Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total pain in the butt. Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > Actually, I do that quite often and it doesn't change my state at night, more late afternoon/early evening. Food moving is a good workout for me when I can't get much else on Tour. > > Mother has trained me to do without sleep over the years. Now its no big deal. I made a vow long ago to not go to sleep before She leaves a program. She is not napping, so I am not napping. Many times I've stayed up over 40 hrs straight. > > In the beginning we would all die if Mother went to 4 or 5 AM. Now those are early nights! HA! I remember falling asleep before 1 AM at my first Bhava. Up in the loft of the barn in New Hampshire. Mother came to me in a dream and woke me up so I wouldn't miss the end. > > What a long strange trip its been....;-) > > - > ckeniley2003 > Ammachi > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:54 PM > Re: Guru Purnima > > > Haha! Maybe you were amongst the few perky wide awake ones. > > Bet you hadn't been doing food moving Seva all day! Lol. > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > Are you kidding? So late? Compared to the Devi Bhava's ending at > 11 AM or later, it was nothing. A real treat in fact! > > - > > ckeniley2003 > > Ammachi > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > Guru purnima is so special. I hope everyone can make it. Last > year > > it was held so late people were forcing themselves to keep their > > eyes open. Even the swamini was nodding off. Her head was > bobbing > > like someone pretending not to fall asleep in an office meeting. > she > > joked about it later saying that Amma was the world's best guru > but > > had the world's worst devotees. > > > > Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya: > > > > > > Frankly I am getting a little nervous. > > > > > > The Siddha Yoga Organization is acknowedging July 10. > > > Sri Sri Karunamayi will be in a suburb of Portland, Oregon on > July > > > 9. Her website announces that She will be present in Portland > for > > > formal worship of the Divine Mother in Her on JULY 9. > > > > > > I am getting that sinking feeling that Amma may pass this > year. > > > > > > Another view is that every day should be Guru Purnima. > > > > > > Those lucky enough to attend Seattle/Tacoma do your Guru > Purnima > > > there in private with "inner" formality. Every day you see > your > > Guru > > > (whether He is living or passed into MahaSamadhi) worship Him > and > > do > > > not assume you will be present at any future venues. > > > > > > If my guru so graces I will be in Her presence and prostrate - > OME > > > MORE TIME!!! If not then it is Her will and that is what is > best. > > > IMHO. > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > No I meant that it is discussed with Amma and then She makes > the > > > final decision. Then the Swamis make the arrangments. There > have > > > been times in the past when it has been VERY last minute. I > know > > > this because I have been involved in the preparations. > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > - > > > > frangi888 > > > > Ammachi > > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:06 AM > > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is always up to Amma, but I took it to mean > that > > > the swamis, as her > > > > emmisaries, would be conveying the information about when > > Guru > > > Purnima will be > > > > celebrated. He was wondering himself about it. > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > Nirmala. > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Actually the final decision is up to Amma. > > > > > - > > > > > frangi888 > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:44 AM > > > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Surya, > > > > > When I saw Prasannan here in New York three days ago > he > > said > > > what you did; that the > > > > tirth > > > > > for Guru Purnima falls on July 10th, not July 11th. > He > > > therefore felt that it would be > > > > > unlikely to be held in DC, and more likely to be in > Iowa, > > but > > > then stressed that the final > > > > > decision is made by the swamis. > > > > > I had gotten my hopes up for a DC Guru Purnima! Over > the > > > years I've never been with > > > > > Mother on Guru Purnima but for some reason now I > feel > > it's > > > really important to be > > > > there. > > > > > We can only wait and see...! > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Nirmala. > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" > <mahamuni@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The MA center calendar is often wrong. I don't > think > > you > > > really listed to what I > > > > wrote. > > > > > The time is different for different locations. > Shivaratri > > > this year was the perfect > > > > example. > > > > > It fell in most of the US on one day and on the East > Coast > > > and in India the next. The > > > > tirth, > > > > > or exact moment that the "event" starts, was very > close on > > > Shivaratri to Midnight, so > > > > > people interpreted it as they saw fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > The tirth is the exact moment it will start. That > tirth > > > will be different for different > > > > > locations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a good primer on the subject of Panchangam: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> wrote: > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > pain in the butt. > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaskarams! i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the rest of us slaved!" or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the work too... anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... in Amma's Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Namah Sivaya! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma Puja and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit outside for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay up all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the difference in the world. love, Prajna kasi_visvanath <kasi_visvanath > wrote: Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> wrote: > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > pain in the butt. > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaskarams! i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the rest of us slaved!" or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the work too... anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... in Amma's Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Namah Sivaya! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: Awareness." - Amma Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ammachi, "kasi_visvanath" <kasi_visvanath> wrote: > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > Namaskarams! > > i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door > unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you > can't come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, > while the rest of us slaved!" > > or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" > > in Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Namah Sivaya! When you said that you have not seen Amma since 2001, then it made sense why you are asking this q. Around 2004, Amma has been insisting that we stay awake during the entire DB, especially the Brahma-muhurta time (approx 4 am) as it is a terrific time to chant our mantra or do guru-seva in the guru's presence. .... makes a lot of sense to me. The way the sevites enforce this is the tough part... not consistent across the tour, and policies are still eveolving. They get a lot of flak for this (poor guys!), particularly because I believe they are all doing their best what Amma has told them directly or indirectly. In Nov2004@Detroit (Ypsilanti Marriott), it was kind of taken for granted that a person coming from outside at say 5 am into the hall was sleeping and coming. I think they did let in many of these eventually but with look of displeasure on their faces. if you were inside and went out for a moment and came in, then you needed to have a special patch at exit and surrender it at re-entry. one good thing they did was to keep this checkpost beyond the food stalls and the rest rooms, just close to the lobby (the hotel residents and outside people came in from here). But you may not get such a great arrangement in every tour stop. As I said, it's not a good time for the sevites or the people being rejected, but I have faith in Amma and I am glad she is doing this as I also think it's time that she got harder with her devotees to make them grow up faster. I for one definitely need to grow some more. Last Nov in San Ramon (my daughter's letter-writing ceremony), I slept in the hall for 2 hours (5am - 7 am). My wife (who is not particularly a devotee and who loves to sleep!) stayed awake the whole night for the first time in her life! Clearly, I need more discipline and I welcome Amma's blows - I just hope and pray I can take it well! Jai Ma! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I've never been able to stay up all night. Never in my life. We all have different constitutions. Now that I am among the very ill it is a really good way to make myself bedridden for an indefinite period of time. Guess no more Devi Bhavas for this child. : > Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> wrote: > > > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > > pain in the butt. > > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > Namaskarams! > > i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door > unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't > come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the > rest of us slaved!" > > or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" > > or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find > yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. > > in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire > Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is > to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra > brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under > those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last > folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own > darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma > allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have > changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted > to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite > early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, > work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the > work too... > > anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... > > in Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Namah Sivaya! > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > <>. > > > ------ > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group " Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 That's what I did in Michigan this year....incidentally, the only time Amma has foiled my EVERY attempt to do seva and allowed me to get the rest I needed instead. It was almost comical! When things get that absurd, I always know Amma's got her hand in the pot. ;-D In general, I agree with others that seva is the best way to stay energized through Devi Bhava. However, I've learned for me, personally, that I cannot stay up all night for two tour stops in a row, without serious consequences (as a result of a weakened immune system from Lyme disease). Anyway, I think resting, arriving late and giving others a chance to experience the Atma puja is a good compromise for people with some physical limitations. Blessings, Iswari Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji> wrote: > > Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma Puja and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit outside for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. > > Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay up all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the difference in the world. > > love, > > Prajna Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 YES IT DOES! In fact, that is one of the jobs that actually makes me get VERY sleepy! HA! - ckeniley2003 Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:21 AM no sleep during Devi Bhava Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total pain in the butt. Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > Actually, I do that quite often and it doesn't change my state at night, more late afternoon/early evening. Food moving is a good workout for me when I can't get much else on Tour. > > Mother has trained me to do without sleep over the years. Now its no big deal. I made a vow long ago to not go to sleep before She leaves a program. She is not napping, so I am not napping. Many times I've stayed up over 40 hrs straight. > > In the beginning we would all die if Mother went to 4 or 5 AM. Now those are early nights! HA! I remember falling asleep before 1 AM at my first Bhava. Up in the loft of the barn in New Hampshire. Mother came to me in a dream and woke me up so I wouldn't miss the end. > > What a long strange trip its been....;-) > > - > ckeniley2003 > Ammachi > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:54 PM > Re: Guru Purnima > > > Haha! Maybe you were amongst the few perky wide awake ones. > > Bet you hadn't been doing food moving Seva all day! Lol. > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > Are you kidding? So late? Compared to the Devi Bhava's ending at > 11 AM or later, it was nothing. A real treat in fact! > > - > > ckeniley2003 > > Ammachi > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > Guru purnima is so special. I hope everyone can make it. Last > year > > it was held so late people were forcing themselves to keep their > > eyes open. Even the swamini was nodding off. Her head was > bobbing > > like someone pretending not to fall asleep in an office meeting. > she > > joked about it later saying that Amma was the world's best guru > but > > had the world's worst devotees. > > > > Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya: > > > > > > Frankly I am getting a little nervous. > > > > > > The Siddha Yoga Organization is acknowedging July 10. > > > Sri Sri Karunamayi will be in a suburb of Portland, Oregon on > July > > > 9. Her website announces that She will be present in Portland > for > > > formal worship of the Divine Mother in Her on JULY 9. > > > > > > I am getting that sinking feeling that Amma may pass this > year. > > > > > > Another view is that every day should be Guru Purnima. > > > > > > Those lucky enough to attend Seattle/Tacoma do your Guru > Purnima > > > there in private with "inner" formality. Every day you see > your > > Guru > > > (whether He is living or passed into MahaSamadhi) worship Him > and > > do > > > not assume you will be present at any future venues. > > > > > > If my guru so graces I will be in Her presence and prostrate - > OME > > > MORE TIME!!! If not then it is Her will and that is what is > best. > > > IMHO. > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > No I meant that it is discussed with Amma and then She makes > the > > > final decision. Then the Swamis make the arrangments. There > have > > > been times in the past when it has been VERY last minute. I > know > > > this because I have been involved in the preparations. > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > - > > > > frangi888 > > > > Ammachi > > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:06 AM > > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is always up to Amma, but I took it to mean > that > > > the swamis, as her > > > > emmisaries, would be conveying the information about when > > Guru > > > Purnima will be > > > > celebrated. He was wondering himself about it. > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > Nirmala. > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Actually the final decision is up to Amma. > > > > > - > > > > > frangi888 > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:44 AM > > > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Surya, > > > > > When I saw Prasannan here in New York three days ago > he > > said > > > what you did; that the > > > > tirth > > > > > for Guru Purnima falls on July 10th, not July 11th. > He > > > therefore felt that it would be > > > > > unlikely to be held in DC, and more likely to be in > Iowa, > > but > > > then stressed that the final > > > > > decision is made by the swamis. > > > > > I had gotten my hopes up for a DC Guru Purnima! Over > the > > > years I've never been with > > > > > Mother on Guru Purnima but for some reason now I > feel > > it's > > > really important to be > > > > there. > > > > > We can only wait and see...! > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Nirmala. > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" > <mahamuni@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The MA center calendar is often wrong. I don't > think > > you > > > really listed to what I > > > > wrote. > > > > > The time is different for different locations. > Shivaratri > > > this year was the perfect > > > > example. > > > > > It fell in most of the US on one day and on the East > Coast > > > and in India the next. The > > > > tirth, > > > > > or exact moment that the "event" starts, was very > close on > > > Shivaratri to Midnight, so > > > > > people interpreted it as they saw fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > The tirth is the exact moment it will start. That > tirth > > > will be different for different > > > > > locations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a good primer on the subject of Panchangam: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 LOL! Yes, it's amazing how She will make us rest if we must rest, and stay up if we must stay up. I remember seeing her strongly admonish one devotee (I won't name names) with health issues for staying up too late in LA. He refused to go to bed, like a little child, it was very sweet, with Mother telling him to go sleep! I remember Amma saying in a Q&A once (several years ago) that she sometimes "puts her children to sleep," so that their minds will shut down and they can better accept the "surgery." But she said that the area closer to the stage should be only for awake and present devotees (i.e. we shouldn't leave our asanas, etc. around if we are not coming right back, make room for devotees who want to be close). So many times I've seen huge portions of the floor space near the stage filled with snoozing devotees and kids, all stretched out with blankets and pillows for most of the evening, feet pointing at Amma. Often they are newcomers, but sometimes not! In San Ramon there is always a huge group of sleeping people on the balcony, I often wonder if maybe there could just be a designated resting area somewhere outside of the hall for kids and parents or weary touring devotees who just can't hang in there any longer. It would sure free up space inside the hall, but would maybe encourage people to just sleep all night and get up in the morning for the petals, which is obviously not what Amma wants us to do. But what to do with all those tuckered-out kids? I always fret over my step-daughter, Sammy, sleeping on the balcony with so many people coming and going and stepping over her little head. It would be a nice seva for an adult to watch over a children's sleeping area, at least, so they wouldn't be underfoot. love, Prajna ammasiswari <ammasiswari > wrote: That's what I did in Michigan this year....incidentally, the only time Amma has foiled my EVERY attempt to do seva and allowed me to get the rest I needed instead. It was almost comical! When things get that absurd, I always know Amma's got her hand in the pot. ;-D In general, I agree with others that seva is the best way to stay energized through Devi Bhava. However, I've learned for me, personally, that I cannot stay up all night for two tour stops in a row, without serious consequences (as a result of a weakened immune system from Lyme disease). Anyway, I think resting, arriving late and giving others a chance to experience the Atma puja is a good compromise for people with some physical limitations. Blessings, Iswari Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji> wrote: > > Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma Puja and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit outside for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. > > Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay up all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the difference in the world. > > love, > > Prajna Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: Awareness." - Amma Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Everyone should do as they are comfortable. There is no "right" or "wrong". - Prajna - Brianna Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:50 AM Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma Puja and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit outside for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay up all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the difference in the world. love, Prajna kasi_visvanath <kasi_visvanath > wrote: Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> wrote: > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > pain in the butt. > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaskarams! i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the rest of us slaved!" or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the work too... anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... in Amma's Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Namah Sivaya! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: Awareness." - Amma Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 AT San Ramon, it seems the entire hall becomes one big sleeping zone. Its like an Indian train station, smells included (especially on the balcony). Amma used to make us wake everyone up. That was not a fun job! - Prajna - Brianna Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:58 AM Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava LOL! Yes, it's amazing how She will make us rest if we must rest, and stay up if we must stay up. I remember seeing her strongly admonish one devotee (I won't name names) with health issues for staying up too late in LA. He refused to go to bed, like a little child, it was very sweet, with Mother telling him to go sleep! I remember Amma saying in a Q&A once (several years ago) that she sometimes "puts her children to sleep," so that their minds will shut down and they can better accept the "surgery." But she said that the area closer to the stage should be only for awake and present devotees (i.e. we shouldn't leave our asanas, etc. around if we are not coming right back, make room for devotees who want to be close). So many times I've seen huge portions of the floor space near the stage filled with snoozing devotees and kids, all stretched out with blankets and pillows for most of the evening, feet pointing at Amma. Often they are newcomers, but sometimes not! In San Ramon there is always a huge group of sleeping people on the balcony, I often wonder if maybe there could just be a designated resting area somewhere outside of the hall for kids and parents or weary touring devotees who just can't hang in there any longer. It would sure free up space inside the hall, but would maybe encourage people to just sleep all night and get up in the morning for the petals, which is obviously not what Amma wants us to do. But what to do with all those tuckered-out kids? I always fret over my step-daughter, Sammy, sleeping on the balcony with so many people coming and going and stepping over her little head. It would be a nice seva for an adult to watch over a children's sleeping area, at least, so they wouldn't be underfoot. love, Prajna ammasiswari <ammasiswari > wrote: That's what I did in Michigan this year....incidentally, the only time Amma has foiled my EVERY attempt to do seva and allowed me to get the rest I needed instead. It was almost comical! When things get that absurd, I always know Amma's got her hand in the pot. ;-D In general, I agree with others that seva is the best way to stay energized through Devi Bhava. However, I've learned for me, personally, that I cannot stay up all night for two tour stops in a row, without serious consequences (as a result of a weakened immune system from Lyme disease). Anyway, I think resting, arriving late and giving others a chance to experience the Atma puja is a good compromise for people with some physical limitations. Blessings, Iswari Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji> wrote: > > Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma Puja and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit outside for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. > > Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay up all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the difference in the world. > > love, > > Prajna Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: Awareness." - Amma Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I remember during my last Devi Bhava, I stepped on someones hair by accident. She was fast asleep in between the chairs about 2 rows from Amma and covered in a blanket, virtually invisible. I felt so bad, but she didn't make it any better by screaming and yelling at me and shooting me nasty looks for the rest of the evening. Perhaps this is another reason why people should not be sleeping in the temple....accidental injury!! Jai Ma! Ananthasree Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Manoj, Who told you that Amma said this? I believe that this was/is a rumor, though it is good advice. Being awake during the Brahma Muhurta was never any part of the reason why She didn't want people to GO LEAVE AND SLEEP and then come back. I was right there when this started. Since Bhavani was/is in charge of the all, all instruction came directly from Amma to her and then to any of us who were recruited to help "enforce" this. The reasons given were two: 1. If people leave and go sleep and then come back, when will the Bhava end? It will pretty much never end. Amma's going 12-18 hrs straight as it is. 2. Amma didn't want people leaving the energy of the hall and then coming back. She said, it the energy of the Bhava just kept building and building and it is lost by leaving the hall to do other things, especially sleep. That was why in many hotels and sites, you weren't even allowed outside the hall itself, except with just cause (usually to do with Seva and then requiring a pass). It got VERY strict in Boston last year. Of course it depended on the space, where the bathrooms were, etc. In Boston, the bathrooms were in the hall. How strictly this has been enforced has varied from place to place and with the people around. The directions have varied as well. Truth is, I felt I was the WORST at this job. I didn't want to turn people away. I guess I'm just a big softie. But I think it is a good policy. When this started happening, sleeping in the hall became fine. I never personally liked this either, except for kids, elderly and people who were sick/had medical conditions, but its not my business to judge what others are doing. Also the sleeping right by the stage and pointing the feet at Amma, really hit me hard. I felt so bad and sad about it. Also there have been times when so many people come and sit right in front of the Swamis and musicians. Sometimes it happens in a slow, encroaching kind of a way. The problem is that once the people are there like that, the Swamis won't request them to move. Big Swamiji has said to me that if he requested it, people might have hurt feelings and he didn't want to incur the karma of that. So the entire front just filled up with people. Some even fell asleep. Once back in the early 90s, I remember sitting kind of "first row" off to the right of the singers, up in San Ramon. I was exhausted. I foolishly closed my eyes to "meditate" during a nice bhajan, and of course drifted off. Amma had Dayamrita, who was Raj Shekar back then, personally come up to me and wake me up and convey a few words to me like, "who is this xxxxxx boy that just sits up close and goes to sleep right in front of me? Who does he think he is?" I'm slightly paraphrasing, but not much--only on what I can't remember exactly. Lets just say I'm much, much more careful about this since then. Its really tough sometimes! Jai Maa! Surya When you said that you have not seen Amma since 2001, then it made sense why you are asking this q. Around 2004, Amma has been insisting that we stay awake during the entire DB, especially the Brahma-muhurta time (approx 4 am) as it is a terrific time to chant our mantra or do guru-seva in the guru's presence. .... makes a lot of sense to me. The way the sevites enforce this is the tough part... not consistent across the tour, and policies are still eveolving. They get a lot of flak for this (poor guys!), particularly because I believe they are all doing their best what Amma has told them directly or indirectly. In Nov2004@Detroit (Ypsilanti Marriott), it was kind of taken for granted that a person coming from outside at say 5 am into the hall was sleeping and coming. I think they did let in many of these eventually but with look of displeasure on their faces. if you were inside and went out for a moment and came in, then you needed to have a special patch at exit and surrender it at re-entry. one good thing they did was to keep this checkpost beyond the food stalls and the rest rooms, just close to the lobby (the hotel residents and outside people came in from here). But you may not get such a great arrangement in every tour stop. As I said, it's not a good time for the sevites or the people being rejected, but I have faith in Amma and I am glad she is doing this as I also think it's time that she got harder with her devotees to make them grow up faster. I for one definitely need to grow some more. Last Nov in San Ramon (my daughter's letter-writing ceremony), I slept in the hall for 2 hours (5am - 7 am). My wife (who is not particularly a devotee and who loves to sleep!) stayed awake the whole night for the first time in her life! Clearly, I need more discipline and I welcome Amma's blows - I just hope and pray I can take it well! Jai Ma! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi -- a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 ONe more note on this...it was always fine to sleep during the beginning and to come in much later. That time varied upon the hall. The darshan token cut off was another thing. Usually 12 midnight was the average cut off for that. - Prasadini Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:21 AM Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava I've never been able to stay up all night. Never in my life. We all have different constitutions. Now that I am among the very ill it is a really good way to make myself bedridden for an indefinite period of time. Guess no more Devi Bhavas for this child. : > Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> wrote: > > > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > > pain in the butt. > > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > Namaskarams! > > i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door > unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't > come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the > rest of us slaved!" > > or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" > > or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find > yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. > > in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire > Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is > to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra > brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under > those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last > folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own > darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma > allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have > changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted > to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite > early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, > work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the > work too... > > anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... > > in Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Namah Sivaya! > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > <>. > > > ------ > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group " Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 it may have been AMMA through you that stepped on HER head and also AMMA through her who screamed at you the rest of the night...AMMA says HER main concern is HER childrens spiritual growth.when someone screams at us ,it is an oppurtunity for us to forgive and to most importantly forget...it also helps us to see what areas we need to grow in... if you are open to see it such as this ,you actually could be thankful for your screaming sister ,for she in her screams gave you and oppurtinity to grow spiritually....... so in ESSENCE ,even if she wasnt aware of it ,your beloved sisters even in her yelling was helping matters..... AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart, that what has been shared here ,may be recieved as an offering of HER LOVE..... >"Ananthasree" <ananthasree (AT) mac (DOT) com> >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >Thu, 18 May 2006 18:30:18 -0000 > >I remember during my last Devi Bhava, I stepped on someones hair by >accident. She was >fast asleep in between the chairs about 2 rows from Amma and covered in a >blanket, >virtually invisible. I felt so bad, but she didn't make it any better by >screaming and yelling >at me and shooting me nasty looks for the rest of the evening. Perhaps this >is another >reason why people should not be sleeping in the temple....accidental >injury!! > >Jai Ma! > >Ananthasree > >http://www.ananthasree.com > > >Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > > > AT San Ramon, it seems the entire hall becomes one big sleeping zone. >Its like an >Indian train station, smells included (especially on the balcony). > > > > Amma used to make us wake everyone up. That was not a fun job! > > - > > Prajna - Brianna > > Ammachi > > Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:58 AM > > Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > > > > > > LOL! Yes, it's amazing how She will make us rest if we must rest, and >stay up if we >must stay up. I remember seeing her strongly admonish one devotee (I won't >name names) >with health issues for staying up too late in LA. He refused to go to bed, >like a little child, >it was very sweet, with Mother telling him to go sleep! > > > > I remember Amma saying in a Q&A once (several years ago) that she >sometimes "puts >her children to sleep," so that their minds will shut down and they can >better accept the >"surgery." But she said that the area closer to the stage should be only >for awake and >present devotees (i.e. we shouldn't leave our asanas, etc. around if we are >not coming >right back, make room for devotees who want to be close). > > > > So many times I've seen huge portions of the floor space near the >stage filled with >snoozing devotees and kids, all stretched out with blankets and pillows for >most of the >evening, feet pointing at Amma. Often they are newcomers, but sometimes >not! In San >Ramon there is always a huge group of sleeping people on the balcony, I >often wonder if >maybe there could just be a designated resting area somewhere outside of >the hall for >kids and parents or weary touring devotees who just can't hang in there any >longer. It >would sure free up space inside the hall, but would maybe encourage people >to just sleep >all night and get up in the morning for the petals, which is obviously not >what Amma >wants us to do. But what to do with all those tuckered-out kids? I always >fret over my >step-daughter, Sammy, sleeping on the balcony with so many people coming >and going >and stepping over her little head. It would be a nice seva for an adult to >watch over a >children's sleeping area, at least, > > so they wouldn't be underfoot. > > > > love, > > > > Prajna > > > > ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: > > That's what I did in Michigan this year....incidentally, the only >time Amma has foiled >my > > EVERY attempt to do seva and allowed me to get the rest I needed >instead. It was >almost > > comical! When things get that absurd, I always know Amma's got her >hand in the >pot. ;-D > > > > In general, I agree with others that seva is the best way to stay >energized through Devi > > Bhava. However, I've learned for me, personally, that I cannot stay up >all night for two >tour > > stops in a row, without serious consequences (as a result of a >weakened immune >system > > from Lyme disease). Anyway, I think resting, arriving late and giving >others a chance to > > experience the Atma puja is a good compromise for people with some >physical >limitations. > > > > Blessings, > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji@> wrote: > > > > > > Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma >Puja and come to >DB > > around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake until >morning. It started >when I > > saw how many newcomers have to sit outside for the first several hours >of DB, and I > > figured that since I had been to so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty >of holy water, I > > should let somebody else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up >napping during that > > time, which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse >to sleep inside >the > > hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for at >least one Atma Puja on >the > > tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. > > > > > > Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay >up all night like > > GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep disorders make >it oh so > > painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the difference in the >world. > > > > > > love, > > > > > > Prajna > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: >Awareness." - Amma > > > > > > > > Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. >Just radically better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > >---------- >-- > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 True, that! Jai Ma! Ananthasree Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits> wrote: > > it may have been AMMA through you that stepped on HER head and also AMMA > through her who screamed at you the rest of the night...AMMA says HER main > concern is HER childrens spiritual growth.when someone screams at us ,it is > an oppurtunity for us to forgive and to most importantly forget...it also > helps us to see what areas we need to grow in... > > if you are open to see it such as this ,you actually could be thankful for > your screaming sister ,for she in her screams gave you and oppurtinity to > grow spiritually....... so in ESSENCE ,even if she wasnt aware of it ,your > beloved sisters even in her yelling was helping matters..... > > AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart, that what has been shared here ,may > be recieved as an offering of HER LOVE..... > > > > > >"Ananthasree" <ananthasree> > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > >Thu, 18 May 2006 18:30:18 -0000 > > > >I remember during my last Devi Bhava, I stepped on someones hair by > >accident. She was > >fast asleep in between the chairs about 2 rows from Amma and covered in a > >blanket, > >virtually invisible. I felt so bad, but she didn't make it any better by > >screaming and yelling > >at me and shooting me nasty looks for the rest of the evening. Perhaps this > >is another > >reason why people should not be sleeping in the temple....accidental > >injury!! > > > >Jai Ma! > > > >Ananthasree > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 One of the few Devi Bhavas this child was able to attend was in 2000 in San Rafael. There were people dancing and jumping in a frenzy in the back of the hall, and very close to them were little kids sound asleep. I just figured it was Mother's sankalpa that kept someone from being seriously hurt. People were sound asleep in the strangest places - either they just fell over or the crowd moved, but there were people sleeping where a lot of people were walking, etc. Kids sleeping with their heads sticking out in the aisles, etc. I also think that perhaps it is Mother's sankalpa that people don't become sick from the radiation on the beaches near the Amritapuri ashram. and that her sankalpa allows people to survive on the ashram diet. Ananthasree wrote: > I remember during my last Devi Bhava, I stepped on someones hair by > accident. She was > fast asleep in between the chairs about 2 rows from Amma and covered > in a blanket, > virtually invisible. I felt so bad, but she didn't make it any better > by screaming and yelling > at me and shooting me nasty looks for the rest of the evening. Perhaps > this is another > reason why people should not be sleeping in the temple....accidental > injury!! > > Jai Ma! > > Ananthasree > > >. > > > ------ > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group " Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 AMMAs sun would like to share something.this child believes that the ESSENCE of AMMA saying to stay awake during DEVI BHAVA is simply to "STAY AWAKE",as in AWAKEN CHILDREN...could SHE perhaps be saying to increase our AWARENESS of what is actually happening, or is SHE saying to actually saying to keep our bodys up?.....the message of this may resonate differently to each persons mind,however, in the HEART of the matter once again ,it is our MOTHER challenging us to contemplate and go deeper.once again SHE is loving us and being most concerned with HER darling childrens spiritual growth.. AMMAs sun has learned through HER LOVE that their is always a simple spiritual message underneath the complicated one.... this message is not a new one from AMMA.AMMA has been saying the this for years.."AWAKEN MY DARLING children.... from the deepest love of this heart AMMAs sun prays that AMMA is pleased with what this child has shared with his brothers and sisters....love you........ >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >Thu, 18 May 2006 10:59:39 -0700 > >Everyone should do as they are comfortable. There is no "right" or >"wrong". > - > Prajna - Brianna > Ammachi > Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:50 AM > Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > > > Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma Puja >and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake >until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit outside >for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to >so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody >else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, >which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep >inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for >at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like Seattle. > > Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay up >all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep >disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the >difference in the world. > > love, > > Prajna > > kasi_visvanath <kasi_visvanath > wrote: > Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 >wrote: > > > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > > pain in the butt. > > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > Namaskarams! > > i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door > unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't > come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the > rest of us slaved!" > > or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" > > or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find > yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. > > in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire > Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is > to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra > brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under > those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last > folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own > darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma > allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have > changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted > to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite > early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, > work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the > work too... > > anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... > > in Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Namah Sivaya! > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > > > > "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: >Awareness." - Amma > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ >countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > > _______________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make your home page now. http://us.click./AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! <*> Ammachi/ <*> Ammachi <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Surya, I am never so upclose to Amma that she tells me anything of value regarding the program et al; the only time she talks to me directly is when I go for darshan. and that too she talks to me in Tamil even though Geeta or the other lap-seva coordinators tell her I am malayalee! Here is the best part - I respond in malayalam because I dont speak Tamil although I understand it somewhat! she speaks to my wife in malayalam though. leelas! I heard the below from a Michigan tour seva coordinator (name not important) who told me Amma wants people to have the darshan of Guru during BrahmaMuhurta time (the best sattvic time of the day for any sadhana) and sustain the energy, that is very efficacious for mantra chanting or seva etc. This is my input: Even "plain" darshan (meaning sight of the guru) in that time can be of more value FOR US at that time than at other times. It may be the surgeon's kind, cruel cut that Amma is playing out with this. seemingly cruel but infintely kind in helping us ground ourselves better and faster in our sadhana. I don't think it's a rumor; the lady is built of better character than spreading rumors. Jai Ma! Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > Manoj, > > Who told you that Amma said this? I believe that this was/is a rumor, though it is good advice. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > > > When you said that you have not seen Amma since 2001, then it made > sense why you are asking this q. > > Around 2004, Amma has been insisting that we stay awake during the > entire DB, especially the Brahma-muhurta time (approx 4 am) as it > is a terrific time to chant our mantra or do guru-seva in the > guru's presence. .... makes a lot of sense to me. > > Jai Ma! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Interesting. Maybe She said this later on or maybe that was just the input of the coordinator or someone who conveyed it to her. People sometime innocently add their own twist, not meaning to start a rumor. But I like to be exacting when we are talking about what Amma said or did not say. I just never heard this at any of the programs this has been implemented in. I did not attend Michigan the last two years though. But I can say that this was never stated as an original reason, and was not stated on the 2005 summer tour nor at San Ramon last Nov. Surya - manoj_menon Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:30 PM Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava Surya, I am never so upclose to Amma that she tells me anything of value regarding the program et al; the only time she talks to me directly is when I go for darshan. and that too she talks to me in Tamil even though Geeta or the other lap-seva coordinators tell her I am malayalee! Here is the best part - I respond in malayalam because I dont speak Tamil although I understand it somewhat! she speaks to my wife in malayalam though. leelas! I heard the below from a Michigan tour seva coordinator (name not important) who told me Amma wants people to have the darshan of Guru during BrahmaMuhurta time (the best sattvic time of the day for any sadhana) and sustain the energy, that is very efficacious for mantra chanting or seva etc. This is my input: Even "plain" darshan (meaning sight of the guru) in that time can be of more value FOR US at that time than at other times. It may be the surgeon's kind, cruel cut that Amma is playing out with this. seemingly cruel but infintely kind in helping us ground ourselves better and faster in our sadhana. I don't think it's a rumor; the lady is built of better character than spreading rumors. Jai Ma! Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > Manoj, > > Who told you that Amma said this? I believe that this was/is a rumor, though it is good advice. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > > > When you said that you have not seen Amma since 2001, then it made > sense why you are asking this q. > > Around 2004, Amma has been insisting that we stay awake during the > entire DB, especially the Brahma-muhurta time (approx 4 am) as it > is a terrific time to chant our mantra or do guru-seva in the > guru's presence. .... makes a lot of sense to me. > > Jai Ma! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yes! Good one! - "temba spirits" <tembaspirits (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> <Ammachi> Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:23 PM Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > AMMAs sun would like to share something.this child believes that the > ESSENCE > of AMMA saying to stay awake during DEVI BHAVA is simply to "STAY > AWAKE",as > in AWAKEN CHILDREN...could SHE perhaps be saying to increase our AWARENESS > of what is actually happening, or is SHE saying to actually saying to > keep > our bodys up?.....the message of this may resonate differently to each > persons mind,however, in the HEART of the matter once again ,it is our > MOTHER challenging us to contemplate and go deeper.once again SHE is > loving > us and being most concerned with HER darling childrens spiritual growth.. > > AMMAs sun has learned through HER LOVE that their is always a simple > spiritual message underneath the complicated one.... > > > this message is not a new one from AMMA.AMMA has been saying the this for > years.."AWAKEN MY DARLING children.... from the deepest love of this heart > AMMAs sun prays that AMMA is pleased with what this child has shared with > his brothers and sisters....love you........ > >>"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >>Ammachi >><Ammachi> >>Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:59:39 -0700 >> >>Everyone should do as they are comfortable. There is no "right" or >>"wrong". >> - >> Prajna - Brianna >> Ammachi >> Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:50 AM >> Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >> >> >> Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma >> Puja >>and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake >>until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit >>outside >>for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been to >>so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody >>else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, >>which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to sleep >>inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay for >>at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like >>Seattle. >> >> Amma has never directly chided me for this.. I do wish I could stay up >>all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep >>disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the >>difference in the world. >> >> love, >> >> Prajna >> >> kasi_visvanath <kasi_visvanath > wrote: >> Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> >>wrote: >> > >> > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during >> > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to >> > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says >> > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an >> > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an >> > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. >> > >> > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, >> > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total >> > pain in the butt. >> > >> > >> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! >> >> Namaskarams! >> >> i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door >> unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't >> come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the >> rest of us slaved!" >> >> or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" >> >> or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find >> yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. >> >> in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire >> Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is >> to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra >> brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under >> those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it....the last >> folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own >> darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma >> allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have >> changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted >> to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite >> early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, >> work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the >> work too... >> >> anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... >> >> in Amma's Divine Love, >> and in Her Service, >> as ever, >> >> visvanathan >> >> Om Namah Sivaya! >> >> >> >> >> >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> >> >> >> >> Mata amritanandamayi >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >> >> >> Ammachi >> >> Terms of >> Service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: >>Awareness." - Amma >> >> >> >> Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ >>countries) for 2¢/min or less. >> >> >> >> >> >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> >> >> >> Mata amritanandamayi >> >> >> >> >> >> a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >> >> b.. >> Ammachi >> >> c.. Terms of >>Service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 OK, that is one way of expressing it. There are others. In either case, I don't see what this has to do regarding this particular topic of discussion. - "temba spirits" <tembaspirits (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> <Ammachi> Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:31 PM Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > AMMA is the only one EXACT...everything else is subseptible to > change..AMMAs > sun believes that this is one of the reasons that THE CREATOR gave us the > gift of forgiveness...we will all continually fall short..forgiving one > another when we ,or they fall short is how we keep from falling.... > > >>"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >>Ammachi >><Ammachi> >>Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >>Thu, 18 May 2006 13:23:46 -0700 >> >>Interesting. Maybe She said this later on or maybe that was just the >>input >>of the coordinator or someone who conveyed it to her. People sometime >>innocently add their own twist, not meaning to start a rumor. But I like >>to be exacting when we are talking about what Amma said or did not say. >> >>I just never heard this at any of the programs this has been implemented >>in. I did not attend Michigan the last two years though. >> >>But I can say that this was never stated as an original reason, and was >>not >>stated on the 2005 summer tour nor at San Ramon last Nov. >> >>Surya >> >> >> - >> manoj_menon >> Ammachi >> Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:30 PM >> Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >> >> >> Surya, >> >> I am never so upclose to Amma that she tells me anything of value >> regarding the program et al; the only time she talks to me directly >> is when I go for darshan. and that too she talks to me in Tamil even >> though Geeta or the other lap-seva coordinators tell her I am >> malayalee! Here is the best part - I respond in malayalam because I >> dont speak Tamil although I understand it somewhat! she speaks to my >> wife in malayalam though. leelas! >> >> >> I heard the below from a Michigan tour seva coordinator (name not >> important) who told me Amma wants people to have the darshan of Guru >> during BrahmaMuhurta time (the best sattvic time of the day for any >> sadhana) and sustain the energy, that is very efficacious for mantra >> chanting or seva etc. >> >> This is my input: Even "plain" darshan (meaning sight of the guru) >> in that time can be of more value FOR US at that time than at other >> times. >> >> It may be the surgeon's kind, cruel cut that Amma is playing out >> with this. seemingly cruel but infintely kind in helping us ground >> ourselves better and faster in our sadhana. >> >> I don't think it's a rumor; the lady is built of better character >> than spreading rumors. >> >> Jai Ma! >> >> >> Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: >> > Manoj, >> > >> > Who told you that Amma said this? I believe that this was/is a >> rumor, though it is good advice. >> > >> > Jai Maa! >> > >> > Surya >> > >> > >> > >> > When you said that you have not seen Amma since 2001, then it made >> > sense why you are asking this q. >> > >> > Around 2004, Amma has been insisting that we stay awake during the >> > entire DB, especially the Brahma-muhurta time (approx 4 am) as it >> > is a terrific time to chant our mantra or do guru-seva in the >> > guru's presence. .... makes a lot of sense to me. >> > >> > Jai Ma! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> >> >> >> Mata amritanandamayi >> >> >> >> >> >> a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >> >> b.. >> Ammachi >> >> c.. Terms of >>Service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 yes beloved.GOD IS ONE.... >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >Thu, 18 May 2006 13:30:53 -0700 > >Yes! Good one! > >- >"temba spirits" <tembaspirits (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> ><Ammachi> >Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:23 PM >Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > > > > AMMAs sun would like to share something.this child believes that the > > ESSENCE > > of AMMA saying to stay awake during DEVI BHAVA is simply to "STAY > > AWAKE",as > > in AWAKEN CHILDREN...could SHE perhaps be saying to increase our >AWARENESS > > of what is actually happening, or is SHE saying to actually saying to > > keep > > our bodys up?.....the message of this may resonate differently to each > > persons mind,however, in the HEART of the matter once again ,it is our > > MOTHER challenging us to contemplate and go deeper.once again SHE is > > loving > > us and being most concerned with HER darling childrens spiritual >growth.. > > > > AMMAs sun has learned through HER LOVE that their is always a simple > > spiritual message underneath the complicated one.... > > > > > > this message is not a new one from AMMA.AMMA has been saying the this >for > > years.."AWAKEN MY DARLING children.... from the deepest love of this >heart > > AMMAs sun prays that AMMA is pleased with what this child has shared >with > > his brothers and sisters....love you........ > > > >>"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> > >>Ammachi > >><Ammachi> > >>Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > >>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:59:39 -0700 > >> > >>Everyone should do as they are comfortable. There is no "right" or > >>"wrong". > >> - > >> Prajna - Brianna > >> Ammachi > >> Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:50 AM > >> Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > >> > >> > >> Maybe this is cheating, but the way I do it now is to skip the Atma > >> Puja > >>and come to DB around 11pm, after a little nap. This helps me stay awake > >>until morning. It started when I saw how many newcomers have to sit > >>outside > >>for the first several hours of DB, and I figured that since I had been >to > >>so many Atma Pujas, and have plenty of holy water, I should let somebody > >>else be inside the hall. Of course I ended up napping during that time, > >>which made the rest of the evening much easier, because I refuse to >sleep > >>inside the hall. Now I do this at almost every DB, although I do stay >for > >>at least one Atma Puja on the tour, usually in a smaller city like > >>Seattle. > >> > >> Amma has never directly chided me for this. I do wish I could stay >up > >>all night like GeorgeSon and others, but major back problems and sleep > >>disorders make it oh so painful, and just a few hours rest makes all the > >>difference in the world. > >> > >> love, > >> > >> Prajna > >> > >> kasi_visvanath <kasi_visvanath > wrote: > >> Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 > >>wrote: > >> > > >> > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > >> > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > >> > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > >> > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > >> > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > >> > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > >> > > >> > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > >> > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > >> > pain in the butt. > >> > > >> > > >> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > >> > >> Namaskarams! > >> > >> i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door > >> unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you can't > >> come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while the > >> rest of us slaved!" > >> > >> or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!" > >> > >> or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find > >> yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun.. > >> > >> in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire > >> Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) >is > >> to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra > >> brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under > >> those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last > >> folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own > >> darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma > >> allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have > >> changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted > >> to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite > >> early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, > >> work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the > >> work too... > >> > >> anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... > >> > >> in Amma's Divine Love, > >> and in Her Service, > >> as ever, > >> > >> visvanathan > >> > >> Om Namah Sivaya! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mata amritanandamayi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > >> > >> > >> Ammachi > >> > >> Terms of > >> Service. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: > >>Awareness." - Amma > >> > >> > >> > >> Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and >30+ > >>countries) for 2¢/min or less. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > >> > >> > >> > >> Mata amritanandamayi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > >> > >> b.. > >> Ammachi > >> > >> c.. Terms of > >>Service. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________ > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >to > > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 that is the beauty of acceptance...we dont have to see or to understand ,only accept.you may not see ,however ,perhaps someone else may benifit from what you cannot.please forgive this child if you were disturbed by his sharing ....that my beloeved sister is what is most important ,when we are disturbed... forgiveness.. AMMAs sun believes our ultimate goal should be to always come back to spiritual principals. spiritual principles are always relevant.. it is because of spirtual pricipals not being inetergrated in our discussions that this world has decreased in dharma...this can happen in spiritul circles as well....AMMAs sun prays that AMMA is pleased with what he has shared.... >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava >Thu, 18 May 2006 13:35:31 -0700 > >OK, that is one way of expressing it. There are others. > >In either case, I don't see what this has to do regarding this particular >topic of discussion. > >- >"temba spirits" <tembaspirits (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> ><Ammachi> >Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:31 PM >Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > > > > AMMA is the only one EXACT...everything else is subseptible to > > change..AMMAs > > sun believes that this is one of the reasons that THE CREATOR gave us >the > > gift of forgiveness...we will all continually fall short..forgiving one > > another when we ,or they fall short is how we keep from falling.... > > > > > >>"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> > >>Ammachi > >><Ammachi> > >>Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > >>Thu, 18 May 2006 13:23:46 -0700 > >> > >>Interesting. Maybe She said this later on or maybe that was just the > >>input > >>of the coordinator or someone who conveyed it to her. People sometime > >>innocently add their own twist, not meaning to start a rumor. But I >like > >>to be exacting when we are talking about what Amma said or did not say. > >> > >>I just never heard this at any of the programs this has been implemented > >>in. I did not attend Michigan the last two years though. > >> > >>But I can say that this was never stated as an original reason, and was > >>not > >>stated on the 2005 summer tour nor at San Ramon last Nov. > >> > >>Surya > >> > >> > >> - > >> manoj_menon > >> Ammachi > >> Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:30 PM > >> Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava > >> > >> > >> Surya, > >> > >> I am never so upclose to Amma that she tells me anything of value > >> regarding the program et al; the only time she talks to me directly > >> is when I go for darshan. and that too she talks to me in Tamil even > >> though Geeta or the other lap-seva coordinators tell her I am > >> malayalee! Here is the best part - I respond in malayalam because I > >> dont speak Tamil although I understand it somewhat! she speaks to my > >> wife in malayalam though. leelas! > >> > >> > >> I heard the below from a Michigan tour seva coordinator (name not > >> important) who told me Amma wants people to have the darshan of Guru > >> during BrahmaMuhurta time (the best sattvic time of the day for any > >> sadhana) and sustain the energy, that is very efficacious for mantra > >> chanting or seva etc. > >> > >> This is my input: Even "plain" darshan (meaning sight of the guru) > >> in that time can be of more value FOR US at that time than at other > >> times. > >> > >> It may be the surgeon's kind, cruel cut that Amma is playing out > >> with this. seemingly cruel but infintely kind in helping us ground > >> ourselves better and faster in our sadhana. > >> > >> I don't think it's a rumor; the lady is built of better character > >> than spreading rumors. > >> > >> Jai Ma! > >> > >> > >> Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > >> > Manoj, > >> > > >> > Who told you that Amma said this? I believe that this was/is a > >> rumor, though it is good advice. > >> > > >> > Jai Maa! > >> > > >> > Surya > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > When you said that you have not seen Amma since 2001, then it made > >> > sense why you are asking this q. > >> > > >> > Around 2004, Amma has been insisting that we stay awake during the > >> > entire DB, especially the Brahma-muhurta time (approx 4 am) as it > >> > is a terrific time to chant our mantra or do guru-seva in the > >> > guru's presence. .... makes a lot of sense to me. > >> > > >> > Jai Ma! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > >> > >> > >> > >> Mata amritanandamayi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > >> > >> b.. > >> Ammachi > >> > >> c.. Terms of > >>Service. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________ > > Is your PC infected? 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Agreed. such as 5am Greeting seva at the door in NYC. Nirmala Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > YES IT DOES! > > In fact, that is one of the jobs that actually makes me get VERY sleepy! HA! > - > ckeniley2003 > Ammachi > Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:21 AM > no sleep during Devi Bhava > > > Now on Devi Bhava nights Amma does not want people to sleep during > the program (either at the program or in their rooms) and then to > come back for darshan in the morning. Makes sense, the staff says > its a bit disrespectful to Amma, and can't we at least make an > effort for one night? Amma's doing this all the time. Again here an > example where Amma wants us to make AN EFORT. > > Of course this gets controversial because everyones got an excuse, > legitimate or otherwise. Enforcing this at the door becomes a total > pain in the butt. > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > Actually, I do that quite often and it doesn't change my state at > night, more late afternoon/early evening. Food moving is a good > workout for me when I can't get much else on Tour. > > > > Mother has trained me to do without sleep over the years. Now its > no big deal. I made a vow long ago to not go to sleep before She > leaves a program. She is not napping, so I am not napping. Many > times I've stayed up over 40 hrs straight. > > > > In the beginning we would all die if Mother went to 4 or 5 AM. > Now those are early nights! HA! I remember falling asleep before 1 > AM at my first Bhava. Up in the loft of the barn in New Hampshire. > Mother came to me in a dream and woke me up so I wouldn't miss the > end. > > > > What a long strange trip its been....;-) > > > > - > > ckeniley2003 > > Ammachi > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:54 PM > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > Haha! Maybe you were amongst the few perky wide awake ones. > > > > Bet you hadn't been doing food moving Seva all day! Lol. > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > > > Are you kidding? So late? Compared to the Devi Bhava's > ending at > > 11 AM or later, it was nothing. A real treat in fact! > > > - > > > ckeniley2003 > > > Ammachi > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 PM > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > Guru purnima is so special. I hope everyone can make it. > Last > > year > > > it was held so late people were forcing themselves to keep > their > > > eyes open. Even the swamini was nodding off. Her head was > > bobbing > > > like someone pretending not to fall asleep in an office > meeting. > > she > > > joked about it later saying that Amma was the world's best > guru > > but > > > had the world's worst devotees. > > > > > > Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya: > > > > > > > > Frankly I am getting a little nervous. > > > > > > > > The Siddha Yoga Organization is acknowedging July 10. > > > > Sri Sri Karunamayi will be in a suburb of Portland, Oregon > on > > July > > > > 9. Her website announces that She will be present in > Portland > > for > > > > formal worship of the Divine Mother in Her on JULY 9. > > > > > > > > I am getting that sinking feeling that Amma may pass this > > year. > > > > > > > > Another view is that every day should be Guru Purnima. > > > > > > > > Those lucky enough to attend Seattle/Tacoma do your Guru > > Purnima > > > > there in private with "inner" formality. Every day you > see > > your > > > Guru > > > > (whether He is living or passed into MahaSamadhi) worship > Him > > and > > > do > > > > not assume you will be present at any future venues. > > > > > > > > If my guru so graces I will be in Her presence and > prostrate - > > OME > > > > MORE TIME!!! If not then it is Her will and that is what > is > > best. > > > > IMHO. > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No I meant that it is discussed with Amma and then She > makes > > the > > > > final decision. Then the Swamis make the arrangments. > There > > have > > > > been times in the past when it has been VERY last minute. > I > > know > > > > this because I have been involved in the preparations. > > > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > - > > > > > frangi888 > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:06 AM > > > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is always up to Amma, but I took it to > mean > > that > > > > the swamis, as her > > > > > emmisaries, would be conveying the information about > when > > > Guru > > > > Purnima will be > > > > > celebrated. He was wondering himself about it. > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Nirmala. > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" > <mahamuni@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually the final decision is up to Amma. > > > > > > - > > > > > > frangi888 > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:44 AM > > > > > > Re: Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Surya, > > > > > > When I saw Prasannan here in New York three days > ago > > he > > > said > > > > what you did; that the > > > > > tirth > > > > > > for Guru Purnima falls on July 10th, not July > 11th. > > He > > > > therefore felt that it would be > > > > > > unlikely to be held in DC, and more likely to be > in > > Iowa, > > > but > > > > then stressed that the final > > > > > > decision is made by the swamis. > > > > > > I had gotten my hopes up for a DC Guru Purnima! > Over > > the > > > > years I've never been with > > > > > > Mother on Guru Purnima but for some reason now I > > feel > > > it's > > > > really important to be > > > > > there. > > > > > > We can only wait and see...! > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Nirmala. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" > > <mahamuni@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The MA center calendar is often wrong. I don't > > think > > > you > > > > really listed to what I > > > > > wrote. > > > > > > The time is different for different locations. > > Shivaratri > > > > this year was the perfect > > > > > example. > > > > > > It fell in most of the US on one day and on the > East > > Coast > > > > and in India the next. The > > > > > tirth, > > > > > > or exact moment that the "event" starts, was very > > close on > > > > Shivaratri to Midnight, so > > > > > > people interpreted it as they saw fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tirth is the exact moment it will start. > That > > tirth > > > > will be different for different > > > > > > locations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a good primer on the subject of > Panchangam: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Namah Shivaya. Yayyyy, dear Brother! Seva Seva Seva instead of sleep, sleep sleep. If everyone will pitch in with some help, we'll all feel so fresh when She showers us with Her Devi charged honey petals. So do be sure and go to the seva desk and ask what what they need, or just volunteer to replace someone who's been standing there for hours who might appreciate a bathroom break or chance to grab a snack. Dear Brother, you and your beloved or on the hall seva team for Toronto and will be contacting you soon, by Amma's grace. In Her, premarupa > in my own case i found that the best way to stay up for the entire > Devi Bhava darshan, without feeling tired at all (until it is over) is > to volunteer in the seva department, perhaps handing out the mantra > brochures or some other line seva...the night just flies away under > those circumstances...and suddenly, before you know it...the last > folks are filing through the line, and you can go for your own > darshan, at the end of it all...(of course the last time that Amma > allowed me to come and see Her was in 2001...and things might have > changed...but that's how it was for me up til then.) if i just wanted > to sit around and admire Amma, i would find myself nodding off quite > early...so the best solution in my understanding is work, work, > work...Seva Seva Seva...not only that but it's kind of fun to do the > work too... > > anyways...just my two cents worth...if it's worth even that much... > > in Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Namah Sivaya! > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > > Please Note New Email Address: itskenna (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net Wouldn¹t want to lose you, so be sure to update your address book! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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