Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 1999 On 26 Dec 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote: > Yes, I agree, you consider misogyny insignificant. You have made >that quite obvious. Yes, it's a rather insignificant topic, in and of itself, it seems. Why be so concerned about "women-haters," when there are also "men-haters," "this-haters,that-haters,them-there-haters," and "them-there-super-haters," all lurking in the shadows as well? And what is the remedy for curing all of these haters? Are we more concerned to change the hearts of these various haters or simply to vilify them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 1999 > > That's right. It's not very significant as a specific subject of study. > It's obviously illicit sex and therefore abominable. We should hear and > chant krsna-katha, not about illict sex. If we want to hear and chant > about illicit sex, then why limit ourselves to pedophilia within ISKCON? Subject of study!! We have the biggest problem in ISKCON so far, pedophilic sexual and other abuse of hundreds of children. Those abusers were hearing and chanting krsna-katha. They were devotees. Present your suggestion to GBC: "Just chant and hear Krishna-katha". No need for all those meetings. Life is simple. ys Trayimaya dasa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 1999 > > That's right. It's not very significant as a specific subject of study. > It's obviously illicit sex and therefore abominable. We should hear and > chant krsna-katha, not about illict sex. If we want to hear and chant > about illicit sex, then why limit ourselves to pedophilia within ISKCON? Nobody here is advising neither you nor anybody else to be "hearing and chanting" about illicit sex and not krsna-katha. So, don't insist in asking others to be elaborating to you on what misogyny is, providing evidence, making research, and so on. In short, it's a perversion and something abominable, a mental sickness. Is this explanation good enough to you, or you wish to keep everybody here into this "hearing and chanting krsna-katha" even further on? - Mahanidhi das Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 1999 > > My dictionary gives a much simpler definition: "one who hates or distrusts > women." > That's right. But we ought to search for the philosophical understanding of the phenomenas elswhere. Your dictionary will simply define the terms, that's all. But you can also safely stick to this naked definition as given in your English dictionary, and don't ask for further elaboration based on shastra. Shastras cover up also such things as pedophilaia and misogyny, though not explicitly. First you insist in some elaboration based on shastra, and then when you start getting some hints, you come up with "Oh, no, we should not chant and hear about such abonimable things but krsna-katha". > But to call a > sincere practitioner of Krsna consciousness a misogynists then becomes a > very grave accusation, and *aparadha* if not so. > Yes. Very grave. Though not so much grave as calling sincere practitioners of Krsna consciousness "prostitutes" and "hores" and "purvapakshins" and " femi-nazies" and "feminizes" and so on and so on. Oh, yes, this must be just GHQies practicing seriously their hearing and chanting pure krsna-katha. Just don't say they are tinged with any misogyny (what's this buzzy misogyny anyway?? it's not to be explicitly found in shastra, so who bothers anyway). What they indeed are (but they quite bother not to be exposed in public as such, oh, just see). - Mahanidhi das Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 1999 > Are we more concerned to change the > hearts of these various haters or simply to vilify them? They vilify themselves everytime they click away on the keyboard, it takes no effort on my part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 1999 On 27 Dec 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote: > They vilify themselves everytime they click away on the keyboard, it takes no > effort on my part. > I would say you are in the same boat or am I making a mistake and you are actually talking about yourself? I am sorry but I have just returned from a marathon and didn't take time to read all of the 1,000 texts on this conference. Philosophy doesn't seem to come naturally to you, Ghosh! Vyapaka dasa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
