Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! - An exercise.

January 7, 2006

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Kartheek,

Namaste

For a bit of fun.

\\\\Aries

Fire sign. It is the first sign of the zodiac and therefore suggests a

pioneering spirit. The 5th and 9th is also fire signs and therefore, he/she

may have headlong issues with his own ego and father. Will have strong

powers of perception coupled with artistic flair. Is ably equipped with good

intellect, will power and is versatile. Most likely to be the humanitarian,

so do not be surprised if animals take a natural attachment to the person.

An extrovert, his outlook towards life is faced with a lot of vim. But he

can be rather restless and more than likely will have a strange combination

of conservative and yet progressive traits. Though impulsive, the person has

a natural talent for order and organization.

Kendras and the trikonas are perfectly balanced, the person combines

initiative with the ability to relax and there is a lot of give and take.

The person enjoys foods of all varieties, preferring to stay with foods that

are organic. He can also make a good listener provided it is a subject of

interest. His partner is possibly more provocative then he is and with a

temperament that befits the explosive bonfire night. Both can be rather

stubborn, adhering to what they believe are a set to tenets laid out by

their mothers.

The 3rd house being a dual sign and airy in nature can make the person

change professions drastically etc. or be good in two jobs at once. Or

perhaps even study many subjects of interest. The younger co-born can be

very close and yet detached at the same time while subjects of interest can

be worlds apart where older siblings are concerned. More than likely, the

older sibling will be alienated from them or will face a lot of hiccups in

their lives.

Mother's love and her mentorship is paramount. More than likely he is

Mother's favourite child and when married, will also be endeared by his

mother-in-law. Will most probably own a large house where he can house

everyone he loves. You can always rely on his shoulder to cry one and to

voice out your woes etc., etc.

Rest...............

Love,

Swee

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of kartheek_v2000

Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:10 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! - An

exercise.

Aries LAGNA

Aries lagna topic without planets and bhavas is like discussing

Mahabharat without any charecters.

wonder how you do it

Kartheek

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh ji

>

> If i am allowed to intervene.

> The name of this whole exercise,is ''predict with Lagna alone''.I

feel the purpose is to study the effects of various rashis coming as

Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is understood in relation

with the nature of other rashis taking the role of remaining

11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra parameters.We

are not even considering planetary placements at this stage.It may be

worth listening to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.

> Regarding vargas kindly study shadbalas.Please see where bhavas are

taken for finding digbala,bhava ala etc.

>

> Kind regds

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> >

> > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> > It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L. Also A3

placement

> > w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling. How

are the

> > corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd

sign and

> > sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3 may

also give

> > some clue.

> > Best Wishes,

> > Ramesh

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna

alone!!! - An

> > exercise.

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt

Aries Lagna?

> > The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but the

person,

> > though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is jealous of

her(!). I

> > mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship. Can I

conclude it

> > is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey of

Mars? Two

> > other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not much

attached to

> > their co-borns.

> >

> > If I am wrong pls correct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" sreelid

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > > You said:

> > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

vedic

> > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > charts

> > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> > navamsha

> > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value.

If

> > > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

> > But

> > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever

> > you

> > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART.

And

> > the

> > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is

understanding

> > the

> > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

fundamentals.

> > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> > balas,

> > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

with

> > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

confusion.

> > > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those

various

> > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that

let

> > us

> > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

> > Instead

> > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also

just

> > a

> > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to

the

> > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

> > going

> > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

> > answer

> > > some more questions.

> > > You said:

> > > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

not

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > charts,

> > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics

> > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > contradictory.

> > > ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> > whatever

> > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

objective

> > of

> > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to

the

> > > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is

NOT

> > > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

> > which

> > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no

balas,

> > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

> > about

> > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system

of

> > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!!

NOT a

> > > new system!!

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > You said:

> > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

one

> > can

> > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

case.

> > > I can understand you. But there may be others who can

really

> > > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. .

Understanding

> > the

> > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once

> > the

> > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent,

then it

> > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > > You said:

> > > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

whatever

> > > > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them are by

default

> > > > present and not something going to happen in future (like

boldness,

> > > > being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > That means you never read that mail with attention.

Considering

> > my

> > > first mail, I said that:

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > 2) He will have a good wife

> > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > responsibilities at home.

> > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

> > age.

> > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How many of

them

> > > are the default present and not something going

> > to

> > > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25)

comes

> > to

> > > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it

not

> > > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now

if

> > you

> > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

> > attack

> > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > alone.

> > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

> > trying

> > > to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from

the

> > > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact

that

> > you

> > > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise. But

feel free,

> > > and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there may be

others

> > > who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. . My

regards to

> > > your efforts to understand this basic issue

> > of

> > > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> > >

> > > Dear Maniv,

> > > you said

> > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

analysis

> > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

reference

> > to

> > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

practice!!! It

> > IS

> > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a

new

> > feat

> > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to

learn

> > > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the

Natal

> > > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

speaking

> > > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> > > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with

that

> > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

> > since

> > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

> > >

> > > Dear RNU,

> > > You asked:

> > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

> > all

> > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic

layout.

> > All

> > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction

is

> > > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas

etc.

> > But

> > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

> > apply

> > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding

the

> > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > >

> > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,

> > since

> > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR

ji,

> > > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why

you

> > are

> > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel

sad

> > > because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e.

Ar

> > Asc,

> > > and is going to the side tracks.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "renunw" renunw

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > > >

> > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

> > all

> > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > > >

> > > > please explain.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > RNW

> > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> > maniv1321

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

analysis

> > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

reference

> > to

> > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If

it

> > is

> > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

one

> > can

> > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

case.

> > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most

of

> > > them

> > > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

future

> > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > alone.

> > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friend vinkum

> > > >

> > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> > whatever

> > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

objective

> > of

> > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various

ways

> > of

> > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

> > tarot

> > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

therapists,

> > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions

and

> > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

medicine

> > too,

> > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

homeopathy,

> > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks.

we

> > all

> > > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another.

off

> > late

> > > > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer

to do

> > > > some value addition in his services and give value for his

> > money.

> > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days

even

> > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember

a

> > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

displayed

> > at

> > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > vinkum111

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> > balas,

> > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

> > with

> > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> > confusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinkum

> > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friend

> > > >

> > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

vedic

> > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > charts

> > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> > navamsha

> > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

> > which

> > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking

only to

> > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > > >

> > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

not

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > charts,

> > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics

> > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

> > that

> > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

> > pain

> > > > or suffering.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

sreelid

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna

is

> > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others

states

> > > > the

> > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

applicable

> > to

> > > > all

> > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is

right

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself

is

> > the

> > > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

sign+house

> > > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign.

Moon

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

> > (even

> > > > if

> > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > > > several

> > > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the

characteristics of

> > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > > > nothing!!! So

> > > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > > > predictions!!!

> > > > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

> > Lagna

> > > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > > > prediction,

> > > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

> > Vargas

> > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna

is

> > > > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore

when

> > we

> > > > are

> > > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

bhava

> > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting

with

> > Ar

> > > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > > > placed in

> > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

> > (The

> > > > same

> > > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of

Su

> > in

> > > > Ar.

> > > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying

to

> > > > start

> > > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying

to

> > > > populate

> > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > > > them!!!

> > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

> > combination

> > > > in

> > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that

individual,

> > > > which is

> > > > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and

trying to

> > > > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

> > squared

> > > > to

> > > > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

> > useless

> > > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> > interested

> > > > is

> > > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > related

> > > > to

> > > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

predict

> > > > the

> > > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't

send

> > any

> > > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

> > after

> > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

answer

> > > > such

> > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent.

So my

> > > > gurugi

> > > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on

the

> > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

> > sign,

> > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will

have

> > > > more

> > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The

shape

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> > instrument.

> > > > So I

> > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the

other

> > is a

> > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

and

> > > > there

> > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > > > younger

> > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as

well.

> > > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers

and

> > > > sisters

> > > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please

come

> > > > forward

> > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic

and

> > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to

make

> > > > such

> > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > > > correct or

> > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

> > you

> > > > to

> > > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > > > joyfully

> > > > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love, Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me

ask

> > one

> > > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

> > (moon

> > > > > sign)?

> > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star)

and

> > 99%

> > > > of

> > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people,

is

> > > > true in

> > > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would

like

> > to

> > > > add,

> > > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4. Bold and

> > > > > > courageous.

> > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!) 6.

(Never

> > > > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short

lived).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > sreelid

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

Exaltation

> > &

> > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except

the

> > > > natal

> > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> > prediction

> > > > is

> > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

Forget

> > > > the D-

> > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

the

> > > > Legna

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important

to us

> > > > (in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

newer

> > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

described

> > > > below,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

> > they

> > > > made

> > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> > understanding

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of

(Sign,

> > > > Houses,

> > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > > > participating

> > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

> > would

> > > > stop

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

sh!!!! I

> > > > plan

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes. Let

us start

> > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

> > food,

> > > > will

> > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

> > group,

> > > > will

> > > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

> > lower

> > > > part

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to

the

> > > > upper

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc

etc Lord

> > > > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive, would

like

> > > > > > > weapons and

> > > > fights,

> > > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one

whom

> > he

> > > > > love,

> > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

brothers

> > > > and

> > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> > quality,

> > > > love

> > > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

> > 10th,

> > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

job.

> > But

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

job

> > > > will be

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

never

> > > > got a

> > > > > > job

> > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

> > deserved

> > > > a

> > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

either

> > in

> > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

Supervisor,

> > > > Driver,

> > > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would

be

> > many

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

> > family

> > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> > especially

> > > > in

> > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

mother

> > will

> > > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

and

> > > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

> > (Money)

> > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

him,

> > as

> > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting

from

> > > > Legna).

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

> > (lagna

> > > > > > lord)

> > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha.

It is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th.

He

> > will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

Legna.

> > He

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as

indicated

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the

12th

> > > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

the

> > > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

> > After

> > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married

life

> > as

> > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > > > predictions

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is

Ar

> > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion

on

> > Ar

> > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

> > only)

> > > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

> > single

> > > > Asc

> > > > > > (Ar

> > > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

> > would

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such

prediction

> > was

> > > > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

such

> > > > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > > > argument is

> > > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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January 7, 2006

Om Nama Shivaya:

Dear Shri. Swee Chan:

Your delineation may be on a humorous tone, but it has weighty

material in it. In Astrology if you use your creativity along with

logic, wonderful and sometimes astounding predictions can be made.

Your post is an example for that.

Now Shrinadhji and other members:

I am giving hints to analyze further. I am just setting the view

points for analysis and you have to analyze it and enlighten the other

seekers.

Try to analyze the native's house aspects (location of the house,

direction of the city/ province which will prove lucky for residence)

using first principles.

Try to analyze the native's attitude towards money (2nd house

significations); how will he gain money? Attitudes towards debts?.....

Courage of the native: (note that the 3rd house lord is exalted in 6th

house- the house of enemies).

Health problems that are probable (2nd lord Venus which is a

significator of eye sight, and venus itself signifies eyes get

debilitated in 6th house- the house of diseases to begin with...

kindly use other significations also)

Poorva punya: How is it likely to operate in the life of the

individual - (5th lord Sun is exalted in lagna and debilitated in 7th

house. Kindly analyze the significations that could be drawn from

this). The same can be used to analyze the native's common sense and

intelligence.

Likely injuries: (8th house significations)

Friendship: (11th house aspects.... 11th lord is debilitated in lagna

while it is exalted in 7th house..... significations of this....)

I have just given a few hints as fodder so that Shrinadhji and other

members can apply their logic and intuition along these lines to

analyze it in depth for the benefit of everyone here.

Blessed be.

January 7, 2006

I agree with your take on this. Think of these as filters on a camera lense.

There are many filters in jyotish. What is being done here is the zeroth order

filter. Rashi tatwa ? What should be general characteristics if one says I am

Mesh lagna or Mesh rashi ?

Similarly one has graha tatwas. Then one has to merge rashi tatwa and graha

tatwa, then the lordships etc.

I think this is a great exercise and I would recommend this to anyone starting

out, and to even those who have experience. This will make refresh ones

fundamentals and those who go into plethora of complexicity for no reason at

all will be surprised to see how a through analysis of rashi chart alone can

get you so much information.

Good job Sreenadh.Keep it up

....

On 1/7/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Ramesh jiThanks for your kind understanding.PradeepDear KarthikThis is just

the first step. Modification factors will be taken into account in a step by

step fashion,before arriving at final judgements.I feel Sreenadh is trying to

share the traditional systematic way of approaching a horoscope.Pls give a

patient ear .ThanksPradeep

vedic astrology, "kartheek_v2000" <kartheek_v2000> wrote:>>

Aries LAGNA> > Aries lagna topic without planets and bhavas is like discussing >

Mahabharat without any charecters.

> wonder how you do it > > Kartheek> > > vedic astrology

, "vijayadas_pradeep" > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> >> > Dear Ramesh ji> > >

> If i am allowed to intervene.> > The name of this whole exercise,is ''predict

with Lagna alone''.I > feel the purpose is to study the effects of various

rashis coming as > Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is understood in

relation > with the nature of other rashis taking the role of remaining >

11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra parameters.We > are not

even considering planetary placements at this stage.It may be > worth listening

to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.

> > Regarding vargas kindly study shadbalas.Please see where bhavas are > taken

for finding digbala,bhava ala etc.> > > > Kind regds> > Pradeep> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" >

ramesh.gangaramani wrote:

> > >> > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > > > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > It may

be interesting to check the house placement of 3L. Also A3 > placement

> > > w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling. How > are the>

> > corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd > sign and> >

> sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3 may > also give>

> > some clue.> > > Best Wishes,> > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

vedic astrology> > > [vedic astrology] On

Behalf Of > jyothi_b_lakshmi> > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM> > >

vedic astrology> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Let us

predict with Lagna > alone!!! - An> > > exercise.> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >

> > > > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt > Aries Lagna?> > >

The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but the > person,> > >

though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is jealous of > her(!). I> > >

mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship. Can I > conclude it>

> > is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey of > Mars? Two

> > > other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not much > attached to>

> > their co-borns. > > > > > > If I am wrong pls correct.> > >

> > > Regards,> > > jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---

In

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" sreelid> > > wrote:> > > >> > >

> Dear panditarjun ji,> > > > You said:> > > > > after studying various types of

predictive sciences and in > vedic > > > > > astrology itself various balas,

chakras, vargas, divisional> > > charts > > > > > etc., i have personally been

sticking only to the lagna and

> > > navamsha > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. > > > >

You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value. > If > > > >

somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

> > > But > > > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what

ever> > > you > > > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL

CHART.

> And> > > the > > > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is >

understanding> > > the > > > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about

these > fundamentals. > > > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:> > > > > You are

right. But those who have written books on chakras,> > > balas, > > > > > padas,

kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree > with > > > > > you. They

will continue discussions even if that causes > confusion.> > > > I agree with

his words. Therefore let us accept all those > various

> > > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that > let> >

> us > > > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point. > >

> Instead > > > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also

> just> > > a > > > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only

appeal to > the

> > > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are> > >

going > > > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to> >

> answer

> > > > some more questions.> > > > You said:> > > > > At the end of the astro

analytical exercise, the native is > not > > > > > interested in a colourful

powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > > charts, > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> classics > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all > >

> > > contradictory.

> > > > I agree completely!!! You said it!!!> > > > To Vinkum you wrote:> > > >

> each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. > > > whatever > >

> > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the > objective> > >

of > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting > > >

> > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to > the > > >

> statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is > NOT > > > >

another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

> > > which > > > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no >

balas, > > > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar > >

> > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

> > > about > > > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the

system > of > > > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a

component!!! > NOT a > > > > new system!!> > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,> > > >

You said:> > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that > one> > >

can > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this > case.

> > > > I can understand you. But there may be others who can > really > > > >

understand, and get benefited by this exercise. . > Understanding> > > the > >

> > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once> > > the >

> > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, > then it > >

> > becomes a prediction.

I think you know about it.> > > > You said:> > > > > I dont get whats meant by

prediction in this case. Because > whatever > > > > > are the characteristics

mentioned here, most of them are by > default > > > > > present and not

something going to happen in future (like > boldness, > > > > > being

aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).> > > > That means you never read that

mail with attention. > Considering> > > my > > > > first mail, I said that: >

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.> > > > 2) He will have a good wife> >

> > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the > > > >

responsibilities at home.> > > > 5) He will have more than one younger

brothers/sisters.> > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack

at middle

> > > age.> > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How many of >

them > > > > are the default present and not something going> > > to > > > >

happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) > comes> > > to > >

> > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it > not > > > >

important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now > if> > > you >

> > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart> > > attack

> > > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!> > > > > And I doubt if

prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > > alone. > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna

alone. > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)> > > >

It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is> > > trying > > >

> to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from > the > > > >

basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact > that> > > you > >

> > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise. But > feel free, > > >

> and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there may be > others > > >

> who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. . My > regards to > > > >

your efforts to understand this basic issue> > > of > > > > Understanding the

nature of Asc.

> > > > > > > > Dear Maniv,> > > > you said> > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I

would like to say that I found the > > > > > description below extremely

accurate. I must praise your > analysis > > > > > that is based solely on the

position of the signs with > reference> > > to > > > > > Aries in the first -

this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old > practice!!! It> >

> IS > > > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the > >

> > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a > new> > >

feat > > > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers >

> > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to > learn > >

> > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the > Natal > > > >

chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just > speaking > > > >

about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are > > > >

interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with > that > > > >

exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,> > > since > >

> > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a > > > >

discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.> > > > > > > > Dear

RNU,> > > > You asked:> > > > > According to this method are we to come to the

conclusion that

> > > all > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.> > > >

Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic > layout. > > > All > >

> > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction > is > > > >

modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas > etc.> > > But

> > > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can> > >

apply > > > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding >

the > > > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > > > > > > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,>

> > since > > > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> > > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR > ji, >

> > > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why > you> > >

are > > > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel >

sad > > > > because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. >

Ar> > > Asc, > > > > and is going to the side tracks.> > > > Love,> > > >

Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >

vedic astrology, "renunw" renunw> > > wrote:> > > > >> > >

> > ---Dear Gurujis> > > > > > > > > > According to this method are we to come

to the conclusion that

> > > all > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?> > > > > > > > > >

please explain.> > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > RNW> > > > > > > > >

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" > > > maniv1321 > > > >

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > As an Aries

ascendant, I would like to say that I found the > > > > > description below

extremely accurate. I must praise your > analysis > > > > > that is based

solely on the position of the signs with > reference> > > to > > > > > Aries in

the first - this is truly an amazing feat.> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > >

>

> > > > > Maniv> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear

Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in

this. If > it> > > is > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one

knows, that > one> > > can > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by

prediction in this > case. > > > > > Because whatever are the characteristics

mentioned here, most > of> > > > them> > > > > are by default present and not

something going to happen in > future > > > > > (like boldness, being

aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).> > > > > And I doubt if prediction of

an event can be done with Lagna> > > alone. > > > > > If that is what you meant

I am unable to do with Lagna alone. > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a

lot before I do!!)> > > > > > > > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise

properly. > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Jyothi> > > >

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004" > > > > panditarjun2004

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear friend vinkum> > > > >

> > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. > > >

whatever > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the >

objective> > > of > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and

getting > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various >

ways> > > of > > > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists,

numorologists,

> > > tarot > > > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem >

therapists, > > > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of

predictions

> and > > > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in >

medicine> > > too, > > > > > you have so many branches like allopathy,

ayurveda, > homeopathy, > > > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but

the patient's only > > > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door

he knocks. > we> > > all > > > > > live in mutual coexistence without

criticisng one another. > off> > > late > > > > > the querent has become

demanding and expects the astrologer > to do > > > > > some value addition in

his services and give value for his

> > > money. > > > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these

days > even > > > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always

remember > a > > > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently >

displayed> > > at > > > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".> > > > > > >

> > > with best wishes> > > > > arjun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

vedic astrology, "vinkum111" > > > vinkum111 > > > > >

wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello Panditarjun,> > > > > > > > > > > > You are

right. But those who have written books on chakras,> > > balas, > > > > > >

padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree> > > with > > > >

> > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes> > > confusion. > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinkum> > > > vedic astrology,

"panditarjun2004" > > > > panditarjun2004@y

.... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear friend> > > > > > > > > > after studying

various types of predictive sciences and in > vedic > > > > > astrology itself

various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > > charts > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna

and> > > navamsha > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

Lalkitab system

> > > which > > > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking

> only to > > > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.> > > >

> > > > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is > not >

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie> > >

charts,

> > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing > classics > >

> > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all > > > > >

contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

> > > that > > > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of

his> > > pain > > > > > or suffering.> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > arjun> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

, "Sreenadh" > sreelid> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Jyothi

ji,> > > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna > is >

> > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others > states> >

> > > the> > > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is >

applicable> > > to > > > > > all> > > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will

explain.> > > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is >

right> > > that > > > > > we> > > > > > thing about many things using Lagna

House). Lagna by itself > is> > > the > > > > > > significator of nothing, but

it is right that Lagna > sign+house > > > > > > signifies several things. But

take moon placed in a sign. > Moon> > > is > > > > > the> > > > > >

significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

> > > (even > > > > > if> > > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is

posited signifies> > > > > several> > > > > > things. So the out put would be a

mix of the > characteristics of> > > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it

the significator of> > > > > nothing!!! So> > > > > > the only prediction, we

are drawing out langa is Sign+House > > > > > > predictions!!!> > > > > > In

short it means that when we speak about predicting with> > > Lagna > > > > > >

alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > > > > prediction,> > > > > > which is independent of all other parameters

(like planets,> > > Vargas > > > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna

itself, since Lagna > is > > > > > > something without any special

characteristics!!! Therefore > when> > > we > > > > > are> > > > > > taking any

house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

> bhava > > > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting >

with> > > Ar > > > > > > Asc) applies there as well!! > > > > > > Think of

predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > > > > placed in> > > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar

Sign+House effects> > > (The > > > > > same> > > > > > predictions given for Ar

Asc) + The special predictions of > Su> > > in > > > > > Ar. > > > > > > In

short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying > to> > > > > start> > >

> > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying > to> > > > >

populate> > > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict

with> > > > > them!!! > > > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every

planet or

> > > combination > > > > > in> > > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say

about that > individual,> > > > > which is> > > > > > independent of the

placement of all the other planets!!! > > > > > > If somebody is trying to

consider all parameters and > trying to > > > > > > predict something he will

end up stating that something is> > > squared > > > > > to> > > > > > something

and such and such combination exists, which are> > > useless > > > > > >

statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> > > interested > > > > > is> > > > > > in getting the output, that is actual

prediction that is> > > related > > > > > to> > > > > > his life!! The

astrologer should be able understand and > predict> > > > > the> > > > > > life

incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't > send> > > any > > > > > >

personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

> > > after > > > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

> answer> > > > > such> > > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to

the qurent. > So my> > > > > gurugi> > > > > > says, predict something for each

and every thing you see on > the > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > For example.

Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

> > > sign, > > > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he

will > have> > > > > more> > > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house

indicates co-born). The > shape> > > of > > > > > the> > > > > > sign is a man

with a weapon and a girl with a musical> > > instrument. > > > > > So I

> > > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the > other> > >

is a > > > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

> and> > > > > there> > > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger

brother and one> > > > > younger> > > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is

the lord of 6th house as > well. > > > > > > Therefore I will predict that,

later in life his brothers > and> > > > > sisters> > > > > > may become his

enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please > come> > >

> > forward> > > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your

logic > and > > > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary

to > make> > > > > such> > > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your

predictions are

> > > > > correct or> > > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. .

Since I asked> > > you > > > > > to> > > > > > forget the classics, you should

feel more free, and should

> > > > > joyfully> > > > > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love,

Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > > > >

jyothi_b_lakshmi@y

.... wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Not participating in the excercise, but let me > ask> > > one > > > > > > >

thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi> > > (moon > > > > >

> sign)?> > > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) >

and> > > 99% > > > > > of> > > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned

for Aries people, > is> > > > > true in> > > > > > > her case. It was really

amazing. Other things, I would > like> > > to > > > > > add,> > > > > > > wrt

to her, is> > > > > > > 1. Highly dominating. > > > > > > > 2. Has a good sense

of humour. > > > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4. Bold

and > > > > > > > courageous.> > > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she

rarely cries!!) 6. > (Never > > > > > > > listens to anybody, especially

mother!!)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father

is not short > lived).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > jyothi>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" > > > > > sreelid> > > > > > >

wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict> > >

based > > > > > on> > > > > > > each> > > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, > Exaltation> > >

& > > > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.> > > > > > > > 2) No planetary

position would be considered, except > the> > > > > natal> > > > > > Asc> > > >

> > > > (Legna).> > > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind

of

> > > prediction > > > > > is> > > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and

follow the logic. > Forget> > > > > the D-> > > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts

and Planetary position. It is only > the> > > > > Legna> > > > > > > and> > > >

> > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important > to us> > > > >

(in

> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > exersise). > > > > > > > > 4) All the

participants should try to make newer and > newer > > > > > > > > predictions,

while sticking to the simple rules > described> > > > > below,> > > > > > >

and> > > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how> > >

they

> > > > > made> > > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in> >

> understanding > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of > (Sign,> > >

> > Houses,> > > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in> > > > >

> > participating> > > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this

exercise, and

> > > would > > > > > stop> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > the middle. Many will

continue the discussion, and > sh!!!! I> > > > > plan

> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes. Let

> us start > > > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aris

Lagna> > > > > > > > ----------> > > > > > > > Shape: Got. > > > > > > > > A

person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

> > > food, > > > > > will> > > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like

to be part of a> > > group, > > > > > will> > > > > > > > like adventure, would

like to be honored by others, his

> > > lower > > > > > part> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the body (especially

legs) will be weaker compared to > the> > > > > upper

> > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual

relations. etc > etc Lord > > > > > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous,

aggressive, would > like > > > > > > > > weapons and> > > > > fights,> > > > >

> > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one > whom> > > he > >

> > > > love,> > > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.> > > > > >

> > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his > brothers

> > > > > and> > > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in

house> > > > > similar> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > the eldest son. His

responsible behavior, leadership

> > > quality, > > > > > love> > > > > > > > for home make him the 1st

(eldest).> > > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted

in

> > > 10th, > > > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

> job. > > > But > > > > > the> > > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna,

Indicating that his > job> > > > > will be > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > good

as his expectations. He will always feel that he > never> > > > > got a

> > > > > > > job> > > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and

that he> > > deserved > > > > > a> > > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa.

Indicates that he is working > either> > > in > > > > > > > > Military, Police

etc, or that his job could be > Supervisor,> > > > > Driver,> > > > > > > >

Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would > be> > > many > > > > >

> > above> > > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord)

is> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the> > >

family > > > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> > > especially > > > > > in> > > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before

marriage - logic) His > mother> > > will > > > > > > > > suggest him how to

spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord > and > > > > > > > > significator for

Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house> > > (Money) > > > > > > > starting> > > >

> > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced > him,> > > as >

> > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting > from> > > >

> Legna). > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma> > >

(lagna > > > > > > > lord)> > > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata)

of kalapurusha. > It is> > > > > also> > > > > > > > indicated by the fact that

Ma is also the lord of 8th. > He> > > will > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in > Legna. >

> > He > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age

itself as > indicated> > > by > > > > > the> > > > > > > > lordship of Ju not

only of 9th house but also of the > 12th> > > > > > > > (loss/death) house.

That is the reason, for his taking > the > > > > > > > > responsibilities of

home at an early age.> > > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord

of 7th is Ve. > > > After > > > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of

a happy married > life> > > as > > > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve

of 2nd and 7th house. > > > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the

possible> > > > > predictions> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > could be made

after knowing that one person is born is > Ar> > > > > > > Ascendant. > > > > >

> > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion > on> > > Ar > > >

> > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

> > > only) > > > > > Let> > > > > > us> > > > > > > > understand the laws and

system of prediction using the> > > single

> > > > > Asc> > > > > > > (Ar> > > > > > > > alone), and then go on to

implement the same concepts in> > > > > > prediction> > > > > > > > with other

Ascendants.

> > > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many> > >

would > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and

such > prediction> > > was > > > > > > > > accurate concerning this and this

horoscopes, such and > such > > > > > > > > predictions were wrong in real

experience although the

> > > > > argument is> > > > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start

the play. > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >

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January 7, 2006

Dear Kartheek

Please refrain from making public your insecurities and inflated

ego. If you feel that your knowledge of Joyitsh transcends that of

others then kindly ignore subsequent posting that 'insult' your

superior intelligence.

>From what I understand, this is a message board open for learning to

aspirants with varying degrees of competence; not solely for the

learned elite( a category in which I am sure qualify yourself) .

Many a discussion has taken place on the raw basics of divisional

charts and Narayana dasha, where in depth explanations have been

given on the most simplest of procedures. There are many members of

this group, such as myself, that are extremely familiar with such

methods, but lack the exposure to an intense microscopic analysis of

the Rasi chart alone. This is not to say that such basics are alien

to us, but an alternative insight helps strengthen the foundations

further. The fact that several people have commented on the accuracy

of this lagna-only-analysis bears testament to the appropriateness

of this exercise.

I would kindly request the moderators of this board to review the

sarcastic, highly inflammatory and offensive comments made

by `Jyotish Acharya' Karteek. Such egotistic behaviour, I feel, is

incompatible with the mood of this board and acts as a disincentive

for people to contribute.

Thanks

Maniv

vedic astrology, "kartheek_v2000"

<kartheek_v2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Vijayadas

>

> It is not just me who feels this. This list is not a place for

> Teaching kindergarden Children. Mr.Sreenadh Thinks That we are

> kindergarden students,which is sad. He thinks this is a game, and

we

> will do ringa ringa roses,baba blacksheep and what NOT.

>

> Kartheek

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh ji

> >

> > Thanks for your kind understanding.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > Dear Karthik

> >

> > This is just the first step. Modification factors will be taken

> into account in a step by step fashion,before arriving at final

> judgements.I feel Sreenadh is trying to share the traditional

> systematic way of approaching a horoscope.Pls give a patient ear .

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kartheek_v2000"

> <kartheek_v2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > Aries LAGNA

> > >

> > > Aries lagna topic without planets and bhavas is like

discussing

> > > Mahabharat without any charecters.

> > > wonder how you do it

> > >

> > > Kartheek

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramesh ji

> > > >

> > > > If i am allowed to intervene.

> > > > The name of this whole exercise,is ''predict with Lagna

> alone''.I

> > > feel the purpose is to study the effects of various rashis

coming

> as

> > > Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is understood in

> relation

> > > with the nature of other rashis taking the role of remaining

> > > 11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra

> parameters.We

> > > are not even considering planetary placements at this stage.It

> may be

> > > worth listening to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.

> > > > Regarding vargas kindly study shadbalas.Please see where

bhavas

> are

> > > taken for finding digbala,bhava ala etc.

> > > >

> > > > Kind regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F.

Gangaramani"

> > > ramesh.gangaramani wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > > > It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L.

> Also A3

> > > placement

> > > > > w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling.

> How

> > > are the

> > > > > corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in

odd

> > > sign and

> > > > > sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in

D3

> may

> > > also give

> > > > > some clue.

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Ramesh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna

> > > alone!!! - An

> > > > > exercise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd

wrt

> > > Aries Lagna?

> > > > > The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister,

but

> the

> > > person,

> > > > > though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is

jealous

> of

> > > her(!). I

> > > > > mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship.

> Can I

> > > conclude it

> > > > > is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey

of

> > > Mars? Two

> > > > > other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not

much

> > > attached to

> > > > > their co-borns.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I am wrong pls correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> sreelid

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences

and

> in

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas,

> divisional

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the

lagna

> and

> > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > > > > > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own

> value.

> > > If

> > > > > > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and

appreciate

> them.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or

what

> ever

> > > > > you

> > > > > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL

> CHART.

> > > And

> > > > > the

> > > > > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is

> > > understanding

> > > > > the

> > > > > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

> > > fundamentals.

> > > > > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on

> chakras,

> > > > > balas,

> > > > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not

> agree

> > > with

> > > > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that

causes

> > > confusion.

> > > > > > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all

those

> > > various

> > > > > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but

before

> that

> > > let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only

> point.

> > > > > Instead

> > > > > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am

> also

> > > just

> > > > > a

> > > > > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only

appeal

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track -

we

> are

> > > > > going

> > > > > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would

try

> to

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > some more questions.

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the

native

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of

various

> pie

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages

citing

> > > classics

> > > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > > > > contradictory.

> > > > > > ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > > > > > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own

> way.

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> > > objective

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and

> getting

> > > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > > > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I

disagree,

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!!

It

> is

> > > NOT

> > > > > > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic

> layout on

> > > > > which

> > > > > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart

no

> > > balas,

> > > > > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses,

> Stellar

> > > > > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just

> speaking

> > > > > about

> > > > > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the

> system

> > > of

> > > > > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a

> component!!!

> > > NOT a

> > > > > > new system!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this.

If

> it is

> > > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows,

> that

> > > one

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in

> this

> > > case.

> > > > > > I can understand you. But there may be others who

can

> > > really

> > > > > > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. .

> > > Understanding

> > > > > the

> > > > > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction.

Since

> once

> > > > > the

> > > > > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the

qurent,

> > > then it

> > > > > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> Because

> > > whatever

> > > > > > > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

are

> by

> > > default

> > > > > > > present and not something going to happen in future

(like

> > > boldness,

> > > > > > > being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > > > That means you never read that mail with attention.

> > > Considering

> > > > > my

> > > > > > first mail, I said that:

> > > > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > > > > 2) He will have a good wife

> > > > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > > > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take

the

> > > > > > responsibilities at home.

> > > > > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack

at

> middle

> > > > > age.

> > > > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How

> many of

> > > them

> > > > > > are the default present and not something going

> > > > > to

> > > > > > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be

25)

> > > comes

> > > > > to

> > > > > > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him

is

> it

> > > not

> > > > > > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say

so!!!

> Now

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a

> heart

> > > > > attack

> > > > > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > > > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with

> Lagna

> > > > > alone.

> > > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna

> alone.

> > > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > > > > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone.

> But is

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > to understand the Natal chart. And there also

starting

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the

> fact

> > > that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise.

But

> > > feel free,

> > > > > > and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there

> may be

> > > others

> > > > > > who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. .

My

> > > regards to

> > > > > > your efforts to understand this basic issue

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Maniv,

> > > > > > you said

> > > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I

found

> the

> > > > > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise

your

> > > analysis

> > > > > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> > > reference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

> > > practice!!! It

> > > > > IS

> > > > > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one

of

> the

> > > > > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is

not

> a

> > > new

> > > > > feat

> > > > > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of

> astrologers

> > > > > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go

on

> to

> > > learn

> > > > > > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand

the

> > > Natal

> > > > > > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

> > > speaking

> > > > > > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if

they

> are

> > > > > > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may

benefit

> with

> > > that

> > > > > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed

in

> it,

> > > > > since

> > > > > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought

that

> a

> > > > > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is

all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RNU,

> > > > > > You asked:

> > > > > > > According to this method are we to come to the

conclusion

> that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > > > > > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic

> > > layout.

> > > > > All

> > > > > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic

> prediction

> > > is

> > > > > > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas,

> desas

> > > etc.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only

he

> can

> > > > > apply

> > > > > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about

> understanding

> > > the

> > > > > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I

feel

> sad,

> > > > > since

> > > > > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate

in

> the

> > > > > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas

ji,

> PVR

> > > ji,

> > > > > > all other persons who are well versed in the

fundamentals,

> why

> > > you

> > > > > are

> > > > > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same?

I

> feel

> > > sad

> > > > > > because this discussion is diverting from the main

point,

> i.e.

> > > Ar

> > > > > Asc,

> > > > > > and is going to the side tracks.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "renunw"

renunw

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > According to this method are we to come to the

conclusion

> that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > please explain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > blessings

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RNW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> > > > > maniv1321

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I

found

> the

> > > > > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise

your

> > > analysis

> > > > > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> > > reference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maniv

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in

this.

> If

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows,

> that

> > > one

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in

> this

> > > case.

> > > > > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned

here,

> most

> > > of

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > are by default present and not something going to

happen

> in

> > > future

> > > > > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities

> etc.).

> > > > > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with

> Lagna

> > > > > alone.

> > > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna

> alone.

> > > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear friend vinkum

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own

> way.

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> > > objective

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and

> getting

> > > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing

> various

> > > ways

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists,

> numorologists,

> > > > > tarot

> > > > > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

> > > therapists,

> > > > > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of

> predictions

> > > and

> > > > > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

> > > medicine

> > > > > too,

> > > > > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

> > > homeopathy,

> > > > > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the

patient's

> only

> > > > > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he

> knocks.

> > > we

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one

> another.

> > > off

> > > > > late

> > > > > > > the querent has become demanding and expects the

> astrologer

> > > to do

> > > > > > > some value addition in his services and give value for

his

> > > > > money.

> > > > > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these

> days

> > > even

> > > > > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always

> remember

> > > a

> > > > > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

> > > displayed

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > > > > vinkum111

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on

> chakras,

> > > > > balas,

> > > > > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may

not

> agree

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that

causes

> > > > > confusion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vinkum

> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences

and

> in

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas,

> divisional

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the

lagna

> and

> > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab

> system

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of

sticking

> > > only to

> > > > > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the

native

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of

various

> pie

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages

citing

> > > classics

> > > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > > > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall

be

> like

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the

native

> of his

> > > > > pain

> > > > > > > or suffering.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > sreelid

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to

> Lagna

> > > is

> > > > > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many

> others

> > > states

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > applicable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It

is

> > > right

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by

> itself

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

> > > sign+house

> > > > > > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a

> sign.

> > > Moon

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house

in

> which

> > > > > (even

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited

> signifies

> > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the

> > > characteristics of

> > > > > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the

significator of

> > > > > > > nothing!!! So

> > > > > > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is

> Sign+House

> > > > > > > > predictions!!!

> > > > > > > > In short it means that when we speak about

predicting

> with

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the

> Sign+House

> > > > > > > prediction,

> > > > > > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like

> planets,

> > > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself,

since

> Lagna

> > > is

> > > > > > > > something without any special characteristics!!!

> Therefore

> > > when

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for

> bhavat-

> > > bhava

> > > > > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while

> predicting

> > > with

> > > > > Ar

> > > > > > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > > > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for

which

> Su is

> > > > > > > placed in

> > > > > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House

> effects

> > > > > (The

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special

predictions

> of

> > > Su

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Ar.

> > > > > > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > > start

> > > > > > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > > > populate

> > > > > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to

predict

> with

> > > > > > > them!!!

> > > > > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet

or

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that

> > > individual,

> > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > independent of the placement of all the other

> planets!!!

> > > > > > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters

and

> > > trying to

> > > > > > > > predict something he will end up stating that

something

> is

> > > > > squared

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > something and such and such combination exists,

which

> are

> > > > > useless

> > > > > > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he

is

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction

that is

> > > > > related

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand

and

> > > predict

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please

> don't

> > > send

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's

> horoscope

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time

to

> > > answer

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the

> qurent.

> > > So my

> > > > > > > gurugi

> > > > > > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you

> see on

> > > the

> > > > > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is

an

> Ubhaya

> > > > > sign,

> > > > > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that

he

> will

> > > have

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-

born).

> The

> > > shape

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> > > > > instrument.

> > > > > > > So I

> > > > > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that

the

> > > other

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and

> sisters,

> > > and

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother

> and one

> > > > > > > younger

> > > > > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th

house

> as

> > > well.

> > > > > > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his

> brothers

> > > and

> > > > > > > sisters

> > > > > > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly,

> please

> > > come

> > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use

your

> logic

> > > and

> > > > > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is

necessary

> to

> > > make

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your

predictions

> are

> > > > > > > correct or

> > > > > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since

I

> asked

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and

> should

> > > > > > > joyfully

> > > > > > > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love,

Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but

let

> me

> > > ask

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for

Aries

> Rasi

> > > > > (moon

> > > > > > > > sign)?

> > > > > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani

> star)

> > > and

> > > > > 99%

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries

> people,

> > > is

> > > > > > > true in

> > > > > > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > add,

> > > > > > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4.

Bold

> and

> > > > > > > > > courageous.

> > > > > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely

cries!!)

> 6.

> > > (Never

> > > > > > > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not

short

> > > lived).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > > > > sreelid

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to

> predict

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

> > > Exaltation

> > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered,

> except

> > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the

> logic.

> > > Forget

> > > > > > > the D-

> > > > > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It

is

> only

> > > the

> > > > > > > Legna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is

> important

> > > to us

> > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make

newer

> and

> > > newer

> > > > > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

> > > described

> > > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why

and

> how

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method

of

> > > (Sign,

> > > > > > > Houses,

> > > > > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be

> interested in

> > > > > > > > > participating

> > > > > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this

exercise,

> and

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion,

and

> > > sh!!!! I

> > > > > > > plan

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it

goes.

> Let

> > > us start

> > > > > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will

like

> hot

> > > > > food,

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part

of

> a

> > > > > group,

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by

others,

> his

> > > > > lower

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker

compared

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > upper

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations.

> etc

> > > etc Lord

> > > > > > > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive,

would

> > > like

> > > > > > > > > > weapons and

> > > > > > > fights,

> > > > > > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for

the

> one

> > > whom

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > love,

> > > > > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of

his

> > > brothers

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility

in

> house

> > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior,

leadership

> > > > > quality,

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is

> exalted in

> > > > > 10th,

> > > > > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in

> his

> > > job.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating

that

> his

> > > job

> > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel

that

> he

> > > never

> > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and

that

> he

> > > > > deserved

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is

working

> > > either

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

> > > Supervisor,

> > > > > > > Driver,

> > > > > > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There

> would

> > > be

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna

> lord) is

> > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender

to

> the

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect

there,

> > > > > especially

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic)

His

> > > mother

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo

(4ht

> lord

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd

house

> > > > > (Money)

> > > > > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties

> faced

> > > him,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th

> (starting

> > > from

> > > > > > > Legna).

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since

> the Ma

> > > > > (lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord)

> > > > > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of

> kalapurusha.

> > > It is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord

of

> 8th.

> > > He

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is

exalted

> in

> > > Legna.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as

> > > indicated

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his

> taking

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th

is

> Ve.

> > > > > After

> > > > > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy

> married

> > > life

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th

> house.

> > > > > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the

possible

> > > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is

born

> is

> > > Ar

> > > > > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this

> discussion

> > > on

> > > > > Ar

> > > > > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas

> later

> > > > > only)

> > > > > > > Let

> > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction

using

> the

> > > > > single

> > > > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > > > (Ar

> > > > > > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same

> concepts in

> > > > > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope

that

> many

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such

> > > prediction

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes,

such

> and

> > > such

> > > > > > > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience

although

> the

> > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the

> play.

> > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

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some sickness to childern, stubborn,. troubled marriage due to dry or firey

nature also may bad marriage for aries peoples. Sun being exalted in lagan

gives good digestion ( overall energetic temprament of native, royal and

aristocratic progeny). Native may attract wrath fron tax departmant due to 7th

house. 5.Moon beinf exalted in 2n house gives a beautiful and sobre mother, may

be inclined towards fine arts, rich, gain in property. Moon being debilitated in

8th house may give hydrophobia. I am just putting in my limited knowledge of

Jyotisha. I amy have given some contradictory results but forgive me if i have

not written correctly.Sreenadh ji and Daksinamuthy ji, kindly correct me.

Thanks in advance. Pankaj Sharmadakshinastrologer

<dakshinastrologer (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Om Nama

Shivaya:Dear Shri. Swee Chan:Your delineation may be on a humorous tone, but it

has weighty material in it. In Astrology if you use your creativity along with

logic, wonderful and sometimes astounding predictions can be made. Your post is

an example for that.Now Shrinadhji and other members:I am giving hints to

analyze further. I am just setting the view points for analysis and you have

to analyze it and enlighten the other seekers.Try to analyze the native's house

aspects (location of the house, direction of the city/ province which will prove

lucky for residence) using first principles.Try to analyze the native's attitude

towards money (2nd house significations); how will he gain money? Attitudes

towards debts?.....Courage of the native: (note that the 3rd house lord is

exalted in 6th house- the house of enemies).Health problems that are probable

(2nd lord Venus

which is a significator of eye sight, and venus itself signifies eyes get

debilitated in 6th house- the house of diseases to begin with... kindly use

other significations also)Poorva punya: How is it likely to operate in the

life of the individual - (5th lord Sun is exalted in lagna and debilitated in

7th house. Kindly analyze the significations that could be drawn from this).

The same can be used to analyze the native's common sense and

intelligence.Likely injuries: (8th house significations)Friendship: (11th house

aspects.... 11th lord is debilitated in lagna while it is exalted in 7th

house..... significations of this....)I have just given a few hints as fodder

so that Shrinadhji and other members can apply their logic and intuition along

these lines to analyze it in depth for the benefit of everyone here.Blessed be.

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January 7, 2006

-Dear Gurujiss,

Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7

points" can be applied eyes closed.

At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of analysis.

Blessings

RNW

-- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

>

> Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

after

> everyone has had their say.

>

> All members should note that this is just an exercise to stimulate

the

> logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

disposition

> of planets into account.

>

> Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

give

> my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries to

> enable other members to analyze it and give their logical reasons

for

> that. Kindly do not take offence.

>

> 1) He would probably be the eldest.

>

> Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native is

> usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

sign.

> Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

>

> 2) He will have a good wife.

>

> This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and why

do

> you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> here?

>

> But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

attractive

> wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

found

> that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

hidden

> frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

usually

> blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

> But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

> comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light

by

> others and the society. Other members may also come out with their

> experiences or views in this regard.

>

> 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

>

> You may put it this way.... The person may have to work harder

> than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

Saturn).

>

> 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> responsibilities at home.

>

> In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

fathers

> are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born

with

> Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

father

> and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their father.

> Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life

(but

> it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

sure..

> .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

the

> individual horoscope.

>

> For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

from

> Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant. He

> almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-tempered

> and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

Hanuman

> (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence of

> Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

His

> father - Shri Kesari.

>

> As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

>

> 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

>

> Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases. I

> will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

his/her

> siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this native.

> But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

native

> is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

never

> gets diminished nevertheless.

>

> 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

>

> This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to be

> Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

>

> The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate a

lot

> and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around them.

>

> 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

>

> I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives

with

> Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by middle

> age. This is in conformity with standard astrological principles.

>

> I have another interesting note to add regarding the relationship

of

> this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

lord.

> So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom not

> many people know of.... or they are self-made!

>

> You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, these

> persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

>

> By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

because

> in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is for

> this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> standard horoscope.

>

> When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

interesting

> possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

karakas

> will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

bhava

> karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

>

> I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

srinadhji.

>

> Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and only

go

> by the first principles as you have rightly done.

>

> Blessed be.

>

January 7, 2006

dear friend RNW

a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours, guntur)

is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

speak out on this issue)

3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

with his profession and takes pride in his job)

4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in

excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger brother

or sister at all. he is the youngest)

6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

heart attack as yet)

7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

hairgrowth)

I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

light as to why this native strayed away from all these generalised

characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

>

> -Dear Gurujiss,

>

> Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7

> points" can be applied eyes closed.

>

> At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of analysis.

>

> Blessings

>

> RNW

>

> -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> >

> > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

> after

> > everyone has had their say.

> >

> > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

stimulate

> the

> > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> disposition

> > of planets into account.

> >

> > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

> give

> > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries

to

> > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

reasons

> for

> > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> >

> > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> >

> > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native

is

> > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> sign.

> > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> >

> > 2) He will have a good wife.

> >

> > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

why

> do

> > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

force

> > here?

> >

> > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> attractive

> > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> found

> > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> hidden

> > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> usually

> > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good

at

> > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

heart.

> > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

it

> > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

light

> by

> > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

their

> > experiences or views in this regard.

> >

> > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> >

> > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

harder

> > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> Saturn).

> >

> > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > responsibilities at home.

> >

> > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> fathers

> > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

born

> with

> > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> father

> > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

father.

> > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

life

> (but

> > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> sure..

> > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

> the

> > individual horoscope.

> >

> > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

> from

> > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant.

He

> > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

tempered

> > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> Hanuman

> > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence

of

> > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

> His

> > father - Shri Kesari.

> >

> > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> >

> > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> >

> > Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases.

I

> > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> his/her

> > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

native.

> > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> native

> > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> never

> > gets diminished nevertheless.

> >

> > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> >

> > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to

be

> > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> >

> > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate

a

> lot

> > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

them.

> >

> > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> >

> > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

natives

> with

> > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

middle

> > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

principles.

> >

> > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

relationship

> of

> > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

> lord.

> > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

not

> > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> >

> > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

these

> > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> >

> > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> because

> > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

for

> > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> > standard horoscope.

> >

> > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> interesting

> > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> karakas

> > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> bhava

> > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> >

> > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> srinadhji.

> >

> > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

only

> go

> > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

>

January 7, 2006

Please send birth details/

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of panditarjun2004Sent:

Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:25 PMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! - An exercise.dear

friend RNWa friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours,

guntur)is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:1. he would

probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest and all brothers and

sisters are elders only)2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked

me not to speak out on this issue)3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he

is highly satisfied with his profession and takes pride in his job)4. His

father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in excellent health

condition and travels a lot too)5. Have more than one younger brother/sister

(no, no younger brother or sister at all. he is the youngest)6. Have heart

attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no heart attack as yet)7. Have

bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush hairgrowth)I would request

all participants in this exercise to kindly throw light as to why this native

strayed away from all these generalised characteristics of an aeries

ascendant.with best wishes and regardsarjun--- In

vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:>> -Dear

Gurujiss,> > Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7 >

points" can be applied eyes closed. > > At the same time I'd love to learn more

on this method of analysis.> > Blessings> > RNW> > -- In

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer>

wrote:> >> > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:> > > > Please do not get upset that not many

are participating in this > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been

following your > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round

up > after > > everyone has had their say.> > > > All members should note that

this is just an exercise to stimulate > the > > logical faculties based on

fixed astrological pointers. While > > analyzing actual charts, you must take

the placement and > disposition > > of planets into account. > > > > Now I

will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and > give > > my

comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries to > > enable

other members to analyze it and give their logical reasons > for > > that.

Kindly do not take offence.> > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.> > > >

Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native is > > usually

the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder > > siblings is

debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first > sign. > > Standard

astrological classics also give this general result.> > > > 2) He will have a

good wife.> > > > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

why > do > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force >

> here?> > > > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an >

attractive > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> found > > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some >

hidden > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is >

usually > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at >

> cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart. > > But,

their partners often fall short of their expectations when it > > comes to

qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light > by > > others and

the society. Other members may also come out with their > > experiences or

views in this regard.> > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.> > > >

You may put it this way.... The person may have to work harder > > than

others to achieve his professional goals (influence of > Saturn). > > > > 4)

His father would be short lived, and he would take the> > responsibilities at

home.> > > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a >

> "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their > fathers > >

are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born > with > >

Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their > father > > and

tend towards extremes in their relationship with their father. > > Sometimes,

Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life > (but > > it depends on

other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is > sure..> > .. the native does

not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his > > father until and unless there

are other moderating influences in > the > > individual horoscope.> > > >

For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer > from > > Chennai

(now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant. He > > almost

worshipped his father though his father was a short-tempered > > and

authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri. > Hanuman > > (we

have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure > > tradition),

another Aries native, as we all know the influence of > > Shrimati Anjana Devi

- his mother was more than the influence of > His > > father - Shri Kesari.> >

> > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is > >

correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.> > > > 5) He will

have more than one younger brothers/sisters.> > > > Experience has proved

that this is the case in most cases. I > > will add on that also. The native

is highly affectionate to > his/her > > siblings and the siblings are also

equally attached to this native. > > But, more often than not, some controversy

in the life of this > native > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally.

Their mutual love > never > > gets diminished nevertheless.> > > > 6) There is

a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.> > > > This is

true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to be > > Type A-behaviour

persons with noted aggressiveness and > > competitiveness. This often leads to

heart maladies.> > > > The remedy for this would be for these natives to

meditate a > lot > > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

them. > > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.> > > > I

will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives > with > > Sun in

this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by middle > > age. This is

in conformity with standard astrological principles.> > > > I have another

interesting note to add regarding the relationship > of > > this native with

his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of > > preceptor and Dharma.

Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th > lord. > > So, these natives often

learn subjects from a Guru about whom not > > many people know of.... or they

are self-made!> > > > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious

planet, these > > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.> > > >

By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities > because > > in

this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is for > > this

reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the > > standard

horoscope.> > > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have >

interesting > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural >

karakas > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and >

bhava > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.> > > > I am

waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas > srinadhji.> > > > Let

us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and only > go > > by the

first principles as you have rightly done.> > > > Blessed be.> >>

January 7, 2006

Dear Shri. Michel:

Kindly go through my earlier posts in which I have given the

modifications including the issue about the wife.

For all the seven points that Shri. Shrinadhji has listed I have

introduced moderating factors. They will explain this.

Blessed be.vedic astrology, "Michael Travass"

<michael.travass@b...> wrote:

>

> Please send birth details/

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

panditarjun2004

> Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:25 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! -

An

> exercise.

>

> dear friend RNW

>

> a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours,

guntur)

> is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

> observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

>

> 1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

> and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

> 2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

> speak out on this issue)

> 3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

> with his profession and takes pride in his job)

> 4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in

> excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

> 5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger brother

> or sister at all. he is the youngest)

> 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

> heart attack as yet)

> 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

> hairgrowth)

>

> I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

> light as to why this native strayed away from all these generalised

> characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> >

> > -Dear Gurujiss,

> >

> > Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7

> > points" can be applied eyes closed.

> >

> > At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of

analysis.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > RNW

> >

> > -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> > >

> > > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

> > after

> > > everyone has had their say.

> > >

> > > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> stimulate

> > the

> > > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> > > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> > disposition

> > > of planets into account.

> > >

> > > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

> > give

> > > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries

> to

> > > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

> reasons

> > for

> > > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> > >

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > >

> > > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native

> is

> > > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> > sign.

> > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> > >

> > > 2) He will have a good wife.

> > >

> > > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

> why

> > do

> > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

> force

> > > here?

> > >

> > > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> > attractive

> > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> > found

> > > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> > hidden

> > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> > usually

> > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good

> at

> > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

> heart.

> > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

> it

> > > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

> light

> > by

> > > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

> their

> > > experiences or views in this regard.

> > >

> > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > >

> > > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

> harder

> > > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> > Saturn).

> > >

> > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > responsibilities at home.

> > >

> > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> > fathers

> > > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

> born

> > with

> > > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> > father

> > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

> father.

> > > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

> life

> > (but

> > > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> > sure..

> > > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> > > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

> > the

> > > individual horoscope.

> > >

> > > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

> > from

> > > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant.

> He

> > > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

> tempered

> > > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> > Hanuman

> > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence

> of

> > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

> > His

> > > father - Shri Kesari.

> > >

> > > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> > > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> > >

> > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > >

> > > Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases.

> I

> > > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> > his/her

> > > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

> native.

> > > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> > native

> > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> > never

> > > gets diminished nevertheless.

> > >

> > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

> age.

> > >

> > > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to

> be

> > > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> > >

> > > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate

> a

> > lot

> > > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

> them.

> > >

> > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> > >

> > > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

> natives

> > with

> > > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

> middle

> > > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

> principles.

> > >

> > > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

> relationship

> > of

> > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

> > lord.

> > > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

> not

> > > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> > >

> > > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

> these

> > > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> > >

> > > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> > because

> > > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

> for

> > > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> > > standard horoscope.

> > >

> > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> > interesting

> > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> > karakas

> > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> > bhava

> > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> > >

> > > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> > srinadhji.

> > >

> > > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

> only

> > go

> > > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> >

>

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January 7, 2006

Dear Shri. Arjun:

I think Shri. Shrinadh will take this up when we start discussing the

disposition of planets for Aries ascendant natives. Right now, they

are concentrating only on general delineations based on first

principles. It is not unshastraic. Even various classics do give

general effects of persons born on different ascendants. He is trying

to evolve something similar to that.

Blessed be.vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear friend RNW

>

> a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours,

guntur)

> is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

> observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

>

> 1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

> and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

> 2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

> speak out on this issue)

> 3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

> with his profession and takes pride in his job)

> 4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in

> excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

> 5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger brother

> or sister at all. he is the youngest)

> 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

> heart attack as yet)

> 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

> hairgrowth)

>

> I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

> light as to why this native strayed away from all these generalised

> characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> >

> > -Dear Gurujiss,

> >

> > Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7

> > points" can be applied eyes closed.

> >

> > At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of

analysis.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > RNW

> >

> > -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> > >

> > > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

> > after

> > > everyone has had their say.

> > >

> > > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> stimulate

> > the

> > > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> > > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> > disposition

> > > of planets into account.

> > >

> > > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

> > give

> > > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries

> to

> > > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

> reasons

> > for

> > > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> > >

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > >

> > > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native

> is

> > > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> > sign.

> > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> > >

> > > 2) He will have a good wife.

> > >

> > > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

> why

> > do

> > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

> force

> > > here?

> > >

> > > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> > attractive

> > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> > found

> > > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> > hidden

> > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> > usually

> > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good

> at

> > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

> heart.

> > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

> it

> > > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

> light

> > by

> > > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

> their

> > > experiences or views in this regard.

> > >

> > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > >

> > > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

> harder

> > > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> > Saturn).

> > >

> > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > responsibilities at home.

> > >

> > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> > fathers

> > > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

> born

> > with

> > > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> > father

> > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

> father.

> > > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

> life

> > (but

> > > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> > sure..

> > > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> > > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

> > the

> > > individual horoscope.

> > >

> > > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

> > from

> > > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant.

> He

> > > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

> tempered

> > > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> > Hanuman

> > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence

> of

> > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

> > His

> > > father - Shri Kesari.

> > >

> > > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> > > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> > >

> > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > >

> > > Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases.

> I

> > > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> > his/her

> > > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

> native.

> > > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> > native

> > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> > never

> > > gets diminished nevertheless.

> > >

> > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

> age.

> > >

> > > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to

> be

> > > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> > >

> > > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate

> a

> > lot

> > > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

> them.

> > >

> > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> > >

> > > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

> natives

> > with

> > > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

> middle

> > > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

> principles.

> > >

> > > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

> relationship

> > of

> > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

> > lord.

> > > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

> not

> > > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> > >

> > > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

> these

> > > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> > >

> > > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> > because

> > > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

> for

> > > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> > > standard horoscope.

> > >

> > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> > interesting

> > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> > karakas

> > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> > bhava

> > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> > >

> > > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> > srinadhji.

> > >

> > > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

> only

> > go

> > > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> >

>

January 7, 2006

-Dear Michaelji

Birth details of my friend,

1st April 1954 @ 8.10 am in Colombo, Sri Lanka

He is the eldest son and the father died when he was young. Had to

take over the responsibility of his family. Got married to a fine

wife and is a CEO of a leading company. Well, he got a heart atack in

late 40's.

Blessings

RNW

-- In vedic astrology, "Michael Travass"

<michael.travass@b...> wrote:

>

> Please send birth details/

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

panditarjun2004

> Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:25 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! -

An

> exercise.

>

> dear friend RNW

>

> a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours,

guntur)

> is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

> observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

>

> 1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

> and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

> 2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

> speak out on this issue)

> 3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

> with his profession and takes pride in his job)

> 4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in

> excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

> 5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger

brother

> or sister at all. he is the youngest)

> 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

> heart attack as yet)

> 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

> hairgrowth)

>

> I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

> light as to why this native strayed away from all these generalised

> characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> >

> > -Dear Gurujiss,

> >

> > Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7

> > points" can be applied eyes closed.

> >

> > At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of

analysis.

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > RNW

> >

> > -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> > >

> > > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following

your

> > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

> > after

> > > everyone has had their say.

> > >

> > > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> stimulate

> > the

> > > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> > > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> > disposition

> > > of planets into account.

> > >

> > > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed

and

> > give

> > > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised

queries

> to

> > > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

> reasons

> > for

> > > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> > >

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > >

> > > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this

native

> is

> > > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> > sign.

> > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> > >

> > > 2) He will have a good wife.

> > >

> > > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

> why

> > do

> > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

> force

> > > here?

> > >

> > > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> > attractive

> > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I

have

> > found

> > > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> > hidden

> > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> > usually

> > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good

> at

> > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

> heart.

> > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

> it

> > > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

> light

> > by

> > > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

> their

> > > experiences or views in this regard.

> > >

> > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > >

> > > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

> harder

> > > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> > Saturn).

> > >

> > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > responsibilities at home.

> > >

> > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> > fathers

> > > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

> born

> > with

> > > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> > father

> > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

> father.

> > > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

> life

> > (but

> > > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> > sure..

> > > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with

his

> > > father until and unless there are other moderating influences

in

> > the

> > > individual horoscope.

> > >

> > > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent

astrologer

> > from

> > > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries

ascendant.

> He

> > > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

> tempered

> > > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> > Hanuman

> > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence

> of

> > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence

of

> > His

> > > father - Shri Kesari.

> > >

> > > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it

is

> > > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> > >

> > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > >

> > > Experience has proved that this is the case in most

cases.

> I

> > > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> > his/her

> > > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

> native.

> > > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> > native

> > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> > never

> > > gets diminished nevertheless.

> > >

> > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

> age.

> > >

> > > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend

to

> be

> > > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> > >

> > > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate

> a

> > lot

> > > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

> them.

> > >

> > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> > >

> > > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

> natives

> > with

> > > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

> middle

> > > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

> principles.

> > >

> > > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

> relationship

> > of

> > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the

12th

> > lord.

> > > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

> not

> > > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> > >

> > > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

> these

> > > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> > >

> > > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> > because

> > > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

> for

> > > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as

the

> > > standard horoscope.

> > >

> > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> > interesting

> > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> > karakas

> > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> > bhava

> > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> > >

> > > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> > srinadhji.

> > >

> > > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

> only

> > go

> > > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> >

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January 7, 2006

A good example. Predictions can never be generalised this way. Otherwise, we can

divide the whole population in just 12 parts and predict their future. Even Rasi

chart is misleading sometimes and Navamsa has to be considered always. Birth in

a particular lagna indicates certain trends which are subject to modification.

Now, let me explain it further. For Aries lagna, wife is said to be good as 7th

lord is a natural benefic Venus. But, in the illustration given, see that the

same Venus is in the 6th house, is in a state of debilitation and 7th house is

aspected by two first rate malefics Mars and Saturn. Moreover, see that Venus

is in the constellation of its arch enemy the Sun. Added to this, see that it

is doubly important as Venus is karaka for wife too. Will all this not have an

impact on his marital status ? Further, this is only 33% of the total picture.

Much more has to be considered further where correctness of TOB proves to be a

great constraint.

P.Kumar (Mumbai, India)

-

"panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 >

Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:55 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! - An exercise.

> dear friend RNW> > a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355

hours, guntur)> is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

> observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:> > 1. he would

probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest > and all brothers and

sisters are elders only)> 2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native

asked me not to > speak out on this issue)> 3. He will not be satisfied with

his job (he is highly satisfied > with his profession and takes pride in his

job)> 4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in >

excellent health condition and travels a lot too)> 5. Have more than one

younger brother/sister (no, no younger brother > or sister at all. he is the

youngest)> 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no >

heart attack as yet)> 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black

lush > hairgrowth)> > I would request all participants in this exercise to

kindly throw > light as to why this native strayed away from all these

generalised > characteristics of an aeries ascendant.> > with best wishes and

regards> arjun> > > vedic astrology, "renunw"

<renunw> wrote:> >> > -Dear Gurujiss,> > > > Interestingly I know a couple

of Aries ascendants to whom the "7 > > points" can be applied eyes closed. > > >

> At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of analysis.> > > >

Blessings> > > > RNW> > > > -- In vedic astrology,

"dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri.

Srinadhji:> > > > > > Please do not get upset that not many are participating

in this > > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up > > after

> > > everyone has had their say.> > > > > > All members should note that this

is just an exercise to > stimulate > > the > > > logical faculties based on

fixed astrological pointers. While > > > analyzing actual charts, you must

take the placement and > > disposition > > > of planets into account. > > > >

> > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and > > give >

> > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries > to > > >

enable other members to analyze it and give their logical > reasons > > for > >

> that. Kindly do not take offence.> > > > > > 1) He would probably be the

eldest.> > > > > > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this

native > is > > > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting

elder > > > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first > >

sign. > > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.> > >

> > > 2) He will have a good wife.> > > > > > This is subjective! What do

we mean by good wife... and > why > > do > > > you say that?...... Does not

karako Bhava Naasaya come into > force > > > here?> > > > > > But ofcourse,

you can say that the native will get an > > attractive > > > wife (Venus as 7th

lord). In my professional experience, I have > > found > > > that the marital

life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some > > hidden > > > frustration.

The interaction of the native with his wife is > > usually > > > blow hot/blow

cold type. They love their spouses and are good > at > > > cheering them.

Their spouses also love them with all their > heart. > > > But, their partners

often fall short of their expectations when > it > > > comes to qualities though

they may be viewed in a favourable > light > > by > > > others and the society.

Other members may also come out with > their > > > experiences or views in this

regard.> > > > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.> > > > > > You

may put it this way.... The person may have to work > harder > > > than others

to achieve his professional goals (influence of > > Saturn). > > > > > > 4)

His father would be short lived, and he would take the> > > responsibilities at

home.> > > > > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their > > fathers >

> > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives > born > > with

> > > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their > > father

> > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their > father. > >

> Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in > life > > (but

> > > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is > >

sure..> > > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his >

> > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in > > the >

> > individual horoscope.> > > > > > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy -

the eminent astrologer > > from > > > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born

under Aries ascendant. > He > > > almost worshipped his father though his

father was a short-> tempered > > > and authoritarian man. If you look at the

horoscope of Shri. > > Hanuman > > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is

based on some obscure > > > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know

the influence > of > > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the

influence of > > His > > > father - Shri Kesari.> > > > > > As far as taking

responsibilities at home is concerned, it is > > > correct. These natives are

the father-figures of the family.> > > > > > 5) He will have more than one

younger brothers/sisters.> > > > > > Experience has proved that this is

the case in most cases. > I > > > will add on that also. The native is highly

affectionate to > > his/her > > > siblings and the siblings are also equally

attached to this > native. > > > But, more often than not, some controversy in

the life of this > > native > > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally.

Their mutual love > > never > > > gets diminished nevertheless.> > > > > > 6)

There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle > age.> > > > > >

This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to > be > > > Type

A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and > > > competitiveness. This

often leads to heart maladies.> > > > > > The remedy for this would be for

these natives to meditate > a > > lot > > > and to let their steam off with

emphathetic persons around > them. > > > > > > 7) By middle age he will become

bald headed. etc.> > > > > > I will introduce the moderating element here!

Aries > natives > > with > > > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald

headed by > middle > > > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

> principles.> > > > > > I have another interesting note to add regarding the >

relationship > > of > > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the

significator of > > > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also

the 12th > > lord. > > > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru

about whom > not > > > many people know of.... or they are self-made!> > > > >

> You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, > these > > >

persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.> > > > > > By the way,

Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities > > because > > > in this

case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is > for > > > this reason

that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the > > > standard horoscope.>

> > > > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have > >

interesting > > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> > karakas > > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> > bhava > > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.> > > > > > I

am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas > > srinadhji.> > > > >

> Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and > only > > go >

> > by the first principles as you have rightly done.> > > > > > Blessed be.> >

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January 7, 2006

Dear Pandit ji

Namaste.Thanks for your understanding and valuable guidance.

Results given for various lagnas and planetary placements in signs w.r to a

particular lagna are ignored or taken in a lighter sense due to a generality in

their nature.Trying to find the rational behind the said results will help us in

understanding astrology better as compared to the above said negligence.As you

have rightly said they are filters,helping us in arriving at the right

judgement.Graha karakatwas and functional and natural roles when combined with

the numerous filter levels,will give a polished finishing.

Sun gets exalted in lagna.Exaltation is the most congenial environment for a

planet.Sun is King and authority.Aries provides an environment where Sun can

feel exalted.From this we can understand an Aries individual.

Mars feels debilitated at home(4th here).This shows the general mental happiness

of the Aries individual,while at home.Aries individual feels happy when engaged

in action - exalted in karma sthana.They may like gardening or agriculture.They

ike adventure and has energy - Makara being an earthy rashi and being the 10th

house.Also the environment provided by mother(4th house) is not comfortable for

the individual.

They like to dominate - Sun is the budhi lord and he is exalted in Aries

Lagna.Thus we have to understand Aries individuals and should be considerate.

They are highly emotional,and there mental state is very volatile - Chandra

lording manasthana.(Later on seeing the strength of chandra we can fine tune

this understanding).

Shukra the romantic graha feels happy in the 12th house - the house of bed

pleasures.As shukra is kalathra natha for aries,a friendly environment is

provided for spouse in the said matters.

Now there can be numerous similar permutation combinations,available for a

single lagna.When modification factors such as graha sthithi,graha drishti,graha

bala,rashi/graha sambandha,functional and natural qualities,amshas or divisions

attained by bhava lords etc are applied the understanding of a jataka is

complete.

For example classics say Chandra with strength in the 4th and simultaneously

occuppying a watery navamsha,with a strong planet in lagna and without malefics

in kendras, will produce a king.Chandra has digbala in the 4th house and watery

navamsha will enhance its strength further.Strength of mind and strength of

lagna are the factors here.When we know the basic conditions for individual

lagnas,we can add on the additional points and reach correct conclusions.

i am pretty sure, this exercise will storm the brains of numerous leanred souls

of this group and will result in valuable contriutions.In the end we all may

master the art of judgement using simple classical principles and correct usage

of amshas etc.At the moment some of us are having concerns regarding the

exercise.In the due course we all will know what the real intention is.

Thanks a lot for Sreenadh and other members for sharing their valuable

understandings.

Respect

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

>

> Vijaydas,

>

> I agree with your take on this. Think of these as filters on a camera lense.

> There are many filters in jyotish. What is being done here is the zeroth

> order filter. Rashi tatwa ? What should be general characteristics if one

> says I am Mesh lagna or Mesh rashi ?

>

> Similarly one has graha tatwas. Then one has to merge rashi tatwa and graha

> tatwa, then the lordships etc.

>

> I think this is a great exercise and I would recommend this to anyone

> starting out, and to even those who have experience. This will make refresh

> ones fundamentals and those who go into plethora of complexicity for no

> reason at all will be surprised to see how a through analysis of rashi chart

> alone can get you so much information.

>

> Good job Sreenadh.Keep it up

>

> ...

>

> On 1/7/06, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh ji

> >

> > Thanks for your kind understanding.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > Dear Karthik

> >

> > This is just the first step. Modification factors will be taken into

> > account in a step by step fashion,before arriving at final judgements.Ifeel

Sreenadh is trying to share the traditional systematic way of

> > approaching a horoscope.Pls give a patient ear .

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kartheek_v2000" kartheek_v2000

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Aries LAGNA

> > >

> > > Aries lagna topic without planets and bhavas is like discussing

> > > Mahabharat without any charecters.

> > > wonder how you do it

> > >

> > > Kartheek

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramesh ji

> > > >

> > > > If i am allowed to intervene.

> > > > The name of this whole exercise,is ''predict with Lagna alone''.I

> > > feel the purpose is to study the effects of various rashis coming as

> > > Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is understood in relation

> > > with the nature of other rashis taking the role of remaining

> > > 11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra parameters.We

> > > are not even considering planetary placements at this stage.It may be

> > > worth listening to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.

> > > > Regarding vargas kindly study shadbalas.Please see where bhavas are

> > > taken for finding digbala,bhava ala etc.

> > > >

> > > > Kind regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

> > > ramesh.gangaramani wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > > > It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L. Also A3

> > > placement

> > > > > w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling. How

> > > are the

> > > > > corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd

> > > sign and

> > > > > sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3 may

> > > also give

> > > > > some clue.

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Ramesh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna

> > > alone!!! - An

> > > > > exercise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt

> > > Aries Lagna?

> > > > > The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but the

> > > person,

> > > > > though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is jealous of

> > > her(!). I

> > > > > mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship. Can I

> > > conclude it

> > > > > is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey of

> > > Mars? Two

> > > > > other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not much

> > > attached to

> > > > > their co-borns.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I am wrong pls correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" sreelid

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > > > > > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value.

> > > If

> > > > > > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever

> > > > > you

> > > > > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART.

> > > And

> > > > > the

> > > > > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is

> > > understanding

> > > > > the

> > > > > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

> > > fundamentals.

> > > > > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> > > > > balas,

> > > > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

> > > with

> > > > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> > > confusion.

> > > > > > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those

> > > various

> > > > > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that

> > > let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

> > > > > Instead

> > > > > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also

> > > just

> > > > > a

> > > > > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to

> > > the

> > > > > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

> > > > > going

> > > > > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

> > > > > answer

> > > > > > some more questions.

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

> > > not

> > > > > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> > > classics

> > > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > > > > contradictory.

> > > > > > I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > > > > > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> > > objective

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > > > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to

> > > the

> > > > > > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is

> > > NOT

> > > > > > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

> > > > > which

> > > > > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no

> > > balas,

> > > > > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> > > > > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

> > > > > about

> > > > > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system

> > > of

> > > > > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!!

> > > NOT a

> > > > > > new system!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

> > > one

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

> > > case.

> > > > > > I can understand you. But there may be others who can

> > > really

> > > > > > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. .

> > > Understanding

> > > > > the

> > > > > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once

> > > > > the

> > > > > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent,

> > > then it

> > > > > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > > > > > You said:

> > > > > > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

> > > whatever

> > > > > > > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them are by

> > > default

> > > > > > > present and not something going to happen in future (like

> > > boldness,

> > > > > > > being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > > > That means you never read that mail with attention.

> > > Considering

> > > > > my

> > > > > > first mail, I said that:

> > > > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > > > > 2) He will have a good wife

> > > > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > > > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > > > > responsibilities at home.

> > > > > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

> > > > > age.

> > > > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How many of

> > > them

> > > > > > are the default present and not something going

> > > > > to

> > > > > > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25)

> > > comes

> > > > > to

> > > > > > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it

> > > not

> > > > > > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

> > > > > attack

> > > > > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > > > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > > > > alone.

> > > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > > > > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from

> > > the

> > > > > > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact

> > > that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise. But

> > > feel free,

> > > > > > and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there may be

> > > others

> > > > > > who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. . My

> > > regards to

> > > > > > your efforts to understand this basic issue

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Maniv,

> > > > > > you said

> > > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

> > > analysis

> > > > > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> > > reference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

> > > practice!!! It

> > > > > IS

> > > > > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> > > > > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a

> > > new

> > > > > feat

> > > > > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> > > > > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to

> > > learn

> > > > > > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the

> > > Natal

> > > > > > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

> > > speaking

> > > > > > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> > > > > > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with

> > > that

> > > > > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

> > > > > since

> > > > > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> > > > > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RNU,

> > > > > > You asked:

> > > > > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > > > > > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic

> > > layout.

> > > > > All

> > > > > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction

> > > is

> > > > > > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas

> > > etc.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

> > > > > apply

> > > > > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding

> > > the

> > > > > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,

> > > > > since

> > > > > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> > > > > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR

> > > ji,

> > > > > > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why

> > > you

> > > > > are

> > > > > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel

> > > sad

> > > > > > because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e.

> > > Ar

> > > > > Asc,

> > > > > > and is going to the side tracks.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "renunw" renunw

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > please explain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > blessings

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RNW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> > > > > maniv1321

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

> > > analysis

> > > > > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> > > reference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maniv

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

> > > one

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

> > > case.

> > > > > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most

> > > of

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

> > > future

> > > > > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > > > > alone.

> > > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear friend vinkum

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> > > objective

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various

> > > ways

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

> > > > > tarot

> > > > > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

> > > therapists,

> > > > > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions

> > > and

> > > > > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

> > > medicine

> > > > > too,

> > > > > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

> > > homeopathy,

> > > > > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > > > > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks.

> > > we

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another.

> > > off

> > > > > late

> > > > > > > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer

> > > to do

> > > > > > > some value addition in his services and give value for his

> > > > > money.

> > > > > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days

> > > even

> > > > > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember

> > > a

> > > > > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

> > > displayed

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > > > > vinkum111

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> > > > > balas,

> > > > > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> > > > > confusion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vinkum

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking

> > > only to

> > > > > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

> > > not

> > > > > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> > > classics

> > > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > > > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

> > > > > pain

> > > > > > > or suffering.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > sreelid

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna

> > > is

> > > > > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others

> > > states

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > applicable

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is

> > > right

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

> > > sign+house

> > > > > > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign.

> > > Moon

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

> > > > > (even

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the

> > > characteristics of

> > > > > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > > > > > > nothing!!! So

> > > > > > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > > > > > > predictions!!!

> > > > > > > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > > > > > > prediction,

> > > > > > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

> > > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna

> > > is

> > > > > > > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore

> > > when

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

> > > bhava

> > > > > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting

> > > with

> > > > > Ar

> > > > > > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > > > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > > > > > > placed in

> > > > > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

> > > > > (The

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of

> > > Su

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Ar.

> > > > > > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying

> > > to

> > > > > > > start

> > > > > > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying

> > > to

> > > > > > > populate

> > > > > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > > > > > > them!!!

> > > > > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that

> > > individual,

> > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > > > > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and

> > > trying to

> > > > > > > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

> > > > > squared

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

> > > > > useless

> > > > > > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > > > > related

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

> > > predict

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't

> > > send

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

> > > answer

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent.

> > > So my

> > > > > > > gurugi

> > > > > > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on

> > > the

> > > > > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

> > > > > sign,

> > > > > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will

> > > have

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The

> > > shape

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> > > > > instrument.

> > > > > > > So I

> > > > > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the

> > > other

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

> > > and

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > > > > > > younger

> > > > > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as

> > > well.

> > > > > > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers

> > > and

> > > > > > > sisters

> > > > > > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please

> > > come

> > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic

> > > and

> > > > > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to

> > > make

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > > > > > > correct or

> > > > > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > > > > > > joyfully

> > > > > > > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love, Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me

> > > ask

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

> > > > > (moon

> > > > > > > > sign)?

> > > > > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star)

> > > and

> > > > > 99%

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people,

> > > is

> > > > > > > true in

> > > > > > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would

> > > like

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > add,

> > > > > > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4. Bold and

> > > > > > > > > courageous.

> > > > > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!) 6.

> > > (Never

> > > > > > > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short

> > > lived).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > > > > sreelid

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

> > > Exaltation

> > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except

> > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

> > > Forget

> > > > > > > the D-

> > > > > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

> > > the

> > > > > > > Legna

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important

> > > to us

> > > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

> > > newer

> > > > > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

> > > described

> > > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of

> > > (Sign,

> > > > > > > Houses,

> > > > > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > > > > > > participating

> > > > > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

> > > sh!!!! I

> > > > > > > plan

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes. Let

> > > us start

> > > > > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

> > > > > food,

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

> > > > > group,

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

> > > > > lower

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to

> > > the

> > > > > > > upper

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc

> > > etc Lord

> > > > > > > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive, would

> > > like

> > > > > > > > > > weapons and

> > > > > > > fights,

> > > > > > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one

> > > whom

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > love,

> > > > > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

> > > brothers

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> > > > > quality,

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

> > > > > 10th,

> > > > > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

> > > job.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

> > > job

> > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

> > > never

> > > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

> > > > > deserved

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

> > > either

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

> > > Supervisor,

> > > > > > > Driver,

> > > > > > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would

> > > be

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> > > > > especially

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

> > > mother

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

> > > > > (Money)

> > > > > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

> > > him,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting

> > > from

> > > > > > > Legna).

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

> > > > > (lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord)

> > > > > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha.

> > > It is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th.

> > > He

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

> > > Legna.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as

> > > indicated

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

> > > > > After

> > > > > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married

> > > life

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is

> > > Ar

> > > > > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion

> > > on

> > > > > Ar

> > > > > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

> > > > > only)

> > > > > > > Let

> > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

> > > > > single

> > > > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > > > (Ar

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> > > > > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such

> > > prediction

> > > > > was

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> > > such

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that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some hidden

frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is usually

blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light by

others and the society."The quality of the lord of Aries is to be in control.

Venus is very expressive and consistent and does not want to be controlled. The

reason of their frustration lies in the inherent problem of excessive control

that they wish to impose on others. This is especially true when Mars is

strong. Venus responds to beauty, character and Style and not to crude methods

that Aries man may employ. Aries is a position wherein Mars leads a frontal

assualt and not a hidden agenda. He/she is fighter with loads of courage and is

too Self respecting to ask for other's help. It wants to protect those who come

to him/her and is capable of sacrificing a lot. When he sacrifices, he/she

expects other to recognize it and he be loved for it. When this does not

happen, he is left unfulfilled and as you say it is marred by some hidden

frustration.

Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 1/7/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote:

dear friend RNW

a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours, guntur)

is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

speak out on this issue)

3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

with his profession and takes pride in his job)

4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years in

excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger brother

or sister at all. he is the youngest)

6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

heart attack as yet)

7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

hairgrowth)

I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

light as to why this native strayed away from all these generalised

characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

>

> -Dear Gurujiss,

>

> Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom the "7

> points" can be applied eyes closed.

>

> At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of analysis.

>

> Blessings

>

> RNW

>

> -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> >

> > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

> after

> > everyone has had their say.

> >

> > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

stimulate

> the

> > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> disposition

> > of planets into account.

> >

> > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

> give

> > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries

to

> > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

reasons

> for

> > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> >

> > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> >

> > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native

is

> > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> sign.

> > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> >

> > 2) He will have a good wife.

> >

> > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

why

> do

> > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

force

> > here?

> >

> > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> attractive

> > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> found

> > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> hidden

> > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> usually

> > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good

at

> > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

heart.

> > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

it

> > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

light

> by

> > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

their

> > experiences or views in this regard.

> >

> > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> >

> > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

harder

> > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> Saturn).

> >

> > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > responsibilities at home.

> >

> > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> fathers

> > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

born

> with

> > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> father

> > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

father.

> > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

life

> (but

> > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> sure..

> > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

> the

> > individual horoscope.

> >

> > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

> from

> > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant.

He

> > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

tempered

> > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> Hanuman

> > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence

of

> > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

> His

> > father - Shri Kesari.

> >

> > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> >

> > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> >

> > Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases.

I

> > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> his/her

> > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

native.

> > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> native

> > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> never

> > gets diminished nevertheless.

> >

> > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> >

> > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to

be

> > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> >

> > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate

a

> lot

> > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

them.

> >

> > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> >

> > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

natives

> with

> > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

middle

> > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

principles.

> >

> > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

relationship

> of

> > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

> lord.

> > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

not

> > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> >

> > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

these

> > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> >

> > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> because

> > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

for

> > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> > standard horoscope.

> >

> > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> interesting

> > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> karakas

> > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> bhava

> > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> >

> > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> srinadhji.

> >

> > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

only

> go

> > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

>

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dear friend bharat

shri dakshinamoorti ji already replied to my mail saying that my

submission of a query for discussion in aeries ascendant may be

discussed later when disposition results are discussed. that is how

a seasoned and matured astrologer participating in this exercise

reacts to a query like mine. instead you are feeling as if i am not

giving a chance to sreenadhji or are disturbing people like you.

please try to receive all members participation positively, for

every participating member is enjoying his participation just as the

way you are.

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar All

>

> Sri Arjun

>

> You are not giving a chance for Sri Sreenadh to start elaborating

on how the

> basis of Aries lagna starts to develop different results through

numerous

> permutations and combinations. What he has started off is

important and I

> applaud his time for the same. To start judging the result from

the 1st

> chapter of open discussions is not what is required off now.

>

> In my view, it would wise to wait and watch this thread and learn

from it.

> When definite results are talked about, then, test it against the

known

> people. Currently, as I understand it, is that he is discussing the

> possibilities that exist within the Aries lagna. If we see an

Aries lagna

> person, what to expect first. Then, applying permutations and

combinations

> predict the likely results.

>

> To those who do not believe in such an exercise, they are free not

to. But

> they shouldn't disturb others from learning. Frankly, I am

enjoying this

> discussion.

>

> To Sri Dakshina Astrologer

> "In my professional experience, I have found

> that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

hidden

> frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

usually

> blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

> But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

> comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light

by

> others and the society."

> The quality of the lord of Aries is to be in control. Venus is very

> expressive and consistent and does not want to be controlled. The

reason of

> their frustration lies in the inherent problem of excessive

control that

> they wish to impose on others. This is especially true when Mars

is strong.

> Venus responds to beauty, character and Style and not to crude

methods that

> Aries man may employ. Aries is a position wherein Mars leads a

frontal

> assualt and not a hidden agenda. He/she is fighter with loads of

courage and

> is too Self respecting to ask for other's help. It wants to

protect those

> who come to him/her and is capable of sacrificing a lot. When he

sacrifices,

> he/she expects other to recognize it and he be loved for it. When

this does

> not happen, he is left unfulfilled and as you say it is marred by

some

> hidden frustration.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 1/7/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend RNW

> >

> > a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours,

guntur)

> > is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

> > observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

> >

> > 1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

> > and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

> > 2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

> > speak out on this issue)

> > 3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

> > with his profession and takes pride in his job)

> > 4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years

in

> > excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

> > 5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger

brother

> > or sister at all. he is the youngest)

> > 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

> > heart attack as yet)

> > 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

> > hairgrowth)

> >

> > I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

> > light as to why this native strayed away from all these

generalised

> > characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> > >

> > > -Dear Gurujiss,

> > >

> > > Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom

the "7

> > > points" can be applied eyes closed.

> > >

> > > At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of

analysis.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > RNW

> > >

> > > -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> > > >

> > > > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in

this

> > > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following

your

> > > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round

up

> > > after

> > > > everyone has had their say.

> > > >

> > > > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> > stimulate

> > > the

> > > > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers.

While

> > > > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> > > disposition

> > > > of planets into account.

> > > >

> > > > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed

and

> > > give

> > > > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised

queries

> > to

> > > > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

> > reasons

> > > for

> > > > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> > > >

> > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this

native

> > is

> > > > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting

elder

> > > > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> > > sign.

> > > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> > > >

> > > > 2) He will have a good wife.

> > > >

> > > > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

> > why

> > > do

> > > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

> > force

> > > > here?

> > > >

> > > > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> > > attractive

> > > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I

have

> > > found

> > > > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by

some

> > > hidden

> > > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> > > usually

> > > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are

good

> > at

> > > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

> > heart.

> > > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations

when

> > it

> > > > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

> > light

> > > by

> > > > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

> > their

> > > > experiences or views in this regard.

> > > >

> > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > >

> > > > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

> > harder

> > > > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> > > Saturn).

> > > >

> > > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > > responsibilities at home.

> > > >

> > > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack

of a

> > > > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> > > fathers

> > > > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

> > born

> > > with

> > > > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with

their

> > > father

> > > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

> > father.

> > > > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

> > life

> > > (but

> > > > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing

is

> > > sure..

> > > > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with

his

> > > > father until and unless there are other moderating

influences in

> > > the

> > > > individual horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent

astrologer

> > > from

> > > > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries

ascendant.

> > He

> > > > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

> > tempered

> > > > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> > > Hanuman

> > > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some

obscure

> > > > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the

influence

> > of

> > > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the

influence of

> > > His

> > > > father - Shri Kesari.

> > > >

> > > > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned,

it is

> > > > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> > > >

> > > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > >

> > > > Experience has proved that this is the case in most

cases.

> > I

> > > > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> > > his/her

> > > > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

> > native.

> > > > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of

this

> > > native

> > > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual

love

> > > never

> > > > gets diminished nevertheless.

> > > >

> > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at

middle

> > age.

> > > >

> > > > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons

tend to

> > be

> > > > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > > > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> > > >

> > > > The remedy for this would be for these natives to

meditate

> > a

> > > lot

> > > > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

> > them.

> > > >

> > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> > > >

> > > > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

> > natives

> > > with

> > > > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

> > middle

> > > > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

> > principles.

> > > >

> > > > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

> > relationship

> > > of

> > > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator

of

> > > > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the

12th

> > > lord.

> > > > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about

whom

> > not

> > > > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> > > >

> > > > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

> > these

> > > > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> > > >

> > > > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> > > because

> > > > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It

is

> > for

> > > > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as

the

> > > > standard horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> > > interesting

> > > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> > > karakas

> > > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa

and

> > > bhava

> > > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> > > >

> > > > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> > > srinadhji.

> > > >

> > > > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

> > only

> > > go

> > > > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> > > >

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January 7, 2006

I dont see all of them correct, except one or two minor ones with in

the 1-5 you listed. I know atleast 3 mesha lagna people including me.

One of them is close to 45 years and no none of these are close.

-rAma

vedic astrology, pankaj sharma

<astrologerpankaj> wrote:

>

> Respected Guruji and fellows:

> I try to add something to this exercise

> 1.mony earning should be from foregin connections or medicines/

furntures/ hospitals/law/police.

> 2.Venus being lord of 2nd house and 7th house is markesh becomes

exalted in 12th house and debilitated in 6th house may suffer in a

foreign country but shuold enjoy sexual encounters. Problems relating

to stammering, eyes like cataract, skin, kidney,prostrate,

procreation and potency may occur when venus present in 6th house.The

native will be passionate

> 3. the native may be gainfully emplowed in business partnerships

relating to marriage palaces/ alcoholic beaverages/ iron industry or

gas station (petrol pump) and other significations of sani. Elder

siblings may spiritualist and dignified business people. there may be

some delay in marriage of elder sibling.

> 4.. Regarding Sun's karkattawas, being lord of fifth house

debitated in 7th house may give some sickness to childern, stubborn,.

troubled marriage due to dry or firey nature also may bad marriage

for aries peoples. Sun being exalted in lagan gives good digestion (

overall energetic temprament of native, royal and aristocratic

progeny). Native may attract wrath fron tax departmant due to 7th

house.

> 5.Moon beinf exalted in 2n house gives a beautiful and sobre

mother, may be inclined towards fine arts, rich, gain in property.

Moon being debilitated in 8th house may give hydrophobia.

>

> I am just putting in my limited knowledge of Jyotisha. I amy have

given some contradictory results but forgive me if i have not written

correctly.Sreenadh ji and Daksinamuthy ji, kindly correct me.

> Thanks in advance.

> Pankaj Sharma

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> Om Nama Shivaya:

>

> Dear Shri. Swee Chan:

>

> Your delineation may be on a humorous tone, but it has weighty

> material in it. In Astrology if you use your creativity along with

> logic, wonderful and sometimes astounding predictions can be made.

> Your post is an example for that.

>

> Now Shrinadhji and other members:

>

> I am giving hints to analyze further. I am just setting the view

> points for analysis and you have to analyze it and enlighten the

other

> seekers.

>

> Try to analyze the native's house aspects (location of the house,

> direction of the city/ province which will prove lucky for

residence)

> using first principles.

>

> Try to analyze the native's attitude towards money (2nd house

> significations); how will he gain money? Attitudes towards

debts?.....

>

> Courage of the native: (note that the 3rd house lord is exalted in

6th

> house- the house of enemies).

>

> Health problems that are probable (2nd lord Venus which is a

> significator of eye sight, and venus itself signifies eyes get

> debilitated in 6th house- the house of diseases to begin with...

> kindly use other significations also)

>

> Poorva punya: How is it likely to operate in the life of the

> individual - (5th lord Sun is exalted in lagna and debilitated in

7th

> house. Kindly analyze the significations that could be drawn from

> this). The same can be used to analyze the native's common sense

and

> intelligence.

>

> Likely injuries: (8th house significations)

>

> Friendship: (11th house aspects.... 11th lord is debilitated in

lagna

> while it is exalted in 7th house..... significations of this....)

>

> I have just given a few hints as fodder so that Shrinadhji and

other

> members can apply their logic and intuition along these lines to

> analyze it in depth for the benefit of everyone here.

>

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January 7, 2006

Dear members,

As an aris ascendent born, let me vouch Shri.Sreenad's statements on

the the same as below:-

1) He would probably be the eldest.

Yes

2) He will have a good wife.

Yes

3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

Yes

4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

responsibilities at home.

Absolutely Yes

5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

Yes, Two younger brothers

6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

Now coming to middle age only, so can not say now

7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

Yes

Shri.Shreenadh has started a valuable discussion and I wish to

continue it for the benefit of the learners.

Respects,

Anil

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar All

>

> Sri Arjun

>

> You are not giving a chance for Sri Sreenadh to start elaborating

on how the

> basis of Aries lagna starts to develop different results through

numerous

> permutations and combinations. What he has started off is

important and I

> applaud his time for the same. To start judging the result from

the 1st

> chapter of open discussions is not what is required off now.

>

> In my view, it would wise to wait and watch this thread and learn

from it.

> When definite results are talked about, then, test it against the

known

> people. Currently, as I understand it, is that he is discussing the

> possibilities that exist within the Aries lagna. If we see an

Aries lagna

> person, what to expect first. Then, applying permutations and

combinations

> predict the likely results.

>

> To those who do not believe in such an exercise, they are free not

to. But

> they shouldn't disturb others from learning. Frankly, I am

enjoying this

> discussion.

>

> To Sri Dakshina Astrologer

> "In my professional experience, I have found

> that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

hidden

> frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

usually

> blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

> But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

> comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light

by

> others and the society."

> The quality of the lord of Aries is to be in control. Venus is very

> expressive and consistent and does not want to be controlled. The

reason of

> their frustration lies in the inherent problem of excessive

control that

> they wish to impose on others. This is especially true when Mars

is strong.

> Venus responds to beauty, character and Style and not to crude

methods that

> Aries man may employ. Aries is a position wherein Mars leads a

frontal

> assualt and not a hidden agenda. He/she is fighter with loads of

courage and

> is too Self respecting to ask for other's help. It wants to

protect those

> who come to him/her and is capable of sacrificing a lot. When he

sacrifices,

> he/she expects other to recognize it and he be loved for it. When

this does

> not happen, he is left unfulfilled and as you say it is marred by

some

> hidden frustration.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 1/7/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend RNW

> >

> > a friend of mine (birth details 06th August 1970, 2355 hours,

guntur)

> > is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took his consent to narrate his

> > observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for open discussion:

> >

> > 1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this boy is the youngest

> > and all brothers and sisters are elders only)

> > 2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to

> > speak out on this issue)

> > 3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is highly satisfied

> > with his profession and takes pride in his job)

> > 4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years

in

> > excellent health condition and travels a lot too)

> > 5. Have more than one younger brother/sister (no, no younger

brother

> > or sister at all. he is the youngest)

> > 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had no

> > heart attack as yet)

> > 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he has thick black lush

> > hairgrowth)

> >

> > I would request all participants in this exercise to kindly throw

> > light as to why this native strayed away from all these

generalised

> > characteristics of an aeries ascendant.

> >

> > with best wishes and regards

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> > >

> > > -Dear Gurujiss,

> > >

> > > Interestingly I know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom

the "7

> > > points" can be applied eyes closed.

> > >

> > > At the same time I'd love to learn more on this method of

analysis.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > RNW

> > >

> > > -- In vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> > > >

> > > > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in

this

> > > > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following

your

> > > > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round

up

> > > after

> > > > everyone has had their say.

> > > >

> > > > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> > stimulate

> > > the

> > > > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers.

While

> > > > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> > > disposition

> > > > of planets into account.

> > > >

> > > > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed

and

> > > give

> > > > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised

queries

> > to

> > > > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical

> > reasons

> > > for

> > > > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> > > >

> > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this

native

> > is

> > > > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting

elder

> > > > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> > > sign.

> > > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> > > >

> > > > 2) He will have a good wife.

> > > >

> > > > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and

> > why

> > > do

> > > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into

> > force

> > > > here?

> > > >

> > > > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> > > attractive

> > > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I

have

> > > found

> > > > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by

some

> > > hidden

> > > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> > > usually

> > > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are

good

> > at

> > > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

> > heart.

> > > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations

when

> > it

> > > > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

> > light

> > > by

> > > > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

> > their

> > > > experiences or views in this regard.

> > > >

> > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > >

> > > > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

> > harder

> > > > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> > > Saturn).

> > > >

> > > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > > responsibilities at home.

> > > >

> > > > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack

of a

> > > > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> > > fathers

> > > > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives

> > born

> > > with

> > > > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with

their

> > > father

> > > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

> > father.

> > > > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in

> > life

> > > (but

> > > > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing

is

> > > sure..

> > > > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with

his

> > > > father until and unless there are other moderating

influences in

> > > the

> > > > individual horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent

astrologer

> > > from

> > > > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries

ascendant.

> > He

> > > > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

> > tempered

> > > > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> > > Hanuman

> > > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some

obscure

> > > > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the

influence

> > of

> > > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the

influence of

> > > His

> > > > father - Shri Kesari.

> > > >

> > > > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned,

it is

> > > > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> > > >

> > > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > >

> > > > Experience has proved that this is the case in most

cases.

> > I

> > > > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> > > his/her

> > > > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

> > native.

> > > > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of

this

> > > native

> > > > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual

love

> > > never

> > > > gets diminished nevertheless.

> > > >

> > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at

middle

> > age.

> > > >

> > > > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons

tend to

> > be

> > > > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > > > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> > > >

> > > > The remedy for this would be for these natives to

meditate

> > a

> > > lot

> > > > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around

> > them.

> > > >

> > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> > > >

> > > > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries

> > natives

> > > with

> > > > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

> > middle

> > > > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological

> > principles.

> > > >

> > > > I have another interesting note to add regarding the

> > relationship

> > > of

> > > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator

of

> > > > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the

12th

> > > lord.

> > > > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about

whom

> > not

> > > > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> > > >

> > > > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,

> > these

> > > > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> > > >

> > > > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> > > because

> > > > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It

is

> > for

> > > > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as

the

> > > > standard horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> > > interesting

> > > > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> > > karakas

> > > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa

and

> > > bhava

> > > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> > > >

> > > > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> > > srinadhji.

> > > >

> > > > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

> > only

> > > go

> > > > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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January 8, 2006

The disturbance sentence was not meant for you but for those who objected to

this thread. You never objected to this thread and therefore it was not for

you. Please read my response again if you want to be clear. Having said that,

let the thread proceed on astrology rather than such clarifications.Thanks and

RegardsBharatOn 1/8/06, panditarjun2004

<panditarjun2004 > wrote: