Sumary of views on samadhi.... a request.

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praNAms Sri Harsha prabhuji

Hare Krishna

 

Sorry for the belated reply...thanks to the brief illness :-))

 

bhaskar.yr (AT) in (DOT) abb.com wrote:

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> Moreover, in the experience of NS, this *event* not only has *from* time,

> it has *to* time also...On this day, from 7 AM to 9.30 AM I was

> established

> in brahman & then came out to do business as usual in this jagat:-)) is

it

> not???

>

> ************************************

>

 

Harsha prabhuji:

 

No. It is not Bhaskar-ji. What you say applies perfectly to deep sleep

but would not apply to Nirvikalpa Samadhi at all.

 

bhaskar :

 

Kindly let me know when somebody say that I have entered some state on such

& such date say from 7 to 9.30 AM whether they are talking about deep sleep

state or NS...No offence is intended here just my curious question based on

time bound realization of Atman.

 

Harsha prabhuji:

 

Nirvikalpa Samadhi, on the other hand, is entered into consciously by the

mind and the mind is absorbed into pure consciousness that is

Sat-Chit-Ananda, and it comes out consciously thus fully understanding the

nature of unbroken, continuous, and perpetual consciousness that is pure

being-awareness, and bliss which underlies all states and modifications.

 

bhaskar :

 

Kindly let me know *the experiencer* of NS has any avidyA lEsha during the

period of NS...what exactly is the difference between deep sleep & NS in

the terms of *experience*?? if the state of NS is an absolute realization

there is no trace of avidyA, how can an experiencer of NS can again come

back to this world to do business, in other words what brings him back to

this avidyA prapaNcha ?? if there is a residue of avidyA even during the

NS, then I can hardly see any difference between deep sleep state & NS.....

infact I have asked this question in one of my previous mail...I think

nobody has answered this question from the vEdAntic perspective ...(except

off the list by Sri Vinayaka prabhuji..but answer he provided is based on

some traditional belief which I think irrelevant here )

 

Namaste

Love to all

Harsha

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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Namaste friends,

 

Bhaskar-ji asks Harsha, ".... what exactly is the difference between deep

sleep & NS in the terms of *experience*??"

 

I wonder if it is possible to approach this in a slightly different way.

Namely, instead of asking people to provide answers to substantiate their

views, after which 'we' / 'I' / 'you' can then refute them at leisure, why

not simply adopt the view as a temporary working hypothesis.

 

Lets accept for the time being that those people who enter into what we call

"Kevala Nirvikalpa samadhi" describe a sense of profundity which is beyond

words to describe. They often report that, paradoxically, it was an

'experience' where ego was not. "Paradox" seems to be a key word as they

tend to admit, with a sense of frustration when others try to pin them down

in words, that all words, descriptions do no justice at all to what they are

trying to describe and lead only to contradictions if pushed to far. At the

same such individuals recognise that this indescribable 'timeless' happening

("happening" - again, words place the timeless back in time and therefore do

it not justice) also has a profound effect on 'normal' life. Many describe

that what was only a conceptual understanding prior to the 'experience' has

a direct meaning in their normal lives thereafter - for example, a direct

sense of 'unity with all', a 'love and compassion for all beings', 'an

unshakeable certainty' as to the reality of the Self and that the Self and

Brahman are one, etc etc. Some also report that passages in the scriptures

which previously were not understandable, now seem clear and the truth

behind those previously obscure passages now resonates deeply in their

Heart. There are many more similar descriptions, if one cares to explore.

 

Now, as far as I know, this is not the usual thing people describe when they

wake up in the morning, after 'deep sleep'. So, if we are willing to adopt

a temporary working hypothesis that there is a difference between this so

called 'samadhi state' and 'deep sleep' why not explore, with an open mind,

what might account for it and how it might be explained. It seems to me

that if we work together to positively explore a line of thought there is a

possibility we may come up with different kinds of conversations and

'answers' than we do in the 'proponent vs opponent' method.

 

Just a thought.

 

Best wishes to all Advaitins,

 

Peter

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Dear Bhaskar-ji:

Namaste

 

Sorry to hear about your illness. Glad you have made a full recovery.

 

Nirvikalpa Samadhi is Self-Recognition in which the mind is absorbed

consciously in the Heart and the fullness of Self-Aware Bliss presents

itself to itself as Sat-Chit-Ananda. If you earnestly wish to know

about Nirvikalpa Samadhi, you can engage in sadhana of meditation on the

Self and persistent self-inquiry and see for your self. If we have the

intense desire to know something, through grace, the means are provided

to us. The best answers are those that come from one's own experience

and knowledge based on direct perception. Anything that I can tell you

will not be helpful at this point.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

bhaskar.yr (AT) in (DOT) abb.com wrote:

>

>

> praNAms Sri Harsha prabhuji

> Hare Krishna

>

> bhaskar :

>

> Kindly let me know *the experiencer* of NS has any avidyA lEsha during the

> period of NS...what exactly is the difference between deep sleep & NS in

> the terms of *experience*?? if the state of NS is an absolute realization

> there is no trace of avidyA, how can an experiencer of NS can again come

> back to this world to do business, in other words what brings him back to

> this avidyA prapaNcha ?? if there is a residue of avidyA even during the

> NS, then I can hardly see any difference between deep sleep state &

> NS.....

> infact I have asked this question in one of my previous mail...I think

> nobody has answered this question from the vEdAntic perspective ...(except

> off the list by Sri Vinayaka prabhuji..but answer he provided is based on

> some traditional belief which I think irrelevant here )

>

> Namaste

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

> bhaskar

>

> __