Tarpaka Kapha and MS?

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I have a question for respected members on this forum.

 

I have been reading Lad's fundamental principles and just read a

section on Tarpaka Kapha. It described one of the functions of this

sub dosha as the myelin sheath.

 

>From a MS perspective, I am a bit confused. I always considered MS

to be due to Prana Vayu and aggravated by Pitta (inflammation).

However, when I think about it, the nerves still function correctly;

they simply get confused because of bad myelin sheathing. For

example, the electric flowing into a house flows normally, but bad

insulation can cause the electric to flow outside it normal path,

thus causing issues.

 

So considering this, is MS really a disease associated with Vata

and/or Pitta? If Tarpaka Kapha is behind the sheath, I would think

it would be more of a Kapha imbalance?

 

You thoughts on this matter as sincerely appreciated.

 

Om Shanti,

 

Charles

[Guest guest]

hi charles,

 

the specific pathological features including histological changes to

neural tissues weren't exactly identified by ayurveda but the

symptoms are clear enough

 

if you look at MS, the primary features are progressive paralysis,

fatigue, neuralgia etc, all of which relate to a disorder of vata

thus primary treatment is given to vata

 

however, the caveat is that the underlying cause is AMA, and as we

know AMA is most similar in quality to kapha

when AMA accumulates it essentially displaces kapha and disables the

nourishing or 'embracing' (shlish) function of tarpak kapha around

the nerves

as we know, the presence of AMA vitiates pitta, which is activated as

against AMA in the myelin, and ends up destroying the integrity of

the nerves resulting in a vattika disorder

 

so you can see that all three doshas are in one way or another

responsible, and need to be addressed in any successful protocol

the biggest misconception is to treat MS ONLY as a vata disorder,

which may make the condition worse

 

to see more please read message:

http://health.ayurveda/message/5271

 

also, the referring links to websites listed in this message have

been changed

for the paleolithic diet see:

http://www.toddcaldecott.com/health_pn.html

 

also, check out ashton embry's site

http://www.direct-ms.org/

 

best... todd caldecott

 

> Hello,

>

> I have a question for respected members on this forum.

>

> I have been reading Lad's fundamental principles and just read a

> section on Tarpaka Kapha. It described one of the functions of this

> sub dosha as the myelin sheath.

>

> From a MS perspective, I am a bit confused.

Caldecott

todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

Hello

 

Thank you for the very clear explanations and supplemental links. I

do have some follow up questions. In the e-book, it talks about not

doing oil massage, if you have MS. And it also talks about not doing

pancha karma.

 

My constitution type is Pitta Kapha. For the last year or so, I have

been doing daily self massage with a pitta blend from Banyan about 5

times a week. I really feel I benefit from this as it provides time

to check in and see how my body feels. In addition, I get a massage

every other week, in which he uses oils.

 

Am I understanding it correctly, that I should not do this?

 

Also, I just did a week long cleanse / fast (David Jubbs). Primarily

whole life food shakes and herbal laxatives followed by a day of

coffee enema and gall bladder purge. I was amazed as I got close to

a cup of stones! Anyway, I was hoping to do a cleanse/fast on a

spring / fall basis.

 

At some point, I wanted to do full fledged pancha karma. Should I

avoid this?

 

My symptoms are very mild. I have been extremely fortunate up until

this point.

 

But now, I am a bit confused at this point!

 

Om Shanti,

 

Charles

 

ayurveda, Todd Caldecott <todd

wrote:

>

> hi charles,

>

> the specific pathological features including histological changes

to

> neural tissues weren't exactly identified by ayurveda but the

> symptoms are clear enough

>

> if you look at MS, the primary features are progressive

paralysis,

> fatigue, neuralgia etc, all of which relate to a disorder of vata

> thus primary treatment is given to vata

[Guest guest]

Dear Charles

 

Sorry for jumping into the middle of communication between you and Todd. Most of your doubts can be

attributed to e-advise method you are seeking. No vaidya can give you

specific advise, unless you see him in person. Let us try to examine

each point.

 

Though the specific pathological features including histological

changes to neural tissues weren't exactly identified by ayurveda,

ayurveda permits and encourages treating according to dosha

unbalance, whether a particular disease has been identified and named

by others or not.

 

When a a disese falls under basically predominantly Vata class, oil

is the approach whether massage, oral administration or dhara. Panch

Karma basti is especially useful according to this author. for

instance, the flare up of MS for one patient got stopped in a day

itself, when basti along with head massage was administered. Ofcourse

this was a "quick-fix" and program was continued to obtain stability.

Another problem with e-advise is that each individual is different.

Though several may have MS like symptoms, both prakuti and vikuti

differes a little from person to person.

 

When Vaidya has an opportunity to examine the patient, he can devise

the protocol for each individual. Thus though e-book recommends going

for animal proteins/fats etc, this author found that his vegetarian

patients benifitted by omega-3 oils of plant origin rather than fish

oil. They shuddered at the mention of fish oil! While green gram was

very beneficial, some other pulses were negative, except when taken in

sprouted form. The cleanse for gallstones was useful for all MS

patients! Most of these observations were patient specific, one size

did not fit all!

 

Despite e-book mentioning not to undertake Panch Karma or oil

massage, you seem to have benifitted! Self experience is ultimate

Guru, but initially seek a Guru in person rather than net. Secondly,

fastings and cleanses give opportunity for body to undertake self-

healing, and one should not treat diet recommendations as simple

"medicines without side effects". abstaining from the negative

influence of wrong food is also a medicine!

 

This author would urge you to see nearby vaidya, though you may

collect tons of e-info on MS, just for education purpose.

 

ayurveda, charles_corbit <no_reply

wrote:

In the e-book, it talks about not

> doing oil massage, if you have MS. And it also talks about not doing

> pancha karma.

>

For the last year or so, I have

> been doing daily self massage with a pitta blend from Banyan about 5

> times a week. I really feel I benefit from this as it provides time

> to check in and see how my body feels. In addition, I get a massage

> every other week, in which he uses oils.

>

> Also, I just did a week long cleanse / fast (David Jubbs). Primarily

> whole life food shakes and herbal laxatives followed by a day of

> coffee enema and gall bladder purge. I was amazed as I got close to

> a cup of stones! Anyway, I was hoping to do a cleanse/fast on a

> spring / fall basis.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello

>

> Thank you for the very clear explanations and supplemental links. I

> do have some follow up questions. In the e-book, it talks about not

> doing oil massage, if you have MS. And it also talks about not doing

> pancha karma.

>

> My constitution type is Pitta Kapha. For the last year or so, I have

> been doing daily self massage with a pitta blend from Banyan about 5

> times a week. I really feel I benefit from this as it provides time

> to check in and see how my body feels. In addition, I get a massage

> every other week, in which he uses oils.

>

> Am I understanding it correctly, that I should not do this?

 

 

hi charles

 

the late dr bajracharya was a well known ayurvedic physician who

worked with hundreds upon hundreds of western patients, many of whom

had MS

his recommendations are based on his experience as well as his

accomplished understanding of the ayurvedic theory behind them

however, his recommendations are for the treatment of a disease, not

a person, and so need to be understood in this context

your best bet, as dr. bhate states, is to educate yourself as best as

possible and then consult an experienced practitioner

 

you don't state that your receive benefit from the oil massage other

than to check in with your body

so, you could probably also check in by doing a dry massage (garshana)

also, its unlikely that you are administering a therapeutic dose of

medicated oil, i.e. >500 mL, and so a little bit of oil is unlikely

to have the negative impact that dr. bajracharya discussed in his text

 

 

>

>

> Also, I just did a week long cleanse / fast (David Jubbs). Primarily

> whole life food shakes and herbal laxatives followed by a day of

> coffee enema and gall bladder purge. I was amazed as I got close to

> a cup of stones!

 

did you save these "stones"? in many cases they are saponified olive

oil

you can easily tell by gently heating them on a pan in the oven - the

oil "stones" will quickly melt but the real stones will not

there is some debate about the benefit of this treatment

there is similar regimen is used in ayurveda called snehana, but

there are cautions around using in in patients with actual stones as

the treatment can push a stone in the common bile duct and lodge a

stone in the pancreatic oultet, causing a reflux of pancreatic juices...

 

 

> Anyway, I was hoping to do a cleanse/fast on a

> spring / fall basis.

>

> At some point, I wanted to do full fledged pancha karma. Should I

> avoid this?

 

according to dr. bajracharya

other vaidyas please write with your experience putting MS into

remission with pancha karma, not just a temporary improvement in

symptoms

 

it seems to me that pancha karma is often recommended as a cure-all,

but as with anything, it might not the best treatment

in the case of MS, sri bajracharya recommends shamana therapy, to

eliminate ama and pacify the doshas, not forcibly expel them, because

the body may be too weak

Caldecott

todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

Hello Shirish,

 

I understand what you are saying. I was seeing an Ayurvedic

physician (BAMS) for over a year on a monthly basis. He recommended

the daily abhyanga and pancha karma. I have not done formal pancha

karma due to cost. I have also been practicing vegetarianism since

May, but moving in that direction for over two years. So a meat

based diet is not an option for me at this point. I am hoping the

good karma of ahimsa will pay dividends in the next life!

 

My questions are more educational and curiosity. I would not make

significant changes to my approach as it is working quite well (at

this point). I was just a bit surprised as I thought pancha karma

was a "cure-all" from an ayurvedic perspective.

 

Thank you for your sound advice.

 

Om Shanti,

 

Charles

 

 

ayurveda, "Shirish Bhate"

<shirishbhate wrote:

> Sorry for jumping into the middle of communication between you and . Most of your doubts can be

> attributed to e-advise method you are seeking. No vaidya can give

you

> specific advise, unless you see him in person. Let us try to

examine

> each point.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Hello

 

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>its unlikely that you are administering a therapeutic dose of

>medicated oil, i.e. >500 mL, and so a little bit of oil is unlikely

>to have the negative impact that dr. bajracharya discussed in his

text

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You are absolutely correct. I only use a few tablespoons. I also

believe it helps move lymph fluid as well.

 

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>did you save these "stones"? in many cases they are saponified

olive oil

>you can easily tell by gently heating them on a pan in the oven -

the

>oil "stones" will quickly melt but the real stones will not

>there is some debate about the benefit of this treatment

>there is similar regimen is used in ayurveda called snehana, but

>there are cautions around using in in patients with actual stones as

>the treatment can push a stone in the common bile duct and lodge a

>stone in the pancreatic oultet, causing a reflux of pancreatic

juices...

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That is very very interesting! I did not save them, but a few of the

folks I did it with did. I am asking them to try this. In my case,

there were about 20% dark shiny black and 70% dark shiny green,

almost a deep jade color. The remaining 10% were more of a brownish.

I would not be surprised if these 10% were oil conglomerates. The

others actually looked like shiny stones.

 

 

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>it seems to me that pancha karma is often recommended as a cure-all,

>but as with anything, it might not the best treatment

>in the case of MS, sri bajracharya recommends shamana therapy, to

>eliminate ama and pacify the doshas, not forcibly expel them,

>because the body may be too weak

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Sound advice. I think one thing that gets a bit confusing when I

talk about this topic, MS, is that I am very fortunate to have very

mild symptoms. I was very fortunate to catch it early and

aggressively treat thru many lifestyle / diet changes. I am still

very strong and in fact, I went on a 7 day canoe camping trip a year

ago and was carrying a 70 pound canoe over portage trails. One trail

I did non stop and it was close to ¾ of a mile.

 

Once again thank you. You always contribute very detailed and

thorough messages and it is much appreciated.

 

Om Shanti,

 

Charles