Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Hi all if any one tell me about the kaal sarpa yoga (full and partial) and also the consequences because there is allot of confusion regarding this regards mrityunjay Mrityunjay kumar pathak just a look on this!!!!!!!!!!!! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Mrtyunjay, There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy and the planet(s) they conjoin. If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example, don't you think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Name:" mrityunjay pathajk I myself is kaal sarpi date of birth 14-july-1979 time 17:10 place DEORIA(INDIA) please have a look Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Mrtyunjay, There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy and the planet(s) they conjoin. If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example, don't you think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Mrityunjay, I'm sending a bit about this as I have just been reading of it in "RAhu and Ketu, (Moon's Nodes) in Predictive Astrology," by Manik Chand Jain. Wendy will be able to give you more perhaps, but she is also away from the computer now over the weekend. As both you and Wendy have said, there is a lot of confusion regarding this. This author has written, "Different scholars have given different versions as to the formation of this Kalasarpa Yoga. We have come to the following conclusions after our research and experiments." He then lists the following: 1. The planets should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu and not in between Ketu and Rahu. 2. From the ascendant, Rahu must be in the first six houses and Ketu in the remaining houses. 3. Kalasarpa Yoga is saved, if at least one planet is outside the Rahu/Ketu axis. 4. There is no Kalasarpa Yoga if there is any planet with Rahu or Ketu though it may be between Rahu and Ketu axis. For example, if Rahu is 15 degrees Libra and Moon is 28 degrees Libra in chart, there is no Kalasarpa Yoga as these two planets fall in the same sign. Similarly, if Ketu is 23 degrees Sagittarius and Saturn is 11 degrees Sagittarius, there is no yoga present. Yoga present by the combination of Rahu or Ketu with a planet will operate independently. Given the above, Mrityunjay, you do not have this yoga in your chart. (PL gives a couple of Deoria's listed. I'm using 79E56, 28N23. This gives early minutes into Sagittarius Lagna.) I have heard many times before these rules, # 3 and # 4 above, and in your chart Saturn is outside the axis at 17 degrees with Rahu at 16 degrees. If we follow these rules above, you do not qualify for this for many reasons. How do you think this has an affect on you? Separately from the Kalasarpa Yoga, which you do not have, do you feel you are 'caught between two things or being pulled in two different directions?' I am asking for my own study and to see what is your experience, completely separate from the Kalasarpa Yoga, but just due to the placements of your planets. As this happens on the 3/9 axis, what can you say about any issues you might note concerning those houses? For instance, what is your experience with siblings? As your lagna is also in Ketu star and Ketu sub, this Ketu in 3 house should indicate things of importance in your life. Ketu himself is in Saturn's star who is conjoined closely with Rahu in 9H, so again we're brought back to this axis. Also the nodes are vargottam in Navamsa chart, this time though in 5th and 11th houses, which is also their placements if considering the zodiac's natural houses in your Rasi chart as well, Leo and Aquarius. Your chart is interesting also in that you have a number of planets close by degree. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of mrityunjay pathak Friday, May 19, 2006 8:25 AM jyotish-vidya Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Name:" mrityunjay pathajk I myself is kaal sarpi date of birth 14-july-1979 time 17:10 place DEORIA(INDIA) please have a look Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Mrtyunjay, There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy and the planet(s) they conjoin. If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example, don't you think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy > Terms of Service. _____ Astrology chart Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Mrityunjay, Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'. You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even before they achieved political success. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Patrice, Sorry, wasn't contradicting you...pressed the 'send' button before I read your mail. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Patrice, //Wendy will be able to give you more perhaps, but she is also away from the computer now over the weekend.// Yes, I will be away from the computer Saturday and Sunday, but still Friday night here and I'm STILL playing catch-up with outstanding (off-list) mails. Time now though to call-it-a-day and 'switch off'...'till Monday :-)) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Hi Dear Wendy and Mrityunjay, Great that you are still here Wendy ;-) Have a great weekend! Thanks for giving these two examples of actual Kalasarpa Yogas. Interesting in light of what the author has written further in this book: ".we have seen the persons having such Kalasarpa Yogas in their charts having risen to high positions. Whether they could hold the position or not, is a different story. We can say with confidence that the persons born with Kalasarpa Yoga do come in prominence. It may perhaps be argued that greatness manifested in such cases may be due to some other benefic yogas and not because of Kalasarpa Yoga.." Mrityunjay, I'm just sharing what this book says and don't have experience myself with this. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Friday, May 19, 2006 10:01 AM jyotish-vidya Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Patrice, Sorry, wasn't contradicting you...pressed the 'send' button before I read your mail. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy > Terms of Service. _____ Astrology chart Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Hi Dear Wendy and List, If you’re still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I’ve done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I’ve found shows: October 13, 1925, Grantham, England. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM jyotish-vidya Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Mrityunjay, Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'. You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even before they achieved political success. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy > Terms of Service. _____ Astrology chart Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Patrice, Still here :-) The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is: 13 Oct. 1925 (09:00) Grantham, England. I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives the same data: Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 hi Wendy and Patrice According to me there are some parmnent problem may be it is physical or in terms of achieving the goals. i read some indian literature (HORA SHASTRA ) reagrding this and find that this a big DOSHA in some one's life As you said that KSY is only when planet should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu but may be than they contribute some positive energy in your life on the other hand if in between KETU and RAHU , they have some worst effect Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Hi Dear Wendy and List, If you’re still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I’ve done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I’ve found shows: October 13, 1925, Grantham, England. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM jyotish-vidya Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Mrityunjay, Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'. You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even before they achieved political success. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 i m sending my exact details Name: Mrityunjay Date of Birth: 14-07-1979 Time of Birth: 17 : 10 Place of Birth: Deoria Country: India Latitude: 26° 31' N Longitude: 83° 48' E i m attaching my chart also Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Hi Dear Wendy and List, If you’re still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I’ve done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I’ve found shows: October 13, 1925, Grantham, England. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM jyotish-vidya Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Mrityunjay, Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not have it as Saturn is outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the degree of Rahu 01°02'. You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, the so-called "Iron Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both have all their planets positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they NOT lead difficult lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives have been extremely successful...poverty is something that's been foreign to both of them even before they achieved political success. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of "Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else. Regards, Krishna --- mrityunjay pathak <mrityu_kec > wrote: > i m sending my exact details > > Name: Mrityunjay Date of Birth: > 14-07-1979 Time of Birth: 17 : 10 > Place of Birth: Deoria Country: India > Latitude: 26° 31' N Longitude: 83° > 48' E > > > i m attaching my chart also > > Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Dear Wendy and List, > > > > If you’re still on here, do you have a time for > Margaret Thatcher? I’ve > done a search of the Internet, but have not come up > with a time. Data I’ve > found shows: > > October 13, 1925, Grantham, England. > > > > Best wishes, > > Patrice > > _____ > > jyotish-vidya > [jyotish-vidya] > On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek > Friday, May 19, 2006 9:55 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA > yog > > > > Dear Mrityunjay, > > Even if this KSY was a valid dosha, you would not > have it as Saturn is > outside this (supposed) yoga...having passed the > degree of Rahu 01°02'. > > You might consider the fact that Margaret Thatcher, > the so-called "Iron > Lady" of British politics, and George W. Bush both > have all their planets > positioned between Rahu and Ketu. Not only have they > NOT lead difficult > lives, full of all kinds of miseries, their lives > have been extremely > successful...poverty is something that's been > foreign to both of them even > before they achieved political success. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > > Terms of > Service. > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal > reading > > > > > > Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. > > === message truncated === Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Mrityunjay, Thanks for sending this. Just to verify: PL gives this then as Deoria (UP) Uttar Pradesh. In my ignorance I don’t know why some cities are listed with a state in India, but not others, but I see that you are giving the coordinates of Deoria in UP. Can you verify this to be accurate as your birth place as this makes a large difference in the degrees of your ascendant, versus the one I used yesterday, listed in PL as just Deoria. Also PL is listing this as 26N31, 83E47, versus the 83E48 you have written below. Just checking to be certain what is correct and if your reason for having a different E coordinate is that you have information regarding your exact location in the city - as your reason for having the 48 instead of 47.. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of mrityunjay pathak Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:49 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog i m sending my exact details Name: Mrityunjay Date of Birth: 14-07-1979 Time of Birth: 17 : 10 Place of Birth: Deoria Country: India Latitude: 26° 31' N Longitude: 83° 48' E i m attaching my chart also _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Mrityunjay and List, I have in the past seen this other way, between Keta and Rahu, versus Rahu and Ketu, listed and read about it. It is given a different name which at the moment I don't remember. Do you or perhaps someone else on list have the name of this so I can read about it again? Also, I don't remember if what I'd read gave this as somewhat a better or a worse situation from the classic KSY. I've looked online via KSY and the articles I've found are not giving any information on this. Either way Mrityunjay, technically from what we listed yesterday, you wouldn't qualify for this exact Yoga due to Saturn being outside the nodes by degree. However, as your Saturn is so close by degree to this Rahu and all other planets contained I'm sure your planets placed in this way would be something we should look at for you. Also, a lot of attention is paid to the planet which is the one outside, or saving the KSY, which to me makes a lot of sense. Again, yours being Saturn. I will write more once I'm able to find the name and read of the other Yoga given for the direction of this in your chart. I see that you have suffered this from what you've written below and you feel it to be this Yoga. I just want to collect all the information first to be sure to look at the chart wholistically and see what other things are going on in your chart and perhaps contributing to your experiences. Also as said earlier, there is so much confusion regarding this Yoga, but it would be worthwhile to check this out and see what are your actual experiences. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of mrityunjay pathak Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:37 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog hi Wendy and Patrice According to me there are some parmnent problem may be it is physical or in terms of achieving the goals. i read some indian literature (HORA SHASTRA ) reagrding this and find that this a big DOSHA in some one's life As you said that KSY is only when planet should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu but may be than they contribute some positive energy in your life on the other hand if in between KETU and RAHU , they have some worst effect Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Krishna, Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and easy access to all my books.) Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of "Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else. Regards, Krishna _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Krishna and Mrityunjay, I have located the book - Raman does speak of the opposite direction with Ketu at the front of this, but doesn't give this a different name. He also states as important factors to note: that in this Yoga, it is intensified if the Lagna is included between Rahu and Ketu, and that the yoga can be considered as defunct even if a single planet is with Rahu or Ketu, or outside the axis. He uses an example in this book where it is a situation of all planets included, and Ketu in front, and states this is not really strong due to this Ketu-Rahu axis and Lagna is not included. Raman is offering this information, as you said Krishna, in the Appendix versus in the main text. He also says these are ".his observations in light of my own humble experience." Raman offers that KSY has its bright shades. And that Rahu-Ketu axis favous rise in mundane life while Ketu-Rahu axis indicates elevation in spiritual matters. His final words on this are: "The overall assessment of the horoscope is important. No single yoga, including KSY, is capable of marring or making a horoscope. In our view Kalasarpa Yoga plays an important role in mundane astrology and is not of much importance in individual charts." Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Patrice Curry Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:57 PM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Krishna, Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and easy access to all my books.) Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of "Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else. Regards, Krishna _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Dear Patrice, Mrityunjay and Krishna I have Raman's book on "300 Combinations" but I am at a lost to find anything on this yoga. And, unfortunately, I can't seem to find my first Volume of his "How to Judge a Horoscope". In the meantime, I do have Charak's book on "Yogas in Astrology", but he does not cover this yoga. However, Ernst Wilhem's book "Core Yogas" does and also discusses Rahu and Ketu's relationship along with his reference to his "Vault of the Heavens" book on Rahu and Ketu and their activity and placement in a chart. It is late here and I have marked these passages so I can study them tomorrow and report here his detail findings. If anyone else has these two books you may want to research here also. Just a note to you and the group to let you know, Ernst Welhem does go into this yoga and the Rahu Ketu relationship. Til tomorrow, As Always, Uttara Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Krishna and Mrityunjay, I have located the book - Raman does speak of the opposite direction with Ketu at the front of this, but doesn't give this a different name. He also states as important factors to note: that in this Yoga, it is intensified if the Lagna is included between Rahu and Ketu, and that the yoga can be considered as defunct even if a single planet is with Rahu or Ketu, or outside the axis. He uses an example in this book where it is a situation of all planets included, and Ketu in front, and states this is not really strong due to this Ketu-Rahu axis and Lagna is not included. Raman is offering this information, as you said Krishna, in the Appendix versus in the main text. He also says these are ".his observations in light of my own humble experience." Raman offers that KSY has its bright shades. And that Rahu-Ketu axis favous rise in mundane life while Ketu-Rahu axis indicates elevation in spiritual matters. His final words on this are: "The overall assessment of the horoscope is important. No single yoga, including KSY, is capable of marring or making a horoscope. In our view Kalasarpa Yoga plays an important role in mundane astrology and is not of much importance in individual charts." Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Patrice Curry Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:57 PM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Krishna, Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and easy access to all my books.) Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of "Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else. Regards, Krishna _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Dear Uttara, Raman has this in Appendix 1, 'A Note On Kala Sarpa Yoga' in the back of the book. - I didn't see it at first either, but found it after looking again at Krishna's note that it was in Appendix 1. This must be Raman's way of showing that this Yoga does not find a place in the classical astrological literature, and yet is a Yoga that is discussed in current times. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Uttara Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:23 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Patrice, Mrityunjay and Krishna I have Raman's book on "300 Combinations" but I am at a lost to find anything on this yoga. And, unfortunately, I can't seem to find my first Volume of his "How to Judge a Horoscope". In the meantime, I do have Charak's book on "Yogas in Astrology", but he does not cover this yoga. However, Ernst Wilhem's book "Core Yogas" does and also discusses Rahu and Ketu's relationship along with his reference to his "Vault of the Heavens" book on Rahu and Ketu and their activity and placement in a chart. It is late here and I have marked these passages so I can study them tomorrow and report here his detail findings. If anyone else has these two books you may want to research here also. Just a note to you and the group to let you know, Ernst Welhem does go into this yoga and the Rahu Ketu relationship. Til tomorrow, As Always, Uttara _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Thanks, Patrice. As Always, Uttara Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Uttara, Raman has this in Appendix 1, 'A Note On Kala Sarpa Yoga' in the back of the book. - I didn't see it at first either, but found it after looking again at Krishna's note that it was in Appendix 1. This must be Raman's way of showing that this Yoga does not find a place in the classical astrological literature, and yet is a Yoga that is discussed in current times. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Uttara Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:23 AM jyotish-vidya RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Patrice, Mrityunjay and Krishna I have Raman's book on "300 Combinations" but I am at a lost to find anything on this yoga. And, unfortunately, I can't seem to find my first Volume of his "How to Judge a Horoscope". In the meantime, I do have Charak's book on "Yogas in Astrology", but he does not cover this yoga. However, Ernst Wilhem's book "Core Yogas" does and also discusses Rahu and Ketu's relationship along with his reference to his "Vault of the Heavens" book on Rahu and Ketu and their activity and placement in a chart. It is late here and I have marked these passages so I can study them tomorrow and report here his detail findings. If anyone else has these two books you may want to research here also. Just a note to you and the group to let you know, Ernst Welhem does go into this yoga and the Rahu Ketu relationship. Til tomorrow, As Always, Uttara _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Dear Patrice, I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its variant, the Kala Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which runs to about 6 to 7 pages. If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that forwarded to the list so that everyone can have the benefit of studying same. David Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Dear David, I would like to look at it. If you don't send it to the list, please send it to me alone. Regards, Krishna --- David Andrews <andrews635 > wrote: > Dear Patrice, > I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi > about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its variant, the Kala > Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which > runs to about 6 to 7 pages. > If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that > forwarded to the list so that everyone can have the > benefit of studying same. > > David > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at > 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Dear David, You can upload the article in the 'files' section if you wish. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - David Andrews jyotish-vidya Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:03 PM RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog Dear Patrice, I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its variant, the Kala Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which runs to about 6 to 7 pages. If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that forwarded to the list so that everyone can have the benefit of studying same. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Dear Mrityunjay, //Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life// What makes you think your experience is due to KSY? The problem with focusing on these (popularist) yogas is that we can lose sight of the effects of dasa lords as they're manifesting in our lives. Please note your dasa lord Mercury in 8th house. 10th lord Mercury, in sign of great enemy in 8th, is also inimicably disposed to lagna lord Jupiter...great enemy of Jupiter! Emphasise should be given to the operating dasas/transits rather than to these yogas that have been popularised in books of modern authors. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - mrityunjay pathak jyotish-vidya Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:37 PM RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog hi Wendy and Patrice According to me there are some parmnent problem may be it is physical or in terms of achieving the goals. i read some indian literature (HORA SHASTRA ) reagrding this and find that this a big DOSHA in some one's life As you said that KSY is only when planet should be hemmed in between Rahu and Ketu but may be than they contribute some positive energy in your life on the other hand if in between KETU and RAHU , they have some worst effect Please clerify the same as i had experienced it in my life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Dear Wendy ji, Here's the article and you may have it loaded into the files section as I do not have the know how to have it done. David Shri. David: I thought I will include an article written by me and published in EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes. "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships, struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence, wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam, Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc .., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well-known astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised! This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu - Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either case, it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu and Rahu). Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) Jul 29,1883 Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * * * *MA 20:55 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * *ME 13:18 * * * *SU 13:48 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa Chart ********************************************************* * * * JU * MO * * * * SA * VE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * RA * * AS * * * * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * SU * ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu-Rahu axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other afflictions - such as 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and , 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th house gave a deep fall. The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own trusted colleagues. This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!) There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!). 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. Sir.C.V.RAMAN Nov 7,1888 Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * *RA 01:24 * * * *SA 27:32 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** *KE 01:24 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * * * *SU 22:42 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa chart: ********************************************************* * SA * SU * MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * VE * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * MER * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * JU * * AS * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope .. However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign) and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his personality is not so well known. "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox view" -SIR CV RAMAN This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, occultists and those engaged in research. CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life if they are to be accepted by others. Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious control of these individuals for better or for worse." 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