cancellation of debility rules??

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|OM Gurave Namah|

 

Pranaam Visti ji,

 

I have one question to clarify my understanding.

 

I have Ju (lagnesh) in the 8th house in rasi. This is GK, 6th from AL.

Ju is in Cp in 6th bhava in Navamsa. Mo and Ma are in Navamsa lagna.

In Navamsa, AK - Sa (in Sg) is in exchange with Ju.

 

Does this influence the raj bhanga status of Jupiter in any way? Also,

I have read that debilitated GK in Navamsa is a good thing especially

when it is placed 6th from AL in Rasi. How is it good?

 

Looking forward to eharing from you.

 

Regards

 

Supriti

 

 

wrote on 02/08/2006 11:29:27 PM:

 

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Youry, Namaskar

> Comments below.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> http://srigaruda.com

> ***

>

>

[] On Behalf Of

> khmelevsky

> 03 August 2006 02:58

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility rules??

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Dear Visti Ji,

>

>

> > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

pada), as this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

>

> May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does Neecha

Bhanga works,

> if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

 

> [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

Raja-Bhanga,

> where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

>

> If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation sign,

are in

> > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma debilitated

in 2nd

> Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

Navamsha

> (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha Bhanga -

who are

> (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch), 10 Rashi

Ma

> exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in Kendra

to Ch

> (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

Bhanga???)? Is it correct?

 

> [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is punishing

the

> person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not easy. If

we analyze

> the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at the effect

it has

> on the marriage and not on the entire life in totality. I already

mentioned

> the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case you mentioned there is

no

> neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

>

> The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu with Ch

are in

> 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in 10th Rashi

is in

> 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

exaltation

> sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of the Gu

> debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

Neecha

> Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

 

> [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of neecha

planets

> we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

>

> Thanks a lot in advance,

>

> Youry

>

> wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to percentages.

> > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

sign, (2)

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation sign,

are in

> > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered to

be 25% (1/4th

> > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

whilst if

> > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

either through

> > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

mind (moon)

> > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna pada),

as this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

> >

> > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to be

very

> > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to reap

the effects

> > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal determination

they reap

> > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet is

associated

> > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of the

particular

> > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the desire

for

> > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.

> >

> > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar meeting

a

> > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires donations,

whilst the

> > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the dasa

of the

> > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so for

the

> > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

dasas of these

> > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted Saturn,

and during

> > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

> > ***

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa] On

Behalf Of Sourav

> > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > sohamsa

> > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > Dear Reema-ji,

> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for

sharing

> > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sourav

> > ==============================================================

> > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

<reema_sriganesh wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Sourav,

> > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without

> > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status

after

> > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,

> > > opposite will happen.

> > >

> > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages

of

> > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > >

> > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > >

> > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

kendra

> > > from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked

(Neecha in

> > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > >

> > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

rajayoga,

> > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching

is that

> > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed

to be akin

> > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated

retrograde

> > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength

due to

> > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > >

> > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > >

> > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha

graha

> > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

exalted.

> > Food for Thought:

> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika

Sambandha ?

> > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

involved in

> > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

which of the

> > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

extent of

> > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility

degree)

> >

> > >

> > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.

> > >

> > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > >

> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > Reema.

> > >

> > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > > >

=====================================================================

> > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for

> > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

about

> > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

angulare

> > > house

> > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is

in an

> > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed

in

> > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

correct

> > > for

> > > > dispositor?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be

moon,

> > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

mars

> > > never

> > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled

due to

> > > > moon.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at

all !

> > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga

concept

> > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due

to help

> > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra

from

> > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

Karka then

> > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra

from

> > > > Lagna.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by

> > > example

> > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

debiliated

> > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in

cancer)

> > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > >

> > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

whether it

> > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any

> > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

neecha

> > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

graha is

> > > in

> > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going

down or

> > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the

> > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

comes,

> > > the

> > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering

first

> > > and

> > > > then removal.

> > > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without

> > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

likely to

> > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,

> > > opposite

> > > > will happen.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > >

> > > > > Alka

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

[Guest guest]

|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Pranaam Visti ji,

 

Thank you for the wonderful explanation.

 

Regards

Supriti

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Sourav, Namaskar.

> The point about saints, sinners, etc. isn't the exact way to

analyse the

> Arudha. Please read carefully below.

>

> The Arudha is Maya. It is how you are gaining or loosing in this

world of

> Maya. Really there are no enemies, just Maya. So essentially the

mother-maya

> has decided to take three forms to take you out of the three gunas

of Sattva

> (lakshmi), Rajas (sarasvati or navadurga according to some) and

Tamas

> (mahavidya).

> The houses from the arudha where you have to see Tamas are the

third, sixth,

> ninth (yes ninth) and twelfth houses. In other words the apoklimas.

If

> sattvic planets like Jupiter or Moon are placed in these houses,

they are

> getting destroyed, and the stronger they are, the more overwhelmed

they are

> by the tamas. Same goes for Rajasic planets (venus and mercury).

>

> Difference arises when you let yourself loose (renunciation), or

you loose

> because you didn't know how to fight! This is based on nakshatras.

> Only tamasic planets are good here, and because Sun has the

lordship of a

> tamasic sign he is able to sit in these bhavas.

>

> So, if a 'good' planet sits in these bhavas, you will not know how

to

> overcome the tamas, and you are bound to loose. But, if this planet

has a

> tinge of tamas in him, i.e. through tamasic conjunction or the

tamas arising

> from being pulled into the svamp of debilitation, then vipareeta

raja yoga

> arises.

>

> To bring the graha out of the svamp (debilitation) we worship the

mahavidya

> of the planet, to help the lotus bloom.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> ***

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Sourav

> 27 August 2006 12:19

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: cancellation of debility rules??

>

>

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Visti-ji,

>

> Namaskar. May I solicit one more

clarification

> from you on this ? Thanks. Suppose, Guru is in 6th from AL. Suppose

(a) Guru

> is in Karka (b) Guru is in Makara. You are treating this Guru are

the enemy

> person and saying in (a) enemy is weak (b) enemy is strong or will

recover?

> This part is confusing me, may be I am not getting definition of

enemy

> person properly. Shouldn't we take 6th lord from Rasi to see how

enemy is ?

>

> About level of non-violence © Guru in a satvik/benefic nakshatra

(d) Guru

> in a tamasik/malefic nakshatra - in © person is non-violence

because of

> high principles (d) non-violent due to being weak. Right ?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> ===============================================================

>

>

>

> I am a bit puzzled about the deduction about enemies. Shouldn't we

take the

> 6th lord as the enemy ?

> , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Sourav, Namaskar

> > 1. The sixth house from AL show how you treat your enemies. This

is the

> > strategy really.

> > 2. A benefic is a benefic. If placed in the third or sixth from

AL it will

> > be non-violent throughout, even if weak. However, the level of

restraint

> > would be lacking if it is weak, that i agree with, but here we

are trying

> to

> > differentiate peaceful people from saints. The nature of the

persons mind

> in

> > this matter is a different question all together and is seen from

the

> > nakshatra of the planet.

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> > ***

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

[]

> On

> > Behalf Of Sourav

> > 27 August 2006 11:20

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Visti-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. I have a doubt about a segment below:

> >

> > Strong benefics in the third or sixth from AL show pravrajya

yoga - loss

> > of wealth and fortune. In the third it shows that one uses

peaceful

> methods

> > to fight, whilst in sixth its peaceful strategies. So a Jupiter

in the

> sixth

> > means you will wanto become friends with all your enemies, even

when they

> > come running with knives and clubs. Now, if that benefic is

debilitated in

> > rasi/navamsa, it means the enemy will make a mistake and

trip/fall and you

> > end up winning the battle without any effort... If this benefic

recieves

> > neecha bhanga, then its bad, as you end up helping up the

gangster and

> > giving him back his club so he can continue attacking you.

> >

> > 1. 3rd house shows astra and hence grahas in the 3rd shows what

> instruments

> > or things one uses in defense/offence. 6th is house of overcoming

> obstacles

> > and grahas shows our attitude in doing that. A benefic shows that

one's

> > attitude is of non-violence and often if it is a strong benefic

it will

> show

> > self-restraint and taking the suffering as an acceptance of karma-

phala. A

> > weak benefic shows inability. Would you agree to this

understanding ?

> > Methods and stratigies seems to be confusing a bit.

> >

> > 2. Graha shows our attitude and intelligence applied to a house

and the

> > house show area of life. So if a benefic in the 6th from AL is in

debility

> > in Navamsa, it should show that when we adopt the attitude of

accepting

> > enemy-trouble and try not to fight, the end result is that

suffering will

> > result. On the other hand, if that benefic is exalted in Navamsa,

it shows

> > that God is supporting that attitude and make you emerge winning

instead

> of

> > suffering. However, you are treating the benefic as the enemy and

stating

> > the result. Please clarify.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > =================================================================

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > Dear Supriti, Namaskar

> > > 1. Strong benefics in the third or sixth from AL show pravrajya

yoga -

> > loss

> > > of wealth and fortune. In the third it shows that one uses

peaceful

> > methods

> > > to fight, whilst in sixth its peaceful strategies. So a Jupiter

in the

> > sixth

> > > means you will wanto become friends with all your enemies, even

when

> they

> > > come running with knives and clubs. Now, if that benefic is

debilitated

> in

> > > rasi/navamsa, it means the enemy will make a mistake and

trip/fall and

> you

> > > end up winning the battle without any effort... If this benefic

recieves

> > > neecha bhanga, then its bad, as you end up helping up the

gangster and

> > > giving him back his club so he can continue attacking you.

> > > 2. GK also shows the enemy, and if weak means you will take

money from

> all

> > > the competitors.

> > > 3. The exchange in the navamsa helps us understand the timing

as being

> > > Saturn dasa instead of Jupiter.

> > > Best wishes,

> > > ***

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> > > ***

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > >

[]

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar

> > > 03 August 2006 18:29

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > |OM Gurave Namah|

> > >

> > > Pranaam Visti ji,

> > >

> > > I have one question to clarify my understanding.

> > >

> > > I have Ju (lagnesh) in the 8th house in rasi. This is GK, 6th

from AL.

> Ju

> > > is in Cp in 6th bhava in Navamsa. Mo and Ma are in Navamsa

lagna. In

> > > Navamsa, AK - Sa (in Sg) is in exchange with Ju.

> > >

> > > Does this influence the raj bhanga status of Jupiter in any

way? Also, I

> > > have read that debilitated GK in Navamsa is a good thing

especially when

> > it

> > > is placed 6th from AL in Rasi. How is it good?

> > >

> > > Looking forward to eharing from you.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Supriti

> > >

> > >

> > > wrote on 02/08/2006 11:29:27 PM:

> > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > Dear Youry, Namaskar

> > > > Comments below.

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > ***

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > >

> []

> > > On Behalf Of

> > > > khmelevsky@

> > > > 03 August 2006 02:58

> > > >

> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of

debility rules??

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti Ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga

(purna

> pada),

> > as

> > > this

> > > > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > > >

> > > > May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does

Neecha Bhanga

> > > works,

> > > > if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

> > >

> > > > [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

> > > Raja-Bhanga,

> > > > where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

> > > >

> > > > If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > > > > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > > > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the

debilitation sign,

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> > > > do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

debilitated

> in

> > > 2nd

> > > > Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10

Rashi of

> > > Navamsha

> > > > (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

Bhanga -

> > who

> > > are

> > > > (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

10 Rashi

> Ma

> >

> > > > exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

Kendra

> to

> > Ch

> > >

> > > > (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

> > Bhanga???)?

> > > Is it correct?

> > >

> > > > [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

punishing

> the

> >

> > > > person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not

easy. If we

> > > analyze

> > > > the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at

the effect

> it

> > > has

> > > > on the marriage and not on the entire life in totality. I

already

> > > mentioned

> > > > the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case you mentioned

there is

> no

> >

> > > > neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

> > > >

> > > > The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu

with Ch

> > are

> > > in

> > > > 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in

10th Rashi

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord

of

> > > exaltation

> > > > sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord

of the Gu

> > > > debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch -

3rd

> Neecha

> >

> > > > Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

> > >

> > > > [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

neecha

> > > planets

> > > > we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot in advance,

> > > >

> > > > Youry

> > > >

> > > > wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

> > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > > > > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > > > > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

percentages.

> > > > > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the

debilitation

> sign,

> > > (2)

> > > > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the

debilitation sign,

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only

considered to

> be

> > > 25% (1/4th

> > > > > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are

felt,

> whilst

> > > if

> > > > > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the

native

> either

> > > through

> > > > > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and

determination of

> mind

> > > (moon)

> > > > > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > > > > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga

(purna pada),

> > as

> > > this

> > > > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the

dristis to be

> > very

> > >

> > > > > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire

to reap

> the

> > > effects

> > > > > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

determination

> they

> > > reap

> > > > > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this

planet is

> > > associated

> > > > > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the

dasa of the

> > > particular

> > > > > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

desire

> for

> >

> > > > > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

> > Ramakrishna

> > > Paramahamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

meeting

> a

> > > > > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

donations,

> > whilst

> > > the

> > > > > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence

the dasa

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite

is so for

> > the

> > >

> > > > > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy

during

> dasas

> > of

> > > these

> > > > > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

Saturn,

> > and

> > > during

> > > > > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > ***

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa

[sohamsa] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of Sourav

> > > > > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > > > > sohamsa

> > > > > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > Dear Reema-ji,

> > > > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for

> > > sharing

> > > > > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

==============================================================

> > > > > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

reema_sriganesh@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sourav,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

status

> > after

> > > > > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > > > > opposite will happen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

messages

> > of

> > > > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga

are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is

in a

> > kendra

> > > > > > from lagna or chandra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha

is

> placed

> > is

> > > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha

graha is

> placed

> > > is

> > > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

checked

> > > (Neecha in

> > > > > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

> rajayoga,

> > > > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > > > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

teaching

> > is

> > > that

> > > > > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

reversed

> to

> > be

> > > akin

> > > > > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

debilitated

> > > retrograde

> > > > > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

strength

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > > > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think

the neecha

> > > graha

> > > > > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer

that

> > > exalted.

> > > > > Food for Thought:

> > > > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the

Naisargika

> > > Sambandha ?

> > > > > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house

get

> > involved

> > > in

> > > > > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > > > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for

example,

> which

> > > of the

> > > > > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be

related to

> > extent

> > > of

> > > > > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

debility

> > > degree)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

effort.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly

off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > > > > Reema.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some

clarifications for

> > > > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4

points

> about

> > > > > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

> angulare

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is

exalted is

> in

> > an

> > > > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its

dipositor.

> > > > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted

Navamasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

placed

> in

> > > > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my

understanding

> > correct

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > dispositor?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will

always be

> > > moon,

> > > > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean

that

> mars

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

cancelled

> due

> > > to

> > > > > > > moon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have

debility at

> > all

> > > !

> > > > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

Neechabhanga

> > > concept

> > > > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it

is due

> to

> > > help

> > > > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is

by kendra

> > from

> > > > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal

is in

> Karka

> > > then

> > > > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

kendra

> from

> > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly.

I try by

> > > > > > example

> > > > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if

mars is

> > > debiliated

> > > > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets

exalted in

> > > cancer)

> > > > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

asecendant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn)

that

> > whether

> > > it

> > > > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to

perform any

> > > > > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga

or 'breaking' of

> > neecha

> > > > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation.

When a

> graha

> > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

going

> down

> > > or

> > > > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering.

When the

> > > > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing

neechabhanga

> > comes,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

suffering

> > first

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > then removal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that

it is

> likely

> > > to

> > > > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or

opposing

> > > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > > > > opposite

> > > > > > > will happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Alka

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

protection around

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Visti ji,

Namaskar..

We take every planet as bad being in 12th house from AL.So will the

sinner planets be good in this house? Will AL lord being in 12th from

AL be so bad for the person himself.. Rahu being in 12th from AL

creates a lot of troubles,and person is very spiritual..

 

Regards,

Amit

, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Sourav, Namaskar.

> The point about saints, sinners, etc. isn't the exact way to analyse the

> Arudha. Please read carefully below.

>

> The Arudha is Maya. It is how you are gaining or loosing in this

world of

> Maya. Really there are no enemies, just Maya. So essentially the

mother-maya

> has decided to take three forms to take you out of the three gunas

of Sattva

> (lakshmi), Rajas (sarasvati or navadurga according to some) and Tamas

> (mahavidya).

> The houses from the arudha where you have to see Tamas are the

third, sixth,

> ninth (yes ninth) and twelfth houses. In other words the apoklimas. If

> sattvic planets like Jupiter or Moon are placed in these houses,

they are

> getting destroyed, and the stronger they are, the more overwhelmed

they are

> by the tamas. Same goes for Rajasic planets (venus and mercury).

>

> Difference arises when you let yourself loose (renunciation), or you

loose

> because you didn't know how to fight! This is based on nakshatras.

> Only tamasic planets are good here, and because Sun has the lordship

of a

> tamasic sign he is able to sit in these bhavas.

>

> So, if a 'good' planet sits in these bhavas, you will not know how to

> overcome the tamas, and you are bound to loose. But, if this planet

has a

> tinge of tamas in him, i.e. through tamasic conjunction or the tamas

arising

> from being pulled into the svamp of debilitation, then vipareeta

raja yoga

> arises.

>

> To bring the graha out of the svamp (debilitation) we worship the

mahavidya

> of the planet, to help the lotus bloom.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> ***

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Sourav

> 27 August 2006 12:19

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: cancellation of debility rules??

>

>

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Visti-ji,

>

> Namaskar. May I solicit one more clarification

> from you on this ? Thanks. Suppose, Guru is in 6th from AL. Suppose

(a) Guru

> is in Karka (b) Guru is in Makara. You are treating this Guru are

the enemy

> person and saying in (a) enemy is weak (b) enemy is strong or will

recover?

> This part is confusing me, may be I am not getting definition of enemy

> person properly. Shouldn't we take 6th lord from Rasi to see how

enemy is ?

>

> About level of non-violence © Guru in a satvik/benefic nakshatra

(d) Guru

> in a tamasik/malefic nakshatra - in © person is non-violence

because of

> high principles (d) non-violent due to being weak. Right ?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> ===============================================================

>

>

>

> I am a bit puzzled about the deduction about enemies. Shouldn't we

take the

> 6th lord as the enemy ?

> , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Sourav, Namaskar

> > 1. The sixth house from AL show how you treat your enemies. This

is the

> > strategy really.

> > 2. A benefic is a benefic. If placed in the third or sixth from AL

it will

> > be non-violent throughout, even if weak. However, the level of

restraint

> > would be lacking if it is weak, that i agree with, but here we are

trying

> to

> > differentiate peaceful people from saints. The nature of the

persons mind

> in

> > this matter is a different question all together and is seen from the

> > nakshatra of the planet.

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> > ***

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

[]

> On

> > Behalf Of Sourav

> > 27 August 2006 11:20

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Visti-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. I have a doubt about a segment below:

> >

> > Strong benefics in the third or sixth from AL show pravrajya yoga

- loss

> > of wealth and fortune. In the third it shows that one uses peaceful

> methods

> > to fight, whilst in sixth its peaceful strategies. So a Jupiter in the

> sixth

> > means you will wanto become friends with all your enemies, even

when they

> > come running with knives and clubs. Now, if that benefic is

debilitated in

> > rasi/navamsa, it means the enemy will make a mistake and trip/fall

and you

> > end up winning the battle without any effort... If this benefic

recieves

> > neecha bhanga, then its bad, as you end up helping up the gangster and

> > giving him back his club so he can continue attacking you.

> >

> > 1. 3rd house shows astra and hence grahas in the 3rd shows what

> instruments

> > or things one uses in defense/offence. 6th is house of overcoming

> obstacles

> > and grahas shows our attitude in doing that. A benefic shows that

one's

> > attitude is of non-violence and often if it is a strong benefic it

will

> show

> > self-restraint and taking the suffering as an acceptance of

karma-phala. A

> > weak benefic shows inability. Would you agree to this understanding ?

> > Methods and stratigies seems to be confusing a bit.

> >

> > 2. Graha shows our attitude and intelligence applied to a house

and the

> > house show area of life. So if a benefic in the 6th from AL is in

debility

> > in Navamsa, it should show that when we adopt the attitude of

accepting

> > enemy-trouble and try not to fight, the end result is that

suffering will

> > result. On the other hand, if that benefic is exalted in Navamsa,

it shows

> > that God is supporting that attitude and make you emerge winning

instead

> of

> > suffering. However, you are treating the benefic as the enemy and

stating

> > the result. Please clarify.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > =================================================================

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > Dear Supriti, Namaskar

> > > 1. Strong benefics in the third or sixth from AL show pravrajya

yoga -

> > loss

> > > of wealth and fortune. In the third it shows that one uses peaceful

> > methods

> > > to fight, whilst in sixth its peaceful strategies. So a Jupiter

in the

> > sixth

> > > means you will wanto become friends with all your enemies, even when

> they

> > > come running with knives and clubs. Now, if that benefic is

debilitated

> in

> > > rasi/navamsa, it means the enemy will make a mistake and

trip/fall and

> you

> > > end up winning the battle without any effort... If this benefic

recieves

> > > neecha bhanga, then its bad, as you end up helping up the

gangster and

> > > giving him back his club so he can continue attacking you.

> > > 2. GK also shows the enemy, and if weak means you will take

money from

> all

> > > the competitors.

> > > 3. The exchange in the navamsa helps us understand the timing as

being

> > > Saturn dasa instead of Jupiter.

> > > Best wishes,

> > > ***

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com

> > > ***

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > >

[]

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar

> > > 03 August 2006 18:29

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > |OM Gurave Namah|

> > >

> > > Pranaam Visti ji,

> > >

> > > I have one question to clarify my understanding.

> > >

> > > I have Ju (lagnesh) in the 8th house in rasi. This is GK, 6th

from AL.

> Ju

> > > is in Cp in 6th bhava in Navamsa. Mo and Ma are in Navamsa lagna. In

> > > Navamsa, AK - Sa (in Sg) is in exchange with Ju.

> > >

> > > Does this influence the raj bhanga status of Jupiter in any way?

Also, I

> > > have read that debilitated GK in Navamsa is a good thing

especially when

> > it

> > > is placed 6th from AL in Rasi. How is it good?

> > >

> > > Looking forward to eharing from you.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Supriti

> > >

> > >

> > > wrote on 02/08/2006 11:29:27 PM:

> > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > Dear Youry, Namaskar

> > > > Comments below.

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > ***

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > >

> []

> > > On Behalf Of

> > > > khmelevsky@

> > > > 03 August 2006 02:58

> > > >

> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

rules??

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti Ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

> pada),

> > as

> > > this

> > > > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > > >

> > > > May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does

Neecha Bhanga

> > > works,

> > > > if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

> > >

> > > > [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

> > > Raja-Bhanga,

> > > > where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

> > > >

> > > > If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > > > > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > > > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign,

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> > > > do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

debilitated

> in

> > > 2nd

> > > > Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

> > > Navamsha

> > > > (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

Bhanga -

> > who

> > > are

> > > > (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

10 Rashi

> Ma

> >

> > > > exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

Kendra

> to

> > Ch

> > >

> > > > (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

> > Bhanga???)?

> > > Is it correct?

> > >

> > > > [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

punishing

> the

> >

> > > > person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not

easy. If we

> > > analyze

> > > > the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at the

effect

> it

> > > has

> > > > on the marriage and not on the entire life in totality. I already

> > > mentioned

> > > > the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case you mentioned

there is

> no

> >

> > > > neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

> > > >

> > > > The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu

with Ch

> > are

> > > in

> > > > 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in

10th Rashi

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

> > > exaltation

> > > > sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of

the Gu

> > > > debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

> Neecha

> >

> > > > Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

> > >

> > > > [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

neecha

> > > planets

> > > > we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot in advance,

> > > >

> > > > Youry

> > > >

> > > > wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

> > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > > > > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > > > > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

percentages.

> > > > > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

> sign,

> > > (2)

> > > > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign,

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only

considered to

> be

> > > 25% (1/4th

> > > > > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

> whilst

> > > if

> > > > > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

> either

> > > through

> > > > > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

> mind

> > > (moon)

> > > > > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > > > > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga

(purna pada),

> > as

> > > this

> > > > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the

dristis to be

> > very

> > >

> > > > > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to

reap

> the

> > > effects

> > > > > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

determination

> they

> > > reap

> > > > > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this

planet is

> > > associated

> > > > > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa

of the

> > > particular

> > > > > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

desire

> for

> >

> > > > > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

> > Ramakrishna

> > > Paramahamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

meeting

> a

> > > > > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

donations,

> > whilst

> > > the

> > > > > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence

the dasa

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite

is so for

> > the

> > >

> > > > > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

> dasas

> > of

> > > these

> > > > > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

Saturn,

> > and

> > > during

> > > > > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > ***

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa

[sohamsa] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of Sourav

> > > > > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > > > > sohamsa

> > > > > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > Dear Reema-ji,

> > > > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for

> > > sharing

> > > > > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > > ==============================================================

> > > > > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

reema_sriganesh@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sourav,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

status

> > after

> > > > > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > > > > opposite will happen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

messages

> > of

> > > > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

> > kendra

> > > > > > from lagna or chandra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

> placed

> > is

> > > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

> placed

> > > is

> > > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

checked

> > > (Neecha in

> > > > > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

> rajayoga,

> > > > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > > > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

teaching

> > is

> > > that

> > > > > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

reversed

> to

> > be

> > > akin

> > > > > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

debilitated

> > > retrograde

> > > > > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

strength

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > > > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the

neecha

> > > graha

> > > > > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

> > > exalted.

> > > > > Food for Thought:

> > > > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the

Naisargika

> > > Sambandha ?

> > > > > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

> > involved

> > > in

> > > > > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > > > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

> which

> > > of the

> > > > > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

> > extent

> > > of

> > > > > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

debility

> > > degree)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

effort.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > > > > Reema.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some

clarifications for

> > > > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

> about

> > > > > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

> angulare

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is

exalted is

> in

> > an

> > > > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

placed

> in

> > > > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

> > correct

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > dispositor?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will

always be

> > > moon,

> > > > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

> mars

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

cancelled

> due

> > > to

> > > > > > > moon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have

debility at

> > all

> > > !

> > > > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

Neechabhanga

> > > concept

> > > > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it

is due

> to

> > > help

> > > > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by

kendra

> > from

> > > > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

> Karka

> > > then

> > > > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

kendra

> from

> > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I

try by

> > > > > > example

> > > > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

> > > debiliated

> > > > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets

exalted in

> > > cancer)

> > > > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

asecendant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

> > whether

> > > it

> > > > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to

perform any

> > > > > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

> > neecha

> > > > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

> graha

> > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

going

> down

> > > or

> > > > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering.

When the

> > > > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

> > comes,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

suffering

> > first

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > then removal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

> likely

> > > to

> > > > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > > > > opposite

> > > > > > > will happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Alka

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Sunds 1]

Should a debilitated planet conjoined with an exalted planet be in a quadrant to attain Neechabanga?

Does Deb. Venus with exalted mercury in third house lead to Neechabhanga.