Bathing in Ganga clears all karmic debt?

[Guest guest]

is it true that by bathing in the pure waters of Mother Ganga, that all my karmic debt is automatically cleared? Can Ganga bestow Moksha upon us? Please let me know.

[Guest guest]

Only SOME Hindus believe bathing in the Ganges washes off your sins and you will see many of them at the kumbh mela. Some believe bathing at the kumbh mela only will wash away your sins and others believe you can bathe in the ganges at any time and your sins are washed off and some believe as little as a drop of ganges water will wash away your sins. I don't think Hindus in India truly believe that ganges water is holy considering the filthy conditions of that water and their lack of caring for it. You have half-burnt bodies floating in the ganges as well as junk and human waste. They can't truly respect it can they, if they treat it so?

 

Others believe bathing at Ganges is just metaphorical and relates to spiritual awakening and a commitment to not engage in further sinfull activities.

 

I personally do not believe that bathing in the Ganges will wash away your sins, as this goes totally against the law of Karma. If this were true then Hitler could've just washed his sins off before he died and wouldn't have to worry about bad karma. In Hinduism, if you do wrong then you have to pay for it, there is no escape.

[Guest guest]

 

Only SOME Hindus believe bathing in the Ganges washes off your sins

 

But the Goddess Ganga has descended on earth to help us. She did not flow down from the spiritual worlds for no purpose, to just to be scenery. So I believe there are real blessings obtained in bathing in her waters. Like some have been cured of their diseases, entered into trances (while in the water), and felt emotionally and spiritually cleasned. Like they have a fresh start after bathing.

 

Why do we worship Mother Ganga on her holy banks if we do not believe she can bless us? we are not worshipping a mere body of water, we are worshipping the Goddess, who has appeared to us in this great flowing river.

 

 

In Hinduism, if you do wrong then you have to pay for it, there is no escape.

 

Karmic debt can be removed. Karma means reaction. Both Bhakti and Jnana can cause these reactions to never come to fruition.

 

Sri Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita:

 

“As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions [karma] to material activities.”

---- Bhagavad Gita 4:37 ----

[Guest guest]

 

But the Goddess Ganga has descended on earth to help us. She did not flow down from the spiritual worlds for no purpose, to just to be scenery. So I believe there are real blessings obtained in bathing in her waters. Like some have been cured of their diseases, entered into trances (while in the water), and felt emotionally and spiritually cleasned. Like they have a fresh start after bathing.

 

Why do we worship Mother Ganga on her holy banks if we do not believe she can bless us? we are not worshipping a mere body of water, we are worshipping the Goddess, who has appeared to us in this great flowing river.

 

Sri Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita:

 

“As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions [karma] to material activities.”

---- Bhagavad Gita 4:37 ----

 

You are speaking only for those Hindus who worship the Ganga as a goddess, this is not true for ALL Hindus. Not all Hindus believe that or bathe at ganges to wash off sins. The story of washing off sins at ganges comes from the puranas, not Vedas. Not all Hindus give the puranas much importance, but the Vedas are sruti. Plus, who exactly has been cured of diseases from bathing in the ganges? Has any case been seriously documented and investigated? I doubt it.

 

What Krishna talks about in the Gita is knowledge, once you have true knowledge you will no longer engage in sinful activities. By seeking knowledge you become enlightened.

[Guest guest]

The Vedas extol the rivers as sacred.

 

Hindus believe in the Devas and Devis as real beings, not metaphors. The Vedas do not say the Gods and Goddesses are merely allegorical figures. This is not to say that the stories can't have deeper metaphysical meaning, but still, the Devas are real beings who exist in higher planes. If a person does not believe in the Gods, then they are certainly not a vedic Hindu. There are temples all over India for the celestial Gods and Goddesses, because Hindus of all sects do believe in them as REAL beings. If Puja (to Ganga or any other Devi) is just symbolic, than we are just fooling ourselves with our rituals.

 

Sri Krishna says the gods are REAL beings, in the Gita. Goddess Ganga is one of those REAL beings. She is not a mythical being. Calling Mother Ganga a myth is offensive. Even if she is not a Devi you pray to, recognize that she bestows blessings on those who are devoted to her. There is power in her waters. Why do you think even the Yogis with the highest of attainments go to bask in her waters?

 

Bathing in the Ganga can purify the consciousness.

 

Of course there is more . . .

 

 

by Swami Yogananda

 

The original ceremony of baptism by water came from India. Baptism means immersion in water in order to cleanse or purify. Purification of the body should precede the purification of the mind. Hence, all souls who desired to begin living the spiritual life had to purify their bodies. "Cleanliness is next to Godliness, " but baptism of the body, unless followed by baptism of the mind, becomes practically meaningless. If we bathe and thus purify our bodies, we will find that our mind will temporarily become purified, but unless we change our souls' wickedness by calmness and meditation, and constant spiritual vigilance, we will remain the same old devils with bad habits in spite of the temporary purifying effect of the water on our bodies.

 

To illustrate this metaphorically: A Hindu saint said to his would be disciple, "Son, it is necessary to bathe in the Ganges to purify the mind from sin. The sins will leave you temporarily while you bathe in the holy waters; but they will wait for you in the trees skirting the Ganges, and as soon as you come out of the sacred influence of the holy water, they will again jump on you."

[Guest guest]

sorry, there is no way to remove all karmic debt, or all karma b/c we all have infinite karma.

 

it is called sanchita karma. the stored up karma from all the past lives.

 

but how many past lives did we have?

 

infinite. b/c we live in a cyclical universe. creation-preservation-dissolution. there is no beginning in a perfect circle. there is no end either. this is what the rishis taught.

 

how to get rid of karma then?

there is no way to get rid of karma. the only way is to give up ownership of it, by realizing true Atman and Brahman. this is called enlightenment, when one realizes fully thru experience that he is not body, senses, mind, or ahan-kara.

 

that is liberation.

 

liberation from the thought of there being an "i", from the thought of there being an individualitiy, the thought of there being an ego.

 

om namah shivaya

[Guest guest]

 

sorry, there is no way to remove all karmic debt, or all karma b/c we all have infinite karma.

 

it is called sanchita karma. the stored up karma from all the past lives.

 

but how many past lives did we have?

 

infinite. b/c we live in a cyclical universe. creation-preservation-dissolution. there is no beginning in a perfect circle. there is no end either. this is what the rishis taught.

 

how to get rid of karma then?

there is no way to get rid of karma. the only way is to give up ownership of it, by realizing true Atman and Brahman. this is called enlightenment, when one realizes fully thru experience that he is not body, senses, mind, or ahan-kara.

 

that is liberation.

 

liberation from the thought of there being an "i", from the thought of there being an individualitiy, the thought of there being an ego.

 

om namah shivaya

 

Namaste Ravi,

 

so enlightenment is the goal, for this removes attachment to karma, as stated in the verse quoted above.

 

“As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions [karma] to material activities.”

---- Bhagavad Gita 4:37 ----

 

I wonder how many have experienced a state of samadhi while in the waters of the Ganges? Can devotion to the Goddess, and pure faith in her powers, help us reach higher states of awareness?

[Guest guest]

 

If a person does not believe in the Gods, then they are certainly not a vedic Hindu. There are temples all over India for the celestial Gods and Goddesses, because Hindus of all sects do believe in them as REAL beings.

 

 

Speak for yourself, there have been notable Hindu leaders who would argue otherwise.

 

 

If Puja (to Ganga or any other Devi) is just symbolic, than we are just fooling ourselves with our rituals.

 

 

That'll be it then. A number of sages have said rituals are meaningless. The Upanishads show a shift in Hinduism about moving away from rituals to persure knoledge and experience. A think rituals are appropriate to certain people and are not a complete waste of time.

 

 

Sri Krishna says the gods are REAL beings, in the Gita. Goddess Ganga is one of those REAL beings. She is not a mythical being. Calling Mother Ganga a myth is offensive. Even if she is not a Devi you pray to, recognize that she bestows blessings on those who are devoted to her. There is power in her waters. Why do you think even the Yogis with the highest of attainments go to bask in her waters?

 

 

The Yogis were already enlightened before they bathed in the ganges. They bathe there becuase it is tradition. Also there may be spiritual vibrations around the ganges due to intense mediations done there throughout history. But if you really care so much about the 'mother' ganges do something to clean her up then, because many devotees don't seem to care. They treat the river with utter disrespect. If ganges water is holy, then all water is holy, because where does ganges start and end? All water is connected.

 

 

I wonder how many have experienced a state of samadhi while in the waters of the Ganges? Can devotion to the Goddess, and pure faith in her powers, help us reach higher states of awareness?

 

 

Those who reach Samadhi, from what I know, don't really reach it in the Ganges, but in the forests of India and in Ashrams. Ganges is seen as a holy dip, just something people do. Some really do believe it washes of sin, but I don't think it's that easy.

[Guest guest]

Some people think they need to hang onto the Karma until they get the lesson from it, but that is an ego trick of karma too. We grow up in school, and so we think life is about lessons. Life is not about lessons, it is about pure experience, for its own sake. On a soul level, you already know everything there is to know, you deliberately forgot it in this life, so you could have experiences. Have faith. If Spirit wants you to know something, synchronicity can make sure you get the message. An email, a line from a movie or a song on the radio will resonate with wonderful meaning, if you are open to hearing it and not blinded by preconceptions. Goddess provides.

 

All of our opinions and beliefs do not define the infinite, and by surrendering them we make room for something better. You need to confuse the old ideas to make way for the insights into Divine truth, and those usually cannot really be communicated, in words.

[Guest guest]

 

Speak for yourself, there have been notable Hindu leaders who would argue otherwise.

 

name one notable Hindu leader that said the gods (or demigods as Hare Krishnas call them), are not real?! This would be like a Christian leader saying that angels/archangels are not real to their congregation.

[Guest guest]

 

name one notable Hindu leader that said the gods (or demigods as Hare Krishnas call them), are not real?! This would be like a Christian leader saying that angels/archangels are not real to their congregation.

 

The word is mythological and there have been many notable Hindu leaders who say that the gods are mythological as well as the stories of the puranas. One notable leader who said this would be Swami Vivekananda.

[Guest guest]

 

The word is mythological and there have been many notable Hindu leaders who say that the gods are mythological as well as the stories of the puranas. One notable leader who said this would be Swami Vivekananda.

 

are you saying you do not believe there are beings of a higher cosmic order than the human race? You are sadly mistaken. The occultists of all traditions recognize the higher cosmic beings, who they may call, planetary spirits, gods, devas, arch-angels, or whatever. These beings are not myths. They can be invoked thru occultic methods, so one can know their reality.

[Guest guest]

 

One notable leader who said this would be Swami Vivekananda.

 

You appear to be misunderstanding his teachings. He did believe in the devas.

 

"When a virtuous man who has performed the highest of Vedic rites dies, he becomes a king of the gods; by that time the old king has gone down again and become man. Just as kings change here, so the gods, the Devas, also have to die. In heaven they will all die. The only deathless place is Brahmaloka, where alone there is no birth and death."

- Swami Vivekananda on the Afterlife

[Guest guest]

 

are you saying you do not believe there are beings of a higher cosmic order than the human race? You are sadly mistaken. The occultists of all traditions recognize the higher cosmic beings, who they may call, planetary spirits, gods, devas, arch-angels, or whatever. These beings are not myths. They can be invoked thru occultic methods, so one can know their reality.

 

I didn't say I didn't believe in devas, I'm open minded, though tend not to believe. But I do believe that bathing in the ganges will not wash off any of your sins, this would contradict the law of karma.

 

Vivekananda has said the devas are mythological many times, so I dont think I misunderstood him. He explained them to be mythological symbols representing the attributes of Brahman. Vivekananda only believed in Brahman.

 

What I'm pointing out here is while some Hindus believe bathing in ganges will wash off sins, not all Hindus do. Not all Hindus believe in exactly the same thing and this has always been the case. In the time of the Vedas there was no books known as puranas, these texts and their gods came later. So ganges worship arose in a point in time, it wasn't always there.

[Guest guest]

 

I didn't say I didn't believe in devas, I'm open minded, though tend not to believe.

 

Why do you have trouble believing in more-evolved beings that exist in the higher astral worlds? Just as we see different levels of beings on the earth plane, from ants to humans, we also see different levels of beings in the spiritual planes, some higher than man. If you don't believe me, astral travel to the higher planes can prove these beings exist as real entities.

 

Whether we see the stories in Puranas as allegorical or literal, this does not discount the various spiritual planes (lokas in Sanskrit), and the beings who live in these lokas, according to their grade of cosmic development. Even Blavatsky and the Theosophists accepted the Deva beings as literal, even though by and large they regarded the Puranas as allegorical stories, containing Occult mysteries.

 

 

Vivekananda has said the devas are mythological many times, so I dont think I misunderstood him. He explained them to be mythological symbols representing the attributes of Brahman. Vivekananda only believed in Brahman.

 

You must be very careful when listening to Mayavidis. They may say all beings are aspects of the impersonal Absolute one minute, and then the next minute speak of beings of various grades as individual entities. It only matters what perspective they are speaking from, whether it be Ultimate Oneness, or acknowledgement of multiplicity in the diverse planes of creation. Mayavidis believe there are astral beings, just like there are human beings, but they will often emphasize that All is really the One Brahman..

 

 

In the time of the Vedas there was no books known as puranas, these texts and their gods came later. So ganges worship arose in a point in time, it wasn't always there.

 

But the Vedas definitely speak of the 'gods' and Vedic rituals speak about invoking these powers.

[Guest guest]

 

But I do believe that bathing in the ganges will not wash off any of your sins, this would contradict the law of karma.

 

Karma means reaction. It is not even punishment. That's why Karma can be good or bad. It is totally nuetral. It takes advanced metaphysical understanding to understand the full implication of the teachings on Karma. But it must be said, the reactions can be avoided thru yogic means. So Karma does not always come to fruition.

 

For example, my Karma may be to fall down a step of stairs and die on such a such a day. But when that time comes, I may only end up stubbing my toe, do to my intense sadhana in this lifetime. Mantra Yoga is one way to burn Karma. There are others. Let us not become fatalists. Whether one believes the Ganges can burn Karma or not, there are ways to burn Karmic reaction. Yogic practices are specifically designed for this.

[Guest guest]

 

 

For example, my Karma may be to fall down a step of stairs and die on such a such a day. But when that time comes, I may only end up stubbing my toe, do to my intense sadhana in this lifetime.

 

I don't think karma = predestination as your quote suggests. Karma is a reactionary law that governs your actions. It does not determine what and when and where in such precise terms.

 

Even Krsna says in the BGita that he can save us from our 'sins and their reactions'.

 

As for bathing in the Ganges, there's a lot to be said for the state of mind directly preceeding said bath...if one is truly repentant then why shouldn't the act of purification be more than just symbolic...

[Guest guest]

 

 

Vedic astrology can tell us a lot about our karmic life-pattern and destiny.

 

There are different types of predestined fates that we each come into any given lifetime with, including the fixed time of our death. This is not to say some details may not be avoided or changed. Have you heard the story of the great Sage Markandeya, who was fated to die at 16? google it if you haven't.

 

The above story of 'falling down the stairs' was one I heard from a Swami. He said that we may be predestined to have a terrible accident at some set time, but do to our spiritual activities in this life, our karmic reactions can be changed. Either completely absolved, or lessened, as in the case of stubbing the toe, rather than falling down the stairs.

 

 

 

Indeed.

[Vrindavan]

getting complicated

 

if (bad) karma can be burned away,

what are the methods ?

will (good) karma will be burned away too at the same time ?

 

i have heard that good karma cannot offset bad karma

[Guest guest]

 

getting complicated

 

if (bad) karma can be burned away,

what are the methods ?

will (good) karma will be burned away too at the same time ?

 

i have heard that good karma cannot offset bad karma

 

as I understand it, karma means reaction. In Moksha we want no karmic reaction, good or bad, because we want to be free from the material universe and it's cause and effects. We want to go beyond the realms of duality to the non-dual, eternal world of Vaikuntha (or Shivaloka if you are a Saivite; and Jeweled Island of the Devi if you are a Shakta).

[Guest guest]

 

I didn't say I didn't believe in devas, I'm open minded, though tend not to believe. But I do believe that bathing in the ganges will not wash off any of your sins, this would contradict the law of karma.

 

Vivekananda has said the devas are mythological many times, so I dont think I misunderstood him. He explained them to be mythological symbols representing the attributes of Brahman. Vivekananda only believed in Brahman.

 

What I'm pointing out here is while some Hindus believe bathing in ganges will wash off sins, not all Hindus do. Not all Hindus believe in exactly the same thing and this has always been the case. In the time of the Vedas there was no books known as puranas, these texts and their gods came later. So ganges worship arose in a point in time, it wasn't always there.

 

What are you going to say next that bathing in Radha Kund offenseless does not give the bhakti-creeper?

 

It is obvious you do not have the proper vision to see sins being removed when someone bathes in the Ganges. Neither do I, but I understand that it does not remove every single sin a jiva has accumulated but a certain layer of sins. There are different layers of sins. Some are manifest, some are unmanifest, etc...

[Guest guest]

 

What are you going to say next that bathing in Radha Kund offenseless does not give the bhakti-creeper?

 

It is obvious you do not have the proper vision to see sins being removed when someone bathes in the Ganges. Neither do I, but I understand that it does not remove every single sin a jiva has accumulated but a certain layer of sins. There are different layers of sins. Some are manifest, some are unmanifest, etc...

 

What proper vision? If these people really care about the ganges why don't they clean it from the filth and pollution? Why use it as a toilet and dumping ground?

 

From what I've heard, these Hindus believe it washes off ALL sins so it leaves you with a clean slate no matter what sins you may have done in the past, the ganges washes it all off. This I disagreee with. There may be many ways to burn karma but having a bath in the ganges isn't one of them. Everyone must suffer any sins commited and learn from mistakes made.

[Guest guest]

 

What proper vision? If these people really care about the ganges why don't they clean it from the filth and pollution? Why use it as a toilet and dumping ground?

 

From what I've heard, these Hindus believe it washes off ALL sins so it leaves you with a clean slate no matter what sins you may have done in the past, the ganges washes it all off. This I disagreee with. There may be many ways to burn karma but having a bath in the ganges isn't one of them. Everyone must suffer any sins commited and learn from mistakes made.

 

"What proper vision?"

Proper vision to see the subtle body and spiritual conditions obviously.

 

"If these people really care about the ganges why don't they clean it from the filth and pollution? Why use it as a toilet and dumping ground?"

 

Yes it is true the Ganges needs to be cleaned badly. But again this is the material conditions NOT the spiritual condition of the river.

Yes, it seems some Hindus believe it washes off all sins and this is incorrect. I am sure the Ganges will be cleaned in the future. If one does not wish to take bath in the Ganges because of the material conditions of the river due to fear of disease that is fine.

 

"There may be many ways to burn karma but having a bath in the ganges isn't one of them."

 

Then you obviously aren't a Gaudiya Vaisnava or a Hindu because it clearly states in the Vedas that the Ganges cleanses one of sins. This is common sense.

[Guest guest]

Ganga (River Ganges)

From The Mahabharata

Anusasana Parva, Section XXVI

Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli

 

Yudhishthira asked: Which countries, which provinces, which retreats, which mountains, and which rivers, O grandsire, are the foremost in point of sanctity?

 

Bhishma said: In this connection is cited the old narrative of a conversation between a Brahmana in the observance of the Sila and Unccha vows, O Yudhishthira, and a Rishi crowned with ascetic success. Meeting with each other and seated at their ease, the two began to converse on agreeable subjects connected with the Vedas and the Upanishads. Towards the conclusion of the discourse, the Brahmana in the observance of the Sila vow respectfully addressed the Rishi crowned with success. Endued with intelligence, he put this very question which thou, O Yudhishthira, hast put to me.

 

The poor Brahmana said: What countries, what provinces, what retreats, what mountains, and what rivers should be regarded as the foremost in point of sanctity? Do thou discourse to me on this.

 

The Rishi crowned with success said: Those countries, those provinces, those retreats, and those mountains, should be regarded as the foremost in point of sanctity through which or by the side of which that foremost of all rivers, viz., Bhagirathi (Ganga or Ganges) flows. That end which a creature is capable of attaining by penances, by Brahmacharya (practising celibacy), by sacrifice, or by practising renunciation, one is sure to attain by only living by the side of the Bhagirathi (river Ganges) and bathing in its sacred waters.

 

Those creatures whose bodies have been sprinkled with the sacred waters of Bhagirathi or whose bones have been laid in the channel of that sacred stream, have not to fall away- from heaven at any time. Those men, O learned Brahmana, who use the waters of Bhagirathi (Ganga) in all their acts, surely ascend to heaven after departing from this world. Even those men who, having committed diverse kinds of sinful deeds in the first part of their lives, betake themselves in after years to a residing by the side of Ganga, succeed in attaining to a very superior end. Hundreds of sacrifices cannot produce that merit which men of restrained souls are capable of acquiring by bathing in the sacred waters of Ganga. A person is treated with respect and worshipped in heaven for as long a period as his bones lie in the channel of the Ganga. Even as the Sun, when he rises at the dawn of day, blazes forth in splendour, having dispelled the gloom of night, after the same manner the person that has bathed in the waters of Ganga is seen to shine in splendour, cleansed of all his sins.

 

Those countries and those points of the compass that are destitute of the sacred waters of Ganga are like nights without the moon or like trees without flowers. Verily, a world without Ganga is like the different orders and modes of life when they are destitute of righteousness or like sacrifices without Soma. Without doubt, countries and points of the compass that are without Ganga are like the firmament without the Sun, or the Earth without mountains, or the welkin without air. The entire body of creatures in the three worlds, if served with the auspicious waters of Ganga, derive a pleasure, the like of which they are incapable of deriving from any other source.

 

He who drinks Ganga water that has been heated by the Sun’s rays derives merit much greater than that which attaches to the vow of subsisting upon the wheat or grains of other corn picked up from cowdung. It cannot be said whether the two are equal or not, viz., he who performs a thousand Chandrayana rites for purifying his body and he who drinks the water of Ganga. It cannot be said whether the two are equal or not, viz., one who stands for a thousand years on one foot and one who lives for only a month by the side of Ganga. One who lives permanently by the side of Ganga is superior in merit to one who stays for ten thousand Yugas with head hanging downwards. As cotton, when it comes into contact with fire, is burnt off without a remnant, even so the sins of the person that has bathed in Ganga become consumed without a remnant. There is no end superior to Ganga for those creatures who with hearts afflicted by sorrow, seek to attain to ends that may dispel that sorrow of theirs.

 

As snakes become deprived of their poison at the very sight of Garuda (eagle), even so one becomes cleansed of all one’s sins at the very sight of the sacred stream of Ganga. They that are without good name and that are addicted to deeds of sinfulness, have Ganga for their fame, their protection, their means of rescue, their refuge or cover. Many wretches among men, who become afflicted with diverse sins of a heinous nature, when they are about to sink into hell, are rescued by Ganga in the next world (if, notwithstanding their sins, they seek the aid of Ganga in their after-years). They, O foremost of intelligent men, who plunge every day in the sacred waters of Ganga, become the equals of great Munis and the very deities with Vasva at their head. Those wretches among men that are destitute of humility or modesty of behaviour and that are exceedingly sinful, become righteous and good, O Brahmana, by betaking themselves to the side of Ganga. As Amrita (drink that confers immortality) is to the deities, a Swadha (oblation offered to Pitris during sacred fire ceremony) is to the Pitris, as Sudha is to the Nagas, even so is Ganga water to human beings.

 

As children afflicted with hunger solicit their mothers for food, after the same manner do people desirous of their highest good pay court to Ganga. As the region of the self-born Brahma is said to be foremost of all places, even so is Ganga said to be foremost of all rivers for those that desire to bathe. As the earth and the cow are said to be the chief sustenance of the deities and other celestials, even so is Ganga the chief sustenance of all living creatures.

 

[Note: The deities are supported by the offerings made in sacrifices. These offerings consist of the productions of the Earth and Ghee (purified butter) produced (from milk) by the cow. The deities, therefore, are said to be chiefly supported by the Earth and the Cow. The Asuras (demons), by afflicting the Earth and killing cows, used to weaken the deities.]

 

As the deities support themselves upon the Amrita (drink of immortality) that occurs in the Sun and the Moon and that is offered in diverse sacrifices, even so do human beings support themselves upon Ganga water. One besmeared with the sand taken from the shores of Ganga regards himself as a denizen of heaven, adorned with celestial unguents. He who bears on his head the mud taken from the banks of Ganga presents an effulgent aspect equal to that of the Sun himself bent on dispelling the surrounding darkness. When that wind which is moistened with the particles of Ganga-water touches one’s person, it cleanses him immediately of every sin. A person afflicted by calamities and about to sink under their weight, finds all his calamities dispelled by the joy, which springs up in his heart at the sight of that sacred stream.

 

By holdong that sacred stream, touching it, and bathing in its waters, one rescues one's ancestors to the seventh generation.

 

By the melody of the swans and kokas and other aquatic fowls that play on her breast, Ganga challenges the very Gandharvas (celestial singers and musicians) and by her high banks the very mountains on the Earth. Beholding her surface teeming with swans and diverse other aquatic fowls, and having banks adorned with pasturelands with cows grazing on them, Heaven herself loses her pride. The high happiness, which one enjoys by a residence on the banks of Ganga, can never be his who is residing even in heaven. I have no doubt in this that the person who is afflicted with sins perpetrated in speech and thought and overt act, becomes cleansed at the very sight of Ganga. By holding that sacred stream, touching it, and bathing in its waters, one rescues one’s ancestors to the seventh generation, one’s descendants to the seventh generation, as also other ancestors and descendants. By hearing of Ganga, by wishing to repair to that river, by drinking its waters, by touching its waters, and by bathing in them a person rescues both his paternal and maternal races. By seeing, touching, and drinking the waters of Ganga, or even by applauding Ganga, hundreds and thousands of sinful men became cleansed of all their sins. They who wish to make their birth, life and learning fruitful, should repair to Ganga and gratify the Pitris and the deities by offering their oblations of water (tarpan).

 

The merit that one earns by bathing in Ganga, is such that the like of it is incapable of being earned through the acquisition of sons or wealth or the performance of meritorious acts

 

Those who, although possessed of the physical ability, do not seek to have a sight of the auspicious Ganga of sacred current, are, without doubt, to be likened to persons afflicted with congenital blindness or those that are dead or those that are destitute of the power of locomotion through palsy or lameness. What man is there that would not reverence this sacred stream that is adored by great Rishis conversant with the Present, the Past, and the Future, as also by the very deities with Indra at their head. What man is there that would not seek the protection of Ganga whose protection is sought for by forest recluses and householders, and by Yatis and Brahmacharins alike?

That man who dwells by the side of Ganga up to the time of his death, adoring her with reverence, becomes freed from the fear of every kind of calamity, of sin, and of kings.

 

The man of righteous conduct who, with rapt soul, thinks of Ganga at the time when his life-breaths are about

to leave his body, succeeds in attaining to the highest end.

 

When that highly sacred stream fell from the firmament, Maheswara held it on His head. It is that very stream which is adored in heaven.

 

[Note: The river Ganga has three courses. On Earth it is called Bhagirathi or Ganga; in heaven it is called Mandakini; and in the nether region it is known by the name of Bhogavati.]

 

The three regions, viz., (Earth, Heaven, and the nether place called Patala) are adorned by the three courses of this sacred stream. The man who uses the waters of that stream becomes certainly crowned with success. As the solar ray is to the deities in heaven, as Chandramas is to the Pitris, as the king is to human beings, even such is Ganga unto all streams. One who becomes bereaved of mother or father or sons or spouses or wealth does not fell that grief which becomes one’s, when one becomes bereaved of Ganga. One does not obtain that joy through acts that lead to the region of Brahma, or through such sacrifices and rites that lead to heaven, or through children or wealth, which one obtains from a sight of Ganga. The pleasures that men derive from a sight of Ganga is equal to what they derive from a sight of the full moon. That man becomes dear to Ganga who adores her with deep devotion, with mind wholly fixed upon her, with a reverence that refuses to take any other object within its sphere, with a feeling that there is nothing else to the universe worthy of similar adoration, and with a steadiness that knows no failing away.

 

Creatures that live on Earth, in the welkin, or in heaven- indeed, even beings that are very superior- should always bathe in Ganga. Verily, this is the foremost of all duties with those that are righteous. The fame of Ganga for sanctity has spread over the entire universe, since she bore all the sons of Sagara, who had been reduced to ashes, from here to heaven.

 

[Note: The story referred to is this: King Sagara of the Solw race had sixty thousand sons, all of whom were reduced to ashes by the curse of Kapila. Afterwards Bhagiratha, a prince of the same race, brought down Ganga from heaven for their redemption.]

 

Men who are washed by the bright, beautiful, high, and rapidly moving waves of Ganga, raised by the wind, became cleansed of all their sins and resemble in splendour the Sun with his thousand rays. Those men of tranquil souls that have cast off their bodies in the waters of Ganga, whose sanctity is as great as that of the ghee (clarified butter) and other liquids poured in sacrifices and which are capable of conferring merits equal to those of the greatest of sacrifices, have certainly attained to a station equal to that of the very deities. Verily, Ganga, possessed of fame and vast extent and identical with the entire universe and reverenced by the deities with Indra at their head, the Munis and human beings, is competent to bestow the fruition of all their wishes upon them that are blind, them that are idiots, and them that are destitute of all things.

 

They that sought the refuge of Ganga, that protectress of all universe, that flows in three streams, that is filled with water at once highly sacred and sweet as honey and productive of every kind of good, have succeeded in attaining to the beatitude of heaven. That mortal who dwells by the side of Ganga and beholds her every day, becomes cleansed by her sight and touch. Unto him the deities give every kind of happiness here and a high end hereafter. Ganga is regarded as competent to rescue every creature from sin and lead him to the felicity of heaven. She is held to be identical with Prisni, the mother of Vishnu. She is identical with the Word or Speech. She is very remote, being incapable of easy attainment. She is the embodiment of auspiciousness and prosperity.

 

She is capable of bestowing the six well-known attributes beginning with lordship or puissance. She is always inclined to extend her grace. She is the displayer of all things in the universe, and she is the high refuge of all creatures. Those who have sought her protection in this life have surely attained heaven. The fame of Ganga has spread all over the welkin, and heaven, and earth, and all the points, cardinal and subsidiary, of the compass. Mortal creatures, by using the waters of that foremost of streams, always become crowned with high success. That person who himself beholding Ganga, points her out to others, finds that Ganga rescues him from rebirth and confers Emancipation on him. Ganga held Guha, the generalissimo of the celestial forces, in her womb. She bears the most precious of all metals, viz., gold, also in that womb of hers. They who bathe in her waters every day in the morning succeed in obtaining the aggregate of three, viz., Righteousness, Wealth and Pleasure. Those waters are, again, equal in point of sanctity to the ghee that is poured with Mantras on the sacrificial fire. Capable of cleansing one from every sin, she has descended from the celestial region, and her current is held in high esteem by every one.

 

Ganga is the daughter of Himavat, the spouse of Hara, and the ornament of both heaven and earth. She is the bestower of everything auspicious, and is competent to confer the six well-known attributes beginning with lordship or puissance. Verily, O king, Ganga is the one object of great sanctity in the three worlds and confers merit upon all. Truly, monarch, Ganga is Righteousness in liquefied form. She is energy also running in a liquid form over the earth. She is endued with the splendour of puissance that belongs to the ghee that is poured with Mantras on the sacrificial fire. She is always adorned with large waves as also with Brahmanas who may at all times be seen performing their ablutions in her waters. Falling from heaven, she was held by Siva on his head. The very mother of the heavens, she has sprung from the highest mountain for running over the plains and conferring the most precious benefits on all creatures of the earth. She is the highest cause of all things; she is perfectly stainless. She is as subtle as Brahma.

 

She affords the best bed for the dying. She leads creatures very quickly to heaven. She bears away a large volume of

water. She bestows great fame on all. She is the protectress of the universe. She is identical with every form. She is

very much coveted by persons crowned with success.

 

Verily, Ganga is the path to heaven of those that have bathed in her current.

The Brahmanas hold Ganga as equaling the earth in forgiveness, and in the protection and upholding of those that live by her; further, as equaling Fire and Surya (Sun) in energy and splendour; and, lastly, as always equaling Guha himself in the matter of showing favours unto the regenerate class.

 

Those men who, in this life, even mentally seek with their whole souls that sacred stream which is praised by the Rishis, which has issued out of the feet of Vishnu, which is very ancient, and which is exceedingly sacred, succeed in repairing to the regions of Brahman. Fully convinced that children and other possessions, as also regions possessed of every kind of felicity, are transitory or liable to destruction, men of subdued souls, who are desirous of attaining to that everlasting station which is identical with Brahma, always pay their adorations to Ganga with that reverence and love which are due from a son to mother. The man of cleansed soul who is desirous of achieving success, should seek the protection of Ganga who is like a cow that yields Amrita (drink that confers immortality) instead of ordinary milk, who is prosperity’s self, who is possessed of omniscience, who exists for the entire universe of creatures, who is the source of all kinds of food, who is the mother of all mountains, who is the refuge of all righteous persons, who is immeasurable in puissance and energy, and who charms the heart of Brahma himself.

 

Having with austere penances, gratified all the deities with the Supreme Lord (Vishnu), Bhagiratha brought Ganga down to earth. Repairing unto her, men always succeed in freeing themselves from every kind of fear both here and hereafter. Observing with the aid of intelligence, I have mentioned to thee only a small part of the merits of Ganga. My power, however, is inadequate to speak of all the merits of the sacred river, or, indeed, to measure her puissance and sanctity. One may, by putting forth one’s best powers, count the stones that occur in the mountains of Meru or measure the waters that occur in the ocean, but one cannot count all the merits, which belong to the waters of Ganga.

 

Hence, having listened to these particular merits of Ganga, which I have uttered with great devotion, one should, in thought, word and deed, reverence them with faith and devotion. In consequence of thy having listened to those merits which I have recited, thou art sure to fill all the three regions with fame and attain to a measure of success that is very large and that is difficult of being attained to by any other person. Verily, thou shalt, soon after that, sport in joy many a region of great felicity created by Ganga herself for those that reverence her. Ganga always extends her grace unto those that are devoted to her with humbleness of heart. She unites those that are devoted to her with every kind of happiness. I pray that the highly blessed Ganga may always inspire thy heart and mine with such attributes as are fraught with righteousness.

 

Bhishma continued: The learned ascetic endued with high intelligence and great illumination, and crowned with success, having in this manner discoursed unto that poor Brahmana in the observance of the Sila vow, on the subject of the infinite merits of Ganga, then ascended the firmament. The Brahmana in the observance of Sila vow, awakened by the words of that ascetic crowned with success, duly worshipped Ganga and attained to high success. Do thou also, O son of Kunti, seek Ganga with great devotion, for thou shalt then, as the reward thereof, attain to high and excellent success.

 

Vaisampayana continued: Hearing this discourse from Bhishma that was fraught with the praise of Ganga, Yuthishthira with his brothers became filled with great delight. That person who recites or hears recited this sacred discourse fraught with the praise of Ganga, becomes cleansed of every sin.

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Then you obviously aren't a Gaudiya Vaisnava or a Hindu because it clearly states in the Vedas that the Ganges cleanses one of sins. This is common sense.

 

 

I'm not a gaudiya Vaishnava, but am Hindu and have you actually read the Vedas? It slightly mentions the Ganges, but doesn't talk of ganges cleansing of sins. It is not common sense. It is simply tradition.

The Vedas praise the Saraswati civilisation and while it reveres the saraswati river, I don't think it speaks of washing off sins in it's waters.