Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 this is an endless debate which will go round and round eat up valuable band-width, time and effort Yashendra, you raise a couple good points, but to be honest, your arguments are mostly histrionics and there is no intelligible way to address each and every opinion you have for e.g. lord buddha was a warrior that taught martial arts, the aryan people are from the north pole, jesus died in India, vegetarianism was always practiced by vedic people etc etc etc are all unprovable in any case and there is precious little to support any of these conjectures except your own opinion - the texts you have sourced (Cremo, Kersten) are at the academic fringe at best and nobody who has sincerely devoted their life to looking at such issues would lend much credibility to them or to your opinions, especially since they appear to be highly selective and revisionist and ignores 99.9% of the other research out there that controverts your theses further, precious little of your argument has anything to do with the subject at hand - which is the use of meat in Ayurveda this issue arose because _someone_ stated that consuming meat causes fear, but since fear is a lakshana of vata, and meat-based preparations are stated to reduce vata, it is logically and textually inconsistent i have specifically raised the issue that meat as a dietary article and therapeutic food is mentioned in every single Ayurvedic text: Charaka samhita, Sushruta samhita, Kashyapa samhita, Bhela samhita, Ashtanga Hrdaya, Cakradatta, Bhavaprakasha etc etc - this CANNOT be ignored the consumption of meat is also mentioned in non-Ayurvedic texts such as the Arthashastra, which lays down regulations for raising, processing and storage of such foods, and is also mentioned in the Vedic texts some of these issues are raised here: http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/08/14/stories/13140833.htm nobody is saying you have to eat meat Yashendra, but similarly, why should we ignore the entire corpus of Ayurveda because it doesn't fit with your personal interpretation of the truth? this is an Ayurvedic list, and if things are going to be stated that by any reasonable estimation are just plain wrong (as per Ayurveda) please have a little understanding if you meet with objection best to all... todd Caldecott todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 > > Yashendra- Whatever I have said is backed by innumerable scriptures > of India ! > These are not conjectures. And, I have not based my opinions on > Cremo or > Kersten. Actually, I have not even read Cremo !! I simply gave u > the title ( and > I know the content) to u. maybe then don't reference work you yourself haven't read - it is a matter of some integrity where scholarship is concerned > > Dear Dr. u just keep saying that what I say doesn’t have > evidence but > you never provide anything concrete to disapprove what I am > saying ! And I keep > giving u the sources in the Indian scriptures ! actually, you haven't provided any evidence, just lots of opinion and names of books > > Lets take Buddha … Anyone who knows even the basic story of Buddha > knows that > Buddha defeated all contemporary warriors in all forms of warfare & > martial > skills ! This He did even at the swayamvara of princess Yasodhara ! > And one > needs to do research about the origin of martial arts like Tai-chi. > Their > practioners will tell what is the hard fact………….. For Aryans at > North pole…. > Read ‘Yog Vasistha’, read ‘Mahabharata”, read “ King Bhoja’s ‘ > Samarangan > Sutradhara’, read B. G. Tilak’s “The Arctic Home in the Vedas’, read > ‘Zendavesta’….. and after that I will give u another list ! please cite your source, verse and page number and amaze us with your erudition if you can actually quote the text even better > > Dr. this is an intellectual forum. U will have to provide > solid basis of > what u r saying !! Your attempt to term other’s irrefutable > statements as > ‘histrionics’, I find it very hilarious…………… glad to be so entertaining, but to be honest, i cannot say the same... btw, one exclamation point is probably sufficient, lest you lend credence to my claim of histrionics > > And about Jesus having lived in India, there is a long list of > historical > documents, including some in Buddhist monasteries, and > “Mahabhavishya Puran” ! … > And u read Nikoloi Notovitch, Swami Abhedananda and dozens of other > research > works published !! …. And then I would like to you refute their > arguments point > by point. > i will, if you post them to the list, once again, as per my request above i fail to see why i should do your work for you > If u meet any common Indian and tell him that Vedic people were non- > veg, he > will laugh at u. … Please Give me one single Sanskrit quotation > from the Vedas > which says that original Vedic were non-veg ! I am waiting. I want > to see > whether u base ur knowledge on wild speculation, others’ > interpretations, or > anything else. well, so far, you are the only person on the list come up with such statements, and might i add, in quite an excitable fashion dr bhate himself has stated that meat eating was common in India in Vedic times, and other indian doctors and scholars on this list have taken issue with your statements as well, but for some reason the guy with the non-indian name has excited your passions the most > > Your answer is awaited. “ as per Ayurveda”. Amen. you win Yashendra i give up Caldecott todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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