiter to the 9th > Sun and Mercury to the 10th > Rahu to the 12th. > > Thus the signs in which planets are placed at birth in, will > remain same , but the Bhava position can/may change. > > Hope this proves some useful reading to you. > If I have done any mistake in above then the other > Learned members may please > point out. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dear Pradeepji, //Pls call me Pradeep.// First You may stop calling me Bhaskarji. Even if you may do this, for me it would be difficult, its a practise not easy for me to change. //Chandrashekhar jis comment points to the fact that it is comparatively a new theory and not classical.Thus I feel it can be subjective improvisations of existing basics.// This is not a new theory and neither classical. This has been borrowed from the West. But whether it went to the West from here in the first case , we do not know. What matters to us is that the results in predictions should match the truth, whatever style is adopted by anyone suited to him. Like the Classicals never had the PC or softwares to make charts, but we do have, and again theres a lot of misfeeding in many softwares too by the manufacturers. //Can we errect placidus style using JHORA.I couldn't find an option.// Yes J.Hora would give you the house divisons ie.start of cusp and the end. But the graphical presentation of the Bhava Chalit is not there. The Natal chart will not change to Bhava Chalit as showed in the Software. But we do not need the graphical presentation even if it is not there. When you watch a chart it all goes in the memory and nothing else remains. Your significators would anyway be written on a paper first. //When one bhava is spanning 2 signs,sign having bhava madhya becomes lord.But how can we say a planet has changed sign?. Do we have separate sign calculation as well. // Sir if you prepare a chart manually You will know what are the starting cusps of each house. Like I gave in my example you can fit the planet there. In Placidus You do not need to use the word Bhava Madhya. Its starting of the cusp and ending of the Cusp. (If You know to cast the Shripathi Padhati chart then the Bhava Madhya used there, becomes the start here in Placidus).But in case of J.Hora You need not cast the chart manually. You already have readymade house divisions given to you. Just note down the Lords, which would give you the owner of each Bhava. Then You also have ready made planets degrees given to you. All you do is to put them in each Bhava like we fit a jigsaw puzzle. But even this You need not do. This is also given in J.Hora. The House and planet significators Chart of course you will have to prepare on your own. I had experienced all these problems when I did not know how to cast a chart manually by using Table of Houses and the Ephemeris, exact degree wise and latitude wise. And I missed many years of glorious predictive astrology. So once we get ourselves to doing this,its smooth sailing. regards, Bhaskar. , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Pls call me pradeep.Thanks for the example.I will have to learn the > basics and will comment later.Chandrashekhar jis comment points to > the fact that it is comparatively a new theory and not > classical.Thus I feel it can be subjective improvisations of > existing basics. > Can we errect placidus style using JHORA.I couldn't find an > option.On the other hand,common option(Bhava chalaita) in JHORA > shows sign change along with Bhava change in certain cases.When one > bhava is spanning 2 signs,sign having bhava madhya becomes lord.But > how can we say a planet has changed sign?.Do we have separate sign > calculation as well. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji, > > > > Sorry, not meaning to intrude, but here we have a perfect example > > of the Bhava Chalit,I have used in Placidus system, so I > > thought let me put it before I turn lethargic. > > > > Message 13165 if you cast the chart as per Natal chart > > Rahu in ascendant-Acquarius > > Saturn in 3rd house -Aries > > Mars and Mercury in 9th- Libra > > Jupiter and Moon in 10th -Scorpio > > Sun and Mercury in 11th - Sagittarius. > > Of course Ketu in 7th in Leo. > > > > In the Placidus Bhava Chalit Chart- > > The ascendant degrees will remain same > > Acquarius 20.42' to Aries 0.35' > > Second house Aries 0.35' to Taurus 1.21 ' > > Pisces is a intercepted sign. > > the 3rd house is start at Taurus 1degree 21' to Taurus 26.19' > > the 4th house is start at Taurus again at 26.19' to Gemini 19.50 > > and so on. > > The Saturn at birth is of Degrees 22 Aries 45' > > > > Since this Saturn can only be fitted in after Aries 0.35' > > which is the second house in the Placidus Chart, > > it will go in the second Bhava. > > Therefore though Saturn will be in Aries but will give effects of > > the second Bhava and not the 3rd. > > > > If You wish to construct this with the table of Houses and > > ayanamsha deduction , you will find the following movements > > of the other planets in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > Ketu moves to 6th > > Mars and Venus move to the 8th > > Moon and Jupiter to the 9th > > Sun and Mercury to the 10th > > Rahu to the 12th. > > > > Thus the signs in which planets are placed at birth in, will > > remain same , but the Bhava position can/may change. > > > > Hope this proves some useful reading to you. > > If I have done any mistake in above then the other > > Learned members may please > > point out. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dear Anand, If I am not mistaken, are you talking about the different spans of rasis over different latitudes? I think you are perhaps confusing between the division of degrees and span of rasis. If that be the case then what you say is not incorrect, though not very accurate for all types of Bhava chalit charts. All charts are a function of time, position of planets, rasis and place. Make no mistake about that. Rohini is a knowledgeable astrologer no doubt and he must have said something more than this. Chandrashekhar. Anand wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar , > > In a whole house kundali or shodashvarga kundali the place is taken > into consideration only for deciding the ascendant degree. In case of > Bhava chalit , the bhava chalit is related to the place . For example > , at this instant , if a shodashvarga kundali is made for any number > of locations , only difference will be the ascendant degree ( which > will affect all vargas - agreed ) but if you take a bhava chalit all > the bhavas will be different . The bhava is related to location in > this sense . Ascendant degree is function of two variables - time and > place . If time and place cancel each other out , then the ascendant > degree will remain the same thus shodashvarga will remain same. This > compensatory effect of time and place does not occur in case of Bhava > chalit kundali . In bhava chalit , twelve bhavas are functions of time > and place so even if some compensatory effect takes place , many of > the bhavas will differ. > > Rohini Ranjan had written very nice explanation of the two concepts > some time back on some other forum . If he can send it again most of > the doubts between bhava chalit and shodashvarga will be clarified. > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > <hmm_aha%40> > > ------------------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > Home page : growthanddevelopment > <growthanddevelopment> > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html> > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/> > ------------------------- > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:41 PM > Re: Fw: Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > Dear Anand, > > I think there is some confusion here. One takes into consideration place > time and date of birth in all the Kundalis. There is no difference in > Bhavachalit and Shodasha Varga there. Perhaps you are referring to the > Bhava lagna, Ghatika lagna etc where the birth is assumed at equator. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Anand wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vijaydas and Chandrashekhar > > > > I know that both of you have seen , used and know bhava kundalis . So > > this is a place where I can get some of my concepts discussed and > > clarified . > > > > The main difference in the calculations of shodashavarga kundali and > > bhavachalit kundali is that for shodashvarga kundali only the time of > > birth is taken into consideration while in bhava chalit kundali time > > and place both are simultaneously taken into consideration . I am not > > saying that this makes one system better than the other , I am only > > saying that this is the main difference between the two . Your > > comments on this issues are welcome and invited . > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > <hmm_aha%40> > > <hmm_aha%40> > > > > ------------------------- > > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > > > email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > <hmm_aha%40> > > Home page : growthanddevelopment > <growthanddevelopment> > > <growthanddevelopment > <growthanddevelopment>> > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html> > > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > <http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html>> > > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/> > <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ <http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/>> > > ------------------------- > > - > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:44 AM > > Re: Bhava Charts and Rashi charts > > > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji Thanks a lot for the explanations and guidance.As you have been living in Bombay i can call you ji.It is not because of bombay:-),but the number of years.I will try and experiment.I may have difference in opinion,if you say one cannot predict without Bhava/Chalit.If we you say Yogas are not working in certain cases,we may look at those examples. Regds Pradeep , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeepji, > > //Pls call me Pradeep.// > > First You may stop calling me Bhaskarji. Even if you may do this, for > me it would be difficult, its a practise not easy for me to change. > > //Chandrashekhar jis comment points to > the fact that it is comparatively a new theory and not > classical.Thus I feel it can be subjective improvisations of > existing basics.// > > This is not a new theory and neither classical. This has been > borrowed from > the West. But whether it went to the West from here in the first > case , > we do not know. What matters to us is that the results in predictions > should > match the truth, whatever style is adopted by anyone suited to him. > Like the > Classicals never had the PC or softwares to make charts, but we do > have, and > again theres a lot of misfeeding in many softwares too by the > manufacturers. > > //Can we errect placidus style using JHORA.I couldn't find an > option.// > > Yes J.Hora would give you the house divisons ie.start of cusp and the > end. > But the graphical presentation of the Bhava Chalit is not there. The > Natal chart > will not change to Bhava Chalit as showed in the Software. > But we do not need the graphical presentation even if it is not > there. When you > watch a chart it all goes in the memory and nothing else remains. Your > significators would anyway be written on a paper first. > > > //When one bhava is spanning 2 signs,sign having bhava madhya > becomes lord.But how can we say a planet has changed sign?. > Do we have separate sign calculation as well. // > > Sir if you prepare a chart manually You will know what are the > starting > cusps of each house. Like I gave in my example you can fit the planet > there. > In Placidus You do not need to use the word Bhava Madhya. Its > starting of > the cusp and ending of the Cusp. (If You know to cast the Shripathi > Padhati chart then the Bhava Madhya used there, becomes the start > here in Placidus).But in case of J.Hora You need not cast the chart > manually. You already > have readymade house divisions given to you. Just note down the Lords, > which would give you the owner of each Bhava. Then You also have > ready > made planets degrees given to you. All you do is to put them > in each Bhava like we fit a jigsaw puzzle. But even > this You need not do. This is also given in J.Hora. > > The House and planet significators Chart of course you will > have to prepare on your own. > > I had experienced all these problems when I did not > know how to cast a chart manually by using Table of Houses > and the Ephemeris, exact degree wise and latitude wise. > And I missed many years of glorious predictive astrology. > So once we get ourselves to doing this,its smooth sailing. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Pls call me pradeep.Thanks for the example.I will have to learn the > > basics and will comment later.Chandrashekhar jis comment points to > > the fact that it is comparatively a new theory and not > > classical.Thus I feel it can be subjective improvisations of > > existing basics. > > Can we errect placidus style using JHORA.I couldn't find an > > option.On the other hand,common option(Bhava chalaita) in JHORA > > shows sign change along with Bhava change in certain cases.When one > > bhava is spanning 2 signs,sign having bhava madhya becomes lord.But > > how can we say a planet has changed sign?.Do we have separate sign > > calculation as well. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji, > > > > > > Sorry, not meaning to intrude, but here we have a perfect example > > > of the Bhava Chalit,I have used in Placidus system, so I > > > thought let me put it before I turn lethargic. > > > > > > Message 13165 if you cast the chart as per Natal chart > > > Rahu in ascendant-Acquarius > > > Saturn in 3rd house -Aries > > > Mars and Mercury in 9th- Libra > > > Jupiter and Moon in 10th -Scorpio > > > Sun and Mercury in 11th - Sagittarius. > > > Of course Ketu in 7th in Leo. > > > > > > In the Placidus Bhava Chalit Chart- > > > The ascendant degrees will remain same > > > Acquarius 20.42' to Aries 0.35' > > > Second house Aries 0.35' to Taurus 1.21 ' > > > Pisces is a intercepted sign. > > > the 3rd house is start at Taurus 1degree 21' to Taurus 26.19' > > > the 4th house is start at Taurus again at 26.19' to Gemini 19.50 > > > and so on. > > > The Saturn at birth is of Degrees 22 Aries 45' > > > > > > Since this Saturn can only be fitted in after Aries 0.35' > > > which is the second house in the Placidus Chart, > > > it will go in the second Bhava. > > > Therefore though Saturn will be in Aries but will give effects of > > > the second Bhava and not the 3rd. > > > > > > If You wish to construct this with the table of Houses and > > > ayanamsha deduction , you will find the following movements > > > of the other planets in the Bhava Chalit chart. > > > Ketu moves to 6th > > > Mars and Venus move to the 8th > > > Moon and Jupiter to the 9th > > > Sun and Mercury to the 10th > > > Rahu to the 12th. > > > > > > Thus the signs in which planets are placed at birth in, will > > > remain same , but the Bhava position can/may change. > > > > > > Hope this proves some useful reading to you. > > > If I have done any mistake in above then the other > > > Learned members may please > > > point out. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.