Jivan Mukta lashes out again. - Madhusudani Radha

[Guest guest]

At 8:18 -0800 5/25/99, Robert Cope wrote:

 

 

>I am saying this mostly out of concern for Mother M. Radha's reputation.

 

I'm touched. But really, please do not be concerned. I don't remember

ever asking for your protection. When I need it, I ask those close to me

and who are my well wishers. I don't consider you part of either category.

 

>Further clarification is requried and the position that they were simply

>part of a brain-storming issue does not hold water due to the long time

>lapse.

 

There would never have been a part 2 of this discussion, unless devotees

such as you, Syamasundara, JM, Mahalaxmi et al. had kept harping on the

topic, misquoting me and forcing me to defend myself. I *really don't

care* if the books are footnoted. This issue is not related to my work or

to my service.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

ps. and you're still misspelling my name - I just fixed it in the header.

So much for respect and concern

[Guest guest]

At 8:18 -0800 5/25/99, Robert Cope wrote:

 

 

>I am saying this mostly out of concern for Mother M. Radha's reputation.

 

I'm touched. But really, please do not be concerned. I don't remember

ever asking for your protection. When I need it, I ask those close to me

and who are my well wishers. I don't consider you part of either category.

 

>Further clarification is requried and the position that they were simply

>part of a brain-storming issue does not hold water due to the long time

>lapse.

 

There would never have been a part 2 of this discussion, unless devotees

such as you, Syamasundara, JM, Mahalaxmi et al. had kept harping on the

topic, misquoting me and forcing me to defend myself. I *really don't

care* if the books are footnoted. This issue is not related to my work or

to my service.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

ps. and you're still misspelling my name - I just fixed it in the header.

So much for respect and concern

[Guest guest]

>At 8:18 -0800 5/25/99, Robert Cope wrote:

>

>

>>I am saying this mostly out of concern for Mother M. Radha's reputation.

 

Madhusudani Radha:>

>I'm touched. But really, please do not be concerned. I don't remember

>ever asking for your protection. When I need it, I ask those close to me

>and who are my well wishers. I don't consider you part of either category.

 

What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and have

no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila Prabhupada's

books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as yourself and

Hare Krishna dasi. How can you have the audacity to even suggest that you

could, or anyone could, footnote Srila Prabhupada's books. Who is qualified

to do so? I'll answer that one: nobody!

>

Vd:

>>Further clarification is requried and the position that they were simply

>>part of a brain-storming issue does not hold water due to the long time

>>lapse.

>

M.Radha

>There would never have been a part 2 of this discussion, unless devotees

>such as you, Syamasundara, JM, Mahalaxmi et al. had kept harping on the

>topic, misquoting me and forcing me to defend myself. I *really don't

>care* if the books are footnoted. This issue is not related to my work or

>to my service.

 

You have stated that you wanted to footnote Prabhupada's books on at least

two occasions. First in the brainstorming session and secondly on this

conference just recently (one year after your first statement). You clearly

stated on CHAKRA that you speak your own mind and gave as an example your

advocacy for homosexual unions within the movement. Your statement on

gurukula is currently on the CHAKRA website. The only other statement that I

have attributed to you was your comments on the Deity worship conference

where it was described to me second hand that you advocated a more

compassionate standard in regards to performing marriage at the L.A. Temple.

There may have been some error there but it can easily be checked. You never

took any offense to it at the time of the original writing so am suprised to

hear of your lament presently. Please inform me where I have misquoted you.

Perhaps you are in the habit of making rash statements and then not

remembering them. Unfortunately for you, all of your statements are in

writing.

 

Jivan Mukta is a good friend of mine but we don't share all of the same

opinions. I don't even know who Mahalaxmi is! You cannot reply intelligently

to any of my questions but just throw out innuendo. This is ridiculous. You

never quote sastra and it seems your opinions never agree with them. Your

tendency is to water down the Krishna conscious philosophy and lifestyle

based upon your attachments and indoctrination to mundane liberal ideas.

When you are challenged to defend your assertions you just start screaming.

 

The Krishna conscious movement is about following sastra as enunciated by

its acarya, Srila Prabhupada. It is not a perogative but a right in this

movement to validate one's opinion by quoting him. You can scream all you

want but it is you who are making the comments that have little to no

relevance to the Hare Krsna movement. Maybe in your professional setting

they do but they don't hold much water spiritually.

 

>

>Ys,

>Madhusudani dasi

>ps. and you're still misspelling my name - I just fixed it in the header.

>So much for respect and concern

 

This is just too strange to get into.

[Guest guest]

>At 8:18 -0800 5/25/99, Robert Cope wrote:

>

>

>>I am saying this mostly out of concern for Mother M. Radha's reputation.

 

Madhusudani Radha:>

>I'm touched. But really, please do not be concerned. I don't remember

>ever asking for your protection. When I need it, I ask those close to me

>and who are my well wishers. I don't consider you part of either category.

 

What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and have

no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila Prabhupada's

books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as yourself and

Hare Krishna dasi. How can you have the audacity to even suggest that you

could, or anyone could, footnote Srila Prabhupada's books. Who is qualified

to do so? I'll answer that one: nobody!

>

Vd:

>>Further clarification is requried and the position that they were simply

>>part of a brain-storming issue does not hold water due to the long time

>>lapse.

>

M.Radha

>There would never have been a part 2 of this discussion, unless devotees

>such as you, Syamasundara, JM, Mahalaxmi et al. had kept harping on the

>topic, misquoting me and forcing me to defend myself. I *really don't

>care* if the books are footnoted. This issue is not related to my work or

>to my service.

 

You have stated that you wanted to footnote Prabhupada's books on at least

two occasions. First in the brainstorming session and secondly on this

conference just recently (one year after your first statement). You clearly

stated on CHAKRA that you speak your own mind and gave as an example your

advocacy for homosexual unions within the movement. Your statement on

gurukula is currently on the CHAKRA website. The only other statement that I

have attributed to you was your comments on the Deity worship conference

where it was described to me second hand that you advocated a more

compassionate standard in regards to performing marriage at the L.A. Temple.

There may have been some error there but it can easily be checked. You never

took any offense to it at the time of the original writing so am suprised to

hear of your lament presently. Please inform me where I have misquoted you.

Perhaps you are in the habit of making rash statements and then not

remembering them. Unfortunately for you, all of your statements are in

writing.

 

Jivan Mukta is a good friend of mine but we don't share all of the same

opinions. I don't even know who Mahalaxmi is! You cannot reply intelligently

to any of my questions but just throw out innuendo. This is ridiculous. You

never quote sastra and it seems your opinions never agree with them. Your

tendency is to water down the Krishna conscious philosophy and lifestyle

based upon your attachments and indoctrination to mundane liberal ideas.

When you are challenged to defend your assertions you just start screaming.

 

The Krishna conscious movement is about following sastra as enunciated by

its acarya, Srila Prabhupada. It is not a perogative but a right in this

movement to validate one's opinion by quoting him. You can scream all you

want but it is you who are making the comments that have little to no

relevance to the Hare Krsna movement. Maybe in your professional setting

they do but they don't hold much water spiritually.

 

>

>Ys,

>Madhusudani dasi

>ps. and you're still misspelling my name - I just fixed it in the header.

>So much for respect and concern

 

This is just too strange to get into.

[Guest guest]

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

> What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

> have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

> Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

> yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

Speaking about a witchhunt!

I myself am grateful that we still have freedom of speech and thought and

it is nice that some courageous souls like Hare Krishna Prabhu and

Madhusudhani Radha Prabhu dare to stand up for what they are and what they

believe is right. If we close ourselves up in little wrapped up boxes of

opinion and close our eyes to everyone elses view not to speak of attacking

them in a warlike fashion, then how will it protect Srila Prabhupada's

mission? It is supposed to be a flood of mercy not a closed club for the

"advanched".

I am not speaking about footnotes, because what is the point of discussing

anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

 

Your servant Gunamani d.d.

[Guest guest]

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

> What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

> have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

> Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

> yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

Speaking about a witchhunt!

I myself am grateful that we still have freedom of speech and thought and

it is nice that some courageous souls like Hare Krishna Prabhu and

Madhusudhani Radha Prabhu dare to stand up for what they are and what they

believe is right. If we close ourselves up in little wrapped up boxes of

opinion and close our eyes to everyone elses view not to speak of attacking

them in a warlike fashion, then how will it protect Srila Prabhupada's

mission? It is supposed to be a flood of mercy not a closed club for the

"advanched".

I am not speaking about footnotes, because what is the point of discussing

anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

 

Your servant Gunamani d.d.

[Guest guest]

> What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

> > have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

> > Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

> > yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

 

> I am not speaking about footnotes, because what is the point of discussing

> anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

> thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

 

And it was the same Mother Hare Krsna dd who spoke nice words

about Vyapaka, so we could keep the good picture of him in

our vision. So, he is soon already back, to repay her on his

way...

 

Personally, I am starting deleting any text that ends up in

my mail-box, and that has "Vyapaka das" or "Robert Cope"

in the "sender" line. Before even opening them.

 

 

 

ys mnd

[Guest guest]

> What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

> > have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

> > Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

> > yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

 

> I am not speaking about footnotes, because what is the point of discussing

> anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

> thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

 

And it was the same Mother Hare Krsna dd who spoke nice words

about Vyapaka, so we could keep the good picture of him in

our vision. So, he is soon already back, to repay her on his

way...

 

Personally, I am starting deleting any text that ends up in

my mail-box, and that has "Vyapaka das" or "Robert Cope"

in the "sender" line. Before even opening them.

 

 

 

ys mnd

[Guest guest]

"COM: Mahanidhi (das) HKS (Lund - S)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2347666 from COM]

>

> > What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

> > > have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

> > > Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

> > > yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

>

> > I am not speaking about footnotes, because what is the point of discussing

> > anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

> > thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

>

> And it was the same Mother Hare Krsna dd who spoke nice words

> about Vyapaka, so we could keep the good picture of him in

> our vision. So, he is soon already back, to repay her on his

> way...

 

If one offers milk.....

[Guest guest]

"COM: Mahanidhi (das) HKS (Lund - S)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2347666 from COM]

>

> > What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

> > > have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

> > > Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

> > > yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

>

> > I am not speaking about footnotes, because what is the point of discussing

> > anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

> > thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

>

> And it was the same Mother Hare Krsna dd who spoke nice words

> about Vyapaka, so we could keep the good picture of him in

> our vision. So, he is soon already back, to repay her on his

> way...

 

If one offers milk.....

[Guest guest]

>And it was the same Mother Hare Krsna dd who spoke nice words

>about Vyapaka, so we could keep the good picture of him in

>our vision. So, he is soon already back, to repay her on his

>way...

Condemn the sin not the sinner. If she can validate her remarks in regards

to footnoting Prabhupada's books, then I would like to hear them but to date

nothing. My experience with Mother H.D.dasi is that she is a very nice

devotee but she dropped the ball on this one.

>

>Personally, I am starting deleting any text that ends up in

>my mail-box, and that has "Vyapaka das" or "Robert Cope"

>in the "sender" line. Before even opening them.

So I guess you won't see this but I am sorry you feel that way and I

apologize that I have offended you.

[Guest guest]

Vd:>> What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

>> have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

>> Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

>> yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

 

Gunamani dd:

> Speaking about a witchhunt!

> I myself am grateful that we still have freedom of speech and thought and

>it is nice that some courageous souls like Hare Krishna Prabhu and

>Madhusudhani Radha Prabhu dare to stand up for what they are and what they

>believe is right. If we close ourselves up in little wrapped up boxes of

>opinion and close our eyes to everyone elses view not to speak of attacking

>them in a warlike fashion, then how will it protect Srila Prabhupada's

>mission? It is supposed to be a flood of mercy not a closed club for the

>"advanched".

 

Vd.:

Srila Prabhupada's mission is a flood of mercy, so let us not change it. Are

you suggesting that we change everything to make it more palatable to modern

day morality which changes with every generation? Srila Prabhupada's mission

is to re-introduce Krsna consciousness and Krsna consciousness is how he has

passed it on. He has written the lawbooks for the next 10,000 years and they

must be referred to.

 

Everyone has their sastra. Intellectuals constantly cite studies which adds

validity to their opinions. That is what I asked M.Radha to do and she

couldn't. Mother H.K.d.d. is conspicuous by her absence. This is a very

important discussion which was started by their comments in this conference.

I am calling them to defend their words. M.Radha obviously couldn't and

wasn't able to respond intelligently to any of my questions but just threw

out innuendo and emotion. That is what is being reacted to when I asked her

what she was babbling about. Merriam Webster defines babbling as: 1b.: To

utter meaningless or unintelligible sounds. Her comments were an attack

against me by an attempt to associate me with a group of people who I have

no affiliation to on this matter. And even if I did, it does not refute my

many points that were not made in an inflammatory tone. You cannot say that

it was inflammatory just because you don't agree with it.

 

 

 

> I am not speaking about footnotes,

But we are so try to follow the conversation. We are talking about

footnoting Srila Prabhupada's books. It is imperative that we keep

Prabhupada's books intact and establish them as the law books for this age.

Can't you see what is happening only 20 years after his departure? There is

already a movement afoot to change them along the principles of modern

feminist thinking. That was what the exchange with M.Radha was about. She

was hiding behind principles of adademia as the reason to footnote the books

but it seems obvious that the motivation is energized by Prabhupada's

statements regarding women. I called her on this one and she melted and

comes back with she doesn't want to be protected by me. This had absolutely

nothing to do with the context of the conversation. She has not answered any

of my points. If she can do so, then please do so now. The same goes for

Hare Krsna dasi.

 

If we do not follow the principles of sastra, then we are flirting with

demoniac action. Srila Prabhupada states:

The conditioned living entities are divided into two classes in this world.

Those who are born with divine qualities follow a regulated life; that is to

say they abide by the injunctions in scriptures and by the authorities. One

should perform duties in the light of authoritative scripture. This

mentality is called divine. One who does not follow the regulative

principles as they are laid down in the scriptures and who acts according to

his whims is called demoniac or asuric. There is no other criterion but

obedience to the regulative principles of scriptures. It is mentioned in

Vedic literature that both the demigods and the demons are born of the

Prajäpati; the only difference is that one class obeys the Vedic injunctions

and the other does not. (B.G.16.6, purport)

 

>because what is the point of discussing

>anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

>thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

I am sorry that you perceive it in that manner. I don't know which guru the

letters ARD stand for but why don't you ask him if he thinks that Srila

Prabhupada's books be footnoted in the manner discussed above. I will be

interested to hear his thoughts.

[Guest guest]

>And it was the same Mother Hare Krsna dd who spoke nice words

>about Vyapaka, so we could keep the good picture of him in

>our vision. So, he is soon already back, to repay her on his

>way...

Condemn the sin not the sinner. If she can validate her remarks in regards

to footnoting Prabhupada's books, then I would like to hear them but to date

nothing. My experience with Mother H.D.dasi is that she is a very nice

devotee but she dropped the ball on this one.

>

>Personally, I am starting deleting any text that ends up in

>my mail-box, and that has "Vyapaka das" or "Robert Cope"

>in the "sender" line. Before even opening them.

So I guess you won't see this but I am sorry you feel that way and I

apologize that I have offended you.

[Guest guest]

Vd:>> What are you babbling about? I never offered any protection to you and

>> have no desire to do so. My intention is to attempt to protect Srila

>> Prabhupada's books and mission from blatantly misguided devotees such as

>> yourself and Hare Krishna dasi.

 

Gunamani dd:

> Speaking about a witchhunt!

> I myself am grateful that we still have freedom of speech and thought and

>it is nice that some courageous souls like Hare Krishna Prabhu and

>Madhusudhani Radha Prabhu dare to stand up for what they are and what they

>believe is right. If we close ourselves up in little wrapped up boxes of

>opinion and close our eyes to everyone elses view not to speak of attacking

>them in a warlike fashion, then how will it protect Srila Prabhupada's

>mission? It is supposed to be a flood of mercy not a closed club for the

>"advanched".

 

Vd.:

Srila Prabhupada's mission is a flood of mercy, so let us not change it. Are

you suggesting that we change everything to make it more palatable to modern

day morality which changes with every generation? Srila Prabhupada's mission

is to re-introduce Krsna consciousness and Krsna consciousness is how he has

passed it on. He has written the lawbooks for the next 10,000 years and they

must be referred to.

 

Everyone has their sastra. Intellectuals constantly cite studies which adds

validity to their opinions. That is what I asked M.Radha to do and she

couldn't. Mother H.K.d.d. is conspicuous by her absence. This is a very

important discussion which was started by their comments in this conference.

I am calling them to defend their words. M.Radha obviously couldn't and

wasn't able to respond intelligently to any of my questions but just threw

out innuendo and emotion. That is what is being reacted to when I asked her

what she was babbling about. Merriam Webster defines babbling as: 1b.: To

utter meaningless or unintelligible sounds. Her comments were an attack

against me by an attempt to associate me with a group of people who I have

no affiliation to on this matter. And even if I did, it does not refute my

many points that were not made in an inflammatory tone. You cannot say that

it was inflammatory just because you don't agree with it.

 

 

 

> I am not speaking about footnotes,

But we are so try to follow the conversation. We are talking about

footnoting Srila Prabhupada's books. It is imperative that we keep

Prabhupada's books intact and establish them as the law books for this age.

Can't you see what is happening only 20 years after his departure? There is

already a movement afoot to change them along the principles of modern

feminist thinking. That was what the exchange with M.Radha was about. She

was hiding behind principles of adademia as the reason to footnote the books

but it seems obvious that the motivation is energized by Prabhupada's

statements regarding women. I called her on this one and she melted and

comes back with she doesn't want to be protected by me. This had absolutely

nothing to do with the context of the conversation. She has not answered any

of my points. If she can do so, then please do so now. The same goes for

Hare Krsna dasi.

 

If we do not follow the principles of sastra, then we are flirting with

demoniac action. Srila Prabhupada states:

The conditioned living entities are divided into two classes in this world.

Those who are born with divine qualities follow a regulated life; that is to

say they abide by the injunctions in scriptures and by the authorities. One

should perform duties in the light of authoritative scripture. This

mentality is called divine. One who does not follow the regulative

principles as they are laid down in the scriptures and who acts according to

his whims is called demoniac or asuric. There is no other criterion but

obedience to the regulative principles of scriptures. It is mentioned in

Vedic literature that both the demigods and the demons are born of the

Prajäpati; the only difference is that one class obeys the Vedic injunctions

and the other does not. (B.G.16.6, purport)

 

>because what is the point of discussing

>anything at all in such an atmosphere. Your letter is the most saddening

>thing I have ever read on com or anywhere.

I am sorry that you perceive it in that manner. I don't know which guru the

letters ARD stand for but why don't you ask him if he thinks that Srila

Prabhupada's books be footnoted in the manner discussed above. I will be

interested to hear his thoughts.

[Guest guest]

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

> You cannot say that

> it was inflammatory just because you don't agree with it.

I dont know if I agree with it or not.

 

There is a person(dear to Krishna) behind every argument, my ability to

oppress him/her does not prove that I am right.

 

Your servant Gunamani d.d.

[Guest guest]

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

> You cannot say that

> it was inflammatory just because you don't agree with it.

I dont know if I agree with it or not.

 

There is a person(dear to Krishna) behind every argument, my ability to

oppress him/her does not prove that I am right.

 

Your servant Gunamani d.d.

[Guest guest]

On 26 May 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

> If one offers milk.....

>

Now that one wasn't very nice, Ghosh. But it is what I have come to expect

from you. I can see that you won't like anyone quoting scripture.

[Guest guest]

On 26 May 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

> If one offers milk.....

>

Now that one wasn't very nice, Ghosh. But it is what I have come to expect

from you. I can see that you won't like anyone quoting scripture.

[Guest guest]

At 5:53 -0800 5/26/99, Robert Cope wrote:

>Everyone has their sastra. Intellectuals constantly cite studies which adds

>validity to their opinions. That is what I asked M.Radha to do and she

>couldn't.

 

Don't try to bully me into playing your games. We're not 9 year olds on

the elementary school playground. I've already explained why I

participated in the first brainstorm, I told numerous devotees that my VAST

texts were simply suggestions for how to deal with a difficult situation

encountered by devotees who do academic preaching (not *my* field), that my

defense following the VAST leak was not a part of the brainstorm, and that

it really doesn't matter one way or another to my service or life whether

or not footnotes are inserted into Prabhupada's books.

 

I'm not getting into any debate about whether it is ever justified to add

footnotes to Prabhupada's books. That doesn't mean that I can't. It's just

not a burning issue to me and many other issues facing ISKCON right now

are. I have to focus my energy. WHy don't you go and debate this with

someone who cares.

 

You can call me any names you want. That won't change anything. Just

don't try to pretend you're doing this out of concern for me. That's

nonsense. You want to discredit me plain and simple.

 

Yours in the service of ISKCON's abused women and children,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 5:53 -0800 5/26/99, Robert Cope wrote:

>Everyone has their sastra. Intellectuals constantly cite studies which adds

>validity to their opinions. That is what I asked M.Radha to do and she

>couldn't.

 

Don't try to bully me into playing your games. We're not 9 year olds on

the elementary school playground. I've already explained why I

participated in the first brainstorm, I told numerous devotees that my VAST

texts were simply suggestions for how to deal with a difficult situation

encountered by devotees who do academic preaching (not *my* field), that my

defense following the VAST leak was not a part of the brainstorm, and that

it really doesn't matter one way or another to my service or life whether

or not footnotes are inserted into Prabhupada's books.

 

I'm not getting into any debate about whether it is ever justified to add

footnotes to Prabhupada's books. That doesn't mean that I can't. It's just

not a burning issue to me and many other issues facing ISKCON right now

are. I have to focus my energy. WHy don't you go and debate this with

someone who cares.

 

You can call me any names you want. That won't change anything. Just

don't try to pretend you're doing this out of concern for me. That's

nonsense. You want to discredit me plain and simple.

 

Yours in the service of ISKCON's abused women and children,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

> >Personally, I am starting deleting any text that ends up in

> >my mail-box, and that has "Vyapaka das" or "Robert Cope"

> >in the "sender" line. Before even opening them.

> So I guess you won't see this but I am sorry you feel that way and I

> apologize that I have offended you.

 

I have just happened to look in anyway.

 

You in now way got the reason to apologize to _me_ for

"offending" _me_. You know that well, don't you?

 

All what I see coming from you is the attacks on persons, in

order to discredit them. On me it does not make any significant

impact wether you got a short hear or not. What you write here is

what makes impression on me. Just think about it, that even

such gross person like me, who likes to get nasty, that even

I got enough of reading your "discussions".

 

I am not intending to enter some argument. Just telling you

what's on my mind.

 

 

 

ys mnd

[Guest guest]

> >Personally, I am starting deleting any text that ends up in

> >my mail-box, and that has "Vyapaka das" or "Robert Cope"

> >in the "sender" line. Before even opening them.

> So I guess you won't see this but I am sorry you feel that way and I

> apologize that I have offended you.

 

I have just happened to look in anyway.

 

You in now way got the reason to apologize to _me_ for

"offending" _me_. You know that well, don't you?

 

All what I see coming from you is the attacks on persons, in

order to discredit them. On me it does not make any significant

impact wether you got a short hear or not. What you write here is

what makes impression on me. Just think about it, that even

such gross person like me, who likes to get nasty, that even

I got enough of reading your "discussions".

 

I am not intending to enter some argument. Just telling you

what's on my mind.

 

 

 

ys mnd

[Guest guest]

"WWW: Vyapaka (Dasa) ACBSP (Montreal - CAN)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2348890 from COM]

>

> On 26 May 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

>

> > If one offers milk.....

> >

> Now that one wasn't very nice, Ghosh. But it is what I have come to expect

> from you. I can see that you won't like anyone quoting scripture.

 

The universe is like a mirror. You have been in attack, nasty mode, so don't

be surprised if someone reciprocates in like manner. I believe the concept

involved is called karma. You launched into personal attacks on several

devotees here, looking for a fight. Sometimes you can't get what you want..

Mother Hare Krsna dasi originally stuck up for you, giving you the benefit of

the doubt when it seemed you were being nasty. then a discussion comes up and

you immmediately make the worst possible connotation on and attack her for a

position only you percieve her as having, rather than thoughtfully

considering.

 

Does seem like a pattern with you, to draw the worst possible conclusion from

any situation and then attack. As for me not being nice, you are right, my

bnatural tendency is to be not nice. That is why I still need the association

of Srila Prabhupada through his books so someday I might learn how to deal

with others. For instance, how do we deal with guests when they are alittle

demanding and difficult?

 

Guest (9): (Hindi) Somebody comes to my place...

Prabhupada: So you should ask, "What can I offer you?"

Guest (9): ...say, "A cup of tea will do." Then?

Prabhupada: That's all right.

Guest (9): We cannot give him cup of tea.

Prabhupada: No, you cannot give, that "I have no tea. You take milk."

(laughter)

Guest (8): No tea, now. Why do you keep that tea in the house?

Prabhupada: But if you offer milk or little sherbet, nobody will

deny it. Even if he's a tea drinker, he cannot deny taking a little sherbet or

little milk or a sandesa or some sweetmeat or... What is that? You want to

offer him something. So offer him... There are so many things. Why that

particular tea should be offered. Is it very nice preparation?

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973,

London

 

Now, I know it's not nice to offer tea drinkers what they don't want, but

what to do?

[Guest guest]

"WWW: Vyapaka (Dasa) ACBSP (Montreal - CAN)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2348890 from COM]

>

> On 26 May 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

>

> > If one offers milk.....

> >

> Now that one wasn't very nice, Ghosh. But it is what I have come to expect

> from you. I can see that you won't like anyone quoting scripture.

 

The universe is like a mirror. You have been in attack, nasty mode, so don't

be surprised if someone reciprocates in like manner. I believe the concept

involved is called karma. You launched into personal attacks on several

devotees here, looking for a fight. Sometimes you can't get what you want..

Mother Hare Krsna dasi originally stuck up for you, giving you the benefit of

the doubt when it seemed you were being nasty. then a discussion comes up and

you immmediately make the worst possible connotation on and attack her for a

position only you percieve her as having, rather than thoughtfully

considering.

 

Does seem like a pattern with you, to draw the worst possible conclusion from

any situation and then attack. As for me not being nice, you are right, my

bnatural tendency is to be not nice. That is why I still need the association

of Srila Prabhupada through his books so someday I might learn how to deal

with others. For instance, how do we deal with guests when they are alittle

demanding and difficult?

 

Guest (9): (Hindi) Somebody comes to my place...

Prabhupada: So you should ask, "What can I offer you?"

Guest (9): ...say, "A cup of tea will do." Then?

Prabhupada: That's all right.

Guest (9): We cannot give him cup of tea.

Prabhupada: No, you cannot give, that "I have no tea. You take milk."

(laughter)

Guest (8): No tea, now. Why do you keep that tea in the house?

Prabhupada: But if you offer milk or little sherbet, nobody will

deny it. Even if he's a tea drinker, he cannot deny taking a little sherbet or

little milk or a sandesa or some sweetmeat or... What is that? You want to

offer him something. So offer him... There are so many things. Why that

particular tea should be offered. Is it very nice preparation?

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- July 11, 1973,

London

 

Now, I know it's not nice to offer tea drinkers what they don't want, but

what to do?

[Guest guest]

I second Gunamani on this one. It is very disturbing to read this kind of

letters. Dear Vyapaka Prabhu, could you please have a little bit more

friendly tone in your discussions?

Ys. Sraddha dd