Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

[Guest guest]

I don´t know how many people suffer from actual witchcraft or black

magic. Not too many because nowaday there are few people who have the

necessary siddhis to actually harm someone.

 

But i do know that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer from

being accused to work black magic on others.

 

But there are many who imagine to be victims of black magic who

themselves endanger innocent people, these people only pretend or

believe to be victims they are most often mentally disturbed and in

fact perpetrators not victims.

I am not writing this because i do not believe in witchcraft or black

magic, on the contrary, i am writing this because of a profound

knowledge of this subject.

 

Very few people are aware that accusing others of witchcraft is a

very dark and evil act and can have most dire conesquences for the

accused.

 

"Witch hunting is a huge issue in the eastern states of India, such

as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa and the neighboring areas of

Maharashtra, which have large tribal populations with traditional

beliefs about witches. Indian newspapers periodically publish reports

about women who, after being accused of witchcraft, have been beaten

to death, had their houses expropriated, their heads shaved or had

strings of shoes hung around their necks. Yet, nothing seems to stop

these abuses. Not even the pressure of NGOs, such as the Free Legal

Aid Committee (FLAC),based in Jamshedpur (the steel city of

Jharkhand) whose efforts prompted one state –Jharkhand- to pass an

Anti-Witch Hunting Act in 1999, has fully eradicated the problem. In

the last 15 years, more than 2500 Indian women have been killed in

the name of witchcraft. According to FLAC, 670 of these women were

murdered between 2004 and 2005."

Arpita Sutradhar article I witnessed a witch hunt.

 

Please think twice before you give advice to victims of witchcraft on

the net, one should not enforce suspicions and question allegations,

otherwise one might unknowingly become part of the cause of severe

injustice being done to innocents.

Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

about the alleged victims of black magic?

 

 

Mahahradanatha

[Guest guest]

Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

about the alleged victims of black magic?

Mahahradanatha

 

----Sure, not to mention that maybe the person is not doing black magic at all but just their regular sadhana and someone totally stupid may misinterpret that as well.

[Guest guest]

With respect to what you are saying Mahahradanatha:

I think when people say witchcraft in India, they don't mean a witch as the type we have in here in America (Wiccan, pagan, nature worshiper, etc.). I think that people in India are referring to the very bad type of TANTRIC that can be commonly found and employed to cause all kinds of problems with vashikaran, and various rituals and such used to put others under control. They commonly do this by putting items in food (ashes of: corpses, hair, nails, semen, blood), burying ritualized bones and such in the yards of others, using items belonging to the person (hair, clothing, etc.), taking the control of souls to do bidding, among many, many, various means. My mother who was born in 1943, told me that her great grandmother, (my Great-Great Grandmother) (1887-1960), was always insistant about never leaving hair in brushes and combs etc., for this reason! This is very common in Southern African-American culture. So, many, many people believe in this stuff down here.

Especially the older people.

Not only is this very common in India, it is also common in Africa, the Carribean (especially Haiti), Native America, & most indigenous cultures. Nevertheless, this IS VERY REAL and can cause much harm to the unsuspecting.. But again, with respect to what you are saying, I am sure there is also a certain amount of paranoia that prevails.

Just a thought.

JANARDANA DASA

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote:

I don´t know how many people suffer from actual witchcraft or black

magic. Not too many because nowaday there are few people who have the

necessary siddhis to actually harm someone.

 

But i do know that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer from

being accused to work black magic on others.

 

But there are many who imagine to be victims of black magic who

themselves endanger innocent people, these people only pretend or

believe to be victims they are most often mentally disturbed and in

fact perpetrators not victims.

I am not writing this because i do not believe in witchcraft or black

magic, on the contrary, i am writing this because of a profound

knowledge of this subject.

 

Very few people are aware that accusing others of witchcraft is a

very dark and evil act and can have most dire conesquences for the

accused.

 

"Witch hunting is a huge issue in the eastern states of India, such

as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa and the neighboring areas of

Maharashtra, which have large tribal populations with traditional

beliefs about witches. Indian newspapers periodically publish reports

about women who, after being accused of witchcraft, have been beaten

to death, had their houses expropriated, their heads shaved or had

strings of shoes hung around their necks. Yet, nothing seems to stop

these abuses. Not even the pressure of NGOs, such as the Free Legal

Aid Committee (FLAC),based in Jamshedpur (the steel city of

Jharkhand) whose efforts prompted one state –Jharkhand- to pass an

Anti-Witch Hunting Act in 1999, has fully eradicated the problem. In

the last 15 years, more than 2500 Indian women have been killed in

the name of witchcraft. According to FLAC, 670 of these women were

murdered between 2004 and 2005."

Arpita Sutradhar article I witnessed a witch hunt.

 

Please think twice before you give advice to victims of witchcraft on

the net, one should not enforce suspicions and question allegations,

otherwise one might unknowingly become part of the cause of severe

injustice being done to innocents.

Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

about the alleged victims of black magic?

 

Mahahradanatha

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Janardana Dasa,

As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in Europe

in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

 

That is not what i am talking about, if i would talk about what i

have seen happen in the area of real magic, you would think i am a

liar.

 

Apart from this real magic i have met a lot of people who believed

they where victims of black magic, because of my job as a herbalist,

they where looking for potions and spells against their attackers.

 

Do not be mistaken about some of these "poor victims" sometimes those

that believe they are cursed, and especially those that immediatelly

tell you WHO cursed them, are really stickum evil people looking for

a way to wreak some sort of vengeance on those they think

are "attackers" most often the real motive is greed and/or jealousy.

 

As can be seen in the case studies of witch hunts in tribal cultures

or the middle ages in europe. appropriation of the material goods of

the witch, i.e greed, was a common hidden motive behind witch hunts.

Thats why widows are most often accused.(they have no means to defend

their property)

 

Pretending they are poor victims makes it easy to backstab their

enemies under the guise that they are the victims and those they

want to harm are their attackers. That is a way to get support and

help from the community for creul acts you usually would never get

community support.

 

Acting in that way my customers usually tried to persuade me to

attack their "attackers" or at least "protect" them in a way that

harms their enemies by backfiring the "magic" i.e. hurling their own

problems and evil karma unto innocent others.

 

All this pretending of being the victim was in essence only a way to

disguise their own wish to curse others while keeping a good

conscience.

 

Off course they believed all the rubbish they told me, these are all

unconscious functions. This fact made dealing with these psychopaths

highly problematic i am happy i don´t need to deal all this anymore.

 

People that come and tell you that this or that persons is attacking

them most often only want your support in their attempt to harm

others for whatever reasons.

 

This does not imply that anyone coming to this forum is such a person

but we should not forget, this is the internet, we have no means to

decide whether or not the claims made are real or not.

Maybe people that come here are under some attack maybe not we

cannot find out.

 

If there are some spiritual problems nobody will be able to help

through the internet. This not easy even if you meet people face to

face.

 

But what i can say for shure is that accusing others of witchcraft

without even giving a reason, is evil and leads to discord and maybe

more evil in the community.

The Chance that one can become part of the preparation for inciting

discord and maybe crime when giving support to such mental structures

and behaviour, in such a case is high, the chance to help soemone

with a spiritual problem is low.

 

This is in my opinion the sad truth.

 

Mahahradanatha

 

 

 

 

 

, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> With respect to what you are saying Mahahradanatha:

>

> I think when people say witchcraft in India, they don't mean a

witch as the type we have in here in America (Wiccan, pagan, nature

worshiper, etc.). I think that people in India are referring to the

very bad type of TANTRIC that can be commonly found and employed to

cause all kinds of problems with vashikaran, and various rituals and

such used to put others under control. They commonly do this by

putting items in food (ashes of: corpses, hair, nails, semen, blood),

burying ritualized bones and such in the yards of others, using items

belonging to the person (hair, clothing, etc.), taking the control of

souls to do bidding, among many, many, various means. My mother who

was born in 1943, told me that her great grandmother, (my Great-

Great Grandmother) (1887-1960), was always insistant about never

leaving hair in brushes and combs etc., for this reason! This is

very common in Southern African-American culture. So, many, many

people believe in this stuff down here.

> Especially the older people.

>

> Not only is this very common in India, it is also common in

Africa, the Carribean (especially Haiti), Native America, & most

indigenous cultures. Nevertheless, this IS VERY REAL and can cause

much harm to the unsuspecting. But again, with respect to what you

are saying, I am sure there is also a certain amount of paranoia that

prevails.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> I don´t know how many people suffer from actual

witchcraft or black

> magic. Not too many because nowaday there are few people who have

the

> necessary siddhis to actually harm someone.

>

> But i do know that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer

from

> being accused to work black magic on others.

>

> But there are many who imagine to be victims of black magic who

> themselves endanger innocent people, these people only pretend or

> believe to be victims they are most often mentally disturbed and in

> fact perpetrators not victims.

> I am not writing this because i do not believe in witchcraft or

black

> magic, on the contrary, i am writing this because of a profound

> knowledge of this subject.

>

> Very few people are aware that accusing others of witchcraft is a

> very dark and evil act and can have most dire conesquences for the

> accused.

>

> "Witch hunting is a huge issue in the eastern states of India, such

> as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa and the neighboring areas

of

> Maharashtra, which have large tribal populations with traditional

> beliefs about witches. Indian newspapers periodically publish

reports

> about women who, after being accused of witchcraft, have been

beaten

> to death, had their houses expropriated, their heads shaved or had

> strings of shoes hung around their necks. Yet, nothing seems to

stop

> these abuses. Not even the pressure of NGOs, such as the Free Legal

> Aid Committee (FLAC),based in Jamshedpur (the steel city of

> Jharkhand) whose efforts prompted one state –Jharkhand- to pass an

> Anti-Witch Hunting Act in 1999, has fully eradicated the problem.

In

> the last 15 years, more than 2500 Indian women have been killed in

> the name of witchcraft. According to FLAC, 670 of these women were

> murdered between 2004 and 2005."

> Arpita Sutradhar article I witnessed a witch hunt.

>

> Please think twice before you give advice to victims of witchcraft

on

> the net, one should not enforce suspicions and question

allegations,

> otherwise one might unknowingly become part of the cause of severe

> injustice being done to innocents.

> Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

> about the alleged victims of black magic?

>

> Mahahradanatha

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

So true, which is why I always give recommendations to such people which cannot possibly harm them such as the kleem doom bija padam. Protection is often protection from ones self and ones own evil tendencies - vasanas.

 

As said in the Yoga Vasishta - if one has no death in them then where can the tiger's claws penetrate? Therefore, 'no spell but the spell of ignorance' (Maharishi Mahesh).

 

If everyone in the world knew what the hell they were doing and what was going on then there would be no crimes and punishments and so on. It's ignorance which continues the samsaric cycles of reward and punishment, and then what -

 

- someone wants to perform black magic upon someone else or reverse a spell with damnation attached. Ha Ha

 

The cycle repeats. So best to remove oneself from the cycle of the vasanas altogether with greater compassion and charity than previously. Mercy upon others, is mercy towards oneself.

 

 

-

mahahradanatha

 

Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:24 AM

Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

 

 

Dear Janardana Dasa,

As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in Europe

in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

 

That is not what i am talking about, if i would talk about what i

have seen happen in the area of real magic, you would think i am a

liar.

[Guest guest]

I have often heard from staunch members from an organised religion

that we Hindus indulge in demon worship. Our divine images are

called demons. Imagine their response if they had learnt that I am

very comfortable with goddess Kali considering her associations with

the darker side.

 

I am sure if we lived in Europe in medieval times and practiced our

shakta tradition, we will be accused of witchcraft and burnt at

stake.

 

If you hold a knife, it's up to you to cut and kill or cut and cook.

Good and bad is in your hands. So black magic and white magic is in

your hands.

 

I know a so called `good person in hindu terms' wave havoc on lives

of their enemies. And then return to her `good self' again. So

should these so called `good people' be killed' or someone who is

practising a certain kind of tantra who is suspected of being a

witch is to be killed?

 

Any fool can learn black magic. We hold the knife to cut to live or

to cut to kill.

 

If witches were killed in India, then the grave mistake is again

repeated. Innocent people are killed India just like the innocent

people who have been killed in the middle ages in Europe .

[Guest guest]

To me the witch hunt is evil! Being one who once was burnt at the stake, I am biased! I regard all life as sacred! Anyone who takes lives in vain forfeits their own life! Ed

[Guest guest]

That's funny. I always felt I was burnt at the stake in former lives too.

 

 

-

Edward Cook

 

Monday, July 03, 2006 12:37 PM

Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

 

 

To me the witch hunt is evil! Being one who once was burnt at the stake, I am biased! I regard all life as sacred! Anyone who takes lives in vain forfeits their own life! Ed

[Guest guest]

, "Llundrub" <llundrub

wrote:

 

> As said in the Yoga Vasishta - if one has no death in them then

where can the tiger's claws penetrate? Therefore, 'no spell but the

spell of ignorance' (Maharishi Mahesh).

>

> If everyone in the world knew what the hell they were doing and

what was going on then there would be no crimes and punishments and

so on. It's ignorance which continues the samsaric cycles of reward

and punishment, and then what -

>

> - someone wants to perform black magic upon someone else or reverse

a spell with damnation attached. Ha Ha

>

Victims of BM can be cowards, it is not only that the magic should

be gone but they usually take pains to make shure that it MUST

backfire. But sometimes the whole "attack" is only some backfiring of

their own dabbling in magic. hehe funny people.

 

> The cycle repeats. So best to remove oneself from the cycle of the

vasanas altogether with greater compassion and charity than

previously. Mercy upon others, is mercy towards oneself.

>

 

For real help diagnosis of the situation is most important, to

entangle the persons from their past karma, something which cannot be

done on the net, a spiritual counsellor or shaman or witch doctor or

whatever has to exactly do this he must therefore try to understand

how the situation came to be like it is, before correct

countermeasures can be advised.

 

Which ultimately should free the person from his entanglements

(vasanas kleshas) and prevent further problems.

 

Like i wrote most often the victims do not give the correct or full

information, one has to ask Questions and also gather Information by

Intuition and clairvoyance.

 

Some small informations can change the whole picture, lets say you

find out that the "victim" himself is a disciple of a guru, maybe

called Toad or Stud or Putt or something like that, it doesnt

matter, recommending all kinds of sadhanas mo matter how many legs

and gaping mouth the spirits called have, *g* (like vetalas, bhutas,

pretas, i.e zombies vampires, spirits of the dead).

 

Then next thing you may ask yourself why "the hell" he is not going

to lets say Jammu or Delhi and ask his fellow disciples or his Guru

for help, who apparently know so much about abhichar?

 

 

 

Mahahradantha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> -

> mahahradanatha

>

> Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:24 AM

> Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

>

>

> Dear Janardana Dasa,

> As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in

Europe

> in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

>

> That is not what i am talking about, if i would talk about what i

> have seen happen in the area of real magic, you would think i am a

> liar.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Can you please define what do you mean by 'black magic'?

 

As far as the Witchcraft is concerned, Traditional Witchcraft is

global phenomenon which 'evolved' from Shamanism and Animism and it

predates Paganism. Word Witch means skill or craft (croatian word

Vjestica means skilled woman and croatian word Vjestac means skilled

man). Here in Balcan (Croatia, Serbia...) we stil have living people

practicing these kind of faith/magical system. Basic characteristics

of Witchcraft are workings with the Spirits of Nature, communication

with the dead, clairvoyance, healing techniques, entering a trans

state and astral flight. Great Mother (goddes of fertility) and

Horned God (protector of wild animals, hunt and cattle) are the main

deities. Witchcraft was and still is very closed system that demends

initiation (which occures on Astral plane or by birth and in both

cases it is a by a help of "supernatural" entities).

 

 

 

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha wrote:

>

> As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in

Europe

> in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Since this is a list on Hindu worship of Shakti prolongend discussion

of modern witchcraft, or magic is off topic and inappropriate.

My main intent is to suggest that advice concerning black magicians

commonly called witches, should be well thought about, especially

when other people are suspected or accused of being the actors of

evil.

If there would be such a thing as "Witch pointing" in my family i.e

suggesting others are black magicians or witchesa nd looking for

signs, i would have been dead right after my birth, since i was born

after only seven month pregnancy with my navel string tied around my

throat, and my feet coming out first.

Babys have been killed for less, if their parents suspected they

where witches.

Becausethat others are suspected to be evil magicians or witches many

innocents are harmend even today, my intent is to speak up against

this injust and evil custom, not to define black magic or witchcraft.

Spiritual problems can have many causes. If one dabbles with magic

and has some backfiring he can come and complain about an "attack"

even if he just encountered a defense repelling his evil intent.

This is only one example of the way many of the accusations start.

One should never accuse others of evil magic.

Mahahradanatha

 

 

, "ReapeR" <thereaper wrote:

>

> Hello,

> Can you please define what do you mean by 'black magic'?

>

> As far as the Witchcraft is concerned, Traditional Witchcraft is

> global phenomenon which 'evolved' from Shamanism and Animism and it

> predates Paganism. Word Witch means skill or craft (croatian word

> Vjestica means skilled woman and croatian word Vjestac means

skilled

> man). Here in Balcan (Croatia, Serbia...) we stil have living

people

> practicing these kind of faith/magical system. Basic

characteristics

> of Witchcraft are workings with the Spirits of Nature,

communication

> with the dead, clairvoyance, healing techniques, entering a trans

> state and astral flight. Great Mother (goddes of fertility) and

> Horned God (protector of wild animals, hunt and cattle) are the

main

> deities. Witchcraft was and still is very closed system that

demends

> initiation (which occures on Astral plane or by birth and in both

> cases it is a by a help of "supernatural" entities).

>

>

>

> , "mahahradanatha"

> <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> >

> > As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in

> Europe

> > in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

>

[Guest guest]

My dear Maharadanatha,

 

You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to help and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that my ex wife has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into my food - she is Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg happens among this community, unfortunately. I onbly came to know about this when she had to go out-station on office training, and could not break the sequence of administrating, and had to ask me to take it myself ! Which I did, as she said it was for a happy home. We had, as you know been married for 18 years. It is now 3 years since she walked out, I calling her back for the sake of my 2 kids, and then leaving myself.

 

So please do not say it is all imagination or simply wanting to harm someone. You had offered but not given any protection of direction thereof to the best of my knowledge. Generalising doesn't even work for snow flakes or grains of sand, at least not for me.

 

There are many people out there, who pick-up spiritual tricks and sprinkle hexes around, like a hacker or virus creator, just for the thrill. There is never any smoke without fire, so why are you closing your mind to the possibility that some people do come to you with a genuine problem in mind.

 

What is the use to be a great Natha or Aghori or any Spiritual Being if the Light of Love does not Shine. How can my home be safe if others around me burn ?

 

God Bless All of Us !

 

Pained and Happy :-)

 

Vir

 

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: Dear Janardana Dasa,

As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in Europe in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

 

That is not what i am talking about, if i would talk about what i

have seen happen in the area of real magic, you would think i am a

liar.

 

Apart from this real magic i have met a lot of people who believed

they where victims of black magic, because of my job as a herbalist, they where looking for potions and spells against their attackers.

 

Do not be mistaken about some of these "poor victims" sometimes those that believe they are cursed, and especially those that immediatelly tell you WHO cursed them, are really stickum evil people looking for a way to wreak some sort of vengeance on those they think are "attackers" most often the real motive is greed and/or jealousy.

 

As can be seen in the case studies of witch hunts in tribal cultures

or the middle ages in europe. appropriation of the material goods of the witch, i.e greed, was a common hidden motive behind witch hunts. Thats why widows are most often accused.(they have no means to defend their property)

 

Pretending they are poor victims makes it easy to backstab their

enemies under the guise that they are the victims and those they

want to harm are their attackers. That is a way to get support and

help from the community for creul acts you usually would never get

community support.

 

Acting in that way my customers usually tried to persuade me to

attack their "attackers" or at least "protect" them in a way that

harms their enemies by backfiring the "magic" i.e. hurling their own

problems and evil karma unto innocent others.

 

All this pretending of being the victim was in essence only a way to

disguise their own wish to curse others while keeping a good

conscience.

 

Off course they believed all the rubbish they told me, these are all

unconscious functions. This fact made dealing with these psychopaths

highly problematic i am happy i don�t need to deal all this anymore.

 

People that come and tell you that this or that persons is attacking

them most often only want your support in their attempt to harm

others for whatever reasons.

 

This does not imply that anyone coming to this forum is such a person

but we should not forget, this is the internet, we have no means to

decide whether or not the claims made are real or not.

Maybe people that come here are under some attack maybe not we

cannot find out.

 

If there are some spiritual problems nobody will be able to help

through the internet. This not easy even if you meet people face to

face.

 

But what i can say for shure is that accusing others of witchcraft

without even giving a reason, is evil and leads to discord and maybe

more evil in the community.

The Chance that one can become part of the preparation for inciting

discord and maybe crime when giving support to such mental structures

and behaviour, in such a case is high, the chance to help soemone

with a spiritual problem is low.

 

This is in my opinion the sad truth.

 

Mahahradanatha

 

, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> With respect to what you are saying Mahahradanatha:

>

> I think when people say witchcraft in India, they don't mean a

witch as the type we have in here in America (Wiccan, pagan, nature

worshiper, etc.). I think that people in India are referring to the

very bad type of TANTRIC that can be commonly found and employed to

cause all kinds of problems with vashikaran, and various rituals and

such used to put others under control. They commonly do this by

putting items in food (ashes of: corpses, hair, nails, semen, blood),

burying ritualized bones and such in the yards of others, using items

belonging to the person (hair, clothing, etc.), taking the control of

souls to do bidding, among many, many, various means. My mother who

was born in 1943, told me that her great grandmother, (my Great-

Great Grandmother) (1887-1960), was always insistant about never

leaving hair in brushes and combs etc., for this reason! This is

very common in Southern African-American culture. So, many, many

people believe in this stuff down here.

> Especially the older people.

>

> Not only is this very common in India, it is also common in

Africa, the Carribean (especially Haiti), Native America, & most

indigenous cultures. Nevertheless, this IS VERY REAL and can cause

much harm to the unsuspecting. But again, with respect to what you

are saying, I am sure there is also a certain amount of paranoia that

prevails.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> I don�t know how many people suffer from actual

witchcraft or black

> magic. Not too many because nowaday there are few people who have

the

> necessary siddhis to actually harm someone.

>

> But i do know that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer

from

> being accused to work black magic on others.

>

> But there are many who imagine to be victims of black magic who

> themselves endanger innocent people, these people only pretend or

> believe to be victims they are most often mentally disturbed and in

> fact perpetrators not victims.

> I am not writing this because i do not believe in witchcraft or

black

> magic, on the contrary, i am writing this because of a profound

> knowledge of this subject.

>

> Very few people are aware that accusing others of witchcraft is a

> very dark and evil act and can have most dire conesquences for the

> accused.

>

> "Witch hunting is a huge issue in the eastern states of India, such

> as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa and the neighboring areas

of

> Maharashtra, which have large tribal populations with traditional

> beliefs about witches. Indian newspapers periodically publish

reports

> about women who, after being accused of witchcraft, have been

beaten

> to death, had their houses expropriated, their heads shaved or had

> strings of shoes hung around their necks. Yet, nothing seems to

stop

> these abuses. Not even the pressure of NGOs, such as the Free Legal

> Aid Committee (FLAC),based in Jamshedpur (the steel city of

> Jharkhand) whose efforts prompted one state �Jharkhand- to pass an

> Anti-Witch Hunting Act in 1999, has fully eradicated the problem.

In

> the last 15 years, more than 2500 Indian women have been killed in

> the name of witchcraft. According to FLAC, 670 of these women were

> murdered between 2004 and 2005."

> Arpita Sutradhar article I witnessed a witch hunt.

>

> Please think twice before you give advice to victims of witchcraft

on

> the net, one should not enforce suspicions and question

allegations,

> otherwise one might unknowingly become part of the cause of severe

> injustice being done to innocents.

> Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

> about the alleged victims of black magic?

>

> Mahahradanatha

[Guest guest]

My dear Vir

Now you know what evil bumchods these naths and aghors are!

You ask them for a cure and they say they give blessing, and you care

to write long email and nothing happens,you still have problems with

your wife, i still have no job, this cannot be a real nath.

Stupid fake nath, one should call the police - maybe he and my wife

nee some lathi charge immediately.

 

"Think i should better start running quick, vir and the police are

after me.... bye bye

 

Mahahradantha did i ever sign with "the great miracle nath who can

solve all magical problem through email for no charge and with no

trust."

 

 

 

 

 

, Vir Rawlley <redderred

wrote:

>

> My dear Maharadanatha,

>

> You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to

help and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that

my ex wife has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into

my food - she is Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg

happens among this community, unfortunately. I onbly came to know

about this when she had to go out-station on office training, and

could not break the sequence of administrating, and had to ask me to

take it myself ! Which I did, as she said it was for a happy home.

We had, as you know been married for 18 years. It is now 3 years

since she walked out, I calling her back for the sake of my 2 kids,

and then leaving myself.

>

> So please do not say it is all imagination or simply wanting to

harm someone. You had offered but not given any protection of

direction thereof to the best of my knowledge. Generalising doesn't

even work for snow flakes or grains of sand, at least not for me.

>

> There are many people out there, who pick-up spiritual tricks and

sprinkle hexes around, like a hacker or virus creator, just for the

thrill. There is never any smoke without fire, so why are you

closing your mind to the possibility that some people do come to you

with a genuine problem in mind.

>

> What is the use to be a great Natha or Aghori or any Spiritual

Being if the Light of Love does not Shine. How can my home be safe

if others around me burn ?

>

> God Bless All of Us !

>

> Pained and Happy :-)

>

> Vir

>

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha

wrote: Dear Janardana Dasa,

> As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in

Europe in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

>

> That is not what i am talking about, if i would talk about what i

> have seen happen in the area of real magic, you would think i am a

> liar.

>

> Apart from this real magic i have met a lot of people who believed

> they where victims of black magic, because of my job as a

herbalist, they where looking for potions and spells against their

attackers.

>

> Do not be mistaken about some of these "poor victims" sometimes

those that believe they are cursed, and especially those that

immediatelly tell you WHO cursed them, are really stickum evil

people looking for a way to wreak some sort of vengeance on those

they think are "attackers" most often the real motive is greed and/or

jealousy.

>

> As can be seen in the case studies of witch hunts in tribal cultures

> or the middle ages in europe. appropriation of the material goods

of the witch, i.e greed, was a common hidden motive behind witch

hunts. Thats why widows are most often accused.(they have no means to

defend their property)

>

> Pretending they are poor victims makes it easy to backstab their

> enemies under the guise that they are the victims and those they

> want to harm are their attackers. That is a way to get support and

> help from the community for creul acts you usually would never get

> community support.

>

> Acting in that way my customers usually tried to persuade me to

> attack their "attackers" or at least "protect" them in a way that

> harms their enemies by backfiring the "magic" i.e. hurling their

own

> problems and evil karma unto innocent others.

>

> All this pretending of being the victim was in essence only a way

to

> disguise their own wish to curse others while keeping a good

> conscience.

>

> Off course they believed all the rubbish they told me, these are

all

> unconscious functions. This fact made dealing with these

psychopaths

> highly problematic i am happy i don�t need to deal all this

anymore.

>

> People that come and tell you that this or that persons is

attacking

> them most often only want your support in their attempt to harm

> others for whatever reasons.

>

> This does not imply that anyone coming to this forum is such a

person

> but we should not forget, this is the internet, we have no means to

> decide whether or not the claims made are real or not.

> Maybe people that come here are under some attack maybe not we

> cannot find out.

>

> If there are some spiritual problems nobody will be able to help

> through the internet. This not easy even if you meet people face

to

> face.

>

> But what i can say for shure is that accusing others of witchcraft

> without even giving a reason, is evil and leads to discord and

maybe

> more evil in the community.

> The Chance that one can become part of the preparation for inciting

> discord and maybe crime when giving support to such mental

structures

> and behaviour, in such a case is high, the chance to help soemone

> with a spiritual problem is low.

>

> This is in my opinion the sad truth.

>

> Mahahradanatha

>

> , Janardana Dasa

> <lightdweller@> wrote:

> >

> > With respect to what you are saying Mahahradanatha:

> >

> > I think when people say witchcraft in India, they don't mean a

> witch as the type we have in here in America (Wiccan, pagan, nature

> worshiper, etc.). I think that people in India are referring to

the

> very bad type of TANTRIC that can be commonly found and employed to

> cause all kinds of problems with vashikaran, and various rituals

and

> such used to put others under control. They commonly do this by

> putting items in food (ashes of: corpses, hair, nails, semen,

blood),

> burying ritualized bones and such in the yards of others, using

items

> belonging to the person (hair, clothing, etc.), taking the control

of

> souls to do bidding, among many, many, various means. My mother

who

> was born in 1943, told me that her great grandmother, (my Great-

> Great Grandmother) (1887-1960), was always insistant about never

> leaving hair in brushes and combs etc., for this reason! This is

> very common in Southern African-American culture. So, many, many

> people believe in this stuff down here.

> > Especially the older people.

> >

> > Not only is this very common in India, it is also common in

> Africa, the Carribean (especially Haiti), Native America, & most

> indigenous cultures. Nevertheless, this IS VERY REAL and can cause

> much harm to the unsuspecting. But again, with respect to what you

> are saying, I am sure there is also a certain amount of paranoia

that

> prevails.

> >

> > Just a thought.

> >

> > JANARDANA DASA

> >

> > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> > I don�t know how many people suffer from actual

> witchcraft or black

> > magic. Not too many because nowaday there are few people who have

> the

> > necessary siddhis to actually harm someone.

> >

> > But i do know that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer

> from

> > being accused to work black magic on others.

> >

> > But there are many who imagine to be victims of black magic who

> > themselves endanger innocent people, these people only pretend or

> > believe to be victims they are most often mentally disturbed and

in

> > fact perpetrators not victims.

> > I am not writing this because i do not believe in witchcraft or

> black

> > magic, on the contrary, i am writing this because of a profound

> > knowledge of this subject.

> >

> > Very few people are aware that accusing others of witchcraft is a

> > very dark and evil act and can have most dire conesquences for

the

> > accused.

> >

> > "Witch hunting is a huge issue in the eastern states of India,

such

> > as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa and the neighboring

areas

> of

> > Maharashtra, which have large tribal populations with traditional

> > beliefs about witches. Indian newspapers periodically publish

> reports

> > about women who, after being accused of witchcraft, have been

> beaten

> > to death, had their houses expropriated, their heads shaved or

had

> > strings of shoes hung around their necks. Yet, nothing seems to

> stop

> > these abuses. Not even the pressure of NGOs, such as the Free

Legal

> > Aid Committee (FLAC),based in Jamshedpur (the steel city of

> > Jharkhand) whose efforts prompted one state �Jharkhand- to

pass an

> > Anti-Witch Hunting Act in 1999, has fully eradicated the problem.

> In

> > the last 15 years, more than 2500 Indian women have been killed

in

> > the name of witchcraft. According to FLAC, 670 of these women

were

> > murdered between 2004 and 2005."

> > Arpita Sutradhar article I witnessed a witch hunt.

> >

> > Please think twice before you give advice to victims of

witchcraft

> on

> > the net, one should not enforce suspicions and question

> allegations,

> > otherwise one might unknowingly become part of the cause of

severe

> > injustice being done to innocents.

> > Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

> > about the alleged victims of black magic?

> >

> > Mahahradanatha

>

[Guest guest]

I enjoyed this prose Maha.

 

Even Jesus, Buddha, Dattatreya, and Shankara didn't solve all mankind's problems. They were just like doctors for those who are sick. Which is everyone. But many never knowing of a cure continue to live in suffering.

 

The cure is recognition of the divine as omnipresent, leading everyone by their own abilities of perception to greater wholeness.

 

Ignorance itself is very hard to cure and requires often seemingly hugely unskillful means for waking it up. Often that looks like black magic. Shumba and Nishumba from earwax, and then Mahakali to show how the timeless looks in full armour. Ignorance and liberation are one!

 

The cure for the black arts is to undermine the dualism and so see them as they really are, as expressions of the base of all existance, just as everything else. 'There is no spell but the spell of ignorance.' Sorry if my advaita offends some.Black magic is also the Veda.

 

 

 

 

Mahahradantha did i ever sign with "the great miracle nath who can

solve all magical problem through email for no charge and with no

trust."

[Guest guest]

Dear Vir: Go on with what you believe, and ignore this vain discussion.

JANARDANA DASA

Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote:

My dear Maharadanatha,

 

You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to help and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that my ex wife has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into my food - she is Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg happens among this community, unfortunately. I onbly came to know about this when she had to go out-station on office training, and could not break the sequence of administrating, and had to ask me to take it myself ! Which I did, as she said it was for a happy home. We had, as you know been married for 18 years. It is now 3 years since she walked out, I calling her back for the sake of my 2 kids, and then leaving myself.

 

So please do not say it is all imagination or simply wanting to harm someone. You had offered but not given any protection of direction thereof to the best of my knowledge. Generalising doesn't even work for snow flakes or grains of sand, at least not for me.

 

There are many people out there, who pick-up spiritual tricks and sprinkle hexes around, like a hacker or virus creator, just for the thrill. There is never any smoke without fire, so why are you closing your mind to the possibility that some people do come to you with a genuine problem in mind.

 

What is the use to be a great Natha or Aghori or any Spiritual Being if the Light of Love does not Shine. How can my home be safe if others around me burn ?

 

God Bless All of Us !

 

Pained and Happy :-)

 

Vir

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha > wrote: Dear Janardana Dasa,

As i already wrote i do not doubt that black magic exists, in Europe in India, in Africa, in America, everywhere.

 

That is not what i am talking about, if i would talk about what i

have seen happen in the area of real magic, you would think i am a

liar.

 

Apart from this real magic i have met a lot of people who believed

they where victims of black magic, because of my job as a herbalist, they where looking for potions and spells against their attackers.

 

Do not be mistaken about some of these "poor victims" sometimes those that believe they are cursed, and especially those that immediatelly tell you WHO cursed them, are really stickum evil people looking for a way to wreak some sort of vengeance on those they think are "attackers" most often the real motive is greed and/or jealousy.

 

As can be seen in the case studies of witch hunts in tribal cultures

or the middle ages in europe. appropriation of the material goods of the witch, i.e greed, was a common hidden motive behind witch hunts. Thats why widows are most often accused.(they have no means to defend their property)

 

Pretending they are poor victims makes it easy to backstab their

enemies under the guise that they are the victims and those they

want to harm are their attackers. That is a way to get support and

help from the community for creul acts you usually would never get

community support.

 

Acting in that way my customers usually tried to persuade me to

attack their "attackers" or at least "protect" them in a way that

harms their enemies by backfiring the "magic" i.e. hurling their own

problems and evil karma unto innocent others.

 

All this pretending of being the victim was in essence only a way to

disguise their own wish to curse others while keeping a good

conscience.

 

Off course they believed all the rubbish they told me, these are all

unconscious functions. This fact made dealing with these psychopaths

highly problematic i am happy i don�t need to deal all this anymore..

 

People that come and tell you that this or that persons is attacking

them most often only want your support in their attempt to harm

others for whatever reasons.

 

This does not imply that anyone coming to this forum is such a person

but we should not forget, this is the internet, we have no means to

decide whether or not the claims made are real or not.

Maybe people that come here are under some attack maybe not we

cannot find out.

 

If there are some spiritual problems nobody will be able to help

through the internet. This not easy even if you meet people face to

face.

 

But what i can say for shure is that accusing others of witchcraft

without even giving a reason, is evil and leads to discord and maybe

more evil in the community.

The Chance that one can become part of the preparation for inciting

discord and maybe crime when giving support to such mental structures

and behaviour, in such a case is high, the chance to help soemone

with a spiritual problem is low.

 

This is in my opinion the sad truth.

 

Mahahradanatha

 

, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> With respect to what you are saying Mahahradanatha:

>

> I think when people say witchcraft in India, they don't mean a

witch as the type we have in here in America (Wiccan, pagan, nature

worshiper, etc.). I think that people in India are referring to the

very bad type of TANTRIC that can be commonly found and employed to

cause all kinds of problems with vashikaran, and various rituals and

such used to put others under control. They commonly do this by

putting items in food (ashes of: corpses, hair, nails, semen, blood),

burying ritualized bones and such in the yards of others, using items

belonging to the person (hair, clothing, etc.), taking the control of

souls to do bidding, among many, many, various means. My mother who

was born in 1943, told me that her great grandmother, (my Great-

Great Grandmother) (1887-1960), was always insistant about never

leaving hair in brushes and combs etc., for this reason! This is

very common in Southern African-American culture. So, many, many

people believe in this stuff down here.

> Especially the older people.

>

> Not only is this very common in India, it is also common in

Africa, the Carribean (especially Haiti), Native America, & most

indigenous cultures. Nevertheless, this IS VERY REAL and can cause

much harm to the unsuspecting. But again, with respect to what you

are saying, I am sure there is also a certain amount of paranoia that

prevails.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> I don�t know how many people suffer from actual

witchcraft or black

> magic. Not too many because nowaday there are few people who have

the

> necessary siddhis to actually harm someone.

>

> But i do know that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer

from

> being accused to work black magic on others.

>

> But there are many who imagine to be victims of black magic who

> themselves endanger innocent people, these people only pretend or

> believe to be victims they are most often mentally disturbed and in

> fact perpetrators not victims.

> I am not writing this because i do not believe in witchcraft or

black

> magic, on the contrary, i am writing this because of a profound

> knowledge of this subject.

>

> Very few people are aware that accusing others of witchcraft is a

> very dark and evil act and can have most dire conesquences for the

> accused.

>

> "Witch hunting is a huge issue in the eastern states of India, such

> as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa and the neighboring areas

of

> Maharashtra, which have large tribal populations with traditional

> beliefs about witches. Indian newspapers periodically publish

reports

> about women who, after being accused of witchcraft, have been

beaten

> to death, had their houses expropriated, their heads shaved or had

> strings of shoes hung around their necks. Yet, nothing seems to

stop

> these abuses. Not even the pressure of NGOs, such as the Free Legal

> Aid Committee (FLAC),based in Jamshedpur (the steel city of

> Jharkhand) whose efforts prompted one state �Jharkhand- to pass an

> Anti-Witch Hunting Act in 1999, has fully eradicated the problem.

In

> the last 15 years, more than 2500 Indian women have been killed in

> the name of witchcraft. According to FLAC, 670 of these women were

> murdered between 2004 and 2005."

> Arpita Sutradhar article I witnessed a witch hunt.

>

> Please think twice before you give advice to victims of witchcraft

on

> the net, one should not enforce suspicions and question

allegations,

> otherwise one might unknowingly become part of the cause of severe

> injustice being done to innocents.

> Do i need to emphasize that if i say "innocents" i am not talking

> about the alleged victims of black magic?

>

> Mahahradanatha

 

 

 

 

 

 

How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

[Guest guest]

If I may ask a question? What does putting Muslim ashes have to do with Vam Marga?

 

And how can ashes be Muslim? Seems more like Ex-Muslim!!!

 

 

-

Janardana Dasa

 

Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:06 AM

Re: Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

 

 

Dear Vir: Go on with what you believe, and ignore this vain discussion.

JANARDANA DASA

Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote:

My dear Maharadanatha,

 

You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to help and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that my ex wife has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into my food - she is Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg happens among this community, unfortunately.

[Guest guest]

, "Llundrub" <llundrub

wrote:

>

> I enjoyed this prose Maha.

>

> Even Jesus, Buddha, Dattatreya, and Shankara didn't solve all

>mankind's problems.

 

Maybe because they had no valid email adresses?

 

Of course i am not responsible for the fact that writing two emails

to Mahahradanatha was not enough to completly solve all his problems

make him get a new job and solve his problems with his wife, too bad.

He really has reasons to complain about that cruel act of me.

 

Since i am such a cruel person withou Love, maybe he should try

writing an email to the Dalai Lama, he is supposed to be the

incarnation of loving kindness. Maybe HE can get him a new job and a

better wife. and also for his child will be tken good care.

 

> The cure for the black arts is to undermine the dualism and so see

>them as they really are, as expressions of the base of all

>existance, just as everything else. 'There is no spell but the spell

>of ignorance.'

 

In my experience like i wrote diagnosis is most important, each case

is different, each person is different, if the methods you describe

can be aplied depends on the case.

 

But you are right there are valid methods to stop evil influences

that are based on a nondual approach, like the Chod practice where

you go to the cementary call all evil spirits and offer your body to

them, after they have partaken of this feast they are pacified, and

because you have no name and form after this offering you can not be

harmend, because to be harmend you have to exist , but since you

have already offered yourself you do not exist.

 

But applying non dual methods like this, cannot be done by everyone.

 

You cannot turn a pigs ear into a silk purse everybody needs a

different approach.

 

But first of all one has to lead a life without impurity oneself, and

see that one does his duties according to the religion one follows,

so that no negative influences are attracted and if they approach

they will repelled back.

 

Mahahradanatha.

[Guest guest]

Hello folks..

 

I would like to add my 2 cents. My real life story.

 

My mom started to feel week and started having troubles. Now I would not

assume that she doesn't do puja well or doesn't have faith in either her

dieties or her master.

She though its just normal health problem. And started taking medicine. but

nothing worked. Again the thought of black magic popped in, but then we

though we are just being imaginative? Heck what do I know about it.

Now my mom can have visions. Something that I rarely or never have. So she

started having different visions, either in her meditation or sleep. They

all pointed that something is wrong. Off course again we though that she is

just imagining. Until one day when she was meditating, she heard a feminine

voice say, that she should visit her master, as someone has done something

over her. Well being it that obvious we went, and sure enough someone had

given her "intestine of owl". Dont ask me what that is or what that can do.

I have no idea anyhow. Master told it was a very bad thing, and that she

should listen to Mother Durga quicker in future...

 

Please ignore a) the grammar B) the mistakes in the sentence as I am not

good in English. But moral of the story..

 

1) Does Black Magic/ Witch Craft works. Heck yes. I have seen people dying,

or reaching the verge of death through it.

 

2) Does mother needs any help to cure her kid. Depends on how the kid is. If

he/she believes in mother I am 100% (and I mean it) certain she has 1001 way

of curing it. She can do it herself or may find someone to be the means of

doing what she wants.

 

3) Is it a bad thing. I would again agree to the knife theory. Its in your

hand. You are responsible for cutting vegetables to cook, or someones head

for your revenge. For me I dont see anything right or wrong with it, even

when I have myself been a victim of it.. :)

 

I have seen (with my own eyes) more than 1 cases, at least, where black

magic has leased havoc on innocent people. While this is also correct that

people tend to blame black magic for their own in-competencies, black magic

is there and can be used to cause harm. Off course you need someone who know

it to cure it too.

 

I hope I have conveyed what I wanted too..

Thanks

Deep

 

 

On 7/6/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> If I may ask a question? What does putting Muslim ashes have to do with

> Vam Marga?

>

> And how can ashes be Muslim? Seems more like Ex-Muslim!!!

>

>

> -

> Janardana Dasa

>

> Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:06 AM

> Re: Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

>

>

> Dear Vir: Go on with what you believe, and ignore this vain discussion.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

>

> Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote:

> My dear Maharadanatha,

>

> You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to help

> and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that my ex wife

> has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into my food - she is

> Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg happens among this

> community, unfortunately.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Intestine of owl sounds like a 'torpid liver' problem, or problem of too much vata/kapha, in the sense of loose bowels. People have been having much saturn afflictions recently.

 

People also need more rest as society travels too fast. Rest, as in, just do nothing at all. No stimulation beyond a good book.

 

Some of this can cure other's evil mindedness, by removing conditions which can vitiate into problems.

 

Results of evil intentions need conditions to manifest, so many many avenues of providence are available. Best and easiest is removing potentially negative conditions and thus, as if disarming a bandit, one cannot get shot.

 

 

-

Dhirendra Pal Singh

 

Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:07 PM

Re: Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

 

 

Hello folks..

 

I would like to add my 2 cents. My real life story.

 

My mom started to feel week and started having troubles. Now I would not

assume that she doesn't do puja well or doesn't have faith in either her

dieties or her master.

She though its just normal health problem. And started taking medicine. but

nothing worked. Again the thought of black magic popped in, but then we

though we are just being imaginative? Heck what do I know about it.

Now my mom can have visions. Something that I rarely or never have. So she

started having different visions, either in her meditation or sleep. They

all pointed that something is wrong. Off course again we though that she is

just imagining. Until one day when she was meditating, she heard a feminine

voice say, that she should visit her master, as someone has done something

over her. Well being it that obvious we went, and sure enough someone had

given her "intestine of owl". Dont ask me what that is or what that can do.

I have no idea anyhow. Master told it was a very bad thing, and that she

should listen to Mother Durga quicker in future...

 

Please ignore a) the grammar B) the mistakes in the sentence as I am not

good in English. But moral of the story..

 

1) Does Black Magic/ Witch Craft works. Heck yes. I have seen people dying,

or reaching the verge of death through it.

 

2) Does mother needs any help to cure her kid. Depends on how the kid is. If

he/she believes in mother I am 100% (and I mean it) certain she has 1001 way

of curing it. She can do it herself or may find someone to be the means of

doing what she wants.

 

3) Is it a bad thing. I would again agree to the knife theory. Its in your

hand. You are responsible for cutting vegetables to cook, or someones head

for your revenge. For me I dont see anything right or wrong with it, even

when I have myself been a victim of it.. :)

 

I have seen (with my own eyes) more than 1 cases, at least, where black

magic has leased havoc on innocent people. While this is also correct that

people tend to blame black magic for their own in-competencies, black magic

is there and can be used to cause harm. Off course you need someone who know

it to cure it too.

 

I hope I have conveyed what I wanted too..

Thanks

Deep

 

 

On 7/6/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> If I may ask a question? What does putting Muslim ashes have to do with

> Vam Marga?

>

> And how can ashes be Muslim? Seems more like Ex-Muslim!!!

>

>

> -

> Janardana Dasa

>

> Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:06 AM

> Re: Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

>

>

> Dear Vir: Go on with what you believe, and ignore this vain discussion.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

>

> Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote:

> My dear Maharadanatha,

>

> You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to help

> and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that my ex wife

> has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into my food - she is

> Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg happens among this

> community, unfortunately.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey,

 

Since english is my second language, I sometime wonder if you are making fun

or being serious. Off course I am big fan of your humor.

 

But if "intestine of owl" is weird. Allow me to give more example of thing

used in black magic. And please when I say black magic, I dont mean the kind

we read or talk in this "educated society". I mean people who practice this

day and night, in graveyards, and are destined .. well heck what do I know

what their destiny is.. I am still trying to figure out mine..

 

Here is the list that I have personally encountered, or someone I know has

encountered..

A) menstrual blood. (encountered it couple of times.)

B) Cloth.

C) Nails of Owl

D) Placenta of a black cat. (In hindi we call it as a "naal")

E) Your own nails. Very common.

F) Your own hair. again very common.. ( Still A is no 1 in creeping me out)

G) Some part of a horse. (dont remember which one. And no Llundrub its not

"that" which is very big. ha ha ha

H) Actually Brain of Owl too.. (Dayum, I guess everything of owl may have

something of black magic associated... I wonder why)

I) A string of thread after it has been energised, by mantras.

J) Cant think of any other one, or may doesn't want to elongate the list..

 

Allow me to elaborate of point I). This one is used most popularly among U.P.

in India. Since nothing fancy is needed. Its just a normal string with some

knots in it. They can be either 5, 7, 9, 11 or higher depend on how long you

want the person to suffer. Once ingested by the person ( off course its put

in some food other wise no one is that dumb to take it on their own. Some

higer end tantrks have been know to give it via air. Not sure if this is

true.) It starts to dissolve its own knots. With the dissolution of each

know the person starts becoming weak. On the dissolution of last knot off

course he/she leaves earth. I met someone who was on the verge of last but

1, knot dissolution. He was pale yellow I have never seen anyone like that

in my life. Off course once it was removed, withing a week got healthy

again.. and no I am not dreaming, hallucinating. As a matter of fact I never

have them. Wish I had some...

 

The above phara is not prove that I know stuff, hence helping my ego. Its

just stating facts that I have seen myself on someone, with my own eyes, or

faced the effect myself. While I am not saying that people should blindly

believe in them, I would like people to know that it does exist. I believe

knowledge is strength. So folks while we may give all the theories of how

negative thoughts, negative intentions, can do stuff, the reality of black

magic is rarely know and is hard to comprehend for "educated" folks like us.

You actually got to see the effects to believe it.

 

Thanks for reading..

 

Regards

Dp

 

 

 

On 7/6/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> Intestine of owl sounds like a 'torpid liver' problem, or problem of too

> much vata/kapha, in the sense of loose bowels. People have been having much

> saturn afflictions recently.

>

> People also need more rest as society travels too fast. Rest, as in, just

> do nothing at all. No stimulation beyond a good book.

>

> Some of this can cure other's evil mindedness, by removing conditions

> which can vitiate into problems.

>

> Results of evil intentions need conditions to manifest, so many many

> avenues of providence are available. Best and easiest is removing

> potentially negative conditions and thus, as if disarming a bandit, one

> cannot get shot.

>

>

> -

> Dhirendra Pal Singh

>

> Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:07 PM

> Re: Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

>

>

> Hello folks..

>

> I would like to add my 2 cents. My real life story.

>

> My mom started to feel week and started having troubles. Now I would not

> assume that she doesn't do puja well or doesn't have faith in either her

> dieties or her master.

> She though its just normal health problem. And started taking medicine.

> but

> nothing worked. Again the thought of black magic popped in, but then we

> though we are just being imaginative? Heck what do I know about it.

> Now my mom can have visions. Something that I rarely or never have. So she

> started having different visions, either in her meditation or sleep. They

> all pointed that something is wrong. Off course again we though that she

> is

> just imagining. Until one day when she was meditating, she heard a

> feminine

> voice say, that she should visit her master, as someone has done something

> over her. Well being it that obvious we went, and sure enough someone had

> given her "intestine of owl". Dont ask me what that is or what that can

> do.

> I have no idea anyhow. Master told it was a very bad thing, and that she

> should listen to Mother Durga quicker in future...

>

> Please ignore a) the grammar B) the mistakes in the sentence as I am not

> good in English. But moral of the story..

>

> 1) Does Black Magic/ Witch Craft works. Heck yes. I have seen people

> dying,

> or reaching the verge of death through it.

>

> 2) Does mother needs any help to cure her kid. Depends on how the kid is.

> If

> he/she believes in mother I am 100% (and I mean it) certain she has 1001

> way

> of curing it. She can do it herself or may find someone to be the means of

> doing what she wants.

>

> 3) Is it a bad thing. I would again agree to the knife theory. Its in your

> hand. You are responsible for cutting vegetables to cook, or someones head

> for your revenge. For me I dont see anything right or wrong with it, even

> when I have myself been a victim of it.. :)

>

> I have seen (with my own eyes) more than 1 cases, at least, where black

> magic has leased havoc on innocent people. While this is also correct

> that

> people tend to blame black magic for their own in-competencies, black

> magic

> is there and can be used to cause harm. Off course you need someone who

> know

> it to cure it too.

>

> I hope I have conveyed what I wanted too..

> Thanks

> Deep

>

>

> On 7/6/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

> >

> > If I may ask a question? What does putting Muslim ashes have to do with

> > Vam Marga?

> >

> > And how can ashes be Muslim? Seems more like Ex-Muslim!!!

> >

> >

> > -

> > Janardana Dasa

> >

> > Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:06 AM

> > Re: Re: Is Witchcraft or Witch Hunt evil?

> >

> >

> > Dear Vir: Go on with what you believe, and ignore this vain discussion.

> >

> > JANARDANA DASA

> >

> >

> > Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote:

> > My dear Maharadanatha,

> >

> > You may remember our personal email exchanges, when you offered to help

> > and then did nothing. I had very clearly explained to you that my ex

> wife

> > has been putting ashes from a Muslim dargha (grave) into my food - she

> is

> > Bengali, and a lot of negative use of the Vama Marg happens among this

> > community, unfortunately.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

*** Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote: "Actually Brain of Owl too.. (Dayum, I

guess everything of owl may have something of black magic associated

.... I wonder why) ***

 

Maybe influence of Harry Potter influence? ;-)

 

http://shaktisadhana.org/images/db_special/hp.JPG

[Guest guest]

, "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta

wrote:

>

> *** Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote: "Actually Brain of Owl too.. (Dayum, I

> guess everything of owl may have something of black magic associated

> ... I wonder why) ***

 

Dhumavatis agents are owls thats why,

 

Mahahradanatha

[Guest guest]

, "Dhirendra Pal Singh"

<dpal.singh wrote:

>

Since nothing fancy is needed. Its just a normal string with some

> knots in it. They can be either 5, 7, 9, 11 or higher depend on how

long you

> want the person to suffer. Once ingested by the person ( off course

its put

> in some food other wise no one is that dumb to take it on their

own. Some

> higer end tantrks have been know to give it via air. Not sure if

this is

> true.)

 

This is true the actual substances are not needed, thats why in nepal

if you are invited for eating you only get your dish and the family

wo invited you will leave the room after you have eaten they come

back. If one does not know this, of course you wait expecting they

return and dine with you, if they return and see you haven´t touched

your food they will immediatley again leave the room-of course this

can go on forawhile *g* until one or the other of the parties give up.

Btw the string spell is very old it has been known amongst the

ancient greek and roman magicians also and is still used in europe.

 

Mahahradanath

[Guest guest]

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha wrote:

>

> , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta@>

> wrote:

> >

> > *** Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote: "Actually Brain of Owl too.. (Dayum,

I

> > guess everything of owl may have something of black magic associated

> > ... I wonder why) ***

>

> Dhumavatis agents are owls thats why,

>

> Mahahradanatha

>

 

My mistake i mix everything up,Moduini is vimala Chamunda Dhumavati

Next try: Dhumavatis messengers is the crow, Chamundas messenger the

owl.

[Guest guest]

On 7/6/06, Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta > wrote:

>

> *** Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote: "Actually Brain of Owl too.. (Dayum, I

> guess everything of owl may have something of black magic associated

> ... I wonder why) ***

>

> Maybe influence of Harry Potter influence? ;-)

>

> http://shaktisadhana.org/images/db_special/hp.JPG

 

 

Now you have solved the mystery. ITs all Harry Potter's fault..ha ha ha

 

 

 

--

Thanks

Dp

[The force is feminine in nature]