Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Yes, Rishi ji. I rephrase - In my opinion.... I am talking about general issues..exceptions will always be there in all systems. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > rishi_2000in > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: help please... > > Strong words, Prafullaji. > Just one suggestion, when you say, > " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >> unproductive race." > Say, it is your perception or opinion. > There is a world of difference between these words. > regards > rishi > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > >> Dear members >> >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness >> does not affect my proud feeling. >> >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >> unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify >> others for our non performance (we are dishonest to >> ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to >> hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason >> for our poor performance is our unproductivity in >> all sectors - government, private sector, technology >> adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, >> chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find >> face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too >> in world war, but they managed to progress...just >> for their productivity. >> >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are >> not going to help. It is the productive work, which >> determines the final outcome. Let us name one >> profession, where we are honest and productive. We >> have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well >> (IT is the best example - where our services are >> monitored by non indian IT professionals and we >> comply to their standards, else we will always find >> reason for self appeasement). >> >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, >> how unproductive we are, if not monitored / >> demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for >> my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, >> i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to >> please anyone. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, >> for what seeing and what not seeing." >> >> >>> >>> panditarjun2004 >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 >>> >>> Re: help please... >>> >>> dear bhaskarji >>> >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or >> participate actively >>> in various net groups is only because they get >> some belongingness >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on >> them in this mythical >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to >> say they miss most >>> of these in their real lives. >>> >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that >> if you want >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. >> make others happy. >>> >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only >> one thing. india >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it >> has welcomed all >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and >> take away as much >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their >> countries. religion after >>> religion, country after country invaded india and >> they continue to >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, >> zimbabwian, south african or >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted >> these countries. >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan >> come on their >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in >> the US and >>> started invading various countries is known to >> all. french too set >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing >> countries. india was >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and >> divisions based on >>> religion. >>> >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted >> by the british) is >>> most sought after by the entire world and they >> project india in the >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>> >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving >> end be it material >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud >> of being an indian >>> and praise this great country that withstood >> centuries of invasions >>> and still going strong. >>> >>> with best wishes >>> pandit arjun >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all >> religions but many >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by >> stealing the wealth >>> of other countries) >>> >>> , >> "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Haizen, >>>> >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>> This world has become very much >> materialistic,specially India. >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most >> would be looking >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, >> because they are already >>>> full there with the latter(General >> statement).Here we have not >>> seen >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming >> full and searching >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences >> and traditional >>> bring >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has >> remained, but the 70's >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently >> after 35years. With >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever >> nook and corner, >>> pubs >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, >> discos all around >>>> open full night.liberisation of media >> broadcasting,boozing openly >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh >> areas too,easy >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and >> availibility of money >>> too >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as >> they are >>> academically >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing >> good pay checks >>> due >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is >> available freely >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this >> isleading to >>> flamboyant >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one >> is having >>> hightech >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending >> evenings in some >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>> Amongst all this, >>>> People like me, little older not matching with >> high academic >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing >> jobs such as >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or >> say third stage , >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to >> the happennings >>>> around staying put at home or office without >> loosening out pockets >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the >> brunt because >>> though >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with >> whom we are living >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any >> retrospection.. >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, >> its the men who >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is >> limited, to >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the >> problems start >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most >> middle class >>> families >>>> in India today. >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he >> worth ? or why is he >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not >> allow any type >>>> of harakiri in business or professional >> activities , he is left >>>> to creating only limited. >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 dear prafullaji all your observations, albeit personal, are factually correct in the corporate sense. but in historical perspective, these facts are based on the following: 1. treta yuga and dwapara yuga happened in india only and at that time too indians only lived, not in lethargy nor like slaves. 2. before the invasion of india by various muslim emporers, india was a huge kingdom with all small kingdoms living happily, neither lethargy nor slave mentality. 3. when the moguls conquered india by butchering crores of indians, the leftover children were petrified with shock and were born and brought up and spent their entire life in working as coolies to demolish temples and build big palaces for the luxuries of the emperors. there were so many gruesome stories how crores of people were subjected to slavery by force and most of them converted to islam to save their lives. 4. the next invaders in line (ustadon ka ustad) britishers uprooted moghuls and they killed ever higher number of people than the moghuls and subjected indians to further slavery. yes due to these draconian forcible subjugation of slavery, indians have developed so much slave mentality that to protect their lives from the invaders, they do anything under slavery. all great monuments in this country were built by indians only and not the invaders who enjoyed kinglike comforts. it is a different matter that once a king becomes a fugitive when an even bigger thief comes. for example, kohinoor was with raja ranjitji and was looted by ghajni and taken to iran. then brought back from iran to india by babar and adorned various moghuls with the last one running away with it and was caught by the british who started adorning it in thier queen's crowns generation after generation. if the queen of britain had the courage to visit jalianwallabagh and write her apologies there, she shall have the equal heart to return this gem of all gems. people in delhi know the story behind tees hazari (sacrifice of 30 thousand lives). yes, for centuries generations after generations were butchered by the invaders and were made to live like slaves and even after independence, the country has fought four wars with its neighbours and spent most part of its GDP in protecting this leftover land and is still spending most part of GDP just for the security of this country. yes, with all this backdrop, indians are truly lethargic because we dont resist the invaders. we are slaves because we dont want to propogate or expand our religion or land and surrender meekly to all invaders. all the above are not my personal opinions but facts as per hisotry books including the government gazette. with best wishes pandit arjun (under the edge of a sword by moghuls and gun by british, indians either sacrificed their lives or have become slaves) , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Yes, Rishi ji. I rephrase - In my opinion.... > > I am talking about general issues..exceptions will always be there in all systems. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > rishi_2000in > > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: help please... > > > > Strong words, Prafullaji. > > Just one suggestion, when you say, > > " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > >> unproductive race." > > Say, it is your perception or opinion. > > There is a world of difference between these words. > > regards > > rishi > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > >> Dear members > >> > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness > >> does not affect my proud feeling. > >> > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > >> unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify > >> others for our non performance (we are dishonest to > >> ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to > >> hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > >> for our poor performance is our unproductivity in > >> all sectors - government, private sector, technology > >> adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, > >> chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find > >> face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too > >> in world war, but they managed to progress...just > >> for their productivity. > >> > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are > >> not going to help. It is the productive work, which > >> determines the final outcome. Let us name one > >> profession, where we are honest and productive. We > >> have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well > >> (IT is the best example - where our services are > >> monitored by non indian IT professionals and we > >> comply to their standards, else we will always find > >> reason for self appeasement). > >> > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, > >> how unproductive we are, if not monitored / > >> demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for > >> my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, > >> i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to > >> please anyone. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, > >> for what seeing and what not seeing." > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004 > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: help please... > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or > >> participate actively > >>> in various net groups is only because they get > >> some belongingness > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on > >> them in this mythical > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to > >> say they miss most > >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that > >> if you want > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. > >> make others happy. > >>> > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only > >> one thing. india > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it > >> has welcomed all > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and > >> take away as much > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their > >> countries. religion after > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and > >> they continue to > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, > >> zimbabwian, south african or > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted > >> these countries. > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan > >> come on their > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in > >> the US and > >>> started invading various countries is known to > >> all. french too set > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing > >> countries. india was > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and > >> divisions based on > >>> religion. > >>> > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted > >> by the british) is > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they > >> project india in the > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving > >> end be it material > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud > >> of being an indian > >>> and praise this great country that withstood > >> centuries of invasions > >>> and still going strong. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all > >> religions but many > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by > >> stealing the wealth > >>> of other countries) > >>> > >>> , > >> "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>>> This world has become very much > >> materialistic,specially India. > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most > >> would be looking > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, > >> because they are already > >>>> full there with the latter(General > >> statement).Here we have not > >>> seen > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming > >> full and searching > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences > >> and traditional > >>> bring > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has > >> remained, but the 70's > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently > >> after 35years. With > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever > >> nook and corner, > >>> pubs > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, > >> discos all around > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media > >> broadcasting,boozing openly > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh > >> areas too,easy > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and > >> availibility of money > >>> too > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as > >> they are > >>> academically > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing > >> good pay checks > >>> due > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is > >> available freely > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this > >> isleading to > >>> flamboyant > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one > >> is having > >>> hightech > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending > >> evenings in some > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>>> Amongst all this, > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with > >> high academic > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing > >> jobs such as > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or > >> say third stage , > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to > >> the happennings > >>>> around staying put at home or office without > >> loosening out pockets > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the > >> brunt because > >>> though > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with > >> whom we are living > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > >> retrospection.. > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, > >> its the men who > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is > >> limited, to > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the > >> problems start > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most > >> middle class > >>> families > >>>> in India today. > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he > >> worth ? or why is he > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not > >> allow any type > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional > >> activities , he is left > >>>> to creating only limited. > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 dear mr.Prafulla, U have given a generalised statement based on govt sectors, but the productivity is good in a private sector and think about the productivity in the agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self sufficient in food grain production, but the society is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist there, because the employees are paid well which is not the case in our country and even the so called MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in their own countries. we should get ourselves released from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness community and very bad employers then only we will see subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Gopu, The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between political powers and mafia Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all benefits received from Government. Government public servants like police not given good salary, hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service to surviving family members. So how will the country progress?. That is why all business men look for the private and corporate sectors to come up . You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. regards/Bhaskar. , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear mr.Prafulla, > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > sector and think about the productivity in the > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > there, because the employees are paid well which is > not the case in our country and even the so called > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > community and very bad employers then only we will see > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Gopu, agriculture is the worst reality of India Americans said if we had this kind of land fertile to near fertile] we will feed the world a few times over. the most misused and and underused agro resources, we don;t select the right crop for the region, nor use the right techniques be it traditional or modern the use of indiscriminate levels of fertilizers has hurt out Waters table so bad esp. Panjab, AP, kerala if u find Pepsi, Coke polluted so till is the groundwater, milk , food grains there. agriculture breeds the worst goondas people who divert water by force and deprive other weaklings ones acquire more lands and wealth no tax on them, and such gondas are our elected leaders what can be better said rest are city criminals. to feed such insects, work under such undeserving masters we are sued to lethargy and also associate in some corruption, giving or taking. good old day farmers used to rise by 4/30 5 be in the farm today they come after 9, they have breaks and also leave by 5 can u cultivate profitable with such a labor force, I have been to villages since child hood and enjoyed that life now I find it painful we still have some land and cultivate too and get pittance of it. if w plant cash crops and see that we pay the regular income to they destroy it and use it as firewood and they rice cultivation is swallowed by them, in spite of being around for most major times there. sleeping during harvest in the fields. WE GET LEADERS WE DESERVE. WILL WE AVOID PAYING A BRIBE AND PAY A TRAFFIC violation will we wait in a queue and wait for our turn or pay some or get a letter and move ahead than ones without it? will we not use someones good office for a site or a favor? if yes then how can we claim we are sincere, honest etc low level curruption=easy money so lathergy, the DNA of such people breed this apart from What Pt Arjun said generations of slavery, intellectual too. more later K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: dear mr.Prafulla, U have given a generalised statement based on govt sectors, but the productivity is good in a private sector and think about the productivity in the agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self sufficient in food grain production, but the society is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist there, because the employees are paid well which is not the case in our country and even the so called MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in their own countries. we should get ourselves released from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness community and very bad employers then only we will see subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. with good wishes, k.gopu Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Gopu, I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has writte. I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form of Excise, Sales,Income,profession Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks we could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have been moved by their plight had he seen their state. This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough for sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for their rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low bred people rule us. regards/Bhaskar. , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Gopu, > > The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > political powers and mafia > Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > benefits received from Government. > Government public servants like police not given good salary, > hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > to surviving family members. > So how will the country progress?. > That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > sectors to come up . > You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > dear mr.Prafulla, > > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > > sector and think about the productivity in the > > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > > there, because the employees are paid well which is > > not the case in our country and even the so called > > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > > community and very bad employers then only we will see > > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > > > with good wishes, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 ll HARE RAM ll Dear friends, It is quite easier to say,we proud to be Indian but do we have any other option except to say so? Can we say to be proud of American? We must try to do good karma strongly so that our country too might do proud to us.In fact we found our freedom in quite easy way as some peaceful movements of Gandhi ji and few but true sacrifices of Sardar Bhagat singh Chandrashekhar Azad,Subhash Chand Bose and others in comparison to Volshevic revolution of Russia in which lakhs of persons leaved thier lives. Therefore we are unable to valuate this. God bless Shashie Shekhar Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Yes, Rishi ji. I rephrase - In my opinion.... I am talking about general issues..exceptions will always be there in all systems. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > rishi_2000in > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: help please... > > Strong words, Prafullaji. > Just one suggestion, when you say, > " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >> unproductive race." > Say, it is your perception or opinion. > There is a world of difference between these words. > regards > rishi > > --- Prafulla Gang wrote: > >> Dear members >> >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness >> does not affect my proud feeling. >> >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >> unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify >> others for our non performance (we are dishonest to >> ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to >> hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason >> for our poor performance is our unproductivity in >> all sectors - government, private sector, technology >> adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, >> chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find >> face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too >> in world war, but they managed to progress...just >> for their productivity. >> >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are >> not going to help. It is the productive work, which >> determines the final outcome. Let us name one >> profession, where we are honest and productive. We >> have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well >> (IT is the best example - where our services are >> monitored by non indian IT professionals and we >> comply to their standards, else we will always find >> reason for self appeasement). >> >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, >> how unproductive we are, if not monitored / >> demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for >> my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, >> i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to >> please anyone. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, >> for what seeing and what not seeing." >> >> >>> >>> panditarjun2004 >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 >>> >>> Re: help please... >>> >>> dear bhaskarji >>> >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or >> participate actively >>> in various net groups is only because they get >> some belongingness >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on >> them in this mythical >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to >> say they miss most >>> of these in their real lives. >>> >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that >> if you want >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. >> make others happy. >>> >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only >> one thing. india >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it >> has welcomed all >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and >> take away as much >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their >> countries. religion after >>> religion, country after country invaded india and >> they continue to >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, >> zimbabwian, south african or >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted >> these countries. >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan >> come on their >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in >> the US and >>> started invading various countries is known to >> all. french too set >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing >> countries. india was >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and >> divisions based on >>> religion. >>> >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted >> by the british) is >>> most sought after by the entire world and they >> project india in the >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>> >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving >> end be it material >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud >> of being an indian >>> and praise this great country that withstood >> centuries of invasions >>> and still going strong. >>> >>> with best wishes >>> pandit arjun >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all >> religions but many >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by >> stealing the wealth >>> of other countries) >>> >>> , >> "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Haizen, >>>> >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>> This world has become very much >> materialistic,specially India. >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most >> would be looking >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, >> because they are already >>>> full there with the latter(General >> statement).Here we have not >>> seen >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming >> full and searching >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences >> and traditional >>> bring >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has >> remained, but the 70's >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently >> after 35years. With >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever >> nook and corner, >>> pubs >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, >> discos all around >>>> open full night.liberisation of media >> broadcasting,boozing openly >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh >> areas too,easy >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and >> availibility of money >>> too >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as >> they are >>> academically >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing >> good pay checks >>> due >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is >> available freely >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this >> isleading to >>> flamboyant >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one >> is having >>> hightech >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending >> evenings in some >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>> Amongst all this, >>>> People like me, little older not matching with >> high academic >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing >> jobs such as >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or >> say third stage , >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to >> the happennings >>>> around staying put at home or office without >> loosening out pockets >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the >> brunt because >>> though >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with >> whom we are living >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any >> retrospection.. >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, >> its the men who >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is >> limited, to >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the >> problems start >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most >> middle class >>> families >>>> in India today. >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he >> worth ? or why is he >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not >> allow any type >>>> of harakiri in business or professional >> activities , he is left >>>> to creating only limited. >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 SHRI SASHIE SAHAB, RAM RAM Sau sunar ki aur ek lohar ki. Sir we do not have any other choice. Indian India ki hi baat karega........... regards/Bhaskar. , shashi shekhar sharma <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear friends, > It is quite easier to say,we proud to be Indian but do we have any other option except to say so? Can we say to be proud of American? We must try to do good karma strongly so that our country too might do proud to us.In fact we found our freedom in quite easy way as some peaceful movements of Gandhi ji and few but true sacrifices of Sardar Bhagat singh > Chandrashekhar Azad,Subhash Chand Bose and others in comparison to Volshevic revolution of Russia in which lakhs of persons leaved thier lives. > Therefore we are unable to valuate this. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Yes, Rishi ji. I rephrase - In my opinion.... > > I am talking about general issues..exceptions will always be there in all systems. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > rishi_2000in > > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: help please... > > > > Strong words, Prafullaji. > > Just one suggestion, when you say, > > " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > >> unproductive race." > > Say, it is your perception or opinion. > > There is a world of difference between these words. > > regards > > rishi > > > > --- Prafulla Gang wrote: > > > >> Dear members > >> > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness > >> does not affect my proud feeling. > >> > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > >> unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify > >> others for our non performance (we are dishonest to > >> ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to > >> hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > >> for our poor performance is our unproductivity in > >> all sectors - government, private sector, technology > >> adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, > >> chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find > >> face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too > >> in world war, but they managed to progress...just > >> for their productivity. > >> > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are > >> not going to help. It is the productive work, which > >> determines the final outcome. Let us name one > >> profession, where we are honest and productive. We > >> have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well > >> (IT is the best example - where our services are > >> monitored by non indian IT professionals and we > >> comply to their standards, else we will always find > >> reason for self appeasement). > >> > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, > >> how unproductive we are, if not monitored / > >> demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for > >> my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, > >> i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to > >> please anyone. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, > >> for what seeing and what not seeing." > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004 > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: help please... > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or > >> participate actively > >>> in various net groups is only because they get > >> some belongingness > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on > >> them in this mythical > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to > >> say they miss most > >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that > >> if you want > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. > >> make others happy. > >>> > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only > >> one thing. india > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it > >> has welcomed all > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and > >> take away as much > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their > >> countries. religion after > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and > >> they continue to > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, > >> zimbabwian, south african or > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted > >> these countries. > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan > >> come on their > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in > >> the US and > >>> started invading various countries is known to > >> all. french too set > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing > >> countries. india was > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and > >> divisions based on > >>> religion. > >>> > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted > >> by the british) is > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they > >> project india in the > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving > >> end be it material > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud > >> of being an indian > >>> and praise this great country that withstood > >> centuries of invasions > >>> and still going strong. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all > >> religions but many > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by > >> stealing the wealth > >>> of other countries) > >>> > >>> , > >> "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>>> This world has become very much > >> materialistic,specially India. > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most > >> would be looking > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, > >> because they are already > >>>> full there with the latter(General > >> statement).Here we have not > >>> seen > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming > >> full and searching > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences > >> and traditional > >>> bring > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has > >> remained, but the 70's > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently > >> after 35years. With > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever > >> nook and corner, > >>> pubs > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, > >> discos all around > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media > >> broadcasting,boozing openly > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh > >> areas too,easy > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and > >> availibility of money > >>> too > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as > >> they are > >>> academically > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing > >> good pay checks > >>> due > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is > >> available freely > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this > >> isleading to > >>> flamboyant > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one > >> is having > >>> hightech > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending > >> evenings in some > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>>> Amongst all this, > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with > >> high academic > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing > >> jobs such as > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or > >> say third stage , > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to > >> the happennings > >>>> around staying put at home or office without > >> loosening out pockets > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the > >> brunt because > >>> though > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with > >> whom we are living > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > >> retrospection.. > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, > >> its the men who > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is > >> limited, to > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the > >> problems start > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most > >> middle class > >>> families > >>>> in India today. > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he > >> worth ? or why is he > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not > >> allow any type > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional > >> activities , he is left > >>>> to creating only limited. > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Shri Sharma ji Yes, You are right. We do not have choice. But we have sense of belonging to the country. Yes, we are not able to valuate the sacrifice of freedom fighters; But freedom movement was not required, had we not allowed Britishers / Mughals to rule the country. In indian chart, our national characteristic must be reflecting !!! regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > polite_astro > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: help please... > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear friends, > It is quite easier to say,we proud to be Indian but do we have any > other option except to say so? Can we say to be proud of American? We > must try to do good karma strongly so that our country too might do proud > to us.In fact we found our freedom in quite easy way as some peaceful > movements of Gandhi ji and few but true sacrifices of Sardar Bhagat singh > Chandrashekhar Azad,Subhash Chand Bose and others in comparison to > Volshevic revolution of Russia in which lakhs of persons leaved thier > lives. > Therefore we are unable to valuate this. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Yes, Rishi ji. I rephrase - In my opinion.... > > I am talking about general issues..exceptions will always be there in all > systems. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and > what not seeing." > > >> >> rishi_2000in >> Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) >> >> RE: Re: help please... >> >> Strong words, Prafullaji. >> Just one suggestion, when you say, >> " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >>> unproductive race." >> Say, it is your perception or opinion. >> There is a world of difference between these words. >> regards >> rishi >> >> --- Prafulla Gang wrote: >> >>> Dear members >>> >>> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness >>> does not affect my proud feeling. >>> >>> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >>> unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify >>> others for our non performance (we are dishonest to >>> ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to >>> hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason >>> for our poor performance is our unproductivity in >>> all sectors - government, private sector, technology >>> adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, >>> chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find >>> face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too >>> in world war, but they managed to progress...just >>> for their productivity. >>> >>> All these past glories, our great culture etc are >>> not going to help. It is the productive work, which >>> determines the final outcome. Let us name one >>> profession, where we are honest and productive. We >>> have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well >>> (IT is the best example - where our services are >>> monitored by non indian IT professionals and we >>> comply to their standards, else we will always find >>> reason for self appeasement). >>> >>> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, >>> how unproductive we are, if not monitored / >>> demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for >>> my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, >>> i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to >>> please anyone. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >>> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, >>> for what seeing and what not seeing." >>> >>> >>>> >>>> panditarjun2004 >>>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 >>>> >>>> Re: help please... >>>> >>>> dear bhaskarji >>>> >>>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or >>> participate actively >>>> in various net groups is only because they get >>> some belongingness >>>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on >>> them in this mythical >>>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to >>> say they miss most >>>> of these in their real lives. >>>> >>>> but the first principle of karma theory says that >>> if you want >>>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. >>> make others happy. >>>> >>>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only >>> one thing. india >>>> remained poor in material wealth only because it >>> has welcomed all >>>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and >>> take away as much >>>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their >>> countries. religion after >>>> religion, country after country invaded india and >>> they continue to >>>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, >>> zimbabwian, south african or >>>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted >>> these countries. >>>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan >>> come on their >>>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in >>> the US and >>>> started invading various countries is known to >>> all. french too set >>>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing >>> countries. india was >>>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and >>> divisions based on >>>> religion. >>>> >>>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted >>> by the british) is >>>> most sought after by the entire world and they >>> project india in the >>>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>>> >>>> india has, is and would always be at the giving >>> end be it material >>>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud >>> of being an indian >>>> and praise this great country that withstood >>> centuries of invasions >>>> and still going strong. >>>> >>>> with best wishes >>>> pandit arjun >>>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all >>> religions but many >>>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by >>> stealing the wealth >>>> of other countries) >>>> >>>> , >>> "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>> >>>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>>> This world has become very much >>> materialistic,specially India. >>>>> I think You are based out of India,where most >>> would be looking >>>>> towards spirituality rather than material, >>> because they are already >>>>> full there with the latter(General >>> statement).Here we have not >>>> seen >>>>> the former part and so no question of becoming >>> full and searching >>>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences >>> and traditional >>>> bring >>>>> ups in individual families, the essence has >>> remained, but the 70's >>>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently >>> after 35years. With >>>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever >>> nook and corner, >>>> pubs >>>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, >>> discos all around >>>>> open full night.liberisation of media >>> broadcasting,boozing openly >>>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh >>> areas too,easy >>>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and >>> availibility of money >>>> too >>>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as >>> they are >>>> academically >>>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing >>> good pay checks >>>> due >>>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is >>> available freely >>>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this >>> isleading to >>>> flamboyant >>>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one >>> is having >>>> hightech >>>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending >>> evenings in some >>>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>>> Amongst all this, >>>>> People like me, little older not matching with >>> high academic >>>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing >>> jobs such as >>>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or >>> say third stage , >>>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to >>> the happennings >>>>> around staying put at home or office without >>> loosening out pockets >>>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the >>> brunt because >>>> though >>>>> we may be understanding, others around us with >>> whom we are living >>>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any >>> retrospection.. >>>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, >>> its the men who >>>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is >>> limited, to >>>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the >>> problems start >>>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most >>> middle class >>>> families >>>>> in India today. >>>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he >>> worth ? or why is he >>>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not >>> allow any type >>>>> of harakiri in business or professional >>> activities , he is left >>>>> to creating only limited. >>> >> === message truncated === >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Bhaskar, Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies?I think it is our lame excuse only. God bless Shashie Shekhar Delhi bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Gopu, I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has writte. I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form of Excise, Sales,Income,profession Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks we could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have been moved by their plight had he seen their state. This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough for sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for their rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low bred people rule us. regards/Bhaskar. , "bhaskar_jyotish" wrote: > > Dear Gopu, > > The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > political powers and mafia > Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > benefits received from Government. > Government public servants like police not given good salary, > hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > to surviving family members. > So how will the country progress?. > That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > sectors to come up . > You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , K Gopu wrote: > > > > dear mr.Prafulla, > > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > > sector and think about the productivity in the > > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > > there, because the employees are paid well which is > > not the case in our country and even the so called > > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > > community and very bad employers then only we will see > > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > > > with good wishes, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 At least I did not Sir. The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give us the list of shopping, we will get it. Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? , shashi shekhar sharma <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? I think it is our lame excuse only. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > Delhi > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Gopu, > I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are > already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has writte. > I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about > agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be > given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who > are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form > of Excise, Sales,Income,profession > Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. > And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? > I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month > of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks we > could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts > of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was > chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have been > moved by their plight had he seen their state. > > This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough for > sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for their > rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in > big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low > bred people rule us. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopu, > > > > The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > > political powers and mafia > > Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > > benefits received from Government. > > Government public servants like police not given good salary, > > hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > > Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > > nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > > to surviving family members. > > So how will the country progress?. > > That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > > sectors to come up . > > You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , K Gopu wrote: > > > > > > dear mr.Prafulla, > > > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > > > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > > > sector and think about the productivity in the > > > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > > > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > > > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > > > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > > > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > > > there, because the employees are paid well which is > > > not the case in our country and even the so called > > > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > > > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > > > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > > > community and very bad employers then only we will see > > > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > > > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Bhaskar ji, Will you believe in last year's Lok Sabha election the polling percentage in VVIP and VIP colonies were about 30%. God Bless Shashie Shekhar bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: At least I did not Sir. The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give us the list of shopping, we will get it. Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? , shashi shekhar sharma wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? I think it is our lame excuse only. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > Delhi > > bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Gopu, > I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are > already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has writte. > I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about > agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be > given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who > are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form > of Excise, Sales,Income,profession > Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. > And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? > I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month > of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks we > could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts > of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was > chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have been > moved by their plight had he seen their state. > > This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough for > sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for their > rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in > big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low > bred people rule us. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopu, > > > > The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > > political powers and mafia > > Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > > benefits received from Government. > > Government public servants like police not given good salary, > > hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > > Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > > nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > > to surviving family members. > > So how will the country progress?. > > That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > > sectors to come up . > > You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , K Gopu wrote: > > > > > > dear mr.Prafulla, > > > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > > > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > > > sector and think about the productivity in the > > > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > > > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > > > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > > > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > > > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > > > there, because the employees are paid well which is > > > not the case in our country and even the so called > > > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > > > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > > > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > > > community and very bad employers then only we will see > > > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > > > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Shri Pandit Arjun ji You are very correct. But: Government's historical records are full of contradictions. History has often been written by local poets / "bhands", who used to praise local kings, supported by painters / artists etc - who were patronised by respective kings. and even in those "efficient" kingdoms, prosperity was very much centralised to few families. People were even, slave to those kings. Could they speak against kings? The concept of kingdom in India was very much the basic reason of its fall as "greater" India. Yes, in different yugas, we prospered..but why did it succumb to invasions at some stage of different yuga. In fact, at no stage - we were tested to competition. and the moment, our army was to meet another army, we are very weak. History talks of "Veer" purusha, but "veer" is only destined to get "veer gati". Then History called them as great "yuddha", but fact "opinion" stands as simple one - "we failed..sir, we failed to defend ourselves". Historians can always give n reasons to justify and glorify, but what is the use of batsman's century, if it does not win match for us. At some stage (though looking not very pleasant statement) - we were less productive, even in warfare. We were glorious, until we had to face a war against invaders. Unfortunatey, this history of India being golden bird, does not solve our problem. Most Indians want to live in past glory and name it "satisfaction". World is growing at tremendous pace, and we are still far behind. Majority of our population does not work efficiently, and we lck discipline in our basic approach itself. People talk of growth in IT business, Industrialization and so on...but let us face the reality - we are still not been competitive enough to meet market forces from China, US, Europe etc. Shri Sashie Sekhar Sharma ji, raised an interesting point on political system. I agree that, it is our slave mentality which, makes us elect people..senior congressmen (at the age of Sonia's father) also want to touch her feet. Forget politically, Indian economy is unable to sustain its market share against MNC; China is beating us hands down in most fields..Which profession is competitive on its own? Not even IT, where india is becoming a big force.. Again, my apprehension is around their ability to compete independently. Can India feel proud for a single product like "Microsoft's windows". Most large indian IT outfits employ more people than Microsoft (rather many times), but have we yet delivered?? At some stage, I wanted to link all these attributes to India's chart..and see, why Indians are like that !!!! Again, i must caution - i am not discussing individual or exceptional performances. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > panditarjun2004 > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:20:18 -0000 > > Re: help please... > > dear prafullaji > > all your observations, albeit personal, are factually correct in the > corporate sense. but in historical perspective, these facts are > based on the following: > > 1. treta yuga and dwapara yuga happened in india only and at that > time too indians only lived, not in lethargy nor like slaves. > > 2. before the invasion of india by various muslim emporers, india > was a huge kingdom with all small kingdoms living happily, neither > lethargy nor slave mentality. > > 3. when the moguls conquered india by butchering crores of indians, > the leftover children were petrified with shock and were born and > brought up and spent their entire life in working as coolies to > demolish temples and build big palaces for the luxuries of the > emperors. there were so many gruesome stories how crores of people > were subjected to slavery by force and most of them converted to > islam to save their lives. > > 4. the next invaders in line (ustadon ka ustad) britishers uprooted > moghuls and they killed ever higher number of people than the > moghuls and subjected indians to further slavery. > > yes due to these draconian forcible subjugation of slavery, indians > have developed so much slave mentality that to protect their lives > from the invaders, they do anything under slavery. all great > monuments in this country were built by indians only and not the > invaders who enjoyed kinglike comforts. it is a different matter > that once a king becomes a fugitive when an even bigger thief > comes. for example, kohinoor was with raja ranjitji and was looted > by ghajni and taken to iran. then brought back from iran to india > by babar and adorned various moghuls with the last one running away > with it and was caught by the british who started adorning it in > thier queen's crowns generation after generation. > > if the queen of britain had the courage to visit jalianwallabagh and > write her apologies there, she shall have the equal heart to return > this gem of all gems. people in delhi know the story behind tees > hazari (sacrifice of 30 thousand lives). > > yes, for centuries generations after generations were butchered by > the invaders and were made to live like slaves and even after > independence, the country has fought four wars with its neighbours > and spent most part of its GDP in protecting this leftover land and > is still spending most part of GDP just for the security of this > country. yes, with all this backdrop, indians are truly lethargic > because we dont resist the invaders. we are slaves because we dont > want to propogate or expand our religion or land and surrender > meekly to all invaders. > > all the above are not my personal opinions but facts as per hisotry > books including the government gazette. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (under the edge of a sword by moghuls and gun by british, indians > either sacrificed their lives or have become slaves) > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Yes, Rishi ji. I rephrase - In my opinion.... >> >> I am talking about general issues..exceptions will always be there > in all systems. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > seeing and what not seeing." >> >> >>> >>> rishi_2000in >>> Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> RE: Re: help please... >>> >>> Strong words, Prafullaji. >>> Just one suggestion, when you say, >>> " The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >>>> unproductive race." >>> Say, it is your perception or opinion. >>> There is a world of difference between these words. >>> regards >>> rishi >>> >>> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >>> >>>> Dear members >>>> >>>> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness >>>> does not affect my proud feeling. >>>> >>>> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and >>>> unproductive race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify >>>> others for our non performance (we are dishonest to >>>> ourselves) and use self proclaimed sage status to >>>> hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason >>>> for our poor performance is our unproductivity in >>>> all sectors - government, private sector, technology >>>> adoption, farming etc. We believe in talking, >>>> chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to find >>>> face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too >>>> in world war, but they managed to progress...just >>>> for their productivity. >>>> >>>> All these past glories, our great culture etc are >>>> not going to help. It is the productive work, which >>>> determines the final outcome. Let us name one >>>> profession, where we are honest and productive. We >>>> have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well >>>> (IT is the best example - where our services are >>>> monitored by non indian IT professionals and we >>>> comply to their standards, else we will always find >>>> reason for self appeasement). >>>> >>>> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, >>>> how unproductive we are, if not monitored / >>>> demanded. I know, there may be strong messages for >>>> my above note,but I will be happy for the fact that, >>>> i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to >>>> please anyone. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, >>>> for what seeing and what not seeing." >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> panditarjun2004 >>>>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: help please... >>>>> >>>>> dear bhaskarji >>>>> >>>>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or >>>> participate actively >>>>> in various net groups is only because they get >>>> some belongingness >>>>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on >>>> them in this mythical >>>>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to >>>> say they miss most >>>>> of these in their real lives. >>>>> >>>>> but the first principle of karma theory says that >>>> if you want >>>>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. >>>> make others happy. >>>>> >>>>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only >>>> one thing. india >>>>> remained poor in material wealth only because it >>>> has welcomed all >>>>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and >>>> take away as much >>>>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their >>>> countries. religion after >>>>> religion, country after country invaded india and >>>> they continue to >>>>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, >>>> zimbabwian, south african or >>>>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted >>>> these countries. >>>>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan >>>> come on their >>>>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in >>>> the US and >>>>> started invading various countries is known to >>>> all. french too set >>>>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing >>>> countries. india was >>>>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and >>>> divisions based on >>>>> religion. >>>>> >>>>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted >>>> by the british) is >>>>> most sought after by the entire world and they >>>> project india in the >>>>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>>>> >>>>> india has, is and would always be at the giving >>>> end be it material >>>>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud >>>> of being an indian >>>>> and praise this great country that withstood >>>> centuries of invasions >>>>> and still going strong. >>>>> >>>>> with best wishes >>>>> pandit arjun >>>>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all >>>> religions but many >>>>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by >>>> stealing the wealth >>>>> of other countries) >>>>> >>>>> , >>>> "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>>> >>>>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>>>> This world has become very much >>>> materialistic,specially India. >>>>>> I think You are based out of India,where most >>>> would be looking >>>>>> towards spirituality rather than material, >>>> because they are already >>>>>> full there with the latter(General >>>> statement).Here we have not >>>>> seen >>>>>> the former part and so no question of becoming >>>> full and searching >>>>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences >>>> and traditional >>>>> bring >>>>>> ups in individual families, the essence has >>>> remained, but the 70's >>>>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently >>>> after 35years. With >>>>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever >>>> nook and corner, >>>>> pubs >>>>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, >>>> discos all around >>>>>> open full night.liberisation of media >>>> broadcasting,boozing openly >>>>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh >>>> areas too,easy >>>>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and >>>> availibility of money >>>>> too >>>>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as >>>> they are >>>>> academically >>>>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing >>>> good pay checks >>>>> due >>>>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is >>>> available freely >>>>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this >>>> isleading to >>>>> flamboyant >>>>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one >>>> is having >>>>> hightech >>>>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending >>>> evenings in some >>>>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>>>> Amongst all this, >>>>>> People like me, little older not matching with >>>> high academic >>>>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing >>>> jobs such as >>>>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or >>>> say third stage , >>>>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to >>>> the happennings >>>>>> around staying put at home or office without >>>> loosening out pockets >>>>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the >>>> brunt because >>>>> though >>>>>> we may be understanding, others around us with >>>> whom we are living >>>>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any >>>> retrospection.. >>>>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, >>>> its the men who >>>>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is >>>> limited, to >>>>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the >>>> problems start >>>>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most >>>> middle class >>>>> families >>>>>> in India today. >>>>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he >>>> worth ? or why is he >>>>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not >>>> allow any type >>>>>> of harakiri in business or professional >>>> activities , he is left >>>>>> to creating only limited. >>>> >>> === message truncated === >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> __________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Ram Ram bhai sahab aap hote tab toh vote karte na ? IDHAR BHI CHOR UDHAR BHI CHOR TOH SABHYA AADMI KYA KAREGA ? Woh toh tab TV dekhega jab jhopadpatti walen jayenge vote karne kyonki unko paise mile hain is kaam karne ke liye./ Bhai sahab ache alternative hon tabhi toh jayenge log vote karne VVIP and VIP areas seh ? Main khud char saal seh vote nahin kiya hoon . Kya I dont know my responsibility and power of my vote ? I know . but let some good person come then only shall I use my vote,otherwise You want me to put stamp in ballot box . vote for crimnals ? Regards/Bhaskar. In , shashi shekhar sharma <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Will you believe in last year's Lok Sabha election the polling percentage in VVIP and VIP colonies were about 30%. > > God Bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > At least I did not Sir. > > The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , > that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in > Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained > at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few > miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking > action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on > the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give us > the list of shopping, we will get it. > Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? > > > > > , shashi shekhar sharma > > wrote: > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? > I think it is our lame excuse only. > > > > God bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > Delhi > > > > bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Gopu, > > I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are > > already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has > writte. > > I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about > > agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be > > given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who > > are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form > > of Excise, Sales,Income,profession > > Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. > > And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? > > I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month > > of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks > we > > could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts > > of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was > > chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have > been > > moved by their plight had he seen their state. > > > > This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough > for > > sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for > their > > rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in > > big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low > > bred people rule us. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopu, > > > > > > The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > > > political powers and mafia > > > Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > > > benefits received from Government. > > > Government public servants like police not given good salary, > > > hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > > > Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > > > nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > > > to surviving family members. > > > So how will the country progress?. > > > That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > > > sectors to come up . > > > You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , K Gopu wrote: > > > > > > > > dear mr.Prafulla, > > > > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > > > > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > > > > sector and think about the productivity in the > > > > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > > > > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > > > > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > > > > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > > > > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > > > > there, because the employees are paid well which is > > > > not the case in our country and even the so called > > > > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > > > > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > > > > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > > > > community and very bad employers then only we will see > > > > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > > > > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Shri Pandit Arjun ji I respect your sentiments, but is it relevant from country's perspective that we look back at history and waste energy for "Kohinoor". All these may become agenda for media, but what about the work, we need to do. Most indians, still read the newspapers and discuss past glory in their working hours !!!!! our national philosophy: kaam kare ya na kar, kaam ki fikra kar fikra kare ya na kar, fikra ka jikra kar followed by the people who listen jikra : "jikra ka jikra kar" Most Indians can come to sadhus even at 5 am, but if we ask them to report to office at 5 am, most will protest with various arguments. Forget all, they hardly turn up to work at 9.30 am !! India has huge unoranized labor, who have no discipline ..they work for 20 days, and take leave from work for remaining 6 days ..and are always been able to find reasons for skippig that too?? I may sound very rough in my statements, but it is painful state of the country - where entire nation is glued to TV, for whole day to see - rescue operation for a small boy. Can we afford it!!! regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > panditarjun2004 > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:22:09 -0000 > > Re: help please... > > dear bhaskarji > > well said on the indian holy land which has given buddhism to the > entire world and practiced what it preaches by not invading another > country in its history. > > we may not get the kohinoor diamond back as it is the prized catch > of the thieves and in all likelihood this diamond will adorn the > coffin of the head of those thieves. similar is the story of the > entire gold of south africa that was looted by the britishers and > made it a poor country after giving independence. it is not you and > me, if the indian government demands return of this kohinoor, then > only it would be given back to us. > > by the way, i wish to share my own personal prediction that by 2050, > water would be a traded commodity and its swings in futures would > impact the economy. today's dreaded crude oil bill would be dwarfed > by the huge water bill after 50 years. this is all the more cause > for concern because india is the richest in natural water in the > world which means many more invasions of US and UK. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (jal hi jeevan hai) > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> Shri Panditji, >> >> Pranams. >> After so many days You are writing to me. >> Before I get mistaken. I dont praise the west, neither have >> any inclination to. I just meant to say that they have been >> materially satiated and loking out towards India or else for >> spiritual succour. >> I agree that we Indians have been looted continously, yet >> our pot is always full to give others ,it will and shall >> never get empty. >> I am proud to be an Indian, >> By the way I have already written letter to top politician >> offering my services and life to make India one, back what was >> bissected, Pak and Bang and Kash. and throw the invaders back to >> Afghanistan.and also get what was looted back Kohinoor etc. >> But they dont want me, >> This is just for Your info. >> A Yogi has already written a book where he has proclaimed that >> India would be among top super powers by 2020. >> >> affectionately, >> Bhaskar. >> >> >> , "panditarjun2004" >> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: >>> >>> dear bhaskarji >>> >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate > actively >>> in various net groups is only because they get some > belongingness >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this >> mythical >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss > most >>> of these in their real lives. >>> >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others > happy. >>> >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. >> india >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed > all >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as > much >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > after >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue > to >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south > african >> or >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these > countries. >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > set >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > was >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on >>> religion. >>> >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > is >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > the >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>> >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it > material >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an >> indian >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > invasions >>> and still going strong. >>> >>> with best wishes >>> pandit arjun >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > wealth >>> of other countries) >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Haizen, >>>> >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are >> already >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not >>> seen >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and > searching >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional >>> bring >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > 70's >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. > With >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and > corner, >>> pubs >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all >> around >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing > openly >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas > too,easy >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of > money >>> too >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are >>> academically >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay > checks >>> due >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available > freely >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to >>> flamboyant >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having >>> hightech >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > some >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>> Amongst all this, >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third > stage , >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the > happennings >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > pockets >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because >>> though >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are > living >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > retrospection.. >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class >>> families >>>> in India today. >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is > he >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left >>>> to creating only limited. >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual > food,the >>> soul >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man >> wants >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being >>> wanted, >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some > place, >>> You >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection > coming >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much >>>> >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Bhakar, >>>>> >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they >>> don't, >>>> I had the >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A >>>> prophet being without >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some > families >>> too. >>>> In the meantime, >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your >> akashic >>>> record. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Haizen , >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in > my >>>> family >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... > (Again >>>>>> demanding) >>>>>> >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're a good man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- In > , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are generous. >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here > or >>> on >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in >>>> return ,when >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times > the >>> Ego >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment > the >>>> demand >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for >>>> acknowledgement >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am > not >>>>>> supposed to >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one >>> person >>>>>> comes >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house > and >>>> search >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately >>> leaves >>>>>> after >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement > moves >>> to >>>>>> another >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my >>> advice, >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the >> call "Please >>>> can >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me >>> demand, >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and >> less >>>>>>>> demanding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> , "haizen" >>> <haizen@> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the > astrologer, >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for > their >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are > truly >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, > or >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might > possibly >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of >>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- In >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out >>> Your >>>>>> possible >>>>>>>> birth >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would > have >>> made >>>> me >>>>>> real >>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the >>> claps >>>> he >>>>>> gets >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. >>>>>>>>>> God bless , >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- In > , "rebbeasher" >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is > 7/7/1977 >> at >>>> 9:56 >>>>>> 32n06 >>>>>>>> 34e47. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did >> they >>> do? >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand > my >>>> life. >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Shri Sharma ji people who are prospering, have least interest in political system. Forget posh colonies, how about voting in other areas. Though voting percentage seems high, but people are slave (in their mind set) to the extent that, they still vote per caste, community, religion. Many worship nehru family, more than to their own parents. Does India's chart show all these? If our land had so many sages, religious faiths, charities, god taking birth ..then what karma is bring this? If we work backwards, there must be some real bad karmas on our land that, entire nation is sufering from all these imbalances !!!!!! regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > polite_astro > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:22:45 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: help please... > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Will you believe in last year's Lok Sabha election the polling > percentage in VVIP and VIP colonies were about 30%. > > God Bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > At least I did not Sir. > > The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , > that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in > Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained > at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few > miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking > action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on > the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give us > the list of shopping, we will get it. > Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? > > > > > , shashi shekhar sharma > > wrote: >> >> ll HARE RAM ll >> Dear Mr.Bhaskar, >> Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? > I think it is our lame excuse only. >> >> God bless >> Shashie Shekhar >> Delhi >> >> bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> Dear Gopu, >> I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are >> already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has > writte. >> I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about >> agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be >> given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who >> are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form >> of Excise, Sales,Income,profession >> Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. >> And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? >> I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month >> of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks > we >> could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts >> of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was >> chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have > been >> moved by their plight had he seen their state. >> >> This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough > for >> sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for > their >> rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in >> big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low >> bred people rule us. >> >> regards/Bhaskar. >> >> >> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Gopu, >>> >>> The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between >>> political powers and mafia >>> Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all >>> benefits received from Government. >>> Government public servants like police not given good salary, >>> hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. >>> Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, >>> nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service >>> to surviving family members. >>> So how will the country progress?. >>> That is why all business men look for the private and corporate >>> sectors to come up . >>> You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. >>> >>> regards/Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , K Gopu wrote: >>>> >>>> dear mr.Prafulla, >>>> U have given a generalised statement based on govt >>>> sectors, but the productivity is good in a private >>>> sector and think about the productivity in the >>>> agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self >>>> sufficient in food grain production, but the society >>>> is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, >>>> buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to >>>> europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist >>>> there, because the employees are paid well which is >>>> not the case in our country and even the so called >>>> MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in >>>> their own countries. we should get ourselves released >>>> from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness >>>> community and very bad employers then only we will see >>>> subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with >>>> astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. >>>> >>>> with good wishes, >>>> k.gopu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. >> >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Prafullji. Apart from the affuent class who dont vote as they dont care who comes to power, even the various govermnets who have come to poer at various times have not showed any worth . In Bombay which has suffered most due to Bomb blasts, peolpe have still to carry on because otherwise how would they feed their families ? People like Ram Jethmalani who work for the bomb accused are still living in India. They are also Indians. Police who have left the bomb accused of Ghatkopar Bomb blasts free to plant more bombs due to lack of evidence how can India prosper ? The people who have bissected India and given Pakistan to the other commmunity have they bothered about the future generations ? Did they do a proper partition ? Why are still so many of the other community prospering in India ? Isnt it because of the vote Banks ? Are they not taking advantages because of claues in constitutuon branding them as minorities ? Who were these idiots who crafted the constitution ? Were they not Indians ? Till such Indians are not exterminated like termites , we are never going to prosper . Till capital punishment does not come to prevail for bomb blasts,rape, robbery, kidnappings we are never going to prosper. Now new things are coming in the news in Biharand UP. That Doctors are removing limbs from children and big alike, blood,kidneys,what not for money. Till these rascals are not esterminated by capital punishment India is not going to survive. I ask Shri Shekhar Babu, give me a political party who is ready to extermibnate all this gangrene of society, and I will be the first person togo and vote even if I am crippled and handicapped, I will manage to vote. regards/Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Sharma ji > > people who are prospering, have least interest in political system. Forget posh colonies, how about voting in other areas. Though voting percentage seems high, but people are slave (in their mind set) to the extent that, they still vote per caste, community, religion. Many worship nehru family, more than to their own parents. > > Does India's chart show all these? If our land had so many sages, religious faiths, charities, god taking birth ..then what karma is bring this? If we work backwards, there must be some real bad karmas on our land that, entire nation is sufering from all these imbalances !!!!!! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > polite_astro > > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:22:45 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: help please... > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Will you believe in last year's Lok Sabha election the polling > > percentage in VVIP and VIP colonies were about 30%. > > > > God Bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > At least I did not Sir. > > > > The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , > > that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in > > Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained > > at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few > > miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking > > action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on > > the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give us > > the list of shopping, we will get it. > > Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? > > > > > > > > > > , shashi shekhar sharma > > > > wrote: > >> > >> ll HARE RAM ll > >> Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > >> Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? > > I think it is our lame excuse only. > >> > >> God bless > >> Shashie Shekhar > >> Delhi > >> > >> bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > >> Dear Gopu, > >> I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are > >> already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has > > writte. > >> I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about > >> agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be > >> given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who > >> are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form > >> of Excise, Sales,Income,profession > >> Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. > >> And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? > >> I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month > >> of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks > > we > >> could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts > >> of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was > >> chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have > > been > >> moved by their plight had he seen their state. > >> > >> This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough > > for > >> sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for > > their > >> rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in > >> big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low > >> bred people rule us. > >> > >> regards/Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Gopu, > >>> > >>> The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > >>> political powers and mafia > >>> Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > >>> benefits received from Government. > >>> Government public servants like police not given good salary, > >>> hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > >>> Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > >>> nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > >>> to surviving family members. > >>> So how will the country progress?. > >>> That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > >>> sectors to come up . > >>> You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > >>> > >>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , K Gopu wrote: > >>>> > >>>> dear mr.Prafulla, > >>>> U have given a generalised statement based on govt > >>>> sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > >>>> sector and think about the productivity in the > >>>> agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > >>>> sufficient in food grain production, but the society > >>>> is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > >>>> buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > >>>> europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > >>>> there, because the employees are paid well which is > >>>> not the case in our country and even the so called > >>>> MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > >>>> their own countries. we should get ourselves released > >>>> from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > >>>> community and very bad employers then only we will see > >>>> subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > >>>> astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > >>>> > >>>> with good wishes, > >>>> k.gopu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > >> > >> > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Shri kumar ji very well said. The biggest irony is that, we defend our incompetencies (linking to astrology) by using pointers as shani / mangal / rahu / ketu. In the name of past glory, we boost jupiter and so on...I wanted to bring this thread to a very serious issue. Are we astrologers not responsbile to an large extent for these declining "will" to win / achieve. Are we not making the population weak, by saying that - you are destined to fail, for the planets. Should not we guide the nation to achieve, by helping people through attributes of successful tasks vis a vis person's strength. But jyotish has also forgot to contribute to the country, in the name of destiny. Instead of indicating the bad periods, we should tell how will the adoption of trait of shani etc can help to increase performance. But in the name of God and helping natives, do not we make them weak !! Do not astrologers help in reducing productivity, by saying that good muhurta is only after 4 weeks or this profession will not suit them !!! So, the person starts the work with the doubtful itself or lesser interest. These are serious questions. But can astrologer also follow his professional responsibility to the nation. Instead of focussing on scaring the natives for commercial / ego motives and then providing "quick fix". Are we honest in terms of our obligation to society? We may not like to question ourselves, but we have a great role in modern India - for its present state or in bright tomorrow. Why is our astrology pursued and followed so fatalistically? Why "quick fix" remedies suggested need to cost people ? Are we helping people or ourselves? Why does our elected PM need to trust astrologer for muhurta, more than his own abilities? regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > gbp_kumar > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > > Hi Prafulla, > Most of what u said surely applies to the whole sub-Continent, we are a > few shades better, but this is a fact that Indian can;t progress for the > reasons u listed and we do SHINE AS INDIVIDUALS never as team players > that is why we do well even in IT, CA, Medicine, sports our team wins > post Independence are very few in any sport 3 Olympic hockey gold > medals, 1 cricket world cup, we don't win any team game well. for > states with a passion for so called self reliance [WB] they cheer > Brazil, Argentina. also import players none play from there and worse > they are the spoil sport in all development, unions, fixed mindsets of > communism which original ones have deserted. > WE TALK of being Independent of USA, when Japan was invaded , destroyed > by US they teamed up with them in 15 years they were on par and 20 yrs > ahead of them so when work is worship the goddess Lakshmi smiles where > we worship communism it breeds the needless discussion, obscurantists > mindsets why work ,what will i gain the company becomes richer, they > never related their growth with companies. > the biggest curse is our film industry which even copies of Hollywood] > are modified to suit a Hero from nowhere solving all issues so we still > look for heroes that is all the crimes committed on us by our invaders, > and terror Nations will go answered we will wait one we are tolerant as > we r not affected directly, if we are what can we do we show calm and > restraint, the attackers will continue, they get solidarity and give > solidarity for even supposed crimes in cartoons In a foreign county, > here we are cold hearted to genuine suffering\death, destruction of our > nation, culture, wealth and human resources. > > . > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Sir > > I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we have not > been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one is our > productive issues. > > The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does not try > to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is self > appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession damages the > most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any recourse. All > professions have different challenges and rewards. > > The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in school. it > has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media etc has > brought up another mess. > > Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. Why? > not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed etc), > but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > > We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily political > slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in designated time? > How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of > Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them are > honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of Indian > students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How many of > Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as priority > above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered accountants > can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? and so > on....... > > Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so How many > think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with honest > and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas also > drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with honesty > and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are discussing > minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic growth. > > Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional people/circumsatnces. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and > what not seeing." > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this state of > > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come in that > > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and Rathor is > > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness to the > > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of drink > > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various ills > > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country state of > > affairs as of today. > > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all sectors, > > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly not all of > > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > > That is another story that we develop black stains on the clothes > > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > > in...... > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear members > >> > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect > > my proud feeling. > >> > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive > > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed > > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - > > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We > > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to > > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world > > war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. > >> > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to > > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. > > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We > > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best > > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always > > find reason for self appeasement). > >> > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may > > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact > > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > > and what not seeing." > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004 > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: help please... > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > > mythical > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > >>> > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > > india > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > > after > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african > > or > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > > set > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > > was > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > >>> religion. > >>> > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > > is > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > > the > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > > indian > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > invasions > >>> and still going strong. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > > wealth > >>> of other countries) > >>> > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > > already > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > >>> seen > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > >>> bring > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > > 70's > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > >>> pubs > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > > around > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > >>> too > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > >>> academically > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > >>> due > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > >>> flamboyant > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > >>> hightech > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > > some > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>>> Amongst all this, > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > > pockets > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > >>> though > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > >>> families > >>>> in India today. > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > >>>> to creating only limited. > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > >>> soul > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > > wants > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > >>> wanted, > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > >>> You > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks very much > >>>> > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > >>> don't, > >>>> I had the > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > >>>> prophet being without > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > >>> too. > >>>> In the meantime, > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > >>>> record. ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > >>>> family > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>>>>> demanding) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > >>> on > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >>>> return ,when > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > >>> Ego > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > >>>> demand > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >>>> acknowledgement > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>>>>> supposed to > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > >>> person > >>>>>> comes > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > >>>> search > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > >>> leaves > >>>>>> after > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > >>> to > >>>>>> another > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > >>> advice, > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > >>>> can > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > >>> demand, > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>>>>> demanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > >>> <haizen@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>>>>> course. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > >>> Your > >>>>>> possible > >>>>>>>> birth > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > >>> made > >>>> me > >>>>>> real > >>>>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > >>> claps > >>>> he > >>>>>> gets > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > >>>> 9:56 > >>>>>> 32n06 > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > >>> do? > >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > >>>> life. > >>>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > ________ > FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends > and family! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Gou ji You answered the questions. It is our incompetency that, we allow MNC / Mafia to rule us. Forget the self sufficiency, when we could produce more (where one man's work is done by 3 family members) in agriculture, why Not? In private sector too, we are not able to meet any external competition. when chinese can supply say at x dollar, why not we? Indian corporate may be more effecient than government, but they are still far behind in terms of technoogy adoption, innovation, costing etc. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:26:43 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: help please... > > dear mr.Prafulla, > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > sector and think about the productivity in the > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > there, because the employees are paid well which is > not the case in our country and even the so called > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > community and very bad employers then only we will see > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Bhaskar ji, I could not write you to thank you because of a holy day in my religion. I do thank you and I really appreciate what you have done for me. I know it takes a lot of work, I am a western astrologer and I know of the undertaking. Truly I do thank you. What do you mean by I should have typed June 7 and not July 7? Is my birthday in June or July? Thank you much Bhaskar ji. Asher bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible birth date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real happy. Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets are soothing to the soul in the same way............ Any way please forget it. God bless , Bhaskar. , "rebbeasher" <rebbeasher wrote: > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. > > Should I become a jyotishi? > Will the government find my adoption papers? > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > My religious nature? > The truth about my adoptive parents? > When will I meet my biological parents? > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. > How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 ll HARE RAM ll Bhai Bhaskar ji, Mai aapki baat se sahmat hoon lekin koi honest independent candidate to hoga jise ham vote de sakte hai or kam se kam simple paper ya ballet paper par apna virodh prakat to kar sakte hai.Baat ye hai ki hamne kiya kya?Ye aapke liye nahi apitu sabke liye hai.Sabse jyada shikayat Govt.se padhe likhe logo ko hoti hai jo vote nahi daalte hain.Maine five times presiding officer ki duty kar chuka hoon.Mera anubhav hai ki anpadh aadmi vote dene ke liye ladta hai, lekin padha likha nahin aisa kyon?Yadi vah es system se sahmat nahi to usne eske liye kya virodh prakat kiya. Mai ese Lok tantr manta hi nahin ye to LANAT tantra hai.Mahamahim president or chief justice ki vote ki kimat[one vote] vahi ho, jo ek sharabi ki ho[one vote] jo Rs.15/- ki thailie ke liye kisi ko bhi vote de sakta hai. Shashie Shekhar Ram Ram bhai sahab aap hote tab toh vote karte na ? IDHAR BHI CHOR UDHAR BHI CHOR TOH SABHYA AADMI KYA KAREGA ? Woh toh tab TV dekhega jab jhopadpatti walen jayenge vote karne kyonki unko paise mile hain is kaam karne ke liye./ Bhai sahab ache alternative hon tabhi toh jayenge log vote karne VVIP and VIP areas seh ? Main khud char saal seh vote nahin kiya hoon . Kya I dont know my responsibility and power of my vote ? I know . but let some good person come then only shall I use my vote,otherwise You want me to put stamp in ballot box . vote for crimnals ? Regards/Bhaskar. In , shashi shekhar sharma wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Will you believe in last year's Lok Sabha election the polling percentage in VVIP and VIP colonies were about 30%. > > God Bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > At least I did not Sir. > > The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , > that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in > Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained > at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few > miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking > action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on > the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give us > the list of shopping, we will get it. > Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? > > > > > , shashi shekhar sharma > > wrote: > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? > I think it is our lame excuse only. > > > > God bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > Delhi > > > > bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Gopu, > > I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are > > already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has > writte. > > I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only about > > agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to be > > given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who > > are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the form > > of Excise, Sales,Income,profession > > Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. > > And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? > > I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in month > > of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks > we > > could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts > > of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was > > chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have > been > > moved by their plight had he seen their state. > > > > This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough > for > > sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for > their > > rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here in > > big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low > > bred people rule us. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopu, > > > > > > The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between > > > political powers and mafia > > > Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all > > > benefits received from Government. > > > Government public servants like police not given good salary, > > > hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. > > > Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight cold, > > > nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death service > > > to surviving family members. > > > So how will the country progress?. > > > That is why all business men look for the private and corporate > > > sectors to come up . > > > You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , K Gopu wrote: > > > > > > > > dear mr.Prafulla, > > > > U have given a generalised statement based on govt > > > > sectors, but the productivity is good in a private > > > > sector and think about the productivity in the > > > > agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self > > > > sufficient in food grain production, but the society > > > > is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, > > > > buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to > > > > europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist > > > > there, because the employees are paid well which is > > > > not the case in our country and even the so called > > > > MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in > > > > their own countries. we should get ourselves released > > > > from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness > > > > community and very bad employers then only we will see > > > > subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with > > > > astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. > > > > > > > > with good wishes, > > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2006 Dear Shri Sharma ji Your have raised a very important issue. The political system needs overhauling..but who will bell the cat. regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > polite_astro > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:58:07 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: help please... > > ll HARE RAM ll > Bhai Bhaskar ji, > Mai aapki baat se sahmat hoon lekin koi honest independent candidate to > hoga jise ham vote de sakte hai or kam se kam simple paper ya ballet > paper par apna virodh prakat to kar sakte hai.Baat ye hai ki hamne kiya > kya?Ye aapke liye nahi apitu sabke liye hai.Sabse jyada shikayat Govt.se > padhe likhe logo ko hoti hai jo vote nahi daalte hain.Maine five times > presiding officer ki duty kar chuka hoon.Mera anubhav hai ki anpadh aadmi > vote dene ke liye ladta hai, lekin padha likha nahin aisa kyon?Yadi vah > es system se sahmat nahi to usne eske liye kya virodh prakat kiya. > Mai ese Lok tantr manta hi nahin ye to LANAT tantra hai.Mahamahim > president or chief justice ki vote ki kimat[one vote] vahi ho, jo ek > sharabi ki ho[one vote] jo Rs.15/- ki thailie ke liye kisi ko bhi vote de > sakta hai. > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > Ram Ram bhai sahab > > aap hote tab toh vote karte na ? > IDHAR BHI CHOR UDHAR BHI CHOR TOH SABHYA AADMI KYA KAREGA ? > Woh toh tab TV dekhega jab jhopadpatti walen jayenge vote karne > kyonki unko paise mile hain is kaam karne ke liye./ > > Bhai sahab ache alternative hon tabhi toh jayenge log vote karne > VVIP and VIP areas seh ? Main khud char saal seh vote nahin kiya > hoon . > Kya I dont know my responsibility and power of my vote ? I know . but > let some > good person come then only shall I use my vote,otherwise You want me > to put stamp in ballot box . vote for crimnals ? > > Regards/Bhaskar. > > > In , shashi shekhar sharma > > wrote: >> >> ll HARE RAM ll >> Dear Bhaskar ji, >> Will you believe in last year's Lok Sabha election the polling > percentage in VVIP and VIP colonies were about 30%. >> >> God Bless >> Shashie Shekhar >> >> >> bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> At least I did not Sir. >> >> The problem with us Indians is that we are so self pitying , >> that for whatever happens we blame ourselves. I remember a story in >> Chandamama I read couple of years ago. A daughter in law complained >> at home to the men, that whenever she went to the market few >> miscreants and loafers used to trouble her. Now instead of taking >> action on them , this daughter in laws husband and father in law on >> the contreary blamed the daughter in law that why You go out, give > us >> the list of shopping, we will get it. >> Dont You think this our case when we say that this a lame excuse ? >> >> >> >> >> , shashi shekhar sharma >> >> wrote: >>> >>> ll HARE RAM ll >>> Dear Mr.Bhaskar, >>> Who send these politicians in the Lok Sabha and state assemblies? >> I think it is our lame excuse only. >>> >>> God bless >>> Shashie Shekhar >>> Delhi >>> >>> bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >>> Dear Gopu, >>> I was about to write about agriculture but thought my mails are >>> already long so leave it. But in meanwhile Prashant Sahab has >> writte. >>> I want to say that these bloody politicians always talk only > about >>> agriculture at times of elections and this incentive or that to > be >>> given to farmers. They never talk about the businessmen class who >>> are filling their pockets by adding to their treasuries in the > form >>> of Excise, Sales,Income,profession >>> Taxes,Wealth,Gift,Surcharge,Turnover,God knows how many taxes. >>> And finally what they give to the farmers You know ? >>> I had visited Bhimashankar temple near Nasik few years ago in > month >>> of Oct-Nov, and while our car was running over the Sahyadri peaks >> we >>> could see the farmers tilling their soils clad only in small parts >>> of thin clothes just enought to cover their nakedness, it was >>> chilling in that period and even a stone hearted man would have >> been >>> moved by their plight had he seen their state. >>> >>> This is what the Government is able to give them. Not even enough >> for >>> sustenance. I dont know what price the Govt. is paying them for >> their >>> rice but I know it would be meagre and the difference we pay here > in >>> big cities would never come to the poor farmer, till these low >>> bred people rule us. >>> >>> regards/Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Gopu, >>>> >>>> The cause of Indias state today itself is the nexus between >>>> political powers and mafia >>>> Only 1% populations is paying Income tax rest enjoying free all >>>> benefits received from Government. >>>> Government public servants like police not given good salary, >>>> hence they look upto mafia dons for their domestic requirements. >>>> Our Army men at Kargil not even given proper shoes to fight > cold, >>>> nor proper guns, or if they become martyrs no after death > service >>>> to surviving family members. >>>> So how will the country progress?. >>>> That is why all business men look for the private and corporate >>>> sectors to come up . >>>> You cant expect much from this Govt. Sorry. >>>> >>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , K Gopu wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dear mr.Prafulla, >>>>> U have given a generalised statement based on govt >>>>> sectors, but the productivity is good in a private >>>>> sector and think about the productivity in the >>>>> agricultural areas, definitely it is good, we are self >>>>> sufficient in food grain production, but the society >>>>> is controlled by mafia's and heartless landowners, >>>>> buisnessman. I had the opportunity of travelling to >>>>> europe 3yrs back and i found "subhiksham" to exist >>>>> there, because the employees are paid well which is >>>>> not the case in our country and even the so called >>>>> MNC's try to pay only 25% of what they are paying in >>>>> their own countries. we should get ourselves released >>>>> from the clutches of mafia's and greedy buisness >>>>> community and very bad employers then only we will see >>>>> subhiksam in our country. this has nothing to do with >>>>> astrology, i thought i can share my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> with good wishes, >>>>> k.gopu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH >> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. >>> >>> >>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 6, 2006 dear prafullaji am answering all your mails in this only since the objective of all your mails was to lay emphasis on human freewill. it is true that a person has to believe in himself, put in his best efforts and only if all means fail in getting a result, then only look for providance. in fact i have been preaching and practicing the essence of all vedas, as succinctly vyasa could put "sarvam paravaam dukham, sarvam atmavasam sukham" here the word para means everything including planets and other visible and invisible forces. if a native says he is a puppet with strings in the hands of all these external forces and the human is just like a ball and that he would fall in any direction whichever way he was kicked, he is 100% thinking on the wrong lines. this is the reason behind the first revolution in china as well as in USSR. it is a different matter that russia was sliced like a pizza and all cities named after christian saints and all churches turned schools became churches again. similarly china too is slowly opening gates to religious freedom. i can boldly predict that the day is not far when china would enter the guiness record for having highest number of places of worship. these two largest communist nations clearly are case studies for any athiest as they testify that religion is an integral part of each every country in the world. since long i have been vocal in suggesting that astrology whose edifice is 100% dependent on birth details is only one element of prediction and the other tools that could change the future or fate are karma theory, freewill, blessings or curses from gurus, parents, sages and gods and lastly the evil eye. once in a similar thread between me and RRji, i told that a doctor who treats mental patients must be the best lunatic without which he cannot understand the psychology of the mental illness and empathise and let the patients come out of their various syndromes. in view of the above, a remedy done for a particular dosham or shapam would definitely remove that dosham or shapam notwithstanding whether the dosham/shapam exist in the first place. hence i support doing remedies as long as the objective is to remove these worries and make the native confident to treat the future positively. healers like me do all these empathising acts with the natives and give them a great psychological relief in getting removed their existing or non-existing problems. with best wishes pandit arjun (in many rural areas of india, a native feels he is suffering from fever even when the mercury is normal and visits a local healer cum doctor who gives some vitamin tablet after which the patient declares himself free from fever. both the patient and the doctor are right in doing so) , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pandit Arjun ji > > I respect your sentiments, but is it relevant from country's perspective that we look back at history and waste energy for "Kohinoor". All these may become agenda for media, but what about the work, we need to do. Most indians, still read the newspapers and discuss past glory in their working hours !!!!! > > our national philosophy: > > kaam kare ya na kar, kaam ki fikra kar > fikra kare ya na kar, fikra ka jikra kar > > followed by the people who listen jikra : "jikra ka jikra kar" > > Most Indians can come to sadhus even at 5 am, but if we ask them to report to office at 5 am, most will protest with various arguments. Forget all, they hardly turn up to work at 9.30 am !! India has huge unoranized labor, who have no discipline ..they work for 20 days, and take leave from work for remaining 6 days ..and are always been able to find reasons for skippig that too?? > > I may sound very rough in my statements, but it is painful state of the country - where entire nation is glued to TV, for whole day to see - rescue operation for a small boy. Can we afford it!!! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:22:09 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > well said on the indian holy land which has given buddhism to the > > entire world and practiced what it preaches by not invading another > > country in its history. > > > > we may not get the kohinoor diamond back as it is the prized catch > > of the thieves and in all likelihood this diamond will adorn the > > coffin of the head of those thieves. similar is the story of the > > entire gold of south africa that was looted by the britishers and > > made it a poor country after giving independence. it is not you and > > me, if the indian government demands return of this kohinoor, then > > only it would be given back to us. > > > > by the way, i wish to share my own personal prediction that by 2050, > > water would be a traded commodity and its swings in futures would > > impact the economy. today's dreaded crude oil bill would be dwarfed > > by the huge water bill after 50 years. this is all the more cause > > for concern because india is the richest in natural water in the > > world which means many more invasions of US and UK. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (jal hi jeevan hai) > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Shri Panditji, > >> > >> Pranams. > >> After so many days You are writing to me. > >> Before I get mistaken. I dont praise the west, neither have > >> any inclination to. I just meant to say that they have been > >> materially satiated and loking out towards India or else for > >> spiritual succour. > >> I agree that we Indians have been looted continously, yet > >> our pot is always full to give others ,it will and shall > >> never get empty. > >> I am proud to be an Indian, > >> By the way I have already written letter to top politician > >> offering my services and life to make India one, back what was > >> bissected, Pak and Bang and Kash. and throw the invaders back to > >> Afghanistan.and also get what was looted back Kohinoor etc. > >> But they dont want me, > >> This is just for Your info. > >> A Yogi has already written a book where he has proclaimed that > >> India would be among top super powers by 2020. > >> > >> affectionately, > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> , "panditarjun2004" > >> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate > > actively > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some > > belongingness > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > >> mythical > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss > > most > >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others > > happy. > >>> > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > >> india > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed > > all > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as > > much > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > > after > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue > > to > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south > > african > >> or > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these > > countries. > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > > set > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > > was > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > >>> religion. > >>> > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > > is > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > > the > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it > > material > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > >> indian > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > invasions > >>> and still going strong. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > > wealth > >>> of other countries) > >>> > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > >> already > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > >>> seen > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and > > searching > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > >>> bring > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > > 70's > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. > > With > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and > > corner, > >>> pubs > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > >> around > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing > > openly > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas > > too,easy > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of > > money > >>> too > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > >>> academically > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay > > checks > >>> due > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available > > freely > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > >>> flamboyant > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > >>> hightech > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > > some > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>>> Amongst all this, > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third > > stage , > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the > > happennings > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > > pockets > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > >>> though > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are > > living > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > > retrospection.. > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > >>> families > >>>> in India today. > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is > > he > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > >>>> to creating only limited. > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual > > food,the > >>> soul > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > >> wants > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > >>> wanted, > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some > > place, > >>> You > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection > > coming > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks very much > >>>> > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > >>> don't, > >>>> I had the > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > >>>> prophet being without > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some > > families > >>> too. > >>>> In the meantime, > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your > >> akashic > >>>> record. ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in > > my > >>>> family > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... > > (Again > >>>>>> demanding) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here > > or > >>> on > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >>>> return ,when > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times > > the > >>> Ego > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment > > the > >>>> demand > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >>>> acknowledgement > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am > > not > >>>>>> supposed to > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > >>> person > >>>>>> comes > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house > > and > >>>> search > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > >>> leaves > >>>>>> after > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement > > moves > >>> to > >>>>>> another > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > >>> advice, > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the > >> call "Please > >>>> can > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > >>> demand, > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and > >> less > >>>>>>>> demanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > >>> <haizen@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the > > astrologer, > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for > > their > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are > > truly > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, > > or > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might > > possibly > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>>>>> course. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > >>> Your > >>>>>> possible > >>>>>>>> birth > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would > > have > >>> made > >>>> me > >>>>>> real > >>>>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > >>> claps > >>>> he > >>>>>> gets > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> --- In > > , "rebbeasher" > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is > > 7/7/1977 > >> at > >>>> 9:56 > >>>>>> 32n06 > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did > >> they > >>> do? > >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand > > my > >>>> life. > >>>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 6, 2006 Dear Shri Pandit Arjun ji No, i did not intend to question the effectiveness of astrology or remedial measure. I felt that, our country is not able to move upwards (which it could have with the resources) for our inherent weakness. and was questioning astrologers (including myself) for their constructive role - collectively and individually. In many ways, jyotish practices have caused more harm from nation's perspective by rendering people weak - emotionally, mentally. it has failed to meet the challenges of modern yuga. This is quite a uneasy issue for me as well for - being Indian and an astrologer. People start doubting themself, if even half cooked astrologer says contrary to their own strength. Jyotishi does not know the complexities of modern societies (and professions); and still ends up acting as morale police by defining good or bad at each stage of native's life. Society's over dependence on jyotish is quite promoted by astrologers for their commercial / egoistic gains. When native talks to me, and if I explain that time will be better after few months - unknowingly, i am affecting his confidence for next few months. See the effect, native has stopped pursuing the task whole heartedly. Each bad day, again confirms his faith in jyotish and invariably, he is in vicious cycle. Now with low confidence, when he is not successful - I (astrologer) satisfies my ego with the demonstration of accurate prediction. Why astrology is not becoming a positive role player? I feel partly for less educated astrologers, who invariably forces their prediction upon natives and partly for social dependence upon astrologers for every pursuits. I am sure that there ae many astrologers, who helps native in building confidence and overcoming the challenges. But they are in very small numbers. regards / Prafulla Gang Of all the thing I have lost in my life . . . I miss my mind the most . . > > panditarjun2004 > Sun, 06 Aug 2006 01:00:57 -0000 > > Re: help please... > > dear prafullaji > > am answering all your mails in this only since the objective of all > your mails was to lay emphasis on human freewill. > > it is true that a person has to believe in himself, put in his best > efforts and only if all means fail in getting a result, then only > look for providance. in fact i have been preaching and practicing > the essence of all vedas, as succinctly vyasa could put "sarvam > paravaam dukham, sarvam atmavasam sukham" here the word para means > everything including planets and other visible and invisible > forces. if a native says he is a puppet with strings in the hands > of all these external forces and the human is just like a ball and > that he would fall in any direction whichever way he was kicked, he > is 100% thinking on the wrong lines. this is the reason behind the > first revolution in china as well as in USSR. it is a different > matter that russia was sliced like a pizza and all cities named > after christian saints and all churches turned schools became > churches again. similarly china too is slowly opening gates to > religious freedom. i can boldly predict that the day is not far > when china would enter the guiness record for having highest number > of places of worship. these two largest communist nations clearly > are case studies for any athiest as they testify that religion is an > integral part of each every country in the world. > > since long i have been vocal in suggesting that astrology whose > edifice is 100% dependent on birth details is only one element of > prediction and the other tools that could change the future or fate > are karma theory, freewill, blessings or curses from gurus, parents, > sages and gods and lastly the evil eye. > > once in a similar thread between me and RRji, i told that a doctor > who treats mental patients must be the best lunatic without which he > cannot understand the psychology of the mental illness and empathise > and let the patients come out of their various syndromes. > > in view of the above, a remedy done for a particular dosham or > shapam would definitely remove that dosham or shapam notwithstanding > whether the dosham/shapam exist in the first place. hence i support > doing remedies as long as the objective is to remove these worries > and make the native confident to treat the future positively. > > healers like me do all these empathising acts with the natives and > give them a great psychological relief in getting removed their > existing or non-existing problems. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (in many rural areas of india, a native feels he is suffering from > fever even when the mercury is normal and visits a local healer cum > doctor who gives some vitamin tablet after which the patient > declares himself free from fever. both the patient and the doctor > are right in doing so) > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Shri Pandit Arjun ji >> >> I respect your sentiments, but is it relevant from country's > perspective that we look back at history and waste energy > for "Kohinoor". All these may become agenda for media, but what > about the work, we need to do. Most indians, still read the > newspapers and discuss past glory in their working hours !!!!! >> >> our national philosophy: >> >> kaam kare ya na kar, kaam ki fikra kar >> fikra kare ya na kar, fikra ka jikra kar >> >> followed by the people who listen jikra : "jikra ka jikra kar" >> >> Most Indians can come to sadhus even at 5 am, but if we ask them > to report to office at 5 am, most will protest with various > arguments. Forget all, they hardly turn up to work at 9.30 am !! > India has huge unoranized labor, who have no discipline ..they work > for 20 days, and take leave from work for remaining 6 days ..and are > always been able to find reasons for skippig that too?? >> >> I may sound very rough in my statements, but it is painful state > of the country - where entire nation is glued to TV, for whole day > to see - rescue operation for a small boy. Can we afford it!!! >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > seeing and what not seeing." >> >> >>> >>> panditarjun2004 >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:22:09 -0000 >>> >>> Re: help please... >>> >>> dear bhaskarji >>> >>> well said on the indian holy land which has given buddhism to the >>> entire world and practiced what it preaches by not invading > another >>> country in its history. >>> >>> we may not get the kohinoor diamond back as it is the prized > catch >>> of the thieves and in all likelihood this diamond will adorn the >>> coffin of the head of those thieves. similar is the story of the >>> entire gold of south africa that was looted by the britishers and >>> made it a poor country after giving independence. it is not you > and >>> me, if the indian government demands return of this kohinoor, > then >>> only it would be given back to us. >>> >>> by the way, i wish to share my own personal prediction that by > 2050, >>> water would be a traded commodity and its swings in futures would >>> impact the economy. today's dreaded crude oil bill would be > dwarfed >>> by the huge water bill after 50 years. this is all the more > cause >>> for concern because india is the richest in natural water in the >>> world which means many more invasions of US and UK. >>> >>> with best wishes >>> pandit arjun >>> (jal hi jeevan hai) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Shri Panditji, >>>> >>>> Pranams. >>>> After so many days You are writing to me. >>>> Before I get mistaken. I dont praise the west, neither have >>>> any inclination to. I just meant to say that they have been >>>> materially satiated and loking out towards India or else for >>>> spiritual succour. >>>> I agree that we Indians have been looted continously, yet >>>> our pot is always full to give others ,it will and shall >>>> never get empty. >>>> I am proud to be an Indian, >>>> By the way I have already written letter to top politician >>>> offering my services and life to make India one, back what was >>>> bissected, Pak and Bang and Kash. and throw the invaders back to >>>> Afghanistan.and also get what was looted back Kohinoor etc. >>>> But they dont want me, >>>> This is just for Your info. >>>> A Yogi has already written a book where he has proclaimed that >>>> India would be among top super powers by 2020. >>>> >>>> affectionately, >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> , "panditarjun2004" >>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dear bhaskarji >>>>> >>>>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate >>> actively >>>>> in various net groups is only because they get some >>> belongingness >>>>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this >>>> mythical >>>>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss >>> most >>>>> of these in their real lives. >>>>> >>>>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want >>>>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others >>> happy. >>>>> >>>>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. >>>> india >>>>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed >>> all >>>>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as >>> much >>>>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion >>> after >>>>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue >>> to >>>>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south >>> african >>>> or >>>>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these >>> countries. >>>>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on > their >>>>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and >>>>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too >>> set >>>>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india >>> was >>>>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on >>>>> religion. >>>>> >>>>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the > british) >>> is >>>>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in >>> the >>>>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. >>>>> >>>>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it >>> material >>>>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an >>>> indian >>>>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of >>> invasions >>>>> and still going strong. >>>>> >>>>> with best wishes >>>>> pandit arjun >>>>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many >>>>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the >>> wealth >>>>> of other countries) >>>>> >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>>> >>>>>> Some thoughts to share with You- >>>>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. >>>>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking >>>>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are >>>> already >>>>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not >>>>> seen >>>>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and >>> searching >>>>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional >>>>> bring >>>>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the >>> 70's >>>>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. >>> With >>>>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and >>> corner, >>>>> pubs >>>>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all >>>> around >>>>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing >>> openly >>>>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas >>> too,easy >>>>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of >>> money >>>>> too >>>>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are >>>>> academically >>>>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay >>> checks >>>>> due >>>>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available >>> freely >>>>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to >>>>> flamboyant >>>>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having >>>>> hightech >>>>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in >>> some >>>>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. >>>>>> Amongst all this, >>>>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic >>>>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as >>>>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third >>> stage , >>>>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the >>> happennings >>>>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out >>> pockets >>>>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because >>>>> though >>>>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are >>> living >>>>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any >>> retrospection.. >>>>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who >>>>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to >>>>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start >>>>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class >>>>> families >>>>>> in India today. >>>>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is >>> he >>>>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type >>>>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is > left >>>>>> to creating only limited. >>>>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual >>> food,the >>>>> soul >>>>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man >>>> wants >>>>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being >>>>> wanted, >>>>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some >>> place, >>>>> You >>>>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection >>> coming >>>>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks very much >>>>>> >>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhakar, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they >>>>> don't, >>>>>> I had the >>>>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A >>>>>> prophet being without >>>>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some >>> families >>>>> too. >>>>>> In the meantime, >>>>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your >>>> akashic >>>>>> record. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, Haizen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen , >>>>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in >>> my >>>>>> family >>>>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... >>> (Again >>>>>>>> demanding) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're a good man. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- In >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are generous. >>>>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here >>> or >>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in >>>>>> return ,when >>>>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times >>> the >>>>> Ego >>>>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment >>> the >>>>>> demand >>>>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for >>>>>> acknowledgement >>>>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am >>> not >>>>>>>> supposed to >>>>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. >>>>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one >>>>> person >>>>>>>> comes >>>>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house >>> and >>>>>> search >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately >>>>> leaves >>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement >>> moves >>>>> to >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... >>>>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my >>>>> advice, >>>>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the >>>> call "Please >>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me >>>>> demand, >>>>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and >>>> less >>>>>>>>>> demanding. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> , "haizen" >>>>> <haizen@> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable >>>>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you >>>>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to >>>>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder >>>>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result >>>>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied >>>>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank >>>>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. >>>>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin >>>>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire >>>>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), >>>>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according >>>>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means >>>>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. >>>>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears >>>>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the >>> astrologer, >>>>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and >>>>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded >>>>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same >>>>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do >>>>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not >>>>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, >>>>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for >>> their >>>>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it >>>>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is >>>>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer >>>>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are >>> truly >>>>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, >>> or >>>>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might >>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of >>>>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours >>>>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- In >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>>>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. >>>>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out >>>>> Your >>>>>>>> possible >>>>>>>>>> birth >>>>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would >>> have >>>>> made >>>>>> me >>>>>>>> real >>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the >>>>> claps >>>>>> he >>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ >>>>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. >>>>>>>>>>>> God bless , >>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- In >>> , "rebbeasher" >>>>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is >>> 7/7/1977 >>>> at >>>>>> 9:56 >>>>>>>> 32n06 >>>>>>>>>> 34e47. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did >>>> they >>>>> do? >>>>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? >>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? >>>>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand >>> my >>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> __________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 6, 2006 Dear Asherji, Thank You , If I am not mistaken I had checked that Your birthday falls on 7th June 77. Regards, Bhaskar. , Asher Ben-Abraham <rebbeasher wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, I could not write you to thank you because of a holy day in my religion. I do thank you and I really appreciate what you have done for me. I know it takes a lot of work, I am a western astrologer and I know of the undertaking. Truly I do thank you. What do you mean by I should have typed June 7 and not July 7? Is my birthday in June or July? Thank you much Bhaskar ji. Asher > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out Your possible birth > date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have made me real happy. > Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the claps he gets are > soothing to the soul in the same way............ > Any way please forget it. > God bless , > Bhaskar. > > , "rebbeasher" <rebbeasher@> > wrote: > > > > I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at 9:56 32n06 34e47. > > > > Should I become a jyotishi? > > Will the government find my adoption papers? > > What were my biological parents like? What did they do? > > My religious nature? > > The truth about my adoptive parents? > > When will I meet my biological parents? > > Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > > > Thank you! Trying to understand my life. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
