Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2006 Dear All, I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to mother Lalitha.When i left his ashram all my close friends(disciple of the guru)stopped talking to me.I continued my search in finding a true Guru to initiate me in Sri Vidhya but the i coundnt find anyone as there is no one who know devi in my country.I searched on the web and reading some books i started doing puja for devi and saving money to come to india for initiation. Some times after the guru accused me lots of false thing and i was threatened to physical violence by his close friends.He told lots of lies on me and i had to faced big problems.Today while coming back from work,a man run after me to tell me that i was in his house,i was very shocked,told him he must have been mistaken and he told me he was sure that i was in his house. Now i'm lost,dont know what to do with my life,i feel alone and discouraged,i have no friends and now i really feel that Mother also is not by my side...please help me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2006 Who was the guru? Take a break from groups and practice what you are able by yourself for awhile. - "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > <> Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM Where is Devi > Dear All, > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > mother Lalitha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2006 He is swami vishwananda,his ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Who was the guru? Take a break from groups and practice what you are able by yourself for awhile. - "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > <> Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM Where is Devi > Dear All, > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > mother Lalitha. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2006 I agree with Llundrub time heals , therefore taking a break is best and in time You will find a way to Devi , finding a true Guru is not easy or shall I say a true Guru will find You . Devi will answer Your prayers surely but patience is key ! , Good luck and all the best J. > > He is swami vishwananda,his ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. > > Llundrub <llundrub wrote: Who was the guru? Take a break from groups and practice what you are able by > yourself for awhile. > > - > "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > <> > Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM > Where is Devi > > > Dear All, > > > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > > mother Lalitha. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2006 http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm , "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > mother Lalitha.When i left his ashram all my close friends (disciple of > the guru)stopped talking to me.I continued my search in finding a true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2006 Megalomanius extremus. - "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org > <> Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:00 AM Re: Where is Devi > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2006 Pray with your whole heart. SHE will definitely solve your problem. Bhakthi and Prayer is the only way out. Pray on HER LOTUS FEET. On 9/9/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Megalomanius extremus. > > > - > "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org <adishakti_org%40>> > < <%40>> > Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:00 AM > Re: Where is Devi > > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2006 The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self. I believe Llundrub gives good advice, practice what you are able yourself. Don't get stressed out, just chill. Allow Devi to REVEAL herself, ASK her to, in Love. SHE IS ALREADY WITH YOU DEAREST, you don't need a Guru you need You ! I know this sounds tongue in cheek, but please try what I am saying just once, call Her with your heart and mind - love and faith (knowledge that she is indeed with You) rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 > wrote: He is swami vishwananda,his ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Who was the guru? Take a break from groups and practice what you are able by yourself for awhile. - "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > <> Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM Where is Devi > Dear All, > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > mother Lalitha. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2006 I have been wondering lately about why is it that many people appear in this group that think they know exactly what is good for other people,that they know only by an internet posting and have never met in person or talked to. There are people who know exactly the right aspect of devi that is appropriate to a persons welfare, and now you come and you know that our friend here, will never need a guru. How is all that possible ? Do you have trikala drishti, do you see all the movement and direction of the chitta vrittis and vikalpas and vasanas in the karma record by reading one or two postings? Or do you still have problems of your own and maybe it is hard also for you deciding about the direction your own life should take? If the second is true why you think you can guide others? My parameshti Guru had trikala drishti, if someone would come in the room he would know without a word being said what would happen to that person, and he would tell him his secret desires and plans and if they would be fruitful or not, he would also know all his problems and family affairs etc. even if he was a complete stranger and could advice him on the best course of action. Advice about such personal matters as wheter one needs or will meet a guru or not CAN be given, but only if one has this siddhi that enables one to clearly see into the future the present and past of a person. If one gives personal advice without this knowledge, about such specific matters, it is only empty talk, if devi sees fit he will meet his teacher, that is my opinion. How would you know more, except by divine insight into his karma? The internet is anonymous and we don´t even know if a posting is serious or not, some are only meant to spread confusion and doubt, even if someone had trikala drishti do you think he would use his power on every posting? Even assuming one of us has that siddhi, would he post and write whether someone will get the Blessing of Guru Guidance or not? No what good should this do? That someone feels he has been cheated by a Guru is no reason to doubt the Importance of Guru Tattwa per se, nor that he will never need, or meet a sincere Guru. We don´t even know what had happened between his Guru and him. I remember another person here writing about that a Guru has cursed his disciple. How do we know what really happened? I found out things where a little bit different off-list than as described on list. Another german poster here a while ago, was similarly dissapointed in eastern teachings because of what he had witnessed in ashrams, he wanted to study trika Kaula he also wrote that there is no one in his country he could learn from. Strange coincidence. Now is or was this lack of teachers true or is it only lack of faith and endurance of effort? I could clear this doubt,being located in Germany myself i know what is possible here and what is not, but i don´t feel like it, everybody can guess. Bhakti and faith is important, Guru is also important. Without the one nobody get the other, one is the method second the result. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self. > I believe Llundrub gives good advice, practice what you are able yourself. Don't get stressed out, just chill. Allow Devi to REVEAL herself, ASK her to, in Love. SHE IS ALREADY WITH YOU DEAREST, you don't need a Guru you need You ! > > I know this sounds tongue in cheek, but please try what I am saying just once, call Her with your heart and mind - love and faith (knowledge that she is indeed with You) > > > rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: He is swami vishwananda,his ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. > > Llundrub <llundrub wrote: Who was the guru? Take a break from groups and practice what you are able by > yourself for awhile. > > - > "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > <> > Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM > Where is Devi > > > Dear All, > > > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > > mother Lalitha. > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2006 Perfectly said Maha... Regards Dp On 9/11/06, mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: > > I have been wondering lately about why is it that many people appear > in this group that think they know exactly what is good for other > people,that they know only by an internet posting and have never met > in person or talked to. > > There are people who know exactly the right aspect of devi that is > appropriate to a persons welfare, and now you come and you know that > our friend here, will never need a guru. > > How is all that possible ? > > Do you have trikala drishti, do you see all the movement and > direction of the chitta vrittis and vikalpas and vasanas in the karma > record by reading one or two postings? > > Or do you still have problems of your own and maybe it is hard > also for you deciding about the direction your own life should take? > > If the second is true why you think you can guide others? > > My parameshti Guru had trikala drishti, if someone would come in the > room he would know without a word being said what would happen to > that person, and he would tell him his secret desires and plans and > if they would be fruitful or not, he would also know all his problems > and family affairs etc. even if he was a complete stranger and could > advice him on the best course of action. > > Advice about such personal matters as wheter one needs or will meet a > guru or not CAN be given, but only if one has this siddhi that > enables one to clearly see into the future the present and past of a > person. > > If one gives personal advice without this knowledge, about such > specific matters, it is only empty talk, if devi sees fit he will > meet his teacher, that is my opinion. > > How would you know more, except by divine insight into his karma? > > The internet is anonymous and we don´t even know if a posting is > serious or not, some are only meant to spread confusion and doubt, > even if someone had trikala drishti do you think he would use his > power on every posting? Even assuming one of us has that siddhi, > would he post and write whether someone will get the Blessing of Guru > Guidance or not? No what good should this do? > > That someone feels he has been cheated by a Guru is no reason to > doubt the Importance of Guru Tattwa per se, nor that he will never > need, or meet a sincere Guru. > We don´t even know what had happened between his Guru and him. I > remember another person here writing about that a Guru has cursed his > disciple. How do we know what really happened? I found out things > where a little bit different off-list than as described on list. > > Another german poster here a while ago, was similarly dissapointed > in eastern teachings because of what he had witnessed in ashrams, he > wanted to study trika Kaula he also wrote that there is no one in his > country he could learn from. > Strange coincidence. > Now is or was this lack of teachers true or is it only lack of > faith and endurance of effort? > I could clear this doubt,being located in Germany myself i know what > is possible here and what is not, but i don´t feel like it, everybody > can guess. > Bhakti and faith is important, Guru is also important. > Without the one nobody get the other, one is the method second the > result. > > > > > , Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote: > > > > The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self. > > I believe Llundrub gives good advice, practice what you are able > yourself. Don't get stressed out, just chill. Allow Devi to REVEAL > herself, ASK her to, in Love. SHE IS ALREADY WITH YOU DEAREST, you > don't need a Guru you need You ! > > > > I know this sounds tongue in cheek, but please try what I am saying > just once, call Her with your heart and mind - love and faith > (knowledge that she is indeed with You) > > > > > > rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 > wrote: He is swami vishwananda,his > ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. > > > > Llundrub <llundrub wrote: Who was the guru? Take a > break from groups and practice what you are able by > > yourself for awhile. > > > > - > > "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > > <> > > Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM > > Where is Devi > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not > helping me. > > > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money > and > > > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray > to > > > mother Lalitha. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2006 Devi, My 2 cents.. On 9/11/06, NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: > > , "mahahradanatha" > <mahahradanatha wrote: Now is or was this lack of teachers > true > or is it only lack of faith and endurance of effort? I could clear > this doubt,being located in Germany myself i know what is possible > here and what is not, but i don´t feel like it, everybody can guess. > Bhakti and faith is important, Guru is also important. Without the > one > nobody get the other, one is the method second the result. > > > THE SELF says : BUT you see Mahahradanantha. You've already found > your Guru, so its easy for you to say. Perhaps if we see the big picture it may not true. Perhaps Maha had been looking for his guru in all his past lifes when other folks were having fun and then in this birth he found his master. We cant say anything until we know see the big picture. For example it is said that Buddha became Buddha in like couple of days. So why cant I? Again we have to look at the karmic backlog to make a valid judgement. Now as far as finding a guru is concerned till someone hasnt found a "Guru" can consider Shiv or Shakti as her/his guru. Now when praying, you should pray to them 1st as your guru and then as your Deity. That should do it... Bhakti and faith is taking > too long. Ive prayed to DEVI for more than 3 yrs. That's where meditation/sadhana kicks in. In my experiance Bhakti + Faith + Sadhana = wonders. Off course "Bhakti and faith" itself are unrivaled, but the effects of Sahdhans are also fantastic. Though not sure in the begining, now my mataji also agrees to it. To me its long > enough. May be NOT. I have been reciting Gayatri Mantra since "I dont know when". And its now that "Gayatri Mantra" has revealed its ".001%" of itself to me. There are people who understand Gayatri mantra way sooner then me.. but .. you know what I mean. Why have she not respond. Dont tell me I do not have Bhakti > or Faith. I have enough Faith in her. How much more time do I need > to prove to HER that I am very serious about HER. As I have said earlier, perhaps a Sadhana can help. Navarati's are comming. Try something. Perhaps it can help. Yeah! recite the > Khadgamala or the Lalitha Sahasranama you all say, they are very > time consuming. I have to go to work, I have other obligations. I do > not have that much time to spend reciting all these? Time is something that one can make whenever one really wants too.. Its just a matter of wanting. For example if I was told to sit daily for 2 hrs at a given place otherwise I will "Die", trust me I will find time and so will any one else... While I myself is a lazy person, I do know that there is always time.. Why cant SHE > come to me as soon as possible. Answer to this one line can be very length. I will try to shorten it by saying it in the following points... A) It doesnt happen that way. B) I dont know the "why" ... yet.. C) A lot of the times SHE is there but we can't "see" it. Ignorance and the likes, doesnt let us see that. For examples, Its after years when I sit back and look at the past, I can 100% see, that "SHE" was there but I never realised it. D) Slowing down, to take a moment to thanks instead of complaining also helps clarify the situation. I used to do that a lot before, now I try to thank her more often. If SHE is the Divine Mother, why > aint she responding to the cries of HER child. Why SHE respond to > others and not to me? Where are HER promises? Too young to know this one.. Still looking for answeres.. I hope my answeres will help and not create more confusion... Har Har Mahadev. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2006 Dear , i have posted "where is devi" because sincerely i was not well at all.Concerning the guru that i left i can tell you clearly he is cheating people as witness lots of things personally(magic tricks and lots of bad things).I WISH TO TELL YOU THAT THESE PERSONS WHO REPLIED TO MY POST WERE EXTREMELY GENEROUS AND THEY MADE ME SMILE AGAIN AND GAVE ME CONFIDENCE.FOR ME IT WAS CLEARLY A MESSAGE FROM DEVI HERSELF.I THINK YOU DONT NEED TRIKALA DRISTI TO HELP SOMEONE. I WILL CUTIVATE MORE PATIENCE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL MEET MY GURU.AS WE ALL ARE HEr CHILD,AND WHEN A CHILD CRIES ,OUR BELOVED MOTHER SURELY WILL COME.... mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: I have been wondering lately about why is it that many people appear in this group that think they know exactly what is good for other people,that they know only by an internet posting and have never met in person or talked to. There are people who know exactly the right aspect of devi that is appropriate to a persons welfare, and now you come and you know that our friend here, will never need a guru. How is all that possible ? Do you have trikala drishti, do you see all the movement and direction of the chitta vrittis and vikalpas and vasanas in the karma record by reading one or two postings? Or do you still have problems of your own and maybe it is hard also for you deciding about the direction your own life should take? If the second is true why you think you can guide others? My parameshti Guru had trikala drishti, if someone would come in the room he would know without a word being said what would happen to that person, and he would tell him his secret desires and plans and if they would be fruitful or not, he would also know all his problems and family affairs etc. even if he was a complete stranger and could advice him on the best course of action. Advice about such personal matters as wheter one needs or will meet a guru or not CAN be given, but only if one has this siddhi that enables one to clearly see into the future the present and past of a person. If one gives personal advice without this knowledge, about such specific matters, it is only empty talk, if devi sees fit he will meet his teacher, that is my opinion. How would you know more, except by divine insight into his karma? The internet is anonymous and we don´t even know if a posting is serious or not, some are only meant to spread confusion and doubt, even if someone had trikala drishti do you think he would use his power on every posting? Even assuming one of us has that siddhi, would he post and write whether someone will get the Blessing of Guru Guidance or not? No what good should this do? That someone feels he has been cheated by a Guru is no reason to doubt the Importance of Guru Tattwa per se, nor that he will never need, or meet a sincere Guru. We don´t even know what had happened between his Guru and him. I remember another person here writing about that a Guru has cursed his disciple. How do we know what really happened? I found out things where a little bit different off-list than as described on list. Another german poster here a while ago, was similarly dissapointed in eastern teachings because of what he had witnessed in ashrams, he wanted to study trika Kaula he also wrote that there is no one in his country he could learn from. Strange coincidence. Now is or was this lack of teachers true or is it only lack of faith and endurance of effort? I could clear this doubt,being located in Germany myself i know what is possible here and what is not, but i don´t feel like it, everybody can guess. Bhakti and faith is important, Guru is also important. Without the one nobody get the other, one is the method second the result. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self. > I believe Llundrub gives good advice, practice what you are able yourself. Don't get stressed out, just chill. Allow Devi to REVEAL herself, ASK her to, in Love. SHE IS ALREADY WITH YOU DEAREST, you don't need a Guru you need You ! > > I know this sounds tongue in cheek, but please try what I am saying just once, call Her with your heart and mind - love and faith (knowledge that she is indeed with You) > > > rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: He is swami vishwananda,his ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. > > Llundrub <llundrub wrote: Who was the guru? Take a break from groups and practice what you are able by > yourself for awhile. > > - > "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006 > <> > Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM > Where is Devi > > > Dear All, > > > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not helping me. > > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money and > > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray to > > mother Lalitha. > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2006 , rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: > > Dear , > > i have posted "where is devi" because sincerely i was not well at all.Concerning the guru that i left i can tell you clearly he is cheating people as witness lots of things personally(magic tricks and lots of bad things).I WISH TO TELL YOU THAT THESE PERSONS WHO REPLIED TO MY POST WERE EXTREMELY GENEROUS AND THEY MADE ME SMILE AGAIN AND GAVE ME CONFIDENCE.FOR ME IT WAS CLEARLY A MESSAGE FROM DEVI HERSELF.I THINK YOU DONT NEED TRIKALA DRISTI TO HELP SOMEONE. I WILL CUTIVATE MORE PATIENCE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL MEET MY GURU.AS WE ALL ARE HEr CHILD,AND WHEN A CHILD CRIES ,OUR BELOVED MOTHER SURELY WILL COME.... > The Self says : NOT true. I fall and hurt myself, The Mother never comes. She just stand there and watch me. I cried for HER and held out my hand, and SHE just said : get up on your own child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2006 , rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: > > Dear , > > i have posted "where is devi" because sincerely i was not well at all.Concerning the guru that i left i can tell you clearly he is cheating people as witness lots of things personally(magic tricks and lots of bad things). Perhaps the first thing you must do is to stop going around telling bad things about your former Guru even if its true. You have left him and move on... and that is what you should do. A traveller who keeps on looking back instead of looking forward will eventually fall off the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2006 I am sorry and i apologize that i write so bad english that you did not understands my posting: There are things of interest to me on this list and things i am not so much interested in. You misunderstand me if you think i was commenting on your post or if my comment has had anything to do with you. i was in my post only referring to a general trend in this list using the comment in one of the answers: "The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self." as an illustration about a current development in this list i dislike. Please feel free to love all the answers and feel good about them. I do not have the slightest inclination to disturb you or educate you or comment on you or your situation in any way. , rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: > > Dear , > > i have posted "where is devi" because sincerely i was not well at all.Concerning the guru that i left i can tell you clearly he is cheating people as witness lots of things personally(magic tricks and lots of bad things).I WISH TO TELL YOU THAT THESE PERSONS WHO REPLIED TO MY POST WERE EXTREMELY GENEROUS AND THEY MADE ME SMILE AGAIN AND GAVE ME CONFIDENCE.FOR ME IT WAS CLEARLY A MESSAGE FROM DEVI HERSELF.I THINK YOU DONT NEED TRIKALA DRISTI TO HELP SOMEONE. I WILL CUTIVATE MORE PATIENCE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL MEET MY GURU.AS WE ALL ARE HEr CHILD,AND WHEN A CHILD CRIES ,OUR BELOVED MOTHER SURELY WILL COME.... > > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: > I have been wondering lately about why is it that many people appear > in this group that think they know exactly what is good for other > people,that they know only by an internet posting and have never met > in person or talked to. > > There are people who know exactly the right aspect of devi that is > appropriate to a persons welfare, and now you come and you know that > our friend here, will never need a guru. > > How is all that possible ? > > Do you have trikala drishti, do you see all the movement and > direction of the chitta vrittis and vikalpas and vasanas in the karma > record by reading one or two postings? > > Or do you still have problems of your own and maybe it is hard > also for you deciding about the direction your own life should take? > > If the second is true why you think you can guide others? > > My parameshti Guru had trikala drishti, if someone would come in the > room he would know without a word being said what would happen to > that person, and he would tell him his secret desires and plans and > if they would be fruitful or not, he would also know all his problems > and family affairs etc. even if he was a complete stranger and could > advice him on the best course of action. > > Advice about such personal matters as wheter one needs or will meet a > guru or not CAN be given, but only if one has this siddhi that > enables one to clearly see into the future the present and past of a > person. > > If one gives personal advice without this knowledge, about such > specific matters, it is only empty talk, if devi sees fit he will > meet his teacher, that is my opinion. > > How would you know more, except by divine insight into his karma? > > The internet is anonymous and we don´t even know if a posting is > serious or not, some are only meant to spread confusion and doubt, > even if someone had trikala drishti do you think he would use his > power on every posting? Even assuming one of us has that siddhi, > would he post and write whether someone will get the Blessing of Guru > Guidance or not? No what good should this do? > > That someone feels he has been cheated by a Guru is no reason to > doubt the Importance of Guru Tattwa per se, nor that he will never > need, or meet a sincere Guru. > We don´t even know what had happened between his Guru and him. I > remember another person here writing about that a Guru has cursed his > disciple. How do we know what really happened? I found out things > where a little bit different off-list than as described on list. > > Another german poster here a while ago, was similarly dissapointed > in eastern teachings because of what he had witnessed in ashrams, he > wanted to study trika Kaula he also wrote that there is no one in his > country he could learn from. > Strange coincidence. > Now is or was this lack of teachers true or is it only lack of > faith and endurance of effort? > I could clear this doubt,being located in Germany myself i know what > is possible here and what is not, but i don´t feel like it, everybody > can guess. > Bhakti and faith is important, Guru is also important. > Without the one nobody get the other, one is the method second the > result. > > , Vir Rawlley <redderred@> > wrote: > > > > The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self. > > I believe Llundrub gives good advice, practice what you are able > yourself. Don't get stressed out, just chill. Allow Devi to REVEAL > herself, ASK her to, in Love. SHE IS ALREADY WITH YOU DEAREST, you > don't need a Guru you need You ! > > > > I know this sounds tongue in cheek, but please try what I am saying > just once, call Her with your heart and mind - love and faith > (knowledge that she is indeed with You) > > > > > > rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006@> > wrote: He is swami vishwananda,his > ashram is based is germany and he is fully copying satya sai baba. > > > > Llundrub <llundrub@> wrote: Who was the guru? Take a > break from groups and practice what you are able by > > yourself for awhile. > > > > - > > "divinesoul2006" <divinesoul2006@> > > <> > > Friday, September 08, 2006 9:46 AM > > Where is Devi > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I wish to express my problems and unfortunately Devi is not > helping me. > > > I was following a Guru who was a charlatan and i lost my money > and > > > lots of my time.I left him because he was telling me not to pray > to > > > mother Lalitha. > > > > > > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 Dear Mahahradanatha :-) Devi saw fit, hence my response. I stand by it. I know that Devi is with all of us, and that the true Guru is our higher self - the Paratma. I do not down-play the importance of the external Guru, however if our friend here is unable to "relate" to this "external Guru" and feels cut-off from Devi, its sad. I respond on what I understand from the posting of our friends on SS, without imagining negative motives. If you do not like it, then it is your issue, and you have said your piece too. A bit rude and personal with insinuations like " Or do you still have problems of your own and maybe it is hard also for you deciding about the direction your own life should take? " It's okay. I Love You all the more for this, I really do :-) With all my Love, Vir mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: I have been wondering lately about why is it that many people appear in this group that think they know exactly what is good for other people,that they know only by an internet posting and have never met in person or talked to. There are people who know exactly the right aspect of devi that is appropriate to a persons welfare, and now you come and you know that our friend here, will never need a guru. How is all that possible ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 Yes Sweet Nora, Yes !!! NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: , rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: > > Dear , > > i have posted "where is devi" because sincerely i was not well at all.Concerning the guru that i left i can tell you clearly he is cheating people as witness lots of things personally(magic tricks and lots of bad things).I WISH TO TELL YOU THAT THESE PERSONS WHO REPLIED TO MY POST WERE EXTREMELY GENEROUS AND THEY MADE ME SMILE AGAIN AND GAVE ME CONFIDENCE.FOR ME IT WAS CLEARLY A MESSAGE FROM DEVI HERSELF.I THINK YOU DONT NEED TRIKALA DRISTI TO HELP SOMEONE. I WILL CUTIVATE MORE PATIENCE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL MEET MY GURU.AS WE ALL ARE HEr CHILD,AND WHEN A CHILD CRIES ,OUR BELOVED MOTHER SURELY WILL COME.... > The Self says : NOT true. I fall and hurt myself, The Mother never comes. She just stand there and watch me. I cried for HER and held out my hand, and SHE just said : get up on your own child. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 I'm sure he is rid of that negativity NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: , rudra seerhu <divinesoul2006 wrote: > > Dear , > > i have posted "where is devi" because sincerely i was not well at all.Concerning the guru that i left i can tell you clearly he is cheating people as witness lots of things personally(magic tricks and lots of bad things). Perhaps the first thing you must do is to stop going around telling bad things about your former Guru even if its true. You have left him and move on... and that is what you should do. A traveller who keeps on looking back instead of looking forward will eventually fall off the road. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 Would you not agree that everything is Devi ? So what is there to dislike ? mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: I am sorry and i apologize that i write so bad english that you did not understands my posting: There are things of interest to me on this list and things i am not so much interested in. You misunderstand me if you think i was commenting on your post or if my comment has had anything to do with you. i was in my post only referring to a general trend in this list using the comment in one of the answers: "The only Guru you will ever need is Your Self." as an illustration about a current development in this list i dislike. Please feel free to love all the answers and feel good about them. I do not have the slightest inclination to disturb you or educate you or comment on you or your situation in any way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 Post Smriti texts and belief systems, (commonly referred to as tantra) are extremely diverse. Some claim to predate Veda or whatever, however the idea here is that they express their ideology being different from the Vedic system (i.e. not of the Vedic system). A good example is Trika. It is primarily the Vedic/Vedantic that stress on the Guru, this also becomes inherent in Smriti and most sampradaya works. Certain yogic schools, "tantric" or mantric schools hold that the Guru, albeit is important, is not essential (at least at the preliminary stage). Now if you are to sit an exam in math, you will require a teacher to guide you through the coursework. They essentially are aware of what is to come and have a good idea about your standing when it comes to the exam (thus they are your teacher). The same analogy can be given in spiritual aspiration. You as the individual do not know with a lot of confidence where you will be in 5 months (with respect to achievement in your given sadhana). Your teacher/guru may. That is where a Guru becomes important. However, referring back to the previous analogy, if you are capable of self study and have the required discipline then you can venture into the exam and perform it successfully without the aid of a teacher (perse). However such individuals are rare. These things depend on your make and generalizations (particularly the in the subjective field of spirituality) will most commonly have deviations. Meru Tantra is a good example. It is I think of Lakshmidhara who claimed Devi Rajarajeshwari herself blessed him with that scripture and that it can be used as the exclusive guru to attain whatever it is that lakshmidhara himself was after. Mukti? I say a Guru is important. It is my personal belief as I think I do not have the capacity required of an independant aspirant. The laziness is too profound. __ On 7 Check out PS Trixi - The hot new online adventure http://www.trixi.com.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Dear Mahahradanatha :-) > > Devi saw fit, hence my response. I stand by it. Dear Vir, Do you really think you are fit to give advice and help and devi is inspiring this? Was it also devi that saw fit to give the response and advice to Nora in the postings: /message/23886 /message/23885 Again my question: Are you really in a postion to give advice. You sound like you think you are enlightened? maybe Self realised? Inspired by Devi? like so many people lately think... If this is so, now is the time for you to make a reality check. because this was far from being inspired- you did not even understand the intent of Noras posting, you seriously belived that she talked about her own feelings. Beliveing that the self can become realised is one of the great traps of spirituality and religion. I don´t care if you pass beyond that obstacle or not,like i said it i only dislike the trend that people unfit for it give guru advice on this list it makes me feel bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 ---This is pretty much the essence of mahamudra. > Would you not agree that everything is Devi ? > > So what is there to dislike ? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 15, 2006 Vir Rawlley wrote: Dear Mahahradanatha :-) Devi saw fit, hence my response. I stand by it. mahahradanatha wrote: Dear Vir, Do you really think you are fit to give advice and help and devi is inspiring this? Was it also devi that saw fit to give the response and advice to Nora in the postings: /message/23886 /message/23885 Again my question: Are you really in a postion to give advice. You sound like you think you are enlightened? maybe Self realised? Inspired by Devi? like so many people lately think... If this is so, now is the time for you to make a reality check. because this was far from being inspired- you did not even understand the intent of Noras posting, you seriously belived that she talked about her own feelings.Beliveing that the self can become realised is one of the great traps of spirituality and religion. I don´t care if you pass beyond that obstacle or not,like i said it i only dislike the trend that people unfit for it give guru advice on this list it makes me feel bad. Thank you mahahradanatha for your response to my posting on the War of the Self. Yes! you are right, those are not my feelings but of the many feelings ive received via the chat lines from some members of SS, and what scares me most is they expect me to find answers to their questions when I have none. One particular person admit that he have a problem : that is he likes to flirt around and wants me to help him to cure it. Maybe its just an excuse or a mockery. But such things makes me wonder about a lot of things. Thank you once again. I really appreciate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 17, 2006 NMadasamy" <nmadasamy wrote: > > Thank you mahahradanatha for your response to my posting on the War > of the Self. Yes! you are right, those are not my feelings but of > the many feelings ive received via the chat lines from some members > of SS, and what scares me most is they expect me to find answers to > their questions when I have none. One particular person admit that > he have a problem : that is he likes to flirt around and wants me to > help him to cure it. Maybe its just an excuse or a mockery. But such > things makes me wonder about a lot of things. > > Thank you once again. I really appreciate it. > I am glad you appreciate my intervention, i was not shure if it would be the right course of action. Just the other day while i was browsing through the Devi Mahatmyam and just in that moment i was wondering if my response to the Question of the Self made any sense at all, and i had doubt if my response maybe was too short and needed further comment, looking at the way the story began and ended, i noticed the difference between the "questions and doubts and desires of the self" and the questions doubts and desires of the Merchant and the King. "The Self" is egocentric it has no doubt at all about the Importance of itself, the genuiness or Validity of his emotions and experiences. Sometimes this even Self already has a precise idea about what his problem is and what goal it wants to achieve with your help, sometimes it even knows exactly what you must do to help him. All the self wants is a servant and that for free. a Self like this frequently visits the places where the "self realised" gather because he can be shure to find some "self realised Guru" who waits to serve his needs. Of course ignorance attachment and delusion only thickens on the receiving as well as the giving end. There are some serious setbacks if one decides to answer calls like this, let me give an example : If the self wants a new job AND a win in the lottery, he will get very angry with you when after your prayers and blessing he will only find a job, and he will curse you if the job is not as good as the last one, he was fired from and will tell everybody what a bad person you are for bewitching him to suffer in this bad job. Of course in such a serious case of "Self" no help can be offered. The only remedy for doubts and desires arising out of illusion is discernment, sometimes heroic attempts to attack the fortress of this self by battering against the foundation , which is the invalid question itself, is most of the times not sucessful, help can most of the time only be given when awareness of the inavalidity has dawnend on the person. Like if someone suffering from fever fell asleep in day time is waking up in a dark night beliving he is blind because all around him is dark you try to tell him his eyes are o.k. he might nonetheless tell you: i cannot see heal my eyes. The Merchant and the King have a different attitude, by Discrimination they not only found out that their desires, doubts, emotions and experiences are invalid, caused by wrong thought constructs and Illusions and attachment, but that they need help from a sage to understand the causes and origin of their delusion. That is why their doubts could by solved by the story the Rishis told them, and because of this self Awareness,in the end they began their Sadhana. That way both could receive their respective boons, since she is bhukti mukti pradayini there was no difference whether their goals where worldly achivements or spiritual perfections. Without first hand having the knowledge that one is entangled in delusions and want to understand why, how could sadhana be sucessful? Many people like to skip the first step because it hurts. But taking the last step before the first, that only by talking on the Internet about the high end stuff, Kundalini, Mahamudra, about Non duality, Advaita, and other high realisations will cause one by itself to progress any further towards that goal, is as childish as to believe that if someone could by putting a paper crown on his head become a king in the end. I hope that maybe now my proposal that in a situation of complete delusion a person can be brought back to the awareness of reality by the advice to reduce his life to simplicity, Satisfaction of real vital desires raises awareness so tht the difference between worrys about artifical delusions that do only exist in imagination,and things that do exist and are valid, can develop.Becoming aware that one of the forms of devi is the hunger in men and another the satisfaction of hunger may cause discrimination between valid desires and artifical constructs. This could be a first step towards discrimnation, and this again lead to the desire to consult with the sages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
