Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Prashant ji, If u didnt had shared this knowledge than we were all unable to knew this. I asked many astrologers in diff forums. but all replied me that our guru ji told us to us this ayanamsa ...so we are using this. no one able to answer the reason behind that. but in my view raman's ayanamasa is good beccause he wrote a book for 300 important combinatiosn but lahiri didnt hve any book published. Thanks tarun www.thevinayak.com --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Hi Tarun > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior to Lahiri stepping in and > pushing his own, this is like a judge who could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. > HIS OWN. > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil centric problem there are quite a few > thoughts based on their EQ [ego quotient] > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no corrections took place ever and if > a mistake was made by one in the family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you > can dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi etc groups each had a > different Panbu panchangam [or snake calander] quite different from others. and say could not > agree comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at different months variation, > eclipses and all others in chaos. no scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable > one which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at least. > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on storry telling these are true ones > though > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON or Privay Council as it was > called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups > in them Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple function there was a > dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava > mark > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle line in red] > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went to the PC [prviy council]. so > that being the case you can never say Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > calander but Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's crecent on a > different days and have a different holiday the state and Central govt has. all laws are fo > Hindus only. > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ, are meeting in the assembly > after 17 yrs normally the other one resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > their mud slinging is of unique depths. > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst > wrote: Dear RR ji, > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since varanasi was key centre for > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as par Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was used before lahiri placed his > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while making chart in ancient times. > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > --- crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not Varanasi! > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I remember > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla temple and > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use raman ayanamsa > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was much near > > to equator in comparison to > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his calculations) so > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows rahu in > > 9th . > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes and if i > > consider true node then too my > > > chart changes. > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because venus and > > ketu dont give much better > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last time!> > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because ketu and > > venus > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if using > > Raman > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another conundrum! > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same sign and > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in different > > signs :- > > > > ) > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us against > > yet > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar jaaoon -- > > kidhar > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and comment > > on > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true nodes? > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes, isn't > > Jyotish > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for lifetimes? > > How > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely interested > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would rather > > keep > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists but only > > lie in > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find venus ketu > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even being > > worst in > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is lord 3rd and > > 6th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart. and that > > too > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as mars in > > 5th > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > that. > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will surely make > > him to > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and 7th > > jupiter as > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear all, An astrologer's experiences, his predictions and analysis are the final and real tests of any ayanamsa . I have always found Lahiri Ayanamsa to be giving the best results after testing it on a large number of birth data with me. Raman's ayanamsa goes wide off the mark. The dasha periods do not tally and even the planets' positions in vargas do not match the life events of the natives. Sorry to break this revolutionary spirit. But, regional inclinations should not cloud the practical approaches of an astrologer. Just because an ayanamsa 'seems' to suit some horoscopes or the own horoscope of an astrologer does not mean that it is the correct one. We are not the first to question the ayanamsas. There have been and are many, better and, in fact, much better astrologers than us around today. It would be naive to believe that they did not think upon this topic anytime before or that they were ignorant enough not to challenge such a big folly. Something which is easier to follow and understand always becomes popular. If the astrologers around the world were not getting correct results using Lahiri ayanamsa, it would have gone out of practice long ago. No astrologer can be influenced by any government's decisions to change his own style of calculations. Lahiri only standardised the then existing and widely practised ayanamsa. It is tantalising to go against the popular beliefs, but one should not jump to conclusions. I know that the argument will not end here but I could not stop myself from giving my point of view. Regards, Ashutosh - ~~Tarun~~ Friday, 02 June, 2006 11:28 Re: before Lahiri which one? --2 Dear Prashant ji, If u didnt had shared this knowledge than we were all unable to knew this. I asked many astrologers in diff forums. but all replied me that our guru ji told us to us this ayanamsa ...so we are using this. no one able to answer the reason behind that. but in my view raman's ayanamasa is good beccause he wrote a book for 300 important combinatiosn but lahiri didnt hve any book published. Thanks tarun www.thevinayak.com --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Hi Tarun > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior to Lahiri stepping in and > pushing his own, this is like a judge who could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. > HIS OWN. > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil centric problem there are quite a few > thoughts based on their EQ [ego quotient] > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no corrections took place ever and if > a mistake was made by one in the family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you > can dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi etc groups each had a > different Panbu panchangam [or snake calander] quite different from others. and say could not > agree comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at different months variation, > eclipses and all others in chaos. no scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable > one which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at least. > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on storry telling these are true ones > though > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON or Privay Council as it was > called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups > in them Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple function there was a > dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava > mark > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle line in red] > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went to the PC [prviy council]. so > that being the case you can never say Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > calander but Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's crecent on a > different days and have a different holiday the state and Central govt has. all laws are fo > Hindus only. > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ, are meeting in the assembly > after 17 yrs normally the other one resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > their mud slinging is of unique depths. > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst > wrote: Dear RR ji, > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since varanasi was key centre for > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as par Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was used before lahiri placed his > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while making chart in ancient times. > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > --- crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not Varanasi! > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I remember > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla temple and > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use raman ayanamsa > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was much near > > to equator in comparison to > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his calculations) so > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows rahu in > > 9th . > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes and if i > > consider true node then too my > > > chart changes. > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because venus and > > ketu dont give much better > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last time!> > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because ketu and > > venus > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if using > > Raman > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another conundrum! > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same sign and > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in different > > signs :- > > > > ) > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us against > > yet > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar jaaoon -- > > kidhar > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and comment > > on > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true nodes? > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes, isn't > > Jyotish > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for lifetimes? > > How > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely interested > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would rather > > keep > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists but only > > lie in > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find venus ketu > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even being > > worst in > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is lord 3rd and > > 6th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart. and that > > too > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as mars in > > 5th > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > that. > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will surely make > > him to > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and 7th > > jupiter as > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. 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