BRIDAL MYSTICISM: ATMAN & JIVA = ADON & EVE

[Guest guest]

PLEASE EXCUSE MY USE OF ALL UPPER CASE LETTERS DUE TO A DISABILITY

 

"Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

Wed May 31, 2006  1:24 pm

Re: "Two birds in a tree" verses  bhakti_eohn

 

"Amara dasa" wrote:

>

>

> "By chance, two birds have made a nest together in the same tree.

> The two birds are friends and are of a similar nature.  One of

them,

> however, is eating the fruits of the tree, whereas the other, who

> does not eat the fruits, is in a superior position due to His

> potency.

>

> "The bird who does not eat the fruits of the tree is the Supreme

> Personality of Godhead, who by His omniscience perfectly

understands

> His own position and that of the conditioned living entity,

> represented by the eating bird.  That living entity, on the other

> hand, does not understand himself or the Lord.  He is covered by

> ignorance and is thus called eternally conditioned, whereas the

> Personality of Godhead, being full of perfect knowledge, is

> eternally liberated."

>

> ("Srimad Bhagavatam" 11.11.6-7)

>

>

> "There are two birds in one tree.  One of them is eating the fruits

> of the tree, while the other is witnessing the actions.  The

witness

> is the Lord, and the fruit-eater is the living entity."

>

> ("Svetasvatara Upanisad" 4.6)

>

>

> "Although the two birds are in the same tree, the eating bird is

> fully engrossed with anxiety and moroseness as the enjoyer of the

> fruits of the tree.  But if in some way or other he turns his face

> to his friend who is the Lord and now His glories--at once the

> suffering bird becomes free from all anxieties."

>

> ("Katha Upanisad," quoted in Bhagavad-Gita 2.22 purport)

>

>

> -Amara

>

 

 

ADAM & EVE BRIDAL MYSTICISM: THE TWO BIRDS IN THE TREE= ATMAN AND JIVA

 

 

HARI BOL !

 

IN THE BHAKTI OR BRIDAL MYSTICISM TRADITIONS OF THE ANCIENT WORLD,

THE FINITE SPIRIT OR SOUL AND SUPREME SPIRIT OR SOUL WERE BOTH

COMMONLY DEPICTED AS BIRDS OR DOVES.  THESE 'LOVE BIRDS' CAN BE FOUND

ON COUNTLESS ARTIFACTS FROM EGYPT AND JUDEA TO THE EAST.   THE

THEOLOGY THAT ACCOMPANIED THIS TRADITION WAS THAT OF GOD AS THE

MASCULINE GIVER ATMAN / ATUM /  ATEN / ADON-YAHU / ATOMOS (THE

PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL SPIRIT NOT THE IMPERSONAL INDIVISIBLE THING) /

AUTOS (SELF) / ONTOS (BEING) / ATTA ETC.

 

IN EACH OF THESE BHAKTI TRADITIONS, THE FEMININE OR RECEIVER SELF-OF-

GOD AND FINITE SELF AS THE 'BRIDE OF GOD' (HENCE BRIDAL MYSTICISM)

WAS CONSIDERED TO BE THE FEMININE SHEKINAH OR SHAKTI AND JIVA / H'VA

(EVE "THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING") / ZOE / BIOS / VIVOS / BA / CHAYAH /

HAYAH / CHAI / CHI OR 'LIVING FORCE'  ETC.

 

THUS IN SUCH BRIDAL MYSTICISM, PURUSHA OR GOD WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED

TO BE THE MASCULINE GIVER OR LOVER, AND THE FINITE SOUL IN

RELATIONSHIP TO GOD WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED TO BE FEMININE, OR THE

RECEIVER.

 

IN AUTHENTIC JEWISH AND CATHOLIC BRIDAL MYSTICISM, THE STORY OF "ADAM

AND EVE" IS UNDERSTOOD THEOLOGICALLY AS BEING ABOUT THE FALL OF THE

HVE (JIVA) SOUL AND THE ULTIMATE DESCENT OF GOD TO BE WITH HIS

BELOVED AND TO RESCUE HER FROM BIRTH DEATH DISEASE AND OLD AGE.

ADON / GOD PRE-EXISTS ADAM THE MAN, WHO IS 'MADE IN HIS IMAGE'. THE

FORM OF GOD WHO DWELLS WITH THE FINITE SELF-SOUL IN THE GARDEN OF

PARADISE IS "IMAGED" BY THE ADAM WHO ALSO EATS OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT

OF THE TREE, AND SO VOLUNTARILY JOINS EVE / JIVA IN HER FALL OF

DIVINE FORGETFULNESS.  BUT THAT IS NOT THE END OF THE STORY, BECAUSE

ATEN / ADON-YAHU (WHO IS ALSO GOD IN HIS "SECOND PERSON"), AS

THE "SECOND ADAM" AND 'BRIDEGROOM' LOVER-OF-THE-SELF/ SOUL (EVE /

JIVA), DESCENDS AND INCARNATES HIMSELF FOR THE SALVATION OF HIS

BELOVED !  THUS IN CATHOLIC AND JEWISH SHAKTI / SHEKINAH-RELATED

BRIDAL MYSTICISM, THE ENTIRE COSMIC MANIFESTATION IS THE UNFOLDING

DRAMA OF GOD'S INVASION OF HIS OWN CREATED 'LOWER' REALMS OF

MANIFESTATION, TO RESCUE HIS BELOVED SHEKINAH (SHAKTI AS THE

FIRST 'EVE'), WHO HAS ALSO DESCENDED THERE, LIKE A MOTHER TO RESCUE

ALL OF HER 'FALLEN' CHILDREN.  AS SHEKINAH (SHAKTI), THE

ORIGINAL 'BRIDE OF GOD',  ENDLESSLY DESCENDS THROUGH EVERY REALM OF

MANIFESTATION TO FIND AND SAVE HER WANDERING FORGETFUL

DISTRACTED 'FALLEN' CHILDREN, ELI / HARI IS ALWAYS BOTH WITH HER

AND 'SEEKING HER', IN A LILA OF LOVE'S ECSTASY OF SEPARATION, AND IN

FACT SHE IS ALSO 'MISSING' HIM IN THAT INCONCEIVABLE MOOD.

(COUNTLESS PURUSHA-PRAKRITI RELATED RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE BEEN,

AND STILL ARE, CENTERED ON THIS GIVER-RECEIVER OR 'BRIDAL MYSTICISM'

EMANATIONAL METAPHYSICS.)

 

OF COURSE, SOME UNDERSTANDING OF EMANATIONISM OR A PLURALITY OF

PERSONS IN THE GODHEAD, IS IMPORTANT IN SUCH JEWISH AND JEWISH-

RELATED 'BRIDAL' MYSTICISM, AND THIS IS WHERE TRINITARIAN THEOLOGY

COMES INTO CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC TRADITION.

 

THE HELIOPOLITAN TRADITION OF EGYPTIAN EMANATIONAL MONOTHEISM ALWAYS

WORSHIPED THE SUPREME LORD IN THREE MASCULINE (METAPHYSICALLY GIVER)

PRIMARY FEATURES OR FORMS OR PERSONS.  THESE WERE HERU, ASU AND ATUM

(GREEK HELI-OS ATUM / ATEN / ATOMOS / AUTOS / ONTOS ETC.)   TO THE

HEBREWS, ISRAELITES AND JEWS THESE WERE ELI-YAHU-ADON, OR ELI-BAAL-

ADON.  THIS IS OUR HARI (KRISHNA), BALARAMA OR VASUDEVA  (A MULA

MANTRA NAME OF BALA DEVA) AND PARAM ATMAN, WHO ARE THE THREE

IRREDUCIBLE "PERSONS" OF OUR KRISHNA-CENTRIC GIVER

(MASCULINE) "GODHEAD".  HERU / HARI / ELI IS THE ETERNALLY

TRANSCENDENT "FIRST PERSON" OF THIS GODHEAD.  BAAL OR BALARAMA

VASUDEVA IS THE DESCENDING OR INCARNATING AND RESCUING MEDIATOR

OR "SECOND PERSON" OF THE GODHEAD.  PARAM ATMAN AS HARI IMMANENT IS

THE ALL-PERVASIVE INDWELLING "LORD OF THE HEART".   IN FACT THE WORDS

HEART, CORDIA / KARDIA, CORE, COURAGE AND MANY OTHERS FROM THE PRIMAL

ROOT 'R / 'L (HR, KR , CHR, SR, EL, AL, ILU / OLU ETC.) DERIVE FROM

THIS PRIMAL NAME OF GOD, WHICH IS HIS REVELATORY NAME AS "LOVE", OR

THE ALL-ATTRACTIVE ONE...KRISHNA !  HARI IS KRISHNA, WHO IN HIS

INCONCEIVABLE TRINITARIAN ONENESS-AND-DIFFERENCE IS ETERNALLY 1.

TRANSCENDENT, 2. EMANATING INCARNATING AND MEDIATING, AND 3.

IMMANENT.

 

THUS IN DEVOTIONAL SALVIFIC PURE LAND BUDDHISM, HRIH IS OFTEN INVOKED

AS THE ESSENTIAL BIJA SEED OR MULA MANTRA OF ALL THREE PERSONS

(OR 'BODIES' OR TRANSFORMATIONS) OF THE BUDDHIST TRI KAYA TRINITY.

THE ORIGINAL DHARMA KAYA ADI PURUSHA AMITABHA IS HRIH.  HIS "SECOND

PERSON" OR FIRST EXPANSION SAMBOGHYA KAYA AMITAYUS IS ALSO INVOKED

WITH THE HRIH MANTRAM (ALONG WITH ALL OF HIS MEDIATING EMANATION AND

INCARNATION FORMS AS LOKESVARA OR AVALOKITESHVARA [VISHNU]), AND THE

THIRD PERSON OR RUPA KAYA IMMANENT 'LORD OF THE HEART' OF PURE LAND

BUDDHISM IS ALSO INVOKED WITH THE PRIMAL HOLY NAME OF THE SUPREME

PURUSHA (MASCULINE GIVER OR LOVER) HRIH.

 

OFTEN TODAY AL / HL / HR / KR ROOT-RELATED NAMES OF GOD HAVE COME TO

HAVE THE ASSOCIATIVE MEANING OF "LORD", AS IN THE COMMON CATHOLIC AND

ORTHODOX GREEK USAGE "KYRIE".  AT THIS LINK THERE IS A SHORT HISTORY

OF THIS PARTICULAR GREEK FORM OF GOD'S NAME, INTERPRETED AS THE

DIVINE TITLE "LORD".

 

HARI OR KRISHNA IS ALWAYS GOD-WHO-IS-LOVE, THE SUPREME "LORD OF THE

HEART", WHICH IS HIS THRONE ROOM OR THRONE ITSELF IN THE PURA OR BODY-

TEMPLE OF HIS INCARNATION ...THUS THE HEART IS THE SEAT OF HARI, GOD-

WHO-IS-LOVE.  IT IS THE HRID / HEART / CORDIA, HRIDAYA OR HARI-DAYA,

WHERE HE RESIDES AT THE CORE OF ALL CREATIONS, AS BOTH THE ULTIMATE

SOURCE AND OBJECT OF ALL OF HIS SHEKINAH'S AND JIVA'S ATTRACTIONS AND

AFFECTIONS.

 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08714a.htm A SHORT HISTORY OF

GREEK "KYRIE" AS "LORD" IN BOTH THE LATIN AND GREEK CATHOLIC LITURGIES

 

WISHING YOU ALL PAX AND PREMA,

 

BHAKTI ANANDA

 

PS DEAR READERS, IF YOU HAVE NASTY ANTI-JEWISH AND / OR ANTI-CATHOLIC

ATTACKS TO MAKE AT ME ON THIS FORUM OR BY PRIVATE EMAIL, DO NOT

BOTHER, BECAUSE I WILL NOT REPLY TO THEM ANYMORE.  I HAVE RETIRED

FROM WASTING MY TIME ON REPLYING TO SUCH BIGOTED DEVOTEE HATE-

MAIL.

[Guest guest]

It is an excellent write up .

I will just like to add to this thought process of mankind continuing its

roots to our Vedas, perhaps the most ancient universally accepted

tradition.

1.

The two birds episode referred to is also found depicted in a famous Indus

Valley Seal.

 

This is depiction of '"Dwa Suparna sayuja sakhaya.... /Rigveda mantra

1.164.20

 

2. Similarly the Supreme Power being conceived as a personal but most

Loving Father figure and the Closest Friend and Counsel as a male Entity

and as a very Eternally Loving Mother and Beloved in Female form are given

in the famous Vamdev Sukta the three mantras RV 4-31-1,2.3 ie.

"Kaya Nashchtra Abhuvduti...../

"Kastwa Satyo Madanam........./

"Abhishunah sakhi namvita ....,/

Which only confirms that the spirit of all Dharma has a Universal soul.

SubodhKumar

 

 

 

On 01/06/06, Bhakti Ananda Goswami <bhakti.eohn (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> PLEASE EXCUSE MY USE OF ALL UPPER CASE LETTERS DUE TO A DISABILITY

>

> "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

> Wed May 31, 2006 1:24 pm

> Re: "Two birds in a tree" verses bhakti_eohn

>

>

> "Amara dasa" wrote:

> >

> >

> > "By chance, two birds have made a nest together in the same tree.

> > The two birds are friends and are of a similar nature. One of

> them,

> > however, is eating the fruits of the tree, whereas the other, who

> > does not eat the fruits, is in a superior position due to His

> > potency.

> >

> > "The bird who does not eat the fruits of the tree is the Supreme

> > Personality of Godhead, who by His omniscience perfectly

> understands

> > His own position and that of the conditioned living entity,

> > represented by the eating bird. That living entity, on the other

> > hand, does not understand himself or the Lord. He is covered by

> > ignorance and is thus called eternally conditioned, whereas the

> > Personality of Godhead, being full of perfect knowledge, is

> > eternally liberated."

> >

> > ("Srimad Bhagavatam" 11.11.6-7)

> >

> >

> > "There are two birds in one tree. One of them is eating the fruits

> > of the tree, while the other is witnessing the actions. The

> witness

> > is the Lord, and the fruit-eater is the living entity."

> >

> > ("Svetasvatara Upanisad" 4.6)

> >

> >

> > "Although the two birds are in the same tree, the eating bird is

> > fully engrossed with anxiety and moroseness as the enjoyer of the

> > fruits of the tree. But if in some way or other he turns his face

> > to his friend who is the Lord and now His glories--at once the

> > suffering bird becomes free from all anxieties."

> >

> > ("Katha Upanisad," quoted in Bhagavad-Gita 2.22 purport)

> >

> >

> > -Amara

> >

>

>

> ADAM & EVE BRIDAL MYSTICISM: THE TWO BIRDS IN THE TREE= ATMAN AND JIVA

>

>

> HARI BOL !

>

> IN THE BHAKTI OR BRIDAL MYSTICISM TRADITIONS OF THE ANCIENT WORLD,

> THE FINITE SPIRIT OR SOUL AND SUPREME SPIRIT OR SOUL WERE BOTH

> COMMONLY DEPICTED AS BIRDS OR DOVES. THESE 'LOVE BIRDS' CAN BE FOUND

> ON COUNTLESS ARTIFACTS FROM EGYPT AND JUDEA TO THE EAST. THE

> THEOLOGY THAT ACCOMPANIED THIS TRADITION WAS THAT OF GOD AS THE

> MASCULINE GIVER ATMAN / ATUM / ATEN / ADON-YAHU / ATOMOS (THE

> PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL SPIRIT NOT THE IMPERSONAL INDIVISIBLE THING) /

> AUTOS (SELF) / ONTOS (BEING) / ATTA ETC.

>

> IN EACH OF THESE BHAKTI TRADITIONS, THE FEMININE OR RECEIVER SELF-OF-

> GOD AND FINITE SELF AS THE 'BRIDE OF GOD' (HENCE BRIDAL MYSTICISM)

> WAS CONSIDERED TO BE THE FEMININE SHEKINAH OR SHAKTI AND JIVA / H'VA

> (EVE "THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING") / ZOE / BIOS / VIVOS / BA / CHAYAH /

> HAYAH / CHAI / CHI OR 'LIVING FORCE' ETC.

>

> THUS IN SUCH BRIDAL MYSTICISM, PURUSHA OR GOD WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED

> TO BE THE MASCULINE GIVER OR LOVER, AND THE FINITE SOUL IN

> RELATIONSHIP TO GOD WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED TO BE FEMININE, OR THE

> RECEIVER.

>

> IN AUTHENTIC JEWISH AND CATHOLIC BRIDAL MYSTICISM, THE STORY OF "ADAM

> AND EVE" IS UNDERSTOOD THEOLOGICALLY AS BEING ABOUT THE FALL OF THE

> HVE (JIVA) SOUL AND THE ULTIMATE DESCENT OF GOD TO BE WITH HIS

> BELOVED AND TO RESCUE HER FROM BIRTH DEATH DISEASE AND OLD AGE.

> ADON / GOD PRE-EXISTS ADAM THE MAN, WHO IS 'MADE IN HIS IMAGE'. THE

> FORM OF GOD WHO DWELLS WITH THE FINITE SELF-SOUL IN THE GARDEN OF

> PARADISE IS "IMAGED" BY THE ADAM WHO ALSO EATS OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT

> OF THE TREE, AND SO VOLUNTARILY JOINS EVE / JIVA IN HER FALL OF

> DIVINE FORGETFULNESS. BUT THAT IS NOT THE END OF THE STORY, BECAUSE

> ATEN / ADON-YAHU (WHO IS ALSO GOD IN HIS "SECOND PERSON"), AS

> THE "SECOND ADAM" AND 'BRIDEGROOM' LOVER-OF-THE-SELF/ SOUL (EVE /

> JIVA), DESCENDS AND INCARNATES HIMSELF FOR THE SALVATION OF HIS

> BELOVED ! THUS IN CATHOLIC AND JEWISH SHAKTI / SHEKINAH-RELATED

> BRIDAL MYSTICISM, THE ENTIRE COSMIC MANIFESTATION IS THE UNFOLDING

> DRAMA OF GOD'S INVASION OF HIS OWN CREATED 'LOWER' REALMS OF

> MANIFESTATION, TO RESCUE HIS BELOVED SHEKINAH (SHAKTI AS THE

> FIRST 'EVE'), WHO HAS ALSO DESCENDED THERE, LIKE A MOTHER TO RESCUE

> ALL OF HER 'FALLEN' CHILDREN. AS SHEKINAH (SHAKTI), THE

> ORIGINAL 'BRIDE OF GOD', ENDLESSLY DESCENDS THROUGH EVERY REALM OF

> MANIFESTATION TO FIND AND SAVE HER WANDERING FORGETFUL

> DISTRACTED 'FALLEN' CHILDREN, ELI / HARI IS ALWAYS BOTH WITH HER

> AND 'SEEKING HER', IN A LILA OF LOVE'S ECSTASY OF SEPARATION, AND IN

> FACT SHE IS ALSO 'MISSING' HIM IN THAT INCONCEIVABLE MOOD.

> (COUNTLESS PURUSHA-PRAKRITI RELATED RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE BEEN,

> AND STILL ARE, CENTERED ON THIS GIVER-RECEIVER OR 'BRIDAL MYSTICISM'

> EMANATIONAL METAPHYSICS.)

>

> OF COURSE, SOME UNDERSTANDING OF EMANATIONISM OR A PLURALITY OF

> PERSONS IN THE GODHEAD, IS IMPORTANT IN SUCH JEWISH AND JEWISH-

> RELATED 'BRIDAL' MYSTICISM, AND THIS IS WHERE TRINITARIAN THEOLOGY

> COMES INTO CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC TRADITION.

>

> THE HELIOPOLITAN TRADITION OF EGYPTIAN EMANATIONAL MONOTHEISM ALWAYS

> WORSHIPED THE SUPREME LORD IN THREE MASCULINE (METAPHYSICALLY GIVER)

> PRIMARY FEATURES OR FORMS OR PERSONS. THESE WERE HERU, ASU AND ATUM

> (GREEK HELI-OS ATUM / ATEN / ATOMOS / AUTOS / ONTOS ETC.) TO THE

> HEBREWS, ISRAELITES AND JEWS THESE WERE ELI-YAHU-ADON, OR ELI-BAAL-

> ADON. THIS IS OUR HARI (KRISHNA), BALARAMA OR VASUDEVA (A MULA

> MANTRA NAME OF BALA DEVA) AND PARAM ATMAN, WHO ARE THE THREE

> IRREDUCIBLE "PERSONS" OF OUR KRISHNA-CENTRIC GIVER

> (MASCULINE) "GODHEAD". HERU / HARI / ELI IS THE ETERNALLY

> TRANSCENDENT "FIRST PERSON" OF THIS GODHEAD. BAAL OR BALARAMA

> VASUDEVA IS THE DESCENDING OR INCARNATING AND RESCUING MEDIATOR

> OR "SECOND PERSON" OF THE GODHEAD. PARAM ATMAN AS HARI IMMANENT IS

> THE ALL-PERVASIVE INDWELLING "LORD OF THE HEART". IN FACT THE WORDS

> HEART, CORDIA / KARDIA, CORE, COURAGE AND MANY OTHERS FROM THE PRIMAL

> ROOT 'R / 'L (HR, KR , CHR, SR, EL, AL, ILU / OLU ETC.) DERIVE FROM

> THIS PRIMAL NAME OF GOD, WHICH IS HIS REVELATORY NAME AS "LOVE", OR

> THE ALL-ATTRACTIVE ONE...KRISHNA ! HARI IS KRISHNA, WHO IN HIS

> INCONCEIVABLE TRINITARIAN ONENESS-AND-DIFFERENCE IS ETERNALLY 1.

> TRANSCENDENT, 2. EMANATING INCARNATING AND MEDIATING, AND 3.

> IMMANENT.

>

> THUS IN DEVOTIONAL SALVIFIC PURE LAND BUDDHISM, HRIH IS OFTEN INVOKED

> AS THE ESSENTIAL BIJA SEED OR MULA MANTRA OF ALL THREE PERSONS

> (OR 'BODIES' OR TRANSFORMATIONS) OF THE BUDDHIST TRI KAYA TRINITY.

> THE ORIGINAL DHARMA KAYA ADI PURUSHA AMITABHA IS HRIH. HIS "SECOND

> PERSON" OR FIRST EXPANSION SAMBOGHYA KAYA AMITAYUS IS ALSO INVOKED

> WITH THE HRIH MANTRAM (ALONG WITH ALL OF HIS MEDIATING EMANATION AND

> INCARNATION FORMS AS LOKESVARA OR AVALOKITESHVARA [VISHNU]), AND THE

> THIRD PERSON OR RUPA KAYA IMMANENT 'LORD OF THE HEART' OF PURE LAND

> BUDDHISM IS ALSO INVOKED WITH THE PRIMAL HOLY NAME OF THE SUPREME

> PURUSHA (MASCULINE GIVER OR LOVER) HRIH.

>

> OFTEN TODAY AL / HL / HR / KR ROOT-RELATED NAMES OF GOD HAVE COME TO

> HAVE THE ASSOCIATIVE MEANING OF "LORD", AS IN THE COMMON CATHOLIC AND

> ORTHODOX GREEK USAGE "KYRIE". AT THIS LINK THERE IS A SHORT HISTORY

> OF THIS PARTICULAR GREEK FORM OF GOD'S NAME, INTERPRETED AS THE

> DIVINE TITLE "LORD".

>

> HARI OR KRISHNA IS ALWAYS GOD-WHO-IS-LOVE, THE SUPREME "LORD OF THE

> HEART", WHICH IS HIS THRONE ROOM OR THRONE ITSELF IN THE PURA OR BODY-

> TEMPLE OF HIS INCARNATION ...THUS THE HEART IS THE SEAT OF HARI, GOD-

> WHO-IS-LOVE. IT IS THE HRID / HEART / CORDIA, HRIDAYA OR HARI-DAYA,

> WHERE HE RESIDES AT THE CORE OF ALL CREATIONS, AS BOTH THE ULTIMATE

> SOURCE AND OBJECT OF ALL OF HIS SHEKINAH'S AND JIVA'S ATTRACTIONS AND

> AFFECTIONS.

>

> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08714a.htm A SHORT HISTORY OF

> GREEK "KYRIE" AS "LORD" IN BOTH THE LATIN AND GREEK CATHOLIC LITURGIES

>

> WISHING YOU ALL PAX AND PREMA,

>

> BHAKTI ANANDA

>

> PS DEAR READERS, IF YOU HAVE NASTY ANTI-JEWISH AND / OR ANTI-CATHOLIC

> ATTACKS TO MAKE AT ME ON THIS FORUM OR BY PRIVATE EMAIL, DO NOT

> BOTHER, BECAUSE I WILL NOT REPLY TO THEM ANYMORE. I HAVE RETIRED

> FROM WASTING MY TIME ON REPLYING TO SUCH BIGOTED DEVOTEE HATE-

> MAIL.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHNA !

DEAR SubodhKumar,

PLEASE ACCEPT MY OBEISANCES AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND, THOUGHTFUL

AND INSPIRING RESPONSE. BELOW MY FOLLOWING NOTE TO YOU, PLEASE SEE MY

RESPONSE TO ANOTHER NICE GENTLEMAN. UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO MY HEALTH, I

AM UNABLE TO WRITE MUCH, BUT PERHAPS THIS LITTLE FURTHER EXPLANATION

WILL BE HELPFUL.  

The two birds episode  referred to  is also found depicted in a

famous Indus

> Valley Seal.

>

> This is  depiction of '"Dwa Suparna sayuja sakhaya.... /Rigveda

mantra

> 1.164.20

YES ! WHEN I REFERRED TO "THESE 'LOVE BIRDS' CAN BE FOUND ON

COUNTLESS ARTIFACTS FROM EGYPT AND JUDEA TO THE EAST.", THIS INCLUDES

NOT ONLY THE INDUS VALLEY, BUT ARTIFACTS ALL OF THE WAY ACCROSS ASIA

AND INTO THE PACIFIC ISLANDS AND THE 'WESTERN' HEMISPHERE.    

2. Similarly the Supreme Power being conceived as a personal but  most

> Loving Father figure  and the Closest Friend and Counsel as a male

Entity

> and as a very Eternally Loving Mother and Beloved in Female form

are given

> in the famous  Vamdev Sukta  the  three mantras RV 4-31-1,2.3  ie.

> "Kaya Nashchtra Abhuvduti...../

> "Kastwa Satyo Madanam........./

> "Abhishunah sakhi namvita ....,/

> Which only confirms that the spirit of all Dharma has a Universal

soul.

 

YES ! AGAIN IF WE PUT ASIDE PREJUDICE, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE ENTIRE

RELIGIO-SOCIAL COMPLEX OF THE RIG VEDIC CULTURE WAS PREDICATED ON THE

WORSHIP OF THE PERSONAL LOVING AND SELF-SACRIFICING GODHEAD AS ADI

PURUSHA, AND HIS PRAKRITI AS THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING. THE HIGH

CIVILIZATION OF PURUSHA'S VARNASHRAMDHARMA SACRAMENTAL SOCIAL BODY

WAS INCARNATE THROUGH HIS SATTVIC PURUSHA SUKTA SACRIFICE-RELATED

HUMAN CONNECTION TO UNIVERSAL RITYA.

THUS FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ANCIENT MEDITERRANEAN REGION,

ALL HIGH CIVILIZATION WAS CONNECTED TO THE WORSHIP OF HERU (HARI) PER-

US (GREEK POLIEUS, VEDIC PURUSHA) AND HIS FEMININE TYCHE, WHO WAS

ALSO CALLED FORTUNA-MONETA (LAKSHMI). ALL POLIEUS TEMPLE CITY-STATE

MONEY WAS MINTED IN HER FORTUNA-MONETA TEMPLES. "LUCRE"

(MONEY), "LUCK",  "FORTUNE" AND "MONEY" ARE ALL DERIVED FROM HER

NAMES. AS THE SHEKINAH / SHAKTI OF THE SUPREME FATHER GOD POLIEUS

(EGYPTIAN PER-US, PURUSHA) AS "PROVIDENCE", TYCHE-FORTUNA WAS IN

EVERY WAY ICONOGRAPHICALLY AND THEOLOGICALLY 'COGNATE' WITH MOTHER

LAKSHMI, AND IN FACT HER BY-NAME MARINA (BIBLICAL MARIAM) IS

LAKSHMI'S BY-NAME NARAYANI. NARI-NARYANI IS MARY-MARIAM. RHODA IS

RADHA. MARY THE "MYSTICAL ROSE (RHODA) IS RADHA. JUVENALIS AND

JUVENTA ARE KRISHNA YAUVANA AND RADHA YAUVANI ETC.    

OF COURSE THE ENTIRE REGIONAL PURUSHA AND PRAKRITI TRADITION

EVENTUALLY EVOLVED INTO THE BRIDAL MYSTICISM DEVOTIONAL TRADITION OF

APOSTOLIC (CATHOLIC) CHRISTIANITY, WITH ITS INTENSE MARIAN

SHEKINAH 'BRIDAL' MYSTICISM AND DEVOTION.    

 

WISHING YOU PEACE AND PREMA,

BHAKTI ANANDA

[sEE NEXT MESSAGE BELOW]

RECEIVED OFF LINE:

"...it would be great if you could explain it in a more

understandable form."

HARE KRISHNA !

DEAR ........,

PLEASE ACCEPT MY OBEISANCES, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SINCERE AND

COURTEOUS NOTE OF INTEREST.  REGRETTABLY DUE TO HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM

NOT ABLE TO WRITE MUCH AT ALL THESE DAYS, AND I HAVE HAD TO QUIT

ALMOST ALL ATTEMPTS AT CORRESPONDENCE.  

SIMPLY STATED, EARLY HUMANITY HAD A PRIMAL DEVOTION TO ONE SUPREME

GOD, BY THE NAME OF HR / HL / KR / KL/ EL / OLU / ILU ETC.  THIS

SUPREME ORIGIN OR FATHER-GOD'S WORSHIP CAN BE FOUND BY RESEARCHING

HIS BY-NAMES, BEGINNING FROM HIS HR ETC. NAME, IN THE CONTEXT OF SOME

FORM OF EMANATIONAL DIVINE LOVE 'BRIDAL MYSTICISM' IN ALL OF THE

MAJOR LANGUAGE FAMILIES. 

THUS FOR THE CENTRAL AFRICAN NIGER-KORDOFANIAN LANGUAGES LIKE

YORUBAN, THE PRIMAL SUPREME FATHER GOD'S NAME MAY APPEAR PRESENTLY

WRITTEN VARIOUS WAYS SUCH AS OLU or  ORU.  IN ANCIENT EGYPT, WHERE

THE CLASS OF NILO-SAHARAN LANGUAGES WERE USED, MODERN SCHOLARSHIP HAS

IDENTIFIED THIS SAME SUPREME FATHER GOD'S NAME AS BEING 'R (ASPIRATE

OR 'H' R), AND MOST EGYPTOLOGISTS AND NILO-SAHARAN LANGUAGE SCHOLARS

ARE NOW RENDERING THIS DEITY NAME AS "HERU".   

 

I HAVE STUDIED THE RELIGION OF "HERU THE ELDER" IN GREAT DEPTH.  IT

WAS THE ORIGINAL HELIOPOLITAN MONOTHEISM OF EGYPT, AND IT WAS

INTIMATELY CONNECTED TO THE GREEK AND SEMITIC (LATER JEWISH) CULTUS

OF RHODA (RADHA) AND KOUROS HELIOS (KRISHNA) ON THE SACRED LOTUS-ISLE

OF RHODES.   IN RECOGNITION OF THEIR SHARED DEVOTION TO THE PRIMAL

AND SUPREME GODHEAD AND HIS SHAKTI (JEWISH  SHEKINAH), ON THE ANCIENT

NYMPHIA (LOTUS) ISLE OF RHODES, AFRICANS, EUROPEANS AND SEMITES ALL

WORSHIPED RHODA-KOUROS (RADHA-KRISHNA) TOGETHER.

 

 

Introduction

Niger-Kordofanian

Nilo-Saharan

Khoisan

Indo-European and Malayo-Polynesian

Twentieth-Century Developments

Bibliography

The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. 2006,

Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.

 

UNDERSTANDING THE 'R or 'L PRIMAL HOLY NAME OF GOD-WHO-IS-LOVE, AS IT

APPEARS IN VARIOUS LANGUAGE FAMILIES.....

ACCORDING TO THE LINGUISTIC UNDERSTANDING OF SOUND-SHIFTING

PRINCIPLES, THE SOFT ASPIRATE "BREATHING" OR "H" MAY SHIFT IN SEVERAL

DIRECTIONS, "HARDENING" TO CH, (RARELY J), K AND G GUTTURAL SOUNDS. 

OR IT MAY SOFTEN OR SHIFT TOWARDS THE "S" SOUNDS LIKE S, SH OR EVEN

THE PHONATED (VOICED) Z.  THE INITIAL SOFT ASPIRATE "H" SOUND CAN

ALSO BE DROPPED FROM THE BEGINNING OF A WORD ENTIRELY, YIELDING TO

THE INITIAL VOWEL SOUND.  AS FOR THE SECOND LETTER OR SYLLABLE OF

THIS PRIMAL HOLY NAME, THE R AND L ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.  THUS OBEYING

THESE PHILOLOGICAL COMPARATIVE LINGUISTIC 'RULES' OF SOUND-SHIFTING,

IT IS EASY TO RECOGNISE THAT THE HR-RELATED  NAMES OF THE SUPREME

FATHER GOD IN THE MAJOR LANGUAGE FAMILIES ARE ACTUALLY RELATED, AND

THEREFORE AT SOME PRE-HISTORICAL POINT IN TIME SHARED A COMMON

SOURCE. 

THUS IF WE OBJECTIVELY, WITHOUT RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE, STUDY THE

OCCURANCE OF THESE HR RELATED SUPREME DEITY NAMES, THE ASTOUNDING

TRUTH EMERGES THAT THE AFRICANS, SO-CALLED INDO-EUROPEANS, AND

WESTERN AND EASTERN SEMITES ALL WORSHIPED THE SAME DEITY-OF-ORIGIN,

REVEALED BY HIS HOLY NAME HR (OLU / HERU / ELI / ILU / HARI / HARA

ETC.) AS THE PERSONAL SUPREME FATHER GOD.    

HERU (HORUS THE ELDER) ...N. EGYPTIAN 'SOLAR MONOTHEISM'

OLU, ORU ETC.... SUB-SAHARAN EGYPT (TODAY'S YORUBAN SUPREME FATHER

GOD)

HELI, HELIOS (HORUS THE ELDER),  KOUROS... HELIOPOLITAN MONOTHEISM OF

GREECE

SOLE, SOLEUS ... ROMAN 'SOLAR MONOTHEISM'

ELI, ALI, ARI, ORI ETC. ...WESTERN SEMITIC INCLUDING HEBREW-ISRAELITE-

JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN (BIBLICAL) SUPREME FATHER GOD

ILU... BABYLONIAN SUPREME FATHER GOD 

HARI, HARA, SURA, HARIH, SUREH, SURYA... INDIAN 'SOLAR' RELATED NAMES

OF THE SUPREME FATHER GOD 

HRIH... PURE LAND BUDDHIST AMITABHA-RELATED  'SOLAR MONOTHEISM'

ACCROSS THE ENTIRE RANGE OF NORTHERN BUDDHISM, ALL OF THE WAY TO, AND

INCLUDING, JAPAN

WITH THE UNIVERSAL WORSHIP OF THIS DEITY WAS THE VENERATION OF HIS

FEMININE SHAKTI OR SHEKINAH.  THEIRS WAS THE RELIGION OF BOTH

UNIVERSAL CREATIVITY, AND OF GIVING-AND-RECEIVING REDEMPTIVE GRACE

AND LOVE.

[Guest guest]

Once I wrote about it in Wiki under Tree of Knowledge and now it's a separate article:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Jiva_and_Atman

 

Your servant, bh. Jan

 

www.vrindavan-dham.com

www.veda.harekrsna.cz

(Bhakti-yoga, Vedic Encyclopedia, Vedic Library, Connections, Links)

[Guest guest]

Sir,

I wonder if any body ever pointed out that 'Abraham' the first creator of

all semitic religions is just what we call A BRAHMA..

Subodh

 

 

On 03/06/06, Jan J M <janjm (AT) seznam (DOT) cz> wrote:

>

> Once I wrote about it in Wiki under Tree of Knowledge and now it's a

> separate article:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Jiva_and_Atman

>

> Your servant, bh. Jan

>

> www.vrindavan-dham.com

> www.veda.harekrsna.cz

> (Bhakti-yoga, Vedic Encyclopedia, Vedic Library, Connections, Links)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HARI BOL ! THANK YOU BH. JAN PRABHUJI !

 

DEAR SUBODH,

 

ABRAHAM DOES NOT MEAN NON-BRAHMANA OR NOT-A-BRAHMIN AS MANY PREJUDICE

ANTI-SEMITES OR ANTI-JEWS HAVE CLAIMED. 

 

FIRST OF ALL ONE MUST CONSIDER THE ACTUAL DIRECT OR ASSOCIATIVE

MEANINGS OF A WORD OR NAME IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS CURRENT NATIVE (OR

BORROWED) KNOWN, OR ONCE KNOWN USES. THUS WE KNOW WHAT HVE / EVE

MEANT, WHEN IT OCCURED IN GENESIS, BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION THAT

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED CALLING HER THE "MOTHER OF ALL LIVING" ['LIVING'

HERE = HEBREW CHAI, COMPARE BENGALI 'CHAI' AND CHINESE 'CHI'],

GENESIS 3.20. 

 

IN THE SAME WAY THE ASSOCIATIVE MEANING OF 'ABRAHAM' IS "FATHER OF A

MULTITUDE", FROM THE ROOT 'AB'(COMPARE THE ROOT "PA" FOR FATHER),

MEANING 'FATHER'. THUS THIS ASSOCIATIVE NAME, GIVEN BY GOD TO HIS

DEVOTEE, LIKENED HIM TO THE GREAT PRAJAPATI BRAHMA, THE 'FATHER' OF

ALL OF THE BEINGS IN THE COSMIC MANIFESTATION.   

 

THE ANCIENT DEVOTEES, ESPECIALLY THE HELIOPOLITAN MONOTHEISTS, ALSO

ENJOYED USING MANY PUNS, AND IN THE SACRED LANGUAGES OF GOD, PUNNING

WITHIN AND ACCROSS TRADITIONS WAS ALSO POPULAR AS A WAY TO IMPREGNATE

MANY MORE LAYERS OF MEANING INTO EITHER PICTORIAL OR SPOKEN

WORD.  "A" AS A PREFIX IN SANSKRIT IS NOT ALWAYS A NEGATIVE, AND

SPOKEN DIFFERENTLY IS EVEN A SUPERLATIVE !  THUS A-BRAHMAN WOULD MEAN

VERY OR EXCEEDINGLY BRAHMANA. 

 

EITHER AS A FATHER OF MULTITUDES, A PRAJAPATI LIKE BRAHMA, OR AS A

GREAT BRAHMANA, ABRAHAM WAS RELATED TO THE TRIBE OF THE 'APIRU, SRI

KRISHNA'S FAMILY THE ABHIRA COW-HERDERS, WHOSE SACRED REVEALED

KNOWLEDGE OF GOD WAS CALLED YEDA (VEDA).     

 

THERE ARE A VAST NUMBER OF SOLID VERIFIABLE CONNECTIONS, BUT ONCE

ABRAHAM'S WIFE SARAI, BY HER NEW (DIKSHA) NAME 'SARAH' IS CONSIDERED,

THIS ALONE SHOWS SOME POSITIVE CONNECTION, BECAUSE SHE IS

SIGNIFICANTLY ASSOCIATED WITH WISDOM AND LEARNING, JUST AS

BRAHMA'S 'WIFE' SARASVATI IS !

 

 

vediculture, "subodh kumar" <surmil2000>

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> I wonder if any body ever pointed out that 'Abraham' the first 

creator of

> all semitic religions is just what we call  A BRAHMA..

> Subodh

>

>

> On 03/06/06, Jan J M <janjm> wrote:

> >

> >  Once I wrote about it in Wiki under Tree of Knowledge and now

it's a

> > separate article:

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Jiva_and_Atman

> >

> > Your servant, bh. Jan

> >

> > www.vrindavan-dham.com

> > www.veda.harekrsna.cz

> > (Bhakti-yoga, Vedic Encyclopedia, Vedic Library, Connections,

Links)

> >

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna Maharaja,

 

thank you for your comments. Hope you're feeling better so you can write a bit.

 

ys bh. Jan

[Guest guest]

July, 19, 2006,

 

 

 

 Dear Subodh,

 

 

 

In my book 'Tribute to Aditya Chandora' I have addressed this very clearly.

 

 

 

 However the explanation by Bhakti Ananda Goswami is really great.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 Deen B chandora 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

  vediculture

To:  vediculture

Subject:  Re: [world-vedic] BRIDAL MYSTICISM: ATMAN & JIVA = ADON & EVE

Date:  Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:21:22 -0000

>HARI BOL ! THANK YOU BH. JAN PRABHUJI !

>

>DEAR SUBODH,

>

>ABRAHAM DOES NOT MEAN NON-BRAHMANA OR NOT-A-BRAHMIN AS MANY PREJUDICE

>ANTI-SEMITES OR ANTI-JEWS HAVE CLAIMED.

>

>FIRST OF ALL ONE MUST CONSIDER THE ACTUAL DIRECT OR ASSOCIATIVE

>MEANINGS OF A WORD OR NAME IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS CURRENT NATIVE (OR

>BORROWED) KNOWN, OR ONCE KNOWN USES. THUS WE KNOW WHAT HVE / EVE

>MEANT, WHEN IT OCCURED IN GENESIS, BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION THAT

>IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED CALLING HER THE "MOTHER OF ALL LIVING" ['LIVING'

>HERE = HEBREW CHAI, COMPARE BENGALI 'CHAI' AND CHINESE 'CHI'],

>GENESIS 3.20.

>

>IN THE SAME WAY THE ASSOCIATIVE MEANING OF 'ABRAHAM' IS "FATHER OF A

>MULTITUDE", FROM THE ROOT 'AB'(COMPARE THE ROOT "PA" FOR FATHER),

>MEANING 'FATHER'. THUS THIS ASSOCIATIVE NAME, GIVEN BY GOD TO HIS

>DEVOTEE, LIKENED HIM TO THE GREAT PRAJAPATI BRAHMA, THE 'FATHER' OF

>ALL OF THE BEINGS IN THE COSMIC MANIFESTATION.

>

>THE ANCIENT DEVOTEES, ESPECIALLY THE HELIOPOLITAN MONOTHEISTS, ALSO

>ENJOYED USING MANY PUNS, AND IN THE SACRED LANGUAGES OF GOD, PUNNING

>WITHIN AND ACCROSS TRADITIONS WAS ALSO POPULAR AS A WAY TO IMPREGNATE

>MANY MORE LAYERS OF MEANING INTO EITHER PICTORIAL OR SPOKEN

>WORD.  "A" AS A PREFIX IN SANSKRIT IS NOT ALWAYS A NEGATIVE, AND

>SPOKEN DIFFERENTLY IS EVEN A SUPERLATIVE !  THUS A-BRAHMAN WOULD MEAN

>VERY OR EXCEEDINGLY BRAHMANA.

>

>EITHER AS A FATHER OF MULTITUDES, A PRAJAPATI LIKE BRAHMA, OR AS A

>GREAT BRAHMANA, ABRAHAM WAS RELATED TO THE TRIBE OF THE 'APIRU, SRI

>KRISHNA'S FAMILY THE ABHIRA COW-HERDERS, WHOSE SACRED REVEALED

>KNOWLEDGE OF GOD WAS CALLED YEDA (VEDA).

>

>THERE ARE A VAST NUMBER OF SOLID VERIFIABLE CONNECTIONS, BUT ONCE

>ABRAHAM'S WIFE SARAI, BY HER NEW (DIKSHA) NAME 'SARAH' IS CONSIDERED,

>THIS ALONE SHOWS SOME POSITIVE CONNECTION, BECAUSE SHE IS

>SIGNIFICANTLY ASSOCIATED WITH WISDOM AND LEARNING, JUST AS

>BRAHMA'S 'WIFE' SARASVATI IS !

>

>

>vediculture, "subodh kumar" <surmil2000>

>wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > I wonder if any body ever pointed out that 'Abraham' the first

>creator of

> > all semitic religions is just what we call  A BRAHMA..

> > Subodh

> >

> >

> > On 03/06/06, Jan J M <janjm> wrote:

> > >

> > >  Once I wrote about it in Wiki under Tree of Knowledge and now

>it's a

> > > separate article:

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Jiva_and_Atman

> > >

> > > Your servant, bh. Jan

> > >

> > > www.vrindavan-dham.com

> > > www.veda.harekrsna.cz

> > > (Bhakti-yoga, Vedic Encyclopedia, Vedic Library, Connections,

>Links)

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>