Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! - An exercise.

January 1, 2006

Dear frineds,

I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based on each

Asc. Here are the rules.

1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

2) No planetary position would be considered, except the natal Asc

(Legna).

3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction is

totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget the D-

Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the Legna and

the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us (in this

exersise).

4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described below, and

while making each prediction should explain why and how they made

that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding their

view.

Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign, Houses,

Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

Hope that at least some of them would be interested in participating

in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would stop in

the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I plan to

learn from that as well !!!

OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

Aris Lagna

----------

Shape: Got.

A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food, will

have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group, will

like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower part of

the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the upper part

(above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

Lord of Sign: Ma

He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and fights,

would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he love,

will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers and

sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house similar to

the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality, love

for home make him the 1st (eldest).

(Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But the

10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job will be as

good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never got a job

that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved a

better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor, Driver,

Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many above

him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is debilitated

in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

relations and that will not get due respect there, especially in

front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money) starting

from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from Legna). He

may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna lord)

is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is also

indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will have

less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He would

have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by the

lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

(loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

responsibilities of home at an early age.

He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible predictions that

could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar Ascendant.

So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only) Let us

understand the laws and system of prediction using the single Asc (Ar

alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in prediction

with other Ascendants.

While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would come

forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

predictions were wrong in real experience although the argument is

logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

Love,

Sreenadh

January 1, 2006

Dear Shri.Sreenadhji:

Thanks for starting a wonderful exercise. Infact,

this was the way we learnt astrology under Pandit.

R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. He sometimes used to give us

charts of the clients who contact him for consultation

without naming the client to protect their identity.

We can predict ANYTHING....Guruji did not mind even if

the prediction was totally off mark. The only

condition was that we should explain logic behind our

predictions, and yes... like you have requested, he

will ask each one to approach the horoscope from

different angles using all karakatwas of the planets

and the houses with respect to the lagna. When this

approach is used, the horoscope itself becomes a

magical mirror, and we get rare insights in to the

intricacies of the horoscope.

This is an excellent idea and your wonderful gift to

this forum on this new year.

Best regards,

--- Sreenadh <sreelid wrote:

Dear frineds,

I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to

predict based on each

Asc. Here are the rules.

1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

Exaltation &

Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

2) No planetary position would be considered, except

the natal Asc

(Legna).

3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

prediction is

totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

Forget the D-

Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

the Legna and

the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important

to us (in this

exersise).

4) All the participants should try to make newer and

newer

predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

described below, and

while making each prediction should explain why and

how they made

that prediction. In an effort to help others in

understanding their

view.

Objective: To understand the systematic method of

(Sign, Houses,

Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

Hope that at least some of them would be interested

in participating

in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise,

and would stop in

the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

sh!!!! I plan to

learn from that as well !!!

OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

Aris Lagna

----------

Shape: Got.

A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like

hot food, will

have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

group, will

like adventure, would like to be honored by others,

his lower part of

the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to

the upper part

(above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc

etc

Lord of Sign: Ma

He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons

and fights,

would be furious, will give away anything for the one

whom he love,

will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

brothers and

sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in

house similar to

the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

quality, love

for home make him the 1st (eldest).

(Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted

in 10th,

indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

job. But the

10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

job will be as

good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

never got a job

that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

deserved a

better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

either in

Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

Supervisor, Driver,

Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would

be many above

him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord)

is debilitated

in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

family

relations and that will not get due respect there,

especially in

front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

mother will

suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

and

significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

(Money) starting

from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

him, as

indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting

from Legna). He

may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the

Ma (lagna lord)

is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha.

It is also

indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th.

He will have

less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

Legna. He would

have lost his father in the early age itself as

indicated by the

lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the

12th

(loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

the

responsibilities of home at an early age.

He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is

Ve. After

marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married

life as

indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

predictions that

could be made after knowing that one person is born is

Ar Ascendant.

So I invite everybody to participate in this

discussion on Ar

Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

only) Let us

understand the laws and system of prediction using the

single Asc (Ar

alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts

in prediction

with other Ascendants.

While this discussion is in progress, I hope that

many would come

forward with statements such as, such and such

prediction was

accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

such

predictions were wrong in real experience although the

argument is

logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

Love,

Sreenadh

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January 1, 2006

Dear Mohan ram ji,

Good to know that your guru, Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI, followed the

same system in teaching. He is a very knowledgeable and meture person

as I could judge from some of the mails he posted in the forum, and my

regards to him.

BTW: I made some typos in my previous mail such as

1)But the 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

will *NOT* be as good as his expectations.

2) He will have less *HAIR* (not hear) only, by middle age, since Su

is exalted in Legna.Instead of *HAIR*, I typed hear. hhh!!!!.......

OK. Let us get on with the exercise. Hope that R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI ji

himself will also join this joyeous exercise so that we could learn

from him.

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, mohan ram <mohanraaam>

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri.Sreenadhji:

>

> Thanks for starting a wonderful exercise. Infact,

> this was the way we learnt astrology under Pandit.

> R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. He sometimes used to give us

> charts of the clients who contact him for consultation

> without naming the client to protect their identity.

> We can predict ANYTHING....Guruji did not mind even if

> the prediction was totally off mark. The only

> condition was that we should explain logic behind our

> predictions, and yes... like you have requested, he

> will ask each one to approach the horoscope from

> different angles using all karakatwas of the planets

> and the houses with respect to the lagna. When this

> approach is used, the horoscope itself becomes a

> magical mirror, and we get rare insights in to the

> intricacies of the horoscope.

>

> This is an excellent idea and your wonderful gift to

> this forum on this new year.

>

> Best regards,

> --- Sreenadh <sreelid> wrote:

>

> Dear frineds,

> I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to

> predict based on each

> Asc. Here are the rules.

> 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

> Exaltation &

> Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> 2) No planetary position would be considered, except

> the natal Asc

> (Legna).

> 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> prediction is

> totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

> Forget the D-

> Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

> the Legna and

> the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important

> to us (in this

> exersise).

> 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

> newer

> predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

> described below, and

> while making each prediction should explain why and

> how they made

> that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> understanding their

> view.

> Objective: To understand the systematic method of

> (Sign, Houses,

> Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> Hope that at least some of them would be interested

> in participating

> in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise,

> and would stop in

> the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

> sh!!!! I plan to

> learn from that as well !!!

> OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

>

> Aris Lagna

> ----------

> Shape: Got.

> A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like

> hot food, will

> have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

> group, will

> like adventure, would like to be honored by others,

> his lower part of

> the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to

> the upper part

> (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc

> etc

> Lord of Sign: Ma

> He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons

> and fights,

> would be furious, will give away anything for the one

> whom he love,

> will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

> brothers and

> sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in

> house similar to

> the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> quality, love

> for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted

> in 10th,

> indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

> job. But the

> 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

> job will be as

> good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

> never got a job

> that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

> deserved a

> better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

> either in

> Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

> Supervisor, Driver,

> Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would

> be many above

> him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord)

> is debilitated

> in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

> family

> relations and that will not get due respect there,

> especially in

> front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

> mother will

> suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

> and

> significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

> (Money) starting

> from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

> him, as

> indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting

> from Legna). He

> may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the

> Ma (lagna lord)

> is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha.

> It is also

> indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th.

> He will have

> less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

> Legna. He would

> have lost his father in the early age itself as

> indicated by the

> lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the

> 12th

> (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

> the

> responsibilities of home at an early age.

> He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is

> Ve. After

> marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married

> life as

> indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> predictions that

> could be made after knowing that one person is born is

> Ar Ascendant.

> So I invite everybody to participate in this

> discussion on Ar

> Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

> only) Let us

> understand the laws and system of prediction using the

> single Asc (Ar

> alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts

> in prediction

> with other Ascendants.

> While this discussion is in progress, I hope that

> many would come

> forward with statements such as, such and such

> prediction was

> accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

> such

> predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> argument is

> logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

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January 1, 2006

Respected Sir,

Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask one

thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi(moon sign)?

Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and 99% of

the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is true in

her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to add,

wrt to her, is

1. Highly dominating.

2. Has a good sense of humour.

3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

4. Bold and courageous.

5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

(One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

Regards,

jyothi

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear frineds,

> I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based on

each

> Asc. Here are the rules.

> 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the natal Asc

> (Legna).

> 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction is

> totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget the D-

> Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the Legna

and

> the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us (in

this

> exersise).

> 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described below,

and

> while making each prediction should explain why and how they made

> that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding their

> view.

> Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign, Houses,

> Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

participating

> in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would stop

in

> the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I plan to

> learn from that as well !!!

> OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

>

> Aris Lagna

> ----------

> Shape: Got.

> A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food, will

> have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group, will

> like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower part

of

> the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the upper

part

> (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> Lord of Sign: Ma

> He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and fights,

> would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he love,

> will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers and

> sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house similar to

> the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality, love

> for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But the

> 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job will be

as

> good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never got a

job

> that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved a

> better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor, Driver,

> Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

above

> him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is debilitated

> in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> relations and that will not get due respect there, especially in

> front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

starting

> from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from Legna).

He

> may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

lord)

> is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is also

> indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will have

> less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

would

> have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by the

> lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> responsibilities of home at an early age.

> He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible predictions

that

> could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

Ascendant.

> So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only) Let us

> understand the laws and system of prediction using the single Asc

(Ar

> alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in prediction

> with other Ascendants.

> While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would come

> forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> predictions were wrong in real experience although the argument is

> logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

January 2, 2006

Dear Jyothi ji,

Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states the

same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable to all

the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right that we

thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is the

significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon is the

significator of several things, and that sign+house in which (even if

it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies several

things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of nothing!!! So

the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

predictions!!!

In short it means that when we speak about predicting with Lagna

alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House prediction,

which is independent of all other parameters (like planets, Vargas

etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when we are

taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with Ar

Asc) applies there as well!!

Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is placed in

Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects (The same

predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in Ar.

In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to start

with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to populate

the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with them!!!

As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or combination in

the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual, which is

independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

predict something he will end up stating that something is squared to

something and such and such combination exists, which are useless

statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is interested is

in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related to

his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict the

life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send any

personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope after

hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer such

mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my gurugi

says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

horoscope.

For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya sign,

which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have more

than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape of the

sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical instrument. So I

predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other is a

girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and there

for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one younger

sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and sisters

may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come forward

and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make such

predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are correct or

not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you to

forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should joyfully

engage in this play I would suggest.

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

>

> Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask one

> thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi(moon

sign)?

> Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and 99% of

> the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is true in

> her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to add,

> wrt to her, is

> 1. Highly dominating.

> 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> 4. Bold and courageous.

> 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

>

> (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear frineds,

> > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based on

> each

> > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the natal

Asc

> > (Legna).

> > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction is

> > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget the D-

> > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the Legna

> and

> > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us (in

> this

> > exersise).

> > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described below,

> and

> > while making each prediction should explain why and how they made

> > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

their

> > view.

> > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign, Houses,

> > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> participating

> > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would stop

> in

> > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I plan

to

> > learn from that as well !!!

> > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> >

> > Aris Lagna

> > ----------

> > Shape: Got.

> > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food, will

> > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group, will

> > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower part

> of

> > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the upper

> part

> > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and fights,

> > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

love,

> > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers and

> > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house similar

to

> > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality, love

> > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But the

> > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job will be

> as

> > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never got a

> job

> > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved a

> > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor, Driver,

> > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

> above

> > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

debilitated

> > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially in

> > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> starting

> > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from Legna).

> He

> > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

> lord)

> > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is also

> > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

have

> > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

> would

> > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by the

> > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible predictions

> that

> > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> Ascendant.

> > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only) Let

us

> > understand the laws and system of prediction using the single Asc

> (Ar

> > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

prediction

> > with other Ascendants.

> > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

come

> > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > predictions were wrong in real experience although the argument is

> > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

January 2, 2006

dear friend

after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and navamsha

akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system which

is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only to

one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie charts,

barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like that

of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his pain

or suffering.

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

> Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states

the

> same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable to

all

> the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right that

we

> thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is the

> significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon is

the

> significator of several things, and that sign+house in which (even

if

> it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

several

> things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

nothing!!! So

> the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> predictions!!!

> In short it means that when we speak about predicting with Lagna

> alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

prediction,

> which is independent of all other parameters (like planets, Vargas

> etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when we

are

> taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with Ar

> Asc) applies there as well!!

> Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

placed in

> Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects (The

same

> predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in

Ar.

> In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

start

> with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

populate

> the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

them!!!

> As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or combination

in

> the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

which is

> independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> predict something he will end up stating that something is squared

to

> something and such and such combination exists, which are useless

> statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is interested

is

> in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related

to

> his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict

the

> life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send any

> personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope after

> hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

such

> mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

gurugi

> says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> horoscope.

> For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya sign,

> which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

more

> than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape of

the

> sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical instrument.

So I

> predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other is a

> girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

there

> for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

younger

> sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

sisters

> may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

forward

> and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

such

> predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

correct or

> not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you

to

> forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

joyfully

> engage in this play I would suggest.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask one

> > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi(moon

> sign)?

> > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and 99%

of

> > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

true in

> > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to

add,

> > wrt to her, is

> > 1. Highly dominating.

> > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> >

> > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear frineds,

> > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based

on

> > each

> > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

natal

> Asc

> > > (Legna).

> > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction

is

> > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget

the D-

> > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

Legna

> > and

> > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us

(in

> > this

> > > exersise).

> > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

below,

> > and

> > > while making each prediction should explain why and how they

made

> > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

> their

> > > view.

> > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

Houses,

> > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > participating

> > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would

stop

> > in

> > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

plan

> to

> > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > >

> > > Aris Lagna

> > > ----------

> > > Shape: Got.

> > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food,

will

> > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group,

will

> > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower

part

> > of

> > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

upper

> > part

> > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

fights,

> > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

> love,

> > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers

and

> > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

similar

> to

> > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality,

love

> > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But

the

> > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

will be

> > as

> > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never

got a

> > job

> > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved

a

> > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

Driver,

> > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

> > above

> > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> debilitated

> > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> > > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially

in

> > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> > starting

> > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

Legna).

> > He

> > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

> > lord)

> > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

also

> > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

> have

> > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

> > would

> > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by

the

> > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

predictions

> > that

> > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > Ascendant.

> > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only)

Let

> us

> > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the single

Asc

> > (Ar

> > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> prediction

> > > with other Ascendants.

> > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

> come

> > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

argument is

> > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

January 3, 2006

Dear Sreenadh,

As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference to

Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

Best wishes

Maniv

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear frineds,

> I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based on

each

> Asc. Here are the rules.

> 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the natal

Asc

> (Legna).

> 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction is

> totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget the D-

> Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the Legna

and

> the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us (in

this

> exersise).

> 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described below,

and

> while making each prediction should explain why and how they made

> that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

their

> view.

> Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign, Houses,

> Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

participating

> in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would stop

in

> the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I plan

to

> learn from that as well !!!

> OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

>

> Aris Lagna

> ----------

> Shape: Got.

> A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food, will

> have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group, will

> like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower part

of

> the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the upper

part

> (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> Lord of Sign: Ma

> He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and fights,

> would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

love,

> will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers and

> sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house similar

to

> the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality, love

> for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But the

> 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job will be

as

> good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never got a

job

> that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved a

> better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor, Driver,

> Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

above

> him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

debilitated

> in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> relations and that will not get due respect there, especially in

> front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

starting

> from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from Legna).

He

> may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

lord)

> is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is also

> indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

have

> less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

would

> have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by the

> lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> responsibilities of home at an early age.

> He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible predictions

that

> could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

Ascendant.

> So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only) Let

us

> understand the laws and system of prediction using the single Asc

(Ar

> alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

prediction

> with other Ascendants.

> While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

come

> forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> predictions were wrong in real experience although the argument is

> logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

January 3, 2006

---Dear Gurujis

According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that all

Aries beings undergo the same fate?

please explain.

thanks

blessings

RNW

In vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference to

> Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Maniv

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear frineds,

> > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based on

> each

> > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the natal

> Asc

> > (Legna).

> > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction is

> > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget the D-

> > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the Legna

> and

> > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us (in

> this

> > exersise).

> > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described below,

> and

> > while making each prediction should explain why and how they made

> > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

> their

> > view.

> > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign, Houses,

> > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> participating

> > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would

stop

> in

> > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I plan

> to

> > learn from that as well !!!

> > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> >

> > Aris Lagna

> > ----------

> > Shape: Got.

> > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food,

will

> > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group, will

> > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower

part

> of

> > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the upper

> part

> > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and fights,

> > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

> love,

> > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers and

> > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house similar

> to

> > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality,

love

> > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But the

> > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job will

be

> as

> > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never got a

> job

> > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved a

> > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

Driver,

> > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

> above

> > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> debilitated

> > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially in

> > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> starting

> > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from Legna).

> He

> > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

> lord)

> > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is also

> > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

> have

> > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

> would

> > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by the

> > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible predictions

> that

> > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> Ascendant.

> > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only) Let

> us

> > understand the laws and system of prediction using the single Asc

> (Ar

> > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> prediction

> > with other Ascendants.

> > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

> come

> > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > predictions were wrong in real experience although the argument

is

> > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

January 3, 2006

Hello Panditarjun,

You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas,

padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

Vinkum

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

> etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

which

> is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only to

> one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

>

> at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like that

> of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

pain

> or suffering.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states

> the

> > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable

to

> all

> > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right

that

> we

> > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is

the

> > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon

is

> the

> > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

(even

> if

> > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> several

> > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> nothing!!! So

> > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > predictions!!!

> > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

Lagna

> > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> prediction,

> > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

Vargas

> > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when

we

> are

> > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with

Ar

> > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> placed in

> > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

(The

> same

> > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in

> Ar.

> > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> start

> > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> populate

> > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> them!!!

> > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

combination

> in

> > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> which is

> > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> > predict something he will end up stating that something is

squared

> to

> > something and such and such combination exists, which are

useless

> > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

interested

> is

> > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related

> to

> > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict

> the

> > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send

any

> > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

after

> > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

> such

> > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

> gurugi

> > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> > horoscope.

> > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

sign,

> > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

> more

> > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape

of

> the

> > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

instrument.

> So I

> > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other is

a

> > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

> there

> > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> younger

> > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> sisters

> > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

> forward

> > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> such

> > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> correct or

> > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you

> to

> > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> joyfully

> > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask

one

> > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

(moon

> > sign)?

> > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and

99%

> of

> > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

> true in

> > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to

> add,

> > > wrt to her, is

> > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > >

> > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > jyothi

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> <sreelid>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

based

> on

> > > each

> > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> natal

> > Asc

> > > > (Legna).

> > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction

> is

> > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget

> the D-

> > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

> Legna

> > > and

> > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us

> (in

> > > this

> > > > exersise).

> > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> below,

> > > and

> > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how they

> made

> > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

understanding

> > their

> > > > view.

> > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> Houses,

> > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > participating

> > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

would

> stop

> > > in

> > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

> plan

> > to

> > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > ----------

> > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

food,

> will

> > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group,

> will

> > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

lower

> part

> > > of

> > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> upper

> > > part

> > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

> fights,

> > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom

he

> > love,

> > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers

> and

> > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> similar

> > to

> > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

quality,

> love

> > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

10th,

> > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job.

But

> the

> > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

> will be

> > > as

> > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never

> got a

> > > job

> > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

deserved

> a

> > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either

in

> > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

> Driver,

> > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be

many

> > > above

> > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > debilitated

> > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

family

> > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

especially

> in

> > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother

will

> > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> > > starting

> > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him,

as

> > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> Legna).

> > > He

> > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

(lagna

> > > lord)

> > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

> also

> > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He

will

> > have

> > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna.

He

> > > would

> > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by

> the

> > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

After

> > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> predictions

> > > that

> > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > Ascendant.

> > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on

Ar

> > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only)

> Let

> > us

> > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

single

> Asc

> > > (Ar

> > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > prediction

> > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

would

> > come

> > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction

was

> > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> argument is

> > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 3, 2006

Dear Sir,

I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one can

do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

are by default present and not something going to happen in future

(like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone.

If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

(Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

Regards,

Jyothi

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

> Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states the

> same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable to

all

> the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right that

we

> thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is the

> significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon is

the

> significator of several things, and that sign+house in which (even

if

> it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies several

> things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of nothing!!!

So

> the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> predictions!!!

> In short it means that when we speak about predicting with Lagna

> alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

prediction,

> which is independent of all other parameters (like planets, Vargas

> etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when we

are

> taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with Ar

> Asc) applies there as well!!

> Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is placed

in

> Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects (The

same

> predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in

Ar.

> In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to start

> with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

populate

> the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with them!!!

> As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or combination

in

> the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual, which

is

> independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> predict something he will end up stating that something is squared

to

> something and such and such combination exists, which are useless

> statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is interested

is

> in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related to

> his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict the

> life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send any

> personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope after

> hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer such

> mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

gurugi

> says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> horoscope.

> For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya sign,

> which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

more

> than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape of

the

> sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical instrument.

So I

> predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other is a

> girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

there

> for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

younger

> sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

sisters

> may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

forward

> and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make such

> predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are correct

or

> not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you to

> forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should joyfully

> engage in this play I would suggest.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask one

> > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi(moon

> sign)?

> > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and 99%

of

> > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is true

in

> > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to

add,

> > wrt to her, is

> > 1. Highly dominating.

> > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> >

> > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear frineds,

> > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based

on

> > each

> > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the natal

> Asc

> > > (Legna).

> > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction is

> > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget the

D-

> > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

Legna

> > and

> > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us (in

> > this

> > > exersise).

> > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

below,

> > and

> > > while making each prediction should explain why and how they

made

> > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

> their

> > > view.

> > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

Houses,

> > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > participating

> > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would

stop

> > in

> > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

plan

> to

> > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > >

> > > Aris Lagna

> > > ----------

> > > Shape: Got.

> > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food,

will

> > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group,

will

> > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower

part

> > of

> > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the upper

> > part

> > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

fights,

> > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

> love,

> > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers and

> > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

similar

> to

> > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality,

love

> > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But

the

> > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job will

be

> > as

> > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never got

a

> > job

> > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved

a

> > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

Driver,

> > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

> > above

> > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> debilitated

> > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> > > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially

in

> > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> > starting

> > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

Legna).

> > He

> > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

> > lord)

> > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

also

> > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

> have

> > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

> > would

> > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by

the

> > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible predictions

> > that

> > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > Ascendant.

> > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only)

Let

> us

> > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the single

Asc

> > (Ar

> > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> prediction

> > > with other Ascendants.

> > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

> come

> > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the argument

is

> > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

January 3, 2006

dear friend vinkum

each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. whatever

way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective of

the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various ways of

reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists, tarot

readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem therapists,

colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions and

they too have billions of believers and followers. in medicine too,

you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy,

unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks. we all

live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off late

the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do

some value addition in his services and give value for his money.

even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even

jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember a

great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently displayed at

a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology, "vinkum111" <vinkum111>

wrote:

>

> Hello Panditarjun,

>

> You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas,

> padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

>

> Vinkum

>

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

> which

> > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only

to

> > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> >

> > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

that

> > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

> pain

> > or suffering.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others

states

> > the

> > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable

> to

> > all

> > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right

> that

> > we

> > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is

> the

> > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon

> is

> > the

> > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

> (even

> > if

> > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > several

> > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics

of

> > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > nothing!!! So

> > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > predictions!!!

> > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

> Lagna

> > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > prediction,

> > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

> Vargas

> > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore

when

> we

> > are

> > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

bhava

> > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting

with

> Ar

> > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > placed in

> > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

> (The

> > same

> > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su

in

> > Ar.

> > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> > start

> > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> > populate

> > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > them!!!

> > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

> combination

> > in

> > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> > which is

> > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying

to

> > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

> squared

> > to

> > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

> useless

> > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> interested

> > is

> > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

predict

> > the

> > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send

> any

> > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

> after

> > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

> > such

> > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So

my

> > gurugi

> > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on

the

> > > horoscope.

> > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

> sign,

> > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will

have

> > more

> > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The

shape

> of

> > the

> > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> instrument.

> > So I

> > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other

is

> a

> > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

and

> > there

> > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > younger

> > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as

well.

> > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> > sisters

> > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

> > forward

> > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic

and

> > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> > such

> > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > correct or

> > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

you

> > to

> > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > joyfully

> > > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask

> one

> > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

> (moon

> > > sign)?

> > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and

> 99%

> > of

> > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

> > true in

> > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like

to

> > add,

> > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > >

> > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > <sreelid>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

> based

> > on

> > > > each

> > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation

&

> > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> > natal

> > > Asc

> > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

prediction

> > is

> > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

Forget

> > the D-

> > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

> > Legna

> > > > and

> > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to

us

> > (in

> > > > this

> > > > > exersise).

> > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

newer

> > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> > below,

> > > > and

> > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

they

> > made

> > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> understanding

> > > their

> > > > > view.

> > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> > Houses,

> > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > participating

> > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

> would

> > stop

> > > > in

> > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!!

I

> > plan

> > > to

> > > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > ----------

> > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

> food,

> > will

> > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

group,

> > will

> > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

> lower

> > part

> > > > of

> > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> > upper

> > > > part

> > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

> > fights,

> > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom

> he

> > > love,

> > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

brothers

> > and

> > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > similar

> > > to

> > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> quality,

> > love

> > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

> 10th,

> > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job.

> But

> > the

> > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

> > will be

> > > > as

> > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

never

> > got a

> > > > job

> > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

> deserved

> > a

> > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either

> in

> > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

> > Driver,

> > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be

> many

> > > > above

> > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

> family

> > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> especially

> > in

> > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother

> will

> > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

(Money)

> > > > starting

> > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

him,

> as

> > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> > Legna).

> > > > He

> > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

> (lagna

> > > > lord)

> > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It

is

> > also

> > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He

> will

> > > have

> > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

Legna.

> He

> > > > would

> > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated

by

> > the

> > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

> After

> > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life

as

> > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > predictions

> > > > that

> > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on

> Ar

> > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

only)

> > Let

> > > us

> > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

> single

> > Asc

> > > > (Ar

> > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > prediction

> > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

> would

> > > come

> > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction

> was

> > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

such

> > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > argument is

> > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 4, 2006

Dear panditarjun ji,

You said:

> after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

> etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and navamsha

> akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value. If

somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them. But

the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever you

name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART. And the

first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is understanding the

nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these fundamentals.

Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas,

> padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those various

balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that let us

try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point. Instead

of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also just a

participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to the

fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are going

away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to answer

some more questions.

You said:

> At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie charts,

> barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> contradictory.

) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

To Vinkum you wrote:

> each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. whatever

> way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective of

> the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> solutions is met, it does justice.

If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the

statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is NOT

another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on which

all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no balas,

vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking about

a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system of

divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!! NOT a

new system!!

Dear Jyothi ji,

You said:

> I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one can

> do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

I can understand you. But there may be others who can really

understand, and get benefited by this exercise. . Understanding the

nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once the

astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, then it

becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

You said:

> I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

> whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

> are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

That means you never read that mail with attention. Considering my

first mail, I said that:

1) He would probably be the eldest.

2) He will have a good wife

3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

responsibilities at home.

5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc

How many of them are the default present and not something going to

happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) comes to

you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it not

important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now if you

say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart attack

in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone.

> If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is trying

to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from the

basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact that you

fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise.

But feel free, and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier

there may be others who feel that this discussion is beneficial to

them. . My regards to your efforts to understand this basic issue of

Understanding the nature of Asc.

Dear Maniv,

you said

> As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference to

> Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old practice!!! It IS

the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new feat

accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to learn

about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the Natal

chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just speaking

about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with that

exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it, since

it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

Dear RNU,

You asked:

> According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that all

> Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic layout. All

the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction is

modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc. But

if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can apply

the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding the

basic layout, and NOT a new method.

I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad, since

I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR ji,

all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why you are

not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel sad

because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. Ar Asc,

and is going to the side tracks.

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

>

> ---Dear Gurujis

>

> According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that all

> Aries beings undergo the same fate?

>

> please explain.

>

> thanks

>

> blessings

>

> RNW

>

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference to

> Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Maniv

>

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one can

> do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of

them

> are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone.

> If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

>

> Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear friend vinkum

>

> each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. whatever

> way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective of

> the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various ways of

> reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists, tarot

> readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem therapists,

> colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions and

> they too have billions of believers and followers. in medicine too,

> you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy,

> unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks. we all

> live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off late

> the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do

> some value addition in his services and give value for his money.

> even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even

> jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember a

> great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently displayed at

> a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "vinkum111" <vinkum111>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Panditarjun,

> >

> > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas,

> > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

> >

> > Vinkum

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

> etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and navamsha

> akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system which

> is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only to

> one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

>

> at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie charts,

> barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like that

> of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his pain

> or suffering.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states

> the

> > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable to

> all

> > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right that

> we

> > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is the

> > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon is

> the

> > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which (even

> if

> > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> several

> > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> nothing!!! So

> > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > predictions!!!

> > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with Lagna

> > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> prediction,

> > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets, Vargas

> > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when we

> are

> > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with Ar

> > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> placed in

> > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects (The

> same

> > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in

> Ar.

> > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> start

> > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> populate

> > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> them!!!

> > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or combination

> in

> > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> which is

> > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> > predict something he will end up stating that something is squared

> to

> > something and such and such combination exists, which are useless

> > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is interested

> is

> > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related

> to

> > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict

> the

> > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send any

> > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope after

> > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

> such

> > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

> gurugi

> > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> > horoscope.

> > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya sign,

> > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

> more

> > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape of

> the

> > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical instrument.

> So I

> > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other is a

> > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

> there

> > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> younger

> > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> sisters

> > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

> forward

> > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> such

> > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> correct or

> > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you

> to

> > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> joyfully

> > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask one

> > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi(moon

> > sign)?

> > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and 99%

> of

> > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

> true in

> > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to

> add,

> > > wrt to her, is

> > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > >

> > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > jyothi

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> <sreelid>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based

> on

> > > each

> > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> natal

> > Asc

> > > > (Legna).

> > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction

> is

> > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget

> the D-

> > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

> Legna

> > > and

> > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us

> (in

> > > this

> > > > exersise).

> > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> below,

> > > and

> > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how they

> made

> > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

> > their

> > > > view.

> > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> Houses,

> > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > participating

> > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would

> stop

> > > in

> > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

> plan

> > to

> > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > ----------

> > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food,

> will

> > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group,

> will

> > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower

> part

> > > of

> > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> upper

> > > part

> > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

> fights,

> > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

> > love,

> > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers

> and

> > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> similar

> > to

> > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality,

> love

> > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But

> the

> > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

> will be

> > > as

> > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never

> got a

> > > job

> > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved

> a

> > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

> Driver,

> > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

> > > above

> > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > debilitated

> > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> > > > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially

> in

> > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> > > starting

> > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> Legna).

> > > He

> > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

> > > lord)

> > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

> also

> > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

> > have

> > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

> > > would

> > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by

> the

> > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> predictions

> > > that

> > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > Ascendant.

> > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only)

> Let

> > us

> > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the single

> Asc

> > > (Ar

> > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > prediction

> > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

> > come

> > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> argument is

> > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 5, 2006

/implicitly or explicitly/ for a valuable insight. I don't see real dilemma

here: all depends on level of aspired accuracy in the particular moment,

knowledge, experience- AND! -where one stands on the path of achieving/reaching

insightfulness granted by jyotish vidya, which is the most important /but set

aside by many, unfortunately/. Anna Sreenadh <sreelid > wrote: Dear

panditarjunha ji,You said:> after studying various types of predictive sciences

and in vedic > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and navamsha >

akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. You can, but I don't agree.

Every system has its own value. If somebody mastered these systems it is good,

and

appreciate them. But the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what

ever you name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART. And the

first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is understanding the nature of

each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these fundamentals. Look at what Vinkum says

to you:> You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas, >

padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with > you. They

will continue discussions even if that causes confusion. I agree with his

words. Therefore let us accept all those various balas, chakras, vargas,

divisional charts etc, but before that let us try to joyously understand the

basics, that was my only point. Instead of stating it, I have started an

Exercise, in which I am also just a participant. Let us play together, that was

my only appeal to the fellow players!!! All these discussions are side

track - we are going away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try

to answer some more questions.You said:> At the end of the astro analytical

exercise, the native is not > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of

various pie charts, > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all >

contradictory. ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!To Vinkum you wrote:>

each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. whatever > way the

astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective of > the querent in

finding reasons for his problems and getting > solutions is met, it does

justice.If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the

statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is NOT another

predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

which all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no balas, vargas

etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar divisions, Planets etc

comes into existence. I am just speaking about a piece of the Natal chart that

is Asc!!! It is just the system of divide and study - that is analytical study

of a component!!! NOT a new system!!Dear Jyothi ji,You said:> I didnt

understand what is there to predict in this. If it is > sharing the

characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one can > do. Otherwise I dont

get whats meant by prediction in this case. I can understand you. But there

may be others who can really understand, and get benefited by this exercise.

. Understanding the nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction.

Since once the astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, then

it becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.You said:> I

dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because > whatever are the

characteristics mentioned here, most of them > are by default present and not

something going to happen in future> (like boldness, being aggressive,

leadership qualities etc.).That means you never read that mail with attention.

Considering my first mail, I said that: 1) He would probably be the

eldest. 2) He will have a good wife 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the responsibilities at

home. 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters. 6) There is a

chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age. 7) By middle age he will

become bald headed. etcHow many of them are the default present and not

something going to happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25)

comes to you, and if you have this much

prior knowledge about him is it not important!!! Only a person blind to

astrology can say so!!! Now if you say that he will soon get a job, or that he

will have a heart attack in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!> And I

doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone. > If that is what

you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone. > (Otherwise also, I have to learn

a lot before I do!!)It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But

is trying to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from the

basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact that you fail to

understand the usefulness of this exercise. :)But feel free, and just ignore

this discussion, as I said earlier there may be others who feel that this

discussion is beneficial to them. . My regards to your efforts to understand

this basic issue of Understanding the nature of Asc.Dear Maniv,you

said> As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the > description

below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis > that is based solely on

the position of the signs with reference to > Aries in the first - this is truly

an amazing feat.Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old practice!!!

It IS the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the starting

point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new feat accomplished by

me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers follow. If only one understands

Natal chart, he can go on to learn about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to

understand the Natal chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

speaking about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with that exercise!!

I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it, since

it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a discussion of the

same may a lot of new bees. That is all.Dear RNU,You asked:> According to this

method are we to come to the conclusion that all > Aries beings undergo the

same fate? please explain.Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the

basic layout. All the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic

prediction is modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc.

But if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can apply the

modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding the basic layout,

and NOT a new method.I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel

sad, since I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR ji, all other

persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why you are not

coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel sad because this

discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. Ar Asc, and is going to the

side tracks.Love,Sreenadhvedic astrology, "renunw"

<renunw> wrote:>> ---Dear Gurujis> > According to this method are we to

come to the conclusion that all > Aries beings undergo the same fate?> > please

explain.> > thanks> > blessings> > RNW> vedic astrology,

"maniv1321" <maniv1321> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> > As an Aries ascendant,

I would like to say that I found the > description below extremely accurate. I

must praise your analysis > that is based solely on the position of the signs

with reference to > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.> > Best

wishes> > Maniv> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > > I didnt understand what is

there to predict in this. If it is > sharing the characteristics of Aries people

one knows, that one can > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in

this case. > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of

them > are by default present and not something going to happen in future>

(like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).> And I doubt if

prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone. > If that is what you

meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone. > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a

lot before I do!!)> > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly. >

>

Regards,> Jyothivedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:>> dear friend vinkum> > each branch of predictive

science is great in its own way. whatever > way the astrologer reads and

predicts a native, if the objective of > the querent in finding reasons for his

problems and getting > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing

various ways of > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

tarot > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem therapists, >

colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions and > they too

have billions of believers and followers. in medicine too, > you have so many

branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy, > unani, accupressure,

accupuncture etc. but the patient's only > concern is to find relief whichever

doctor's door he

knocks. we all > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another.

off late > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do >

some value addition in his services and give value for his money. > even

though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even > jyotishis have

been treated like this. but i always remember a > great quotation written by a

famous doctor prominently displayed at > a hospital. "I treats, He(god)

cures".> > with best wishes> arjun> > > vedic astrology,

"vinkum111" <vinkum111> > wrote:> >> > Hello Panditarjun,> > > > You are

right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas, > > padas, kalchakra

dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with > > you. They will continue

discussions even if that causes

confusion. > > > > Vinkumvedic astrology,

"panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004> wrote:>> dear friend> > after studying

various types of predictive sciences and in vedic > astrology itself various

balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts > etc., i have personally been

sticking only to the lagna and navamsha > akin to understanding a tree and its

fruits. Lalkitab system which > is gaining more popularity is for this reason

of sticking only to > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.> > at

the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not > interested in a

colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie charts, > barcharts, strength

graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics > what this denotes and what that

connotes which are all > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall

be

like that > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his pain

> or suffering.> > with best wishes> arjun> > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> > wrote:> >> > Dear

Jyothi ji,> > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is > >

applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states > the > > same)

Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable to > all > > the

planets!! Why?!! I will explain.> > Lagna is something without any

characteristics. (It is right that > we > > thing about many things using Lagna

House). Lagna by itself is the > > significator of nothing, but it is right that

Lagna sign+house > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign.

Moon is > the > > significator of

several things, and that sign+house in which (even > if > > it is lagna house or

anything else) it is posited signifies > several > > things. So the out put

would be a mix of the characteristics of > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it

it the significator of > nothing!!! So > > the only prediction, we are drawing

out langa is Sign+House > > predictions!!! > > In short it means that when we

speak about predicting with Lagna > > alone, we are speaking about

understanding the Sign+House > prediction, > > which is independent of all

other parameters (like planets, Vargas > > etc)!!! It is even independent of

Lagna itself, since Lagna is > > something without any special

characteristics!!! Therefore when we > are > > taking any house or sign as the

starting point for bhavat-bhava > > prediction, the same rule we master here

(while predicting with Ar > > Asc) applies there as well!! > > Think of

predicting about somebody's father for which Su is > placed in > > Ar. What we

are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects (The > same > > predictions

given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in > Ar. > > In short we are

going back to the basics!!! We are trying to > start > > with a blank slate,

slowly proceeding further, then trying to > populate > > the board with coins

(planets) and learning to predict with > them!!! > > As somebody else said,

few days back, every planet or combination > in > > the zodiac has something

unique to say about that individual, > which is > > independent of the

placement of all the other planets!!! > > If somebody is trying to consider

all parameters and trying to > >

predict something he will end up stating that something is squared > to > >

something and such and such combination exists, which are useless > >

statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is interested > is > > in

getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related > to > > his

life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict > the > > life

incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send any > > personal

mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope after > > hearing this!! I

am nor interested in, nor have time to answer > such > > mails). The huge

amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my > gurugi > > says, predict

something for each and every thing you see on the > > horoscope. > > For

example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya sign, > > which

indicates

a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have > more > > than one co-born

(since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape of > the > > sign is a man with

a weapon and a girl with a musical instrument. > So I > > predict that possibly

one of them is a boy and that the other is a > > girl. The 3rd house indicates

younger brothers and sisters, and > there > > for I will say that, he may have

one younger brother and one > younger > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the

lord of 6th house as well. > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his

brothers and > sisters > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.> > If you

feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come > forward > > and boldly

participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and > > intuition, since not

much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> such > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are > correct

or > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you > to > >

forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should > joyfully > > engage

in this play I would suggest. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi>

wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sir,> > > > > > Not participating in the

excercise, but let me ask one > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not

for Aries Rasi(moon > > sign)?> > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi

(Bharani star) and 99% > of > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for

Aries people, is > true in > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things,

I would like to > add, > > > wrt to her, is > > > 1. Highly dominating. > > >

2. Has a good sense of humour. > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door

games)> > > 4. Bold and courageous.> > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she

rarely cries!!)> > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)> > > >

> > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).> > > > > >

Regards,> > > jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" > <sreelid> > > > wrote:> > >

>> > > > Dear frineds,> > > > I invite you for a new

exercise. Let us try to predict based > on > > > each > > > > Asc. Here are the

rules.> > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation & > >

> > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.> > > > 2) No planetary position would be

considered, except the > natal > > Asc > > > > (Legna).> > > > 3) Forget the

Classics (even though this kind of prediction > is > > > > totally based on the

classics) and follow the logic. Forget > the D-> > > > Charts/Varga charts and

Planetary position. It is only the > Legna > > > and > > > > the 12 Bhavas

surrounding the Legna that is important to us > (in > > > this > > > >

exersise). > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described > below, > > >

and > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how they > made

> > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding > > their

> > > > view.> > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign, >

Houses, > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.> > > > Hope that at

least some of them would be interested in > > > participating > > > > in this

exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would > stop > > > in > > > >

the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I > plan > > to > > >

> learn from that as well !!! > > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start

with Aris Lagna.> > > > > > > > Aris Lagna> > > > ----------> > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food, > will > >

> > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group, > will > > > >

like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower > part > > > of >

> > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the > upper > > >

part > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc> > > >

Lord of Sign: Ma> > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons

and > fights, > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one

whom he > > love, > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc

etc.> > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers > and >

> > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house > similar > > to

> > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality, > love > >

> > for home make him the 1st (eldest).> > > > (Let us go a bit further). The

lord of Ar is exalted in 10th, > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated

person in his job. But > the > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna,

Indicating that his job > will be > > > as > > > > good as his expectations. He

will always feel that he never > got a > > > job > > > > that is up to the

quality of his ability, and that he deserved > a > > > > better job. Ma and Sa.

Indicates that he is working either

in > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor, > Driver,

> > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many > > >

above > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is > >

debilitated > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

family > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially >

in > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will > > >

> suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and > > > >

significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money) > > > starting > >

> > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as > > > >

indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from > Legna). > > > He

> > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna > > >

lord) > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is >

also > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will > >

have > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He > >

> would > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by >

the > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th > > > >

(loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the > > > >

responsibilities of home at an early age.> > > > He will have a good wife,

since the lord of 7th is Ve. After > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of

a happy married life as > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd

and 7th house. > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible >

predictions > > > that > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is

born is Ar > > > Ascendant. > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in

this discussion on Ar > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas

later only) > Let > > us > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction

using the single > Asc > > > (Ar > > > > alone), and then go on to implement

the same concepts in > > prediction > > > > with other Ascendants.> > > >

While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would > > come > > > >

forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was > > > > accurate

concerning this and this

horoscopes, such and such > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience

although the > argument is > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the

play. > > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >>

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January 5, 2006

Dear Sreenadh,

The main reason for my impressed response was due to the simplicity

and ease with which the analysis was made.

I have been studying Jyotish intensely for a year-and-a-half as a

hobby, and admit that I have often jumped to divisional charts,

alternate dasha and Tithi pravesha charts without dedicating

sufficient time to the Rasi charka. I am sure many members of this

group follow a similar procedure. This probably due a combination of a

lack of depth knowledge of the Rasi charka, impatience and pure

naivety.

This exercise has prompted the realisation that enough reference

points exists in the Rasi alone to enable accurate interpretations;

multiplying reference points through vargas etc just exhilarate the

confusion. I shall now endeavour to devote time to fully grasping the

fundamental depth of each house, sign and kartatkwa and apply the

techniques outlined in the exercise to as many charts as possible. I

hope that you will continue to guide lost beginners such as myself.

Personally, my father passed away when I was 3 years of age, relations

with my mother have always been strained, I have a good spouse, am the

eldest son (but have one elder sister) and have two younger siblings –

twins - that are male/female. My elder sister is also an Aries

ascendant and all of the above is applicable to her. The effectiveness

and influence of the Rasi chart is therefore underlined, and of course

further examining planetary placements, bhavat bhavam, aspects etc can

facilitate the fine tuning of the general ascendant based predictions.

A few points to contribute that I felt may be appropriate after

attempting this exercise:

1.Mars rules 1+8 indicating a severe illness/obstacle filed life

2.L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from foreign

country/culture and wealth after marriage (especially as L11 Saturn

exalts in the 7th)

3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path, but

one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the first)

and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a field

emphasising on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching, counselling etc).

4.Jupiter (L9/L12) debilitates in house 10, further indicating a

struggle/dissatisfaction in career

5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from Mothers side.

For education (generally in terms of degree/masters) I have read

equally convincing literature with regards to the 4th and 5th houses.

What method do you approach, and how would one apply it to the Aries

ascendant exercise?

Also, I look forwards with anticipation to the input of Pradeep in

this exercise, as this presents an ideal opportunity to highlight the

importance of the Rasi charka.

Thank you,

Maniv

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> wrote:

>

> Dear panditarjun ji,

> You said:

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value. If

> somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them. But

> the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever you

> name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART. And the

> first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is understanding the

> nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these fundamentals.

> Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas,

> > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

> I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those various

> balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that let us

> try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point. Instead

> of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also just a

> participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to the

> fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are going

> away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to answer

> some more questions.

> You said:

> > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory.

> ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> To Vinkum you wrote:

> > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. whatever

> > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective of

> > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > solutions is met, it does justice.

> If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the

> statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is NOT

> another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on which

> all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no balas,

> vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking about

> a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system of

> divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!! NOT a

> new system!!

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

> You said:

> > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one can

> > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> I can understand you. But there may be others who can really

> understand, and get benefited by this exercise. . Understanding the

> nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once the

> astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, then it

> becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> You said:

> > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

> > whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

> > are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> That means you never read that mail with attention. Considering my

> first mail, I said that:

> 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> 2) He will have a good wife

> 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> responsibilities at home.

> 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

> 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc

> How many of them are the default present and not something going to

> happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) comes to

> you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it not

> important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now if you

> say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart attack

> in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone.

> > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is trying

> to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from the

> basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact that you

> fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise.

> But feel free, and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier

> there may be others who feel that this discussion is beneficial to

> them. . My regards to your efforts to understand this basic issue of

> Understanding the nature of Asc.

>

> Dear Maniv,

> you said

> > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> > that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference to

> > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old practice!!! It IS

> the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new feat

> accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to learn

> about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the Natal

> chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just speaking

> about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with that

> exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it, since

> it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

>

> Dear RNU,

> You asked:

> > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that all

> > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic layout. All

> the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction is

> modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc. But

> if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can apply

> the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding the

> basic layout, and NOT a new method.

>

> I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad, since

> I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR ji,

> all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why you are

> not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel sad

> because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. Ar Asc,

> and is going to the side tracks.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw> wrote:

> >

> > ---Dear Gurujis

> >

> > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that all

> > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> >

> > please explain.

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > RNW

> >

> vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> > that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference to

> > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one can

> > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of

> them

> > are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna alone.

> > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> >

> > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend vinkum

> >

> > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way. whatever

> > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective of

> > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various ways of

> > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists, tarot

> > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem therapists,

> > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions and

> > they too have billions of believers and followers. in medicine too,

> > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy,

> > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks. we all

> > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off late

> > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do

> > some value addition in his services and give value for his money.

> > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even

> > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember a

> > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently displayed at

> > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vinkum111" <vinkum111>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > >

> > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras, balas,

> > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

> > >

> > > Vinkum

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system which

> > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only to

> > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> >

> > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like that

> > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his pain

> > or suffering.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states

> > the

> > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable to

> > all

> > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right that

> > we

> > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is the

> > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon is

> > the

> > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which (even

> > if

> > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > several

> > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > nothing!!! So

> > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > predictions!!!

> > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with Lagna

> > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > prediction,

> > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets, Vargas

> > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when we

> > are

> > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with Ar

> > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > placed in

> > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects (The

> > same

> > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su in

> > Ar.

> > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> > start

> > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> > populate

> > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > them!!!

> > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or combination

> > in

> > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> > which is

> > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> > > predict something he will end up stating that something is squared

> > to

> > > something and such and such combination exists, which are useless

> > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is interested

> > is

> > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is related

> > to

> > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict

> > the

> > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send any

> > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope after

> > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

> > such

> > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

> > gurugi

> > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> > > horoscope.

> > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya sign,

> > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

> > more

> > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape of

> > the

> > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical instrument.

> > So I

> > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other is a

> > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

> > there

> > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > younger

> > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> > sisters

> > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

> > forward

> > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> > such

> > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > correct or

> > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked you

> > to

> > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > joyfully

> > > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask one

> > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi(moon

> > > sign)?

> > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and 99%

> > of

> > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

> > true in

> > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like to

> > add,

> > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > >

> > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > <sreelid>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict based

> > on

> > > > each

> > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation &

> > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> > natal

> > > Asc

> > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of prediction

> > is

> > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget

> > the D-

> > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

> > Legna

> > > > and

> > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us

> > (in

> > > > this

> > > > > exersise).

> > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> > below,

> > > > and

> > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how they

> > made

> > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in understanding

> > > their

> > > > > view.

> > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> > Houses,

> > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > participating

> > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and would

> > stop

> > > > in

> > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

> > plan

> > > to

> > > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > ----------

> > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot food,

> > will

> > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a group,

> > will

> > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his lower

> > part

> > > > of

> > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> > upper

> > > > part

> > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

> > fights,

> > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom he

> > > love,

> > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers

> > and

> > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > similar

> > > to

> > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership quality,

> > love

> > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in 10th,

> > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. But

> > the

> > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

> > will be

> > > > as

> > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never

> > got a

> > > > job

> > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he deserved

> > a

> > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either in

> > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

> > Driver,

> > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be many

> > > > above

> > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the family

> > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there, especially

> > in

> > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother will

> > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house (Money)

> > > > starting

> > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him, as

> > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> > Legna).

> > > > He

> > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma (lagna

> > > > lord)

> > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

> > also

> > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He will

> > > have

> > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. He

> > > > would

> > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated by

> > the

> > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve. After

> > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life as

> > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > predictions

> > > > that

> > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on Ar

> > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later only)

> > Let

> > > us

> > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the single

> > Asc

> > > > (Ar

> > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > prediction

> > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many would

> > > come

> > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction was

> > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > argument is

> > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 5, 2006

Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up after

everyone has had their say.

All members should note that this is just an exercise to stimulate the

logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and disposition

of planets into account.

Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and give

my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries to

enable other members to analyze it and give their logical reasons for

that. Kindly do not take offence.

1) He would probably be the eldest.

Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native is

usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first sign.

Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

2) He will have a good wife.

This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and why do

you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

here?

But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an attractive

wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have found

that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some hidden

frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is usually

blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light by

others and the society. Other members may also come out with their

experiences or views in this regard.

3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

You may put it this way.... The person may have to work harder

than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of Saturn).

4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

responsibilities at home.

In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

"Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their fathers

are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born with

Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their father

and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their father.

Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life (but

it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is sure..

... the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

father until and unless there are other moderating influences in the

individual horoscope.

For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer from

Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant. He

almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-tempered

and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri. Hanuman

(we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence of

Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of His

father - Shri Kesari.

As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases. I

will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to his/her

siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this native.

But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this native

is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love never

gets diminished nevertheless.

6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to be

Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate a lot

and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around them.

7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives with

Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by middle

age. This is in conformity with standard astrological principles.

I have another interesting note to add regarding the relationship of

this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th lord.

So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom not

many people know of.... or they are self-made!

You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, these

persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities because

in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is for

this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

standard horoscope.

When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have interesting

possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural karakas

will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and bhava

karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas srinadhji.

Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and only go

by the first principles as you have rightly done.

Blessed be.

January 5, 2006

Dear Sir,

Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt Aries

Lagna? The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but

the person, though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is

jealous of her(!). I mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister

relationship. Can I conclude it is becuase the third lord from Aries,

Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two other people whom I know with Aries

Lagna are also not much attached to their co-borns.

If I am wrong pls correct.

Regards,

jyothi

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear panditarjun ji,

> You said:

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value. If

> somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

But

> the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever

you

> name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART. And

the

> first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is understanding

the

> nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these fundamentals.

> Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

balas,

> > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

> I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those various

> balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that let

us

> try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

Instead

> of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also just

a

> participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to the

> fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

going

> away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

answer

> some more questions.

> You said:

> > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory.

> ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> To Vinkum you wrote:

> > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

whatever

> > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective

of

> > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > solutions is met, it does justice.

> If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the

> statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is NOT

> another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

which

> all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no balas,

> vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

about

> a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system of

> divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!! NOT a

> new system!!

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

> You said:

> > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one

can

> > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> I can understand you. But there may be others who can really

> understand, and get benefited by this exercise. . Understanding

the

> nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once

the

> astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, then it

> becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> You said:

> > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

> > whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

> > are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> That means you never read that mail with attention. Considering

my

> first mail, I said that:

> 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> 2) He will have a good wife

> 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> responsibilities at home.

> 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc

> How many of them are the default present and not something going

to

> happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) comes

to

> you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it not

> important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now if

you

> say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

attack

> in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

alone.

> > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

trying

> to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from the

> basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact that

you

> fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise.

> But feel free, and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier

> there may be others who feel that this discussion is beneficial to

> them. . My regards to your efforts to understand this basic issue

of

> Understanding the nature of Asc.

>

> Dear Maniv,

> you said

> > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> > that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference

to

> > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old practice!!! It

IS

> the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new

feat

> accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to learn

> about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the Natal

> chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just speaking

> about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with that

> exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

since

> it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

>

> Dear RNU,

> You asked:

> > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

all

> > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic layout.

All

> the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction is

> modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc.

But

> if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

apply

> the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding the

> basic layout, and NOT a new method.

>

> I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,

since

> I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR ji,

> all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why you

are

> not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel sad

> because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. Ar

Asc,

> and is going to the side tracks.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> >

> > ---Dear Gurujis

> >

> > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

all

> > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> >

> > please explain.

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > RNW

> >

> vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> > that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference

to

> > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it

is

> > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one

can

> > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of

> them

> > are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

alone.

> > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> >

> > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend vinkum

> >

> > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

whatever

> > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective

of

> > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various ways

of

> > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

tarot

> > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem therapists,

> > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions and

> > they too have billions of believers and followers. in medicine

too,

> > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy,

> > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks. we

all

> > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off

late

> > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do

> > some value addition in his services and give value for his

money.

> > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even

> > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember a

> > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently displayed

at

> > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > >

> > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

balas,

> > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

with

> > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

confusion.

> > >

> > > Vinkum

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

which

> > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only to

> > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> >

> > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

that

> > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

pain

> > or suffering.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states

> > the

> > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable

to

> > all

> > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right

that

> > we

> > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is

the

> > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon

is

> > the

> > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

(even

> > if

> > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > several

> > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > nothing!!! So

> > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > predictions!!!

> > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

Lagna

> > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > prediction,

> > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

Vargas

> > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when

we

> > are

> > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with

Ar

> > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > placed in

> > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

(The

> > same

> > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su

in

> > Ar.

> > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> > start

> > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> > populate

> > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > them!!!

> > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

combination

> > in

> > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> > which is

> > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

squared

> > to

> > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

useless

> > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

interested

> > is

> > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict

> > the

> > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send

any

> > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

after

> > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

> > such

> > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

> > gurugi

> > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> > > horoscope.

> > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

sign,

> > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

> > more

> > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape

of

> > the

> > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

instrument.

> > So I

> > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other

is a

> > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

> > there

> > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > younger

> > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> > sisters

> > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

> > forward

> > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> > such

> > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > correct or

> > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

you

> > to

> > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > joyfully

> > > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask

one

> > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

(moon

> > > sign)?

> > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and

99%

> > of

> > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

> > true in

> > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like

to

> > add,

> > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > >

> > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > <sreelid>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

based

> > on

> > > > each

> > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation

&

> > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> > natal

> > > Asc

> > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

prediction

> > is

> > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget

> > the D-

> > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

> > Legna

> > > > and

> > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us

> > (in

> > > > this

> > > > > exersise).

> > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> > below,

> > > > and

> > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

they

> > made

> > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

understanding

> > > their

> > > > > view.

> > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> > Houses,

> > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > participating

> > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

would

> > stop

> > > > in

> > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

> > plan

> > > to

> > > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > ----------

> > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

food,

> > will

> > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

group,

> > will

> > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

lower

> > part

> > > > of

> > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> > upper

> > > > part

> > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

> > fights,

> > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom

he

> > > love,

> > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers

> > and

> > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > similar

> > > to

> > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

quality,

> > love

> > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

10th,

> > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job.

But

> > the

> > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

> > will be

> > > > as

> > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never

> > got a

> > > > job

> > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

deserved

> > a

> > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either

in

> > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

> > Driver,

> > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be

many

> > > > above

> > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

family

> > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

especially

> > in

> > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother

will

> > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

(Money)

> > > > starting

> > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him,

as

> > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> > Legna).

> > > > He

> > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

(lagna

> > > > lord)

> > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

> > also

> > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He

will

> > > have

> > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna.

He

> > > > would

> > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated

by

> > the

> > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

After

> > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life

as

> > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > predictions

> > > > that

> > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on

Ar

> > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

only)

> > Let

> > > us

> > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

single

> > Asc

> > > > (Ar

> > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > prediction

> > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

would

> > > come

> > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction

was

> > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > argument is

> > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 5, 2006

Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji,

Thanks for your kind encouragement. My regards to your

understanding. After reading the messages of you and Maniv I feel

that I have done a good thing by starting this exercise.

You said:

> All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> stimulate the logical faculties based on fixed astrological

> pointers. While analyzing actual charts, you must take the

> placement and disposition of planets into account.

Yes, I agree completely. It is good to hear you saying that, which

otherwise I would have said myself. Good to know that minds of

similar wavelengths exists.

Now coming to the subject of discussion, i.e. Aris Lagna:

I would gladly repeat your words:

=================================

> 1) He would probably be the eldest.

>

> Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native is

> usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

sign.

> Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

>

> 2) He will have a good wife.

>

> This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and why

do

> you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> here?

>

> But of course, you can say that the native will get an

attractive

> wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

found

> that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

hidden

> frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

usually

> blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

> But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

> comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favorable light

by

> others and the society. Other members may also come out with their

> experiences or views in this regard.

>

> 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

>

> You may put it this way.... The person may have to work harder

> than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

Saturn).

>

> 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> responsibilities at home.

>

> In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

fathers

> are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born

with

> Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

father

> and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their father.

> Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life

(but

> it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

sure..

> .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

the

> individual horoscope.

>

> For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

from

> Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant. He

> almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-tempered

> and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

Hanuman

> (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence of

> Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

His

> father - Shri Kesari.

>

> As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

>

> 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

>

> Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases. I

> will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

his/her

> siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this native.

> But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

native

> is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

never

> gets diminished nevertheless.

>

> 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

>

> This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to be

> Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

>

> The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate a

lot

> and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around them.

>

> 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

>

> I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives

with

> Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by middle

> age. This is in conformity with standard astrological principles.

>

> I have another interesting note to add regarding the relationship

of

> this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

lord.

> So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom not

> many people know of.... or they are self-made!

>

> You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, these

> persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

=================================

Good to hear your refined views on some of the possibilities!! My

comments follows:

2) He will have a good wife.

> Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> here?

"Karako bhava nasaka" is a controversial principle. Mihira (Varaha

hora) has stated that Ju in 5th is good for children. What ever that

be, it is better to keep classics out of such a simple

discussion. . Ma the Ar lord and Ve the 7th lord, forms a good

combination concerning the sex life is concerned. And as symbolized

by the Ram and the word kami, that is usually associated with Ar Asc,

this point get reinforced. And I am sure, you will agree on the fact

that Ve (7th lord) is a beautiful lady. . She has no interest in

the enemies of her husband as indicated by Ve debilitated in 6th

(enemy house of Ar Asc). She will stand with her husband in

difficulties as indicated by the exaltation of Ve in 12th, (i.e House

indicating difficulties and sadness) from Ar Asc. The qurent will

spend anything for her wife, as indicated by the same. (Ve exalted in

12th - expense for good karmas and wife). She supports the lovely

home life by her efforts and earnings as indicated by the lordship of

7th lord Ve in 2nd house as well. She is a good house with no job of

her own, as indicated by the lordship of 2nd house and the 10th lord

from 7th house debilitated in 2nd house form 7th (Not much income

from job). (Anybody can extend this analysis). The husband has a job

and income, and the wife is a loving and beautiful housewife!! They

have a good sex life!! Can't we agree that, he will have a good

wife.

> The native is highly affectionate to his/her

> siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this native.

> But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> native is caused by their siblings unintentionally.

> Their mutual love never gets diminished nevertheless.

I disagree with the last statement. That is "Their mutual love never

gets diminished nevertheless.". The lord of 3rd house Me is exalted

in 6th from Ar, indicating that his siblings have good connection and

friendship with the enemies of the native!! And that they themselves

become the enemies of the native, even though the native loves his

siblings very much. But we should remember that he is a very proud

person (as indicated by the exalted Su in Asc), who will not bow

before anybody, even if it is his siblings!! Also remember that he is

angry natured and stubborn, who will not like to alter his decisions

as indicated by the lordship of Ma in Asc. The only person who could

play football with the emotions of Ar Asc is his mother, as indicated

by the debilitation of Ma in 4th. The analysis could go on.

My regards to your knowledge. Even the above statements are not

actual disagreement with your view. But just shedding light on

some more areas. Love.

Dear Maniv ji,

Allow me to repeat your statements as well:

=============================================

1.Mars rules 1+8 indicating a severe illness/obstacle filed life

>

> 2.L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from foreign

> country/culture and wealth after marriage (especially as L11 Saturn

> exalts in the 7th)

>

> 3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path,

but

> one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the first)

> and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a field

> emphasizing on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching, counseling etc).

>

> 4.Jupiter (L9/L12) debilitates in house 10, further indicating a

> struggle/dissatisfaction in career

>

> 5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from Mothers

side.

=============================================

My comments follows:

> 2)L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from foreign

> country/culture.

Is it that wife from a distant place will not suffice?

> 3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path,

> but one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the

> first)and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a

> field emphasizing on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching,

> counseling etc).

He depends on the income from job than the money or property got

from his parents. That is my opinion. He starts his job with a low

income, (Sa debilitated in Asc) and later becomes an efficient

personality who has increased his own earnings with his own efforts.

(Sa exalted in 7th). He may even indulge in partnership business ir

share business which helps to increase in income to a substantial

amount. That is my view. Let others tell as which view is

correct.

You said:

> 5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from

> Mothers side.

I agree to an extend. But look at his own family - how ancient it

is!! (As indicated by 4th sign being a chara sign, and 4th lord being

Mo indicating parampara). It is an old/ancient family with a lot of

reputation in society! They had much land, (probably rise or wheat

cultivation fields as well) as indicated by 4th sign being a water

sign, and 4th lord exalted in 2nd. His father (Ju -9th lord), he (Ma -

Asc lord), and Su (5th lord) will keep up that reputation as

indicated by their friendship and similarity of nature!! Mo exalted

in 2nd indicates that he will get some inheritance from his mothers

side, even though in a later period in life, when that inheritance

becomes not at all important.!!

I was just encouraging you!! It is great effort!! Please continue, I

love your views!!! Love

Dear Jyothi ji,

Good to know that your attitude is changing.

Courage is what it takes to standup and speak. Courage is also what

it takes to sit down and listen! . Love.

Let me repeat your qn:

=============================================

> Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt Aries

> Lagna? The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but

> the person, though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is

> jealous of her(!). I mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister

> relationship. Can I conclude it is becuase the third lord from

> Aries, Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two other people whom

> I know with Aries Lagna are also not much attached to their

> co-borns.

============================================

You know the answer. The point is discussed above as well. Now,

please come on and share your efforts. See dear, it is just a

play, and I am just a participant, and therefore I can not (and

shouldn't) confirm anything!! It is others who has got real

experience ( being a Ar Asc native themselves !!) should confirm our

views. We are all just joyeous players who is doing a logical

exercise!!!

Hope that Pradeep, Anna etc will also start participating in the

exersise. Let us all try together to keep this discussion in track, I

urge everybody to keep an eye on side tracking of the discussion. Let

us concentrate on Ar Asc alone.

Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji,

You said:

> I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other

> lagnas srinadhji.

Don't be in a hurry sir!!! You are making others hurry as well!! (I

can understand you, but let others participate/and do this exersise

themselves!! You know that not even 30% of the predictions based on

Ar Asc is discussed till now!!) Let us play with Ar Asc for some more

time, and let others comeup with newer and newer predictions, that we

never even dreamed of, based on Ar Asc!!

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

>

> Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

after

> everyone has had their say.

>

> All members should note that this is just an exercise to stimulate

the

> logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

disposition

> of planets into account.

>

> Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

give

> my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries to

> enable other members to analyze it and give their logical reasons

for

> that. Kindly do not take offence.

>

> 1) He would probably be the eldest.

>

> Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native is

> usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

sign.

> Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

>

> 2) He will have a good wife.

>

> This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and why

do

> you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> here?

>

> But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

attractive

> wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

found

> that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

hidden

> frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

usually

> blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their heart.

> But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it

> comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light

by

> others and the society. Other members may also come out with their

> experiences or views in this regard.

>

> 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

>

> You may put it this way.... The person may have to work harder

> than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

Saturn).

>

> 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> responsibilities at home.

>

> In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

fathers

> are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born

with

> Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

father

> and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their father.

> Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life

(but

> it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

sure..

> .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

the

> individual horoscope.

>

> For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

from

> Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant. He

> almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-tempered

> and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

Hanuman

> (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence of

> Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

His

> father - Shri Kesari.

>

> As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

>

> 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

>

> Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases. I

> will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

his/her

> siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this native.

> But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

native

> is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

never

> gets diminished nevertheless.

>

> 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle age.

>

> This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to be

> Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

>

> The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate a

lot

> and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around them.

>

> 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

>

> I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives

with

> Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by middle

> age. This is in conformity with standard astrological principles.

>

> I have another interesting note to add regarding the relationship

of

> this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

lord.

> So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom not

> many people know of.... or they are self-made!

>

> You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, these

> persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

>

> By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

because

> in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is for

> this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> standard horoscope.

>

> When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

interesting

> possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

karakas

> will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

bhava

> karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

>

> I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

srinadhji.

>

> Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and only

go

> by the first principles as you have rightly done.

>

> Blessed be.

>

vedic astrology, "maniv1321" <maniv1321>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> The main reason for my impressed response was due to the simplicity

> and ease with which the analysis was made.

>

> I have been studying Jyotish intensely for a year-and-a-half as a

> hobby, and admit that I have often jumped to divisional charts,

> alternate dasha and Tithi pravesha charts without dedicating

> sufficient time to the Rasi charka. I am sure many members of this

> group follow a similar procedure. This probably due a combination

of a

> lack of depth knowledge of the Rasi charka, impatience and pure

> naivety.

>

> This exercise has prompted the realisation that enough reference

> points exists in the Rasi alone to enable accurate interpretations;

> multiplying reference points through vargas etc just exhilarate the

> confusion. I shall now endeavour to devote time to fully grasping

the

> fundamental depth of each house, sign and kartatkwa and apply the

> techniques outlined in the exercise to as many charts as possible. I

> hope that you will continue to guide lost beginners such as myself.

>

> Personally, my father passed away when I was 3 years of age,

relations

> with my mother have always been strained, I have a good spouse, am

the

> eldest son (but have one elder sister) and have two younger

siblings –

> twins - that are male/female. My elder sister is also an Aries

> ascendant and all of the above is applicable to her. The

effectiveness

> and influence of the Rasi chart is therefore underlined, and of

course

> further examining planetary placements, bhavat bhavam, aspects etc

can

> facilitate the fine tuning of the general ascendant based

predictions.

>

> A few points to contribute that I felt may be appropriate after

> attempting this exercise:

>

> 1.Mars rules 1+8 indicating a severe illness/obstacle filed life

>

> 2.L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from foreign

> country/culture and wealth after marriage (especially as L11 Saturn

> exalts in the 7th)

>

> 3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path,

but

> one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the first)

> and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a field

> emphasising on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching, counselling etc).

>

> 4.Jupiter (L9/L12) debilitates in house 10, further indicating a

> struggle/dissatisfaction in career

>

> 5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from Mothers

side.

>

> For education (generally in terms of degree/masters) I have read

> equally convincing literature with regards to the 4th and 5th

houses.

> What method do you approach, and how would one apply it to the Aries

> ascendant exercise?

>

> Also, I look forwards with anticipation to the input of Pradeep in

> this exercise, as this presents an ideal opportunity to highlight

the

> importance of the Rasi charka.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Maniv

>

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt Aries

> Lagna? The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but

> the person, though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is

> jealous of her(!). I mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister

> relationship. Can I conclude it is becuase the third lord from

Aries,

> Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two other people whom I know with

Aries

> Lagna are also not much attached to their co-borns.

>

> If I am wrong pls correct.

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > You said:

> > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

vedic

> > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value.

If

> > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

But

> > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever

you

> > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART. And

the

> > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is understanding

the

> > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these fundamentals.

> > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

balas,

> > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

with

> > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

confusion.

> > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those

various

> > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that

let us

> > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

Instead

> > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also

just a

> > participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to the

> > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

going

> > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

answer

> > some more questions.

> > You said:

> > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics

> > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > contradictory.

> > ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

whatever

> > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

objective of

> > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the

> > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is

NOT

> > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

which

> > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no balas,

> > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

about

> > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system

of

> > divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!! NOT

a

> > new system!!

> >

> > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > You said:

> > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one

can

> > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

case.

> > I can understand you. But there may be others who can really

> > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. . Understanding

the

> > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once

the

> > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, then

it

> > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > You said:

> > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

> > > whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

> > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

future

> > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > That means you never read that mail with attention.

Considering my

> > first mail, I said that:

> > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > 2) He will have a good wife

> > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > responsibilities at home.

> > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc

> > How many of them are the default present and not something going

to

> > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) comes

to

> > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it

not

> > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now

if you

> > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

attack

> > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

alone.

> > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

trying

> > to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from

the

> > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact that

you

> > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise.

> > But feel free, and just ignore this discussion, as I said

earlier

> > there may be others who feel that this discussion is beneficial

to

> > them. . My regards to your efforts to understand this basic

issue of

> > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> >

> > Dear Maniv,

> > you said

> > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

analysis

> > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

reference to

> > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old practice!!!

It IS

> > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new

feat

> > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to

learn

> > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the Natal

> > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just speaking

> > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with

that

> > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

since

> > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

> >

> > Dear RNU,

> > You asked:

> > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

all

> > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic layout.

All

> > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction is

> > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc.

But

> > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

apply

> > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding

the

> > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> >

> > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,

since

> > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR

ji,

> > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why

you are

> > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel

sad

> > because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. Ar

Asc,

> > and is going to the side tracks.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> > >

> > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > >

> > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

all

> > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > >

> > > please explain.

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > RNW

> > >

> > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

analysis

> > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

reference to

> > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it

is

> > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one

can

> > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

case.

> > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most

of

> > them

> > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

future

> > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

alone.

> > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > >

> > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friend vinkum

> > >

> > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

whatever

> > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

objective of

> > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various ways

of

> > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

tarot

> > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

therapists,

> > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions

and

> > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in medicine

too,

> > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy,

> > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks.

we all

> > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off

late

> > > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to

do

> > > some value addition in his services and give value for his

money.

> > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days

even

> > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember a

> > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

displayed at

> > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > >

> > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

balas,

> > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

with

> > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

confusion.

> > > >

> > > > Vinkum

> > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friend

> > >

> > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

vedic

> > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

which

> > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only

to

> > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > >

> > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics

> > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

that

> > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

pain

> > > or suffering.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others

states

> > > the

> > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

applicable to

> > > all

> > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right

that

> > > we

> > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself

is the

> > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

sign+house

> > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign.

Moon is

> > > the

> > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

(even

> > > if

> > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > > several

> > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics

of

> > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > > nothing!!! So

> > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > > predictions!!!

> > > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

Lagna

> > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > > prediction,

> > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

Vargas

> > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna

is

> > > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore

when we

> > > are

> > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

bhava

> > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting

with Ar

> > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > > placed in

> > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

(The

> > > same

> > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su

in

> > > Ar.

> > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> > > start

> > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> > > populate

> > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > > them!!!

> > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

combination

> > > in

> > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> > > which is

> > > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying

to

> > > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

squared

> > > to

> > > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

useless

> > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

interested

> > > is

> > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

predict

> > > the

> > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't

send any

> > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

after

> > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

answer

> > > such

> > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So

my

> > > gurugi

> > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on

the

> > > > horoscope.

> > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

sign,

> > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will

have

> > > more

> > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The

shape of

> > > the

> > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

instrument.

> > > So I

> > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other

is a

> > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

and

> > > there

> > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > > younger

> > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as

well.

> > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> > > sisters

> > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please

come

> > > forward

> > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic

and

> > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to

make

> > > such

> > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > > correct or

> > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

you

> > > to

> > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > > joyfully

> > > > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask

one

> > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

(moon

> > > > sign)?

> > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star)

and 99%

> > > of

> > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people,

is

> > > true in

> > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like

to

> > > add,

> > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > >

> > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short

lived).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > <sreelid>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

based

> > > on

> > > > > each

> > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

Exaltation &

> > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> > > natal

> > > > Asc

> > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

prediction

> > > is

> > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

Forget

> > > the D-

> > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

the

> > > Legna

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to

us

> > > (in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

newer

> > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> > > below,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

they

> > > made

> > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

understanding

> > > > their

> > > > > > view.

> > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> > > Houses,

> > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > > participating

> > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

would

> > > stop

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!!

I

> > > plan

> > > > to

> > > > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

food,

> > > will

> > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

group,

> > > will

> > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

lower

> > > part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> > > upper

> > > > > part

> > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons and

> > > fights,

> > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one

whom he

> > > > love,

> > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

brothers

> > > and

> > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > > similar

> > > > to

> > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

quality,

> > > love

> > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

10th,

> > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job.

But

> > > the

> > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

job

> > > will be

> > > > > as

> > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

never

> > > got a

> > > > > job

> > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

deserved

> > > a

> > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

either in

> > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

Supervisor,

> > > Driver,

> > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be

many

> > > > > above

> > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

family

> > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

especially

> > > in

> > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother

will

> > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

and

> > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

(Money)

> > > > > starting

> > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

him, as

> > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> > > Legna).

> > > > > He

> > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

(lagna

> > > > > lord)

> > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It

is

> > > also

> > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He

will

> > > > have

> > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

Legna. He

> > > > > would

> > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated

by

> > > the

> > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

the

> > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

After

> > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life

as

> > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > > predictions

> > > > > that

> > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion

on Ar

> > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

only)

> > > Let

> > > > us

> > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

single

> > > Asc

> > > > > (Ar

> > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > > prediction

> > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

would

> > > > come

> > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction

was

> > > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

such

> > > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > > argument is

> > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 6, 2006

Dear Shrinadhji:

I wanted someone to do a logical analysis for the benefit of all

members here. That is why I quoted the controversial principle. You

have vindicated my expectation. Please continue.... Your analysis

will help young learners here to learn how to look at the horoscope

and arrive at conclusions. As I said before, I will take a stand in

the background and step in only to pep up the discussion if ever the

need arises or to add some comments based on my professional

experience. Kindly do not think I am not participating. I am behind

you 100 percent. Infact this is the methodology I adopt during my

direct classes in astrology. Ancient classics like Sapta Rishi Nadi

have used the same technique. You will find that even the different

rishis had different theoretical views on horoscopes dicussed in the

Sapta Rishi Nadi. When learned persons debate on controversial

technical aspects, it helps to throw light on how to synthesize the

seemingly conflicting theoretical percepts and form a conclusion.

For the other members:

I request all members to study these posts carefully, analyze them in

their mind, and then reply to what is written in this thread because

only then it will be beneficial. If everyone writes only his/ her

opinion without reading the messages in full it may not benefit

anyone. Kindly follow the sequence of the thread and express your

views. YOu may add your views, express your agreement, or even say how

it does not apply in your experience based on views expressed in the

posts. There is no point in debating the same points again and again

if the answers have already appeared in earlier posts.

If you follow this logical sequence, then I am sure that "the

horoscope of your clients will begin to speak to you!" which is what

differentiates an expert astrologer from an ordinary one.

Blessed be.

January 6, 2006

>From what I have experienced so far, being a Aries lagna, you are

very very close to what I experienced.

I have my venus and jupiter in 12th house, just to add.

But one thing I could never make out was my mercury is in 10th house

with mars, but my profession / job was my own effort and not thru

sibling. What else could that signify?

-rAma

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

<SNIP>

> By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

because

> in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

for

> this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> standard horoscope.

>

> When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

interesting

> possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

karakas

> will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

bhava

> karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

>

> I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

srinadhji.

>

> Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and only

go

> by the first principles as you have rightly done.

>

> Blessed be.

>

January 6, 2006

Dear Rama ji,

You may be very much interested in your own horoscope, I can

understand. But the please don't bring planets into a discussion,

which tries to concentrate on Asc alone (and no planets). It is side

tracking. Please forgive me for requesting this. If anyway you feel

offended I will take back my statement, since I have no right to make

such a request.

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "RAma Vootla"

<vsra_prasad> wrote:

>

> From what I have experienced so far, being a Aries lagna, you are

> very very close to what I experienced.

> I have my venus and jupiter in 12th house, just to add.

>

> But one thing I could never make out was my mercury is in 10th

house

> with mars, but my profession / job was my own effort and not thru

> sibling. What else could that signify?

> -rAma

> vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> >

> <SNIP>

> > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> because

> > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

> for

> > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> > standard horoscope.

> >

> > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> interesting

> > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> karakas

> > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> bhava

> > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> >

> > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> srinadhji.

> >

> > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

only

> go

> > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

>

January 6, 2006

Dear Dakshnamoorthi ji,

NO!!.........Sir!!.............Please don't leave us in the wild!!!

Please continue participating in this exercise! And please do guide

us. I am urging this out of my pure respect and love towards your

knowledge and understanding. Without your guidance, this exercise

would be still incomplete. If you love as all, be here and part of

this exercise. Can't you see how much it helps as all!! Look, dear

Rama Vootala ji gives us proof for your expertise.

======================================================

vedic astrology, "RAma Vootla"

<vsra_prasad> wrote: (To Dakshinamoorthi ji)

>

> From what I have experienced so far, being a Aries lagna, you are

> very very close to what I experienced.

> I have my venus and jupiter in 12th house, just to add.

>

> But one thing I could never make out was my mercury is in 10th

house

> with mars, but my profession / job was my own effort and not thru

> sibling. What else could that signify?

> -rAma

======================================================

So, please be with us.

Love,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> Dear Shrinadhji:

>

> I wanted someone to do a logical analysis for the benefit of all

> members here. That is why I quoted the controversial principle.

You

> have vindicated my expectation. Please continue.... Your analysis

> will help young learners here to learn how to look at the horoscope

> and arrive at conclusions. As I said before, I will take a stand

in

> the background and step in only to pep up the discussion if ever

the

> need arises or to add some comments based on my professional

> experience. Kindly do not think I am not participating. I am

behind

> you 100 percent. Infact this is the methodology I adopt during my

> direct classes in astrology. Ancient classics like Sapta Rishi

Nadi

> have used the same technique. You will find that even the

different

> rishis had different theoretical views on horoscopes dicussed in

the

> Sapta Rishi Nadi. When learned persons debate on controversial

> technical aspects, it helps to throw light on how to synthesize the

> seemingly conflicting theoretical percepts and form a conclusion.

>

> For the other members:

> I request all members to study these posts carefully, analyze them

in

> their mind, and then reply to what is written in this thread

because

> only then it will be beneficial. If everyone writes only his/ her

> opinion without reading the messages in full it may not benefit

> anyone. Kindly follow the sequence of the thread and express your

> views. YOu may add your views, express your agreement, or even say

how

> it does not apply in your experience based on views expressed in

the

> posts. There is no point in debating the same points again and

again

> if the answers have already appeared in earlier posts.

>

> If you follow this logical sequence, then I am sure that "the

> horoscope of your clients will begin to speak to you!" which is

what

> differentiates an expert astrologer from an ordinary one.

>

> Blessed be.

>

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> Thanks for your kind encouragement. My regards to your

> understanding. After reading the messages of you and Maniv I feel

> that I have done a good thing by starting this exercise.

> You said:

> > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

> > stimulate the logical faculties based on fixed astrological

> > pointers. While analyzing actual charts, you must take the

> > placement and disposition of planets into account.

> Yes, I agree completely. It is good to hear you saying that, which

> otherwise I would have said myself. Good to know that minds of

> similar wavelengths exists.

> Now coming to the subject of discussion, i.e. Aris Lagna:

> I would gladly repeat your words:

> =================================

> > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> >

> > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native

is

> > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> sign.

> > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> >

> > 2) He will have a good wife.

> >

> > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and why

> do

> > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> > here?

> >

> > But of course, you can say that the native will get an

> attractive

> > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> found

> > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> hidden

> > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> usually

> > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

heart.

> > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

it

> > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favorable light

> by

> > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

their

> > experiences or views in this regard.

> >

> > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> >

> > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

harder

> > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> Saturn).

> >

> > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > responsibilities at home.

> >

> > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> fathers

> > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born

> with

> > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> father

> > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

father.

> > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life

> (but

> > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> sure..

> > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

> the

> > individual horoscope.

> >

> > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

> from

> > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant.

He

> > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

tempered

> > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> Hanuman

> > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence of

> > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

> His

> > father - Shri Kesari.

> >

> > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> >

> > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> >

> > Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases.

I

> > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> his/her

> > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

native.

> > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> native

> > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> never

> > gets diminished nevertheless.

> >

> > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> >

> > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to

be

> > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> >

> > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate a

> lot

> > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around them.

> >

> > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> >

> > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives

> with

> > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

middle

> > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological principles.

> >

> > I have another interesting note to add regarding the relationship

> of

> > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

> lord.

> > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

not

> > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> >

> > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, these

> > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> =================================

> Good to hear your refined views on some of the possibilities!! My

> comments follows:

> 2) He will have a good wife.

> > Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> > here?

> "Karako bhava nasaka" is a controversial principle. Mihira (Varaha

> hora) has stated that Ju in 5th is good for children. What ever

that

> be, it is better to keep classics out of such a simple

> discussion. . Ma the Ar lord and Ve the 7th lord, forms a good

> combination concerning the sex life is concerned. And as symbolized

> by the Ram and the word kami, that is usually associated with Ar

Asc,

> this point get reinforced. And I am sure, you will agree on the

fact

> that Ve (7th lord) is a beautiful lady. . She has no interest in

> the enemies of her husband as indicated by Ve debilitated in 6th

> (enemy house of Ar Asc). She will stand with her husband in

> difficulties as indicated by the exaltation of Ve in 12th, (i.e

House

> indicating difficulties and sadness) from Ar Asc. The qurent will

> spend anything for her wife, as indicated by the same. (Ve exalted

in

> 12th - expense for good karmas and wife). She supports the lovely

> home life by her efforts and earnings as indicated by the lordship

of

> 7th lord Ve in 2nd house as well. She is a good house with no job

of

> her own, as indicated by the lordship of 2nd house and the 10th

lord

> from 7th house debilitated in 2nd house form 7th (Not much income

> from job). (Anybody can extend this analysis). The husband has a

job

> and income, and the wife is a loving and beautiful housewife!! They

> have a good sex life!! Can't we agree that, he will have a good

> wife.

> > The native is highly affectionate to his/her

> > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

native.

> > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> > native is caused by their siblings unintentionally.

> > Their mutual love never gets diminished nevertheless.

> I disagree with the last statement. That is "Their mutual love

never

> gets diminished nevertheless.". The lord of 3rd house Me is exalted

> in 6th from Ar, indicating that his siblings have good connection

and

> friendship with the enemies of the native!! And that they

themselves

> become the enemies of the native, even though the native loves his

> siblings very much. But we should remember that he is a very proud

> person (as indicated by the exalted Su in Asc), who will not bow

> before anybody, even if it is his siblings!! Also remember that he

is

> angry natured and stubborn, who will not like to alter his

decisions

> as indicated by the lordship of Ma in Asc. The only person who

could

> play football with the emotions of Ar Asc is his mother, as

indicated

> by the debilitation of Ma in 4th. The analysis could go on.

> My regards to your knowledge. Even the above statements are not

> actual disagreement with your view. But just shedding light on

> some more areas. Love.

>

> Dear Maniv ji,

> Allow me to repeat your statements as well:

> =============================================

> 1.Mars rules 1+8 indicating a severe illness/obstacle filed life

> >

> > 2.L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from

foreign

> > country/culture and wealth after marriage (especially as L11

Saturn

> > exalts in the 7th)

> >

> > 3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path,

> but

> > one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the

first)

> > and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a field

> > emphasizing on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching, counseling etc).

> >

> > 4.Jupiter (L9/L12) debilitates in house 10, further indicating a

> > struggle/dissatisfaction in career

> >

> > 5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from Mothers

> side.

> =============================================

> My comments follows:

> > 2)L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from

foreign

> > country/culture.

> Is it that wife from a distant place will not suffice?

> > 3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path,

> > but one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the

> > first)and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a

> > field emphasizing on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching,

> > counseling etc).

> He depends on the income from job than the money or property got

> from his parents. That is my opinion. He starts his job with a low

> income, (Sa debilitated in Asc) and later becomes an efficient

> personality who has increased his own earnings with his own

efforts.

> (Sa exalted in 7th). He may even indulge in partnership business ir

> share business which helps to increase in income to a substantial

> amount. That is my view. Let others tell as which view is

> correct.

> You said:

> > 5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from

> > Mothers side.

> I agree to an extend. But look at his own family - how ancient it

> is!! (As indicated by 4th sign being a chara sign, and 4th lord

being

> Mo indicating parampara). It is an old/ancient family with a lot of

> reputation in society! They had much land, (probably rise or wheat

> cultivation fields as well) as indicated by 4th sign being a water

> sign, and 4th lord exalted in 2nd. His father (Ju -9th lord), he

(Ma -

> Asc lord), and Su (5th lord) will keep up that reputation as

> indicated by their friendship and similarity of nature!! Mo exalted

> in 2nd indicates that he will get some inheritance from his mothers

> side, even though in a later period in life, when that inheritance

> becomes not at all important.!!

> I was just encouraging you!! It is great effort!! Please continue,

I

> love your views!!! Love

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

> Good to know that your attitude is changing.

> Courage is what it takes to standup and speak. Courage is also

what

> it takes to sit down and listen! . Love.

> Let me repeat your qn:

> =============================================

> > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt Aries

> > Lagna? The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister,

but

> > the person, though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is

> > jealous of her(!). I mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister

> > relationship. Can I conclude it is becuase the third lord from

> > Aries, Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two other people whom

> > I know with Aries Lagna are also not much attached to their

> > co-borns.

> ============================================

> You know the answer. The point is discussed above as well. Now,

> please come on and share your efforts. See dear, it is just a

> play, and I am just a participant, and therefore I can not (and

> shouldn't) confirm anything!! It is others who has got real

> experience ( being a Ar Asc native themselves !!) should confirm

our

> views. We are all just joyeous players who is doing a logical

> exercise!!!

> Hope that Pradeep, Anna etc will also start participating in the

> exersise. Let us all try together to keep this discussion in track,

I

> urge everybody to keep an eye on side tracking of the discussion.

Let

> us concentrate on Ar Asc alone.

>

> Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> You said:

> > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other

> > lagnas srinadhji.

> Don't be in a hurry sir!!! You are making others hurry as well!!

(I

> can understand you, but let others participate/and do this exersise

> themselves!! You know that not even 30% of the predictions based on

> Ar Asc is discussed till now!!) Let us play with Ar Asc for some

more

> time, and let others comeup with newer and newer predictions, that

we

> never even dreamed of, based on Ar Asc!!

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:

> >

> > Please do not get upset that not many are participating in this

> > exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following your

> > threads with interest and thought about giving a final round up

> after

> > everyone has had their say.

> >

> > All members should note that this is just an exercise to

stimulate

> the

> > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers. While

> > analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and

> disposition

> > of planets into account.

> >

> > Now I will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed and

> give

> > my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised queries

to

> > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical reasons

> for

> > that. Kindly do not take offence.

> >

> > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> >

> > Yes, it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this native

is

> > usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting elder

> > siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first

> sign.

> > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.

> >

> > 2) He will have a good wife.

> >

> > This is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and why

> do

> > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into force

> > here?

> >

> > But ofcourse, you can say that the native will get an

> attractive

> > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In my professional experience, I have

> found

> > that the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by some

> hidden

> > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is

> usually

> > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are good at

> > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

heart.

> > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when

it

> > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable

light

> by

> > others and the society. Other members may also come out with

their

> > experiences or views in this regard.

> >

> > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> >

> > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work

harder

> > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence of

> Saturn).

> >

> > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > responsibilities at home.

> >

> > In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack of a

> > "Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their

> fathers

> > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives born

> with

> > Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with their

> father

> > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their

father.

> > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early in life

> (but

> > it depends on other factors in the horoscope). But one thing is

> sure..

> > .. the native does not enjoy a comfortable relationship with his

> > father until and unless there are other moderating influences in

> the

> > individual horoscope.

> >

> > For instance, Shri. K.Parthasarathy - the eminent astrologer

> from

> > Chennai (now of revered memory) was born under Aries ascendant.

He

> > almost worshipped his father though his father was a short-

tempered

> > and authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.

> Hanuman

> > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some obscure

> > tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the influence of

> > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the influence of

> His

> > father - Shri Kesari.

> >

> > As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned, it is

> > correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.

> >

> > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> >

> > Experience has proved that this is the case in most cases.

I

> > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to

> his/her

> > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this

native.

> > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life of this

> native

> > is caused by their siblings unintentionally. Their mutual love

> never

> > gets diminished nevertheless.

> >

> > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> >

> > This is true in most cases. Aries ascendant persons tend to

be

> > Type A-behaviour persons with noted aggressiveness and

> > competitiveness. This often leads to heart maladies.

> >

> > The remedy for this would be for these natives to meditate a

> lot

> > and to let their steam off with emphathetic persons around them.

> >

> > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc.

> >

> > I will introduce the moderating element here! Aries natives

> with

> > Sun in this ascendant will definitely become bald headed by

middle

> > age. This is in conformity with standard astrological principles.

> >

> > I have another interesting note to add regarding the relationship

> of

> > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator of

> > preceptor and Dharma. Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the 12th

> lord.

> > So, these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about whom

not

> > many people know of.... or they are self-made!

> >

> > You can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet, these

> > persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.

> >

> > By the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities

> because

> > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It is

for

> > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as the

> > standard horoscope.

> >

> > When you try the same exercise with other lagnas, you have

> interesting

> > possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural

> karakas

> > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa and

> bhava

> > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.

> >

> > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas

> srinadhji.

> >

> > Let us not mix up astrological classical definitions here and

only

> go

> > by the first principles as you have rightly done.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

>

> vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > The main reason for my impressed response was due to the

simplicity

> > and ease with which the analysis was made.

> >

> > I have been studying Jyotish intensely for a year-and-a-half as a

> > hobby, and admit that I have often jumped to divisional charts,

> > alternate dasha and Tithi pravesha charts without dedicating

> > sufficient time to the Rasi charka. I am sure many members of this

> > group follow a similar procedure. This probably due a combination

> of a

> > lack of depth knowledge of the Rasi charka, impatience and pure

> > naivety.

> >

> > This exercise has prompted the realisation that enough reference

> > points exists in the Rasi alone to enable accurate

interpretations;

> > multiplying reference points through vargas etc just exhilarate

the

> > confusion. I shall now endeavour to devote time to fully grasping

> the

> > fundamental depth of each house, sign and kartatkwa and apply the

> > techniques outlined in the exercise to as many charts as

possible. I

> > hope that you will continue to guide lost beginners such as

myself.

> >

> > Personally, my father passed away when I was 3 years of age,

> relations

> > with my mother have always been strained, I have a good spouse,

am

> the

> > eldest son (but have one elder sister) and have two younger

> siblings –

> > twins - that are male/female. My elder sister is also an Aries

> > ascendant and all of the above is applicable to her. The

> effectiveness

> > and influence of the Rasi chart is therefore underlined, and of

> course

> > further examining planetary placements, bhavat bhavam, aspects

etc

> can

> > facilitate the fine tuning of the general ascendant based

> predictions.

> >

> > A few points to contribute that I felt may be appropriate after

> > attempting this exercise:

> >

> > 1.Mars rules 1+8 indicating a severe illness/obstacle filed life

> >

> > 2.L2+L7 Lord Venus exalts in the 12th indicating spouse from

foreign

> > country/culture and wealth after marriage (especially as L11

Saturn

> > exalts in the 7th)

> >

> > 3.Saturn as L10+L11 indicates a high income yielding career path,

> but

> > one that may prove to be a struggle(Saturn debilitates in the

first)

> > and success after marriage(Saturn exalts in Libra) or in a field

> > emphasising on 7th house affairs( e.g teaching, counselling etc).

> >

> > 4.Jupiter (L9/L12) debilitates in house 10, further indicating a

> > struggle/dissatisfaction in career

> >

> > 5.Moon debilitates in 8th, indicates no inheritance from Mothers

> side.

> >

> > For education (generally in terms of degree/masters) I have read

> > equally convincing literature with regards to the 4th and 5th

> houses.

> > What method do you approach, and how would one apply it to the

Aries

> > ascendant exercise?

> >

> > Also, I look forwards with anticipation to the input of Pradeep in

> > this exercise, as this presents an ideal opportunity to highlight

> the

> > importance of the Rasi charka.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt

Aries

> > Lagna? The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister,

but

> > the person, though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is

> > jealous of her(!). I mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister

> > relationship. Can I conclude it is becuase the third lord from

> Aries,

> > Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two other people whom I know with

> Aries

> > Lagna are also not much attached to their co-borns.

> >

> > If I am wrong pls correct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > > You said:

> > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

> vedic

> > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> charts

> > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> navamsha

> > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value.

> If

> > > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate

them.

> But

> > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what

ever

> you

> > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART.

And

> the

> > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is

understanding

> the

> > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

fundamentals.

> > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> balas,

> > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

> with

> > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> confusion.

> > > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those

> various

> > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that

> let us

> > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

> Instead

> > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also

> just a

> > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to

the

> > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

> going

> > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

> answer

> > > some more questions.

> > > You said:

> > > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

not

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> charts,

> > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> classics

> > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > contradictory.

> > > ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> whatever

> > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> objective of

> > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to

the

> > > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is

> NOT

> > > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout

on

> which

> > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no

balas,

> > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

> about

> > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system

> of

> > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!!

NOT

> a

> > > new system!!

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > You said:

> > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

one

> can

> > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

> case.

> > > I can understand you. But there may be others who can

really

> > > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. .

Understanding

> the

> > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since

once

> the

> > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent,

then

> it

> > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > > You said:

> > > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

> > > > whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them

> > > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

> future

> > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > That means you never read that mail with attention.

> Considering my

> > > first mail, I said that:

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > 2) He will have a good wife

> > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > responsibilities at home.

> > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at

middle

> age.

> > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc

> > > How many of them are the default present and not something

going

> to

> > > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25)

comes

> to

> > > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it

> not

> > > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now

> if you

> > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

> attack

> > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> alone.

> > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

> trying

> > > to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from

> the

> > > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact

that

> you

> > > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise.

> > > But feel free, and just ignore this discussion, as I said

> earlier

> > > there may be others who feel that this discussion is beneficial

> to

> > > them. . My regards to your efforts to understand this basic

> issue of

> > > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> > >

> > > Dear Maniv,

> > > you said

> > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

> analysis

> > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> reference to

> > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

practice!!!

> It IS

> > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a

new

> feat

> > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to

> learn

> > > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the

Natal

> > > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

speaking

> > > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> > > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with

> that

> > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

> since

> > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

> > >

> > > Dear RNU,

> > > You asked:

> > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion

that

> all

> > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic

layout.

> All

> > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction

is

> > > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas

etc.

> But

> > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

> apply

> > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding

> the

> > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > >

> > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel

sad,

> since

> > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR

> ji,

> > > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why

> you are

> > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel

> sad

> > > because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e.

Ar

> Asc,

> > > and is going to the side tracks.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > > >

> > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion

that

> all

> > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > > >

> > > > please explain.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > RNW

> > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> <maniv1321>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

> analysis

> > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> reference to

> > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If

it

> is

> > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

one

> can

> > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

> case.

> > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most

> of

> > > them

> > > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

> future

> > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> alone.

> > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friend vinkum

> > > >

> > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> whatever

> > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> objective of

> > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various

ways

> of

> > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

> tarot

> > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

> therapists,

> > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions

> and

> > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

medicine

> too,

> > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

homeopathy,

> > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks.

> we all

> > > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another.

off

> late

> > > > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer

to

> do

> > > > some value addition in his services and give value for his

> money.

> > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days

> even

> > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember

a

> > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

> displayed at

> > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> <vinkum111>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> balas,

> > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not

agree

> with

> > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> confusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinkum

> > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friend

> > > >

> > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

> vedic

> > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> charts

> > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> navamsha

> > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

> which

> > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking

only

> to

> > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > > >

> > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

not

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> charts,

> > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> classics

> > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

> that

> > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of

his

> pain

> > > > or suffering.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> <sreelid>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna

is

> > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others

> states

> > > > the

> > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

> applicable to

> > > > all

> > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is

right

> that

> > > > we

> > > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself

> is the

> > > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

> sign+house

> > > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign.

> Moon is

> > > > the

> > > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in

which

> (even

> > > > if

> > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > > > several

> > > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the

characteristics

> of

> > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > > > nothing!!! So

> > > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > > > predictions!!!

> > > > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

> Lagna

> > > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > > > prediction,

> > > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

> Vargas

> > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna

> is

> > > > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore

> when we

> > > > are

> > > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

> bhava

> > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting

> with Ar

> > > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su

is

> > > > placed in

> > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House

effects

> (The

> > > > same

> > > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of

Su

> in

> > > > Ar.

> > > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying

to

> > > > start

> > > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying

to

> > > > populate

> > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > > > them!!!

> > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

> combination

> > > > in

> > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that

individual,

> > > > which is

> > > > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and

trying

> to

> > > > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

> squared

> > > > to

> > > > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

> useless

> > > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> interested

> > > > is

> > > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> related

> > > > to

> > > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

> predict

> > > > the

> > > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't

> send any

> > > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

> after

> > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

> answer

> > > > such

> > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent.

So

> my

> > > > gurugi

> > > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on

> the

> > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an

Ubhaya

> sign,

> > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will

> have

> > > > more

> > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The

> shape of

> > > > the

> > > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> instrument.

> > > > So I

> > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the

other

> is a

> > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

> and

> > > > there

> > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and

one

> > > > younger

> > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as

> well.

> > > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers

and

> > > > sisters

> > > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please

> come

> > > > forward

> > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic

> and

> > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to

> make

> > > > such

> > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > > > correct or

> > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I

asked

> you

> > > > to

> > > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > > > joyfully

> > > > > engage in this play I would suggest.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me

ask

> one

> > > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

> (moon

> > > > > sign)?

> > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star)

> and 99%

> > > > of

> > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people,

> is

> > > > true in

> > > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would

like

> to

> > > > add,

> > > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games)

> > > > > > 4. Bold and courageous.

> > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

> > > > > > 6. (Never listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short

> lived).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > <sreelid>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

> based

> > > > on

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

> Exaltation &

> > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except

the

> > > > natal

> > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> prediction

> > > > is

> > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

> Forget

> > > > the D-

> > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

> the

> > > > Legna

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important

to

> us

> > > > (in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

> newer

> > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

described

> > > > below,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

> they

> > > > made

> > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> understanding

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of

(Sign,

> > > > Houses,

> > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > > > participating

> > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

> would

> > > > stop

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

sh!!!!

> I

> > > > plan

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > learn from that as well !!!

> > > > > > > OK. Here it goes. Let us start with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

> food,

> > > > will

> > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

> group,

> > > > will

> > > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

> lower

> > > > part

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to

the

> > > > upper

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc

> > > > > > > Lord of Sign: Ma

> > > > > > > He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like weapons

and

> > > > fights,

> > > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one

> whom he

> > > > > love,

> > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

> brothers

> > > > and

> > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in

house

> > > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> quality,

> > > > love

> > > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted

in

> 10th,

> > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

job.

> But

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

> job

> > > > will be

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

> never

> > > > got a

> > > > > > job

> > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

> deserved

> > > > a

> > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

> either in

> > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

> Supervisor,

> > > > Driver,

> > > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would

be

> many

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

> family

> > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> especially

> > > > in

> > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

mother

> will

> > > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

> and

> > > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

> (Money)

> > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

> him, as

> > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting

from

> > > > Legna).

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

> (lagna

> > > > > > lord)

> > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha.

It

> is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th.

He

> will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

> Legna. He

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as

indicated

> by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the

12th

> > > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

> the

> > > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

> After

> > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married

life

> as

> > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > > > predictions

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is

Ar

> > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion

> on Ar

> > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

> only)

> > > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

> single

> > > > Asc

> > > > > > (Ar

> > > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts

in

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that

many

> would

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such

prediction

> was

> > > > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

> such

> > > > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > > > argument is

> > > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 6, 2006

|| Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

Dear Jyothi,

It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L. Also A3 placement

w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling. How are the

corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd sign and

sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3 may also give

some clue.

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna alone!!! - An

exercise.

Dear Sir,

Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt Aries Lagna?

The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but the person,

though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is jealous of her(!). I

mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship. Can I conclude it

is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two

other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not much attached to

their co-borns.

If I am wrong pls correct.

Regards,

jyothi

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

wrote:

>

> Dear panditarjun ji,

> You said:

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value. If

> somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

But

> the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever

you

> name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART. And

the

> first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is understanding

the

> nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these fundamentals.

> Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

balas,

> > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree with

> > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes confusion.

> I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those various

> balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that let

us

> try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

Instead

> of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also just

a

> participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to the

> fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

going

> away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

answer

> some more questions.

> You said:

> > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory.

> ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> To Vinkum you wrote:

> > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

whatever

> > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective

of

> > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > solutions is met, it does justice.

> If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the

> statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is NOT

> another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

which

> all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no balas,

> vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

about

> a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system of

> divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!! NOT a

> new system!!

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

> You said:

> > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one

can

> > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> I can understand you. But there may be others who can really

> understand, and get benefited by this exercise. . Understanding

the

> nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once

the

> astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent, then it

> becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> You said:

> > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because whatever

> > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them are by default

> > present and not something going to happen in future (like boldness,

> > being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> That means you never read that mail with attention. Considering

my

> first mail, I said that:

> 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> 2) He will have a good wife

> 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> responsibilities at home.

> 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

age.

> 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How many of them

> are the default present and not something going

to

> happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) comes

to

> you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it not

> important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now if

you

> say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

attack

> in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

alone.

> > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

trying

> to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from the

> basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact that

you

> fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise. But feel free,

> and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there may be others

> who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. . My regards to

> your efforts to understand this basic issue

of

> Understanding the nature of Asc.

>

> Dear Maniv,

> you said

> > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> > that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference

to

> > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old practice!!! It

IS

> the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new

feat

> accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to learn

> about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the Natal

> chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just speaking

> about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with that

> exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

since

> it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

>

> Dear RNU,

> You asked:

> > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

all

> > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic layout.

All

> the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction is

> modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc.

But

> if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

apply

> the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding the

> basic layout, and NOT a new method.

>

> I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,

since

> I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR ji,

> all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why you

are

> not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel sad

> because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e. Ar

Asc,

> and is going to the side tracks.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>

wrote:

> >

> > ---Dear Gurujis

> >

> > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

all

> > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> >

> > please explain.

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > RNW

> >

> vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis

> > that is based solely on the position of the signs with reference

to

> > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it

is

> > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one

can

> > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

> > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most of

> them

> > are by default present and not something going to happen in future

> > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

alone.

> > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> >

> > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend vinkum

> >

> > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

whatever

> > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the objective

of

> > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various ways

of

> > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

tarot

> > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem therapists,

> > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions and

> > they too have billions of believers and followers. in medicine

too,

> > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda, homeopathy,

> > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks. we

all

> > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off

late

> > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do

> > some value addition in his services and give value for his

money.

> > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even

> > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember a

> > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently displayed

at

> > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > >

> > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

balas,

> > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

with

> > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

confusion.

> > >

> > > Vinkum

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic

> > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

charts

> > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

navamsha

> > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

which

> > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking only to

> > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> >

> > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not

> > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

charts,

> > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics

> > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

that

> > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

pain

> > or suffering.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others states

> > the

> > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable

to

> > all

> > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is right

that

> > we

> > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is

the

> > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna sign+house

> > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign. Moon

is

> > the

> > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

(even

> > if

> > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > several

> > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the characteristics of

> > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > nothing!!! So

> > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > predictions!!!

> > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

Lagna

> > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > prediction,

> > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

Vargas

> > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is

> > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when

we

> > are

> > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava

> > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with

Ar

> > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > placed in

> > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

(The

> > same

> > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su

in

> > Ar.

> > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying to

> > start

> > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to

> > populate

> > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > them!!!

> > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

combination

> > in

> > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,

> > which is

> > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and trying to

> > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

squared

> > to

> > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

useless

> > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

interested

> > is

> > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and predict

> > the

> > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send

any

> > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

after

> > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer

> > such

> > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my

> > gurugi

> > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on the

> > > horoscope.

> > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

sign,

> > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have

> > more

> > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape

of

> > the

> > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

instrument.

> > So I

> > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other

is a

> > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and

> > there

> > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > younger

> > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well.

> > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and

> > sisters

> > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please come

> > forward

> > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and

> > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to make

> > such

> > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > correct or

> > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

you

> > to

> > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > joyfully

> > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love, Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask

one

> > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

(moon

> > > sign)?

> > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and

99%

> > of

> > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is

> > true in

> > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like

to

> > add,

> > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4. Bold and

> > > > courageous.

> > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!) 6. (Never

> > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > >

> > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > <sreelid>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

based

> > on

> > > > each

> > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation

&

> > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the

> > natal

> > > Asc

> > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

prediction

> > is

> > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic. Forget

> > the D-

> > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only the

> > Legna

> > > > and

> > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us

> > (in

> > > > this

> > > > > exersise).

> > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and newer

> > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules described

> > below,

> > > > and

> > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

they

> > made

> > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

understanding

> > > their

> > > > > view.

> > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,

> > Houses,

> > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > participating

> > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

would

> > stop

> > > > in

> > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I

> > plan

> > > to

> > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes. Let us start

> > > > > with Aris Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > ----------

> > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

food,

> > will

> > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

group,

> > will

> > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

lower

> > part

> > > > of

> > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the

> > upper

> > > > part

> > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc Lord

> > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like

> > > > > weapons and

> > fights,

> > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one whom

he

> > > love,

> > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers

> > and

> > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > similar

> > > to

> > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

quality,

> > love

> > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

10th,

> > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job.

But

> > the

> > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job

> > will be

> > > > as

> > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he never

> > got a

> > > > job

> > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

deserved

> > a

> > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working either

in

> > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be Supervisor,

> > Driver,

> > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would be

many

> > > > above

> > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > debilitated

> > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

family

> > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

especially

> > in

> > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother

will

> > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and

> > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

(Money)

> > > > starting

> > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced him,

as

> > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from

> > Legna).

> > > > He

> > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

(lagna

> > > > lord)

> > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is

> > also

> > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th. He

will

> > > have

> > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna.

He

> > > > would

> > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as indicated

by

> > the

> > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the 12th

> > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the

> > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

After

> > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married life

as

> > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > predictions

> > > > that

> > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is Ar

> > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion on

Ar

> > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

only)

> > Let

> > > us

> > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

single

> > Asc

> > > > (Ar

> > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > prediction

> > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

would

> > > come

> > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such prediction

was

> > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such

> > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > argument is

> > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play. Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Pradeep,

Sorry! I didn't realize I was interjecting in a specific thread!

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

vedic astrology [vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of vijayadas_pradeepFriday, January 06, 2006 4:10 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict

with Lagna alone!!! - An exercise.

Dear Ramesh jiIf i am allowed to intervene.The name of this whole exercise,is

''predict with Lagna alone''.I feel the purpose is to study the effects of

various rashis coming as Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is

understood in relation with the nature of other rashis taking the role of

remaining 11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra parameters.We

are not even considering planetary placements at this stage.It may be worth

listening to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.Regarding vargas kindly study

shadbalas.Please see where bhavas are taken for finding digbala,bhava ala

etc.Kind regdsPradeepvedic astrology, "Ramesh F.

Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:>> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

||> > Dear Jyothi,> It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L.

Also A3 placement> w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger siblin g.

How are the> corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd sign

and> sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3 may also

give> some clue.> Best Wishes,> Ramesh> > > > >

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] On

Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi> Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM> To:

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict

with Lagna alone!!! - An> exercise.> > Dear Sir,> > > Can you confirm what will

be the effects of 3rd wrt Aries Lagna?> The person I know (Aries rasi) has a

very pretty sister, but the person,> though apparently on good terms with her,

in fact is jealous of her(!). I> mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister

relationship. Can I conclude it< br>> is becuase the third lord from Aries,

Mercury is an enemey of Mars? Two> other people whom I know with Aries Lagna

are also not much attached to> their co-borns. > > If I am wrong pls correct.>

> Regards,> jyothi > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

"Sreenadh" sreelid> wrote:> >> > Dear panditarjun ji,> > You said:> > >

after studying various types of predictive sciences and in vedic > > >

astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional> charts > > > etc.,

i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and> navamsha > > > akin to

understanding a tree and its fruits. > > You can, but I don't agree. Every

system has its own value. If > > ; somebody mastered these systems it is good,

and appreciate them.> But > > the point is all these (systems, layouts,

parameter or what ever> you > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout

i.e. NATAL CHART. And> the > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART

is understanding> the > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

fundamentals. > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:> > > You are right. But

those who have written books on chakras,> balas, > > > padas, kalchakra dasa,

divisional charts, etc. may not agree with > > > you. They will continue

discussions even if that causes confusion.> > I agree with his words. Therefore

let us accept all those various > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts

etc, but before that let> us > > try to joyously understand the basics, that

was my only point. > Instead > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in

which I am also just> a > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only

appeal to the > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we

are> going > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to>

answer > > some more questions.> > You said:> > > At the end of the astro

analytical exercise, the native is not > > > interested in a colourful

powerpoint slidesow of various pie> charts, > > > barcharts, strength graphs

and hundreds of pages citing classics > > > what this denotes and what that

connotes which are all > > > contradictory.> > I agree completely!!! You said

it!!!> > To Vinkum you wrote:> > > each branc h of predictive science is great

in its own way. > whatever > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a

native, if the objective> of > > > the querent in finding reasons for his

problems and getting > > > solutions is met, it does justice.> > If you were

mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to the > > statement that it is

another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is NOT > > another predictive system.

But instead it is the basic layout on> which > > all the predictive systems

stands. Without Natal chart no balas, > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart

Signs, Houses, Stellar > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am

just speaking> about > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just

the system of > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!!

NOT a > > new system!!&g t; > > > Dear Jyothi ji,> > You said:> > > I didnt

understand what is there to predict in this. If it is > > > sharing the

characteristics of Aries people one knows, that one> can > > > do. Otherwise I

dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. > > I can understand you. But

there may be others who can really > > understand, and get benefited by this

exercise. . Understanding> the > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of

prediction. Since once> the > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to

the qurent, then it > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.> > You

said:> > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because whatever

> > > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them are by default > > >

present and not something going to happen in future (like boldness, > > > being

aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).> > That means you never read that mail

with attention. Considering> my > > first mail, I said that: > > 1) He would

probably be the eldest.> > 2) He will have a good wife> > 3) He will not be

satisfied with his job.> > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would

take the > > responsibilities at home.> > 5) He will have more than one younger

brothers/sisters.> > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at

middle> age.> > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How many of

them > > are the default present and not something going> to > > happen?!! If

some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25) comes> to > > you, and if you

have this much prior knowledge about him is it not > > important!!! Only a

person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now if> you > > say that he will soon

get a job, or that he will have a heart> attack > > in middle age etc, is it

not a prediction ?!> > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with

Lagna> alone. > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna

alone. > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)> > It not

trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is> trying > > to understand

the Natal chart. And there also starting from the > > basics. In light of your

above words, I agree to the fact that> you > > fail to understand the usefulness

of this exercise. But feel free, > > and just ignore this discussion, as I said

earlier there may be others > > who feel that this discussion is beneficial to

them. . My regards to > > your efforts to understand this basic issue> of > >

Understanding the nature of Asc.> > > > Dear Maniv,> > you said> > > As an

Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the > > > description below

extremely accurate. I must praise your analysis > > > that is based solely on

the position of the signs with reference> to > > > Aries in the first - this is

truly an amazing feat.> > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

practice!!! It> IS > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one

of the > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a new>

feat > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers > >

follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to learn > > about

Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the Natal > > chart the first

step is understanding the Asc. I am just speaking > > about that, and inviting

everybody to do the same, if they are > > interested in this exercise, so that

new bees may benefit with that > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be

well versed in it,> since > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I

thought that a > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.>

> > > Dear RNU,> > You asked:> > > According to this method are we to come to

the conclusion that> all > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please

explain.> > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic layout. >

All > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction is > >

modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas etc.> But > > if

only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can> apply > > the

modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding the > > basic

layout, and NOT a new method.> > > > I hope that most of the questions are

answered. But I feel sad,> since > > I have seen nobody coming forward to re

ally participate in the > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji,

Srinivas ji, PVR ji, > > all other persons who are well versed in the

fundamentals, why you> are > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on

the same? I feel sad > > because this discussion is diverting from the main

point, i.e. Ar> Asc, > > and is going to the side tracks.> > Love,> > Sreenadh>

> > > > > vedic astrology, "renunw" renunw> wrote:>

> >> > > ---Dear Gurujis> > > > > > According to this method are we to come to

the conclusion that> all > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?> > > > > >

please explain.> > > > > > thanks> > > > > > blessings> > > > > > RNW&g t; > >

> > vedic astrology, "maniv1321" > maniv1321 > >

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like

to say that I found the > > > description below extremely accurate. I must

praise your analysis > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs

with reference> to > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.> >

> > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Maniv> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to

predict in this. If it> is > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one

knows, that one> can > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in

this case. > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most

of> > them> > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

future > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).> > >

And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna> alone. > > > If

that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone. > > > (Otherwise

also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)> > > > > > Sorry if I didnt

understand the exercise properly. > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > --- In

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004" > > panditarjun2004

wrote:> > >> > > dear friend vinkum> > > > ; > > each branch of predictive

science is great in its own way. > whatever > > > way the astrologer reads and

predicts a native, if the objective> of > > > the querent in finding reasons

for his problems and getting > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are

citing various ways> of > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists,

numorologists,> tarot > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants,

gem therapists, > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of

predictions and > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

medicine> too, > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

homeopathy, > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks. we> all > > >

live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another. off> late > > > the

querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer to do > > > some value

addition in his services and give value for his> money. > > > even though it is

written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days even > > > jyotishis have been treated

like this. but i always remember a > > > great quotation written by a famous

doctor prominently displayed> at > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".>

> > > > > with best wishes> > > arjun> > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "vinkum111" > vinkum111 > > > wrote:> > >

>> > > > Hello Panditarjun,> > > > > > > > You are right. But those who have

written books on chakras ,> balas, > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional

charts, etc. may not agree> with > > > > you. They will continue discussions

even if that causes> confusion. > > > > > > > > Vinkum> > --- In

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004" > > panditarjun2004

wrote:> > >> > > dear friend> > > > > > after studying various types of

predictive sciences and in vedic > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras,

vargas, divisional> charts > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to

the lagna and> navamsha > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

Lalkitab system> which > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of

sticking only to > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.> > >

; > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is not > > >

interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie> charts, > > >

barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing classics > > > what

this denotes and what that connotes which are all > > > contradictory. the

objective of the astrologer shall be like> that > > > of a doctor to do correct

diagnosis and cure the native of his> pain > > > or suffering.> > > > > > with

best wishes> > > arjun> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"Sreenadh" sreelid> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jyothi ji,> > > > Yes.

You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna is > > > > applicable to

Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many other s states> > > the> > > > same) Or

better what ever is applicable to Lagna is applicable> to > > > all> > > > the

planets!! Why?!! I will explain.> > > > Lagna is something without any

characteristics. (It is right> that > > > we> > > > thing about many things

using Lagna House). Lagna by itself is> the > > > > significator of nothing,

but it is right that Lagna sign+house > > > > signifies several things. But

take moon placed in a sign. Moon> is > > > the> > > > significator of several

things, and that sign+house in which> (even > > > if> > > > it is lagna house

or anything else) it is posited signifies> > > several> > > > things. So the

out put would be a mix of the characteristics of> > > > Moon+Sign+Hou se. But

for Lagna it it the significator of> > > nothing!!! So> > > > the only

prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House > > > > predictions!!!> > >

> In short it means that when we speak about predicting with> Lagna > > > >

alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House> > > prediction,> > >

> which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,> Vargas > > > >

etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna is > > > >

something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore when> we > > > are>

> > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-bhava > > > >

prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting with> Ar > > > >

Asc) applies there as well!! > > > > Think of pr edicting about somebody's

father for which Su is> > > placed in> > > > Ar. What we are supposed to

predict is Ar Sign+House effects> (The > > > same> > > > predictions given for

Ar Asc) + The special predictions of Su> in > > > Ar. > > > > In short we are

going back to the basics!!! We are trying to> > > start> > > > with a blank

slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying to> > > populate> > > > the board

with coins (planets) and learning to predict with> > > them!!! > > > > As

somebody else said, few days back, every planet or> combination > > > in> > > >

the zodiac has something unique to say about that individual,> > > which is> > >

> independent of the placement of all the other planets!!! > > > > If somebody

is trying to consider all parameters and trying to > > > > predict something he

will end up stating that something is> squared > > > to> > > > something and

such and such combination exists, which are> useless > > > > statements as far

as a client is concerned. What he is> interested > > > is> > > > in getting the

output, that is actual prediction that is> related > > > to> > > > his life!!

The astrologer should be able understand and predict> > > the> > > > life

incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't send> any > > > > personal

mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope> after > > > > hearing this!!

I am nor interested in, nor have time to answer> > > such> > > > mails). The

huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent. So my> > > gurugi> > > > says,

predict something for each and every thing you see on the > > > > horoscope.> >

> > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya> sign, > > > >

which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will have> > > more> > >

> than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The shape> of > > >

the> > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical> instrument. >

> > So I> > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the other>

is a > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters, and> >

> there> > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one> > >

younger> > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as well. >

> > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers and> > >

sisters> > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.> > > > If you feel that

your doubt is answered properly, please come> > > forward> > > > and boldly

participate in the exercise. Just use your logic and > > > > intuition, since

not much prior knowledge is necessary to make> > > such> > > > predictions. Let

others decide whether your predictions are> > > correct or> > > > not, just

stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked> you > > > to> > > > forget

the classics, you should feel more free, and should> > ; > joyfully> > > >

engage in this play I would suggest. Love, Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > ---

In vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > >

jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > > > > > >

> Not participating in the excercise, but let me ask> one > > > > > thing. Is

this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi> (moon > > > > sign)?> > > > >

Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star) and> 99% > > > of> > >

> > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people, is> > > true in> >

> > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would like> to > > >

add,> > > > > wrt to her, is> > > > > 1. Highly dominating. > > > > > 2. Has a

good sense of humour. > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4.

Bold and > > > > > courageous.> > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she

rarely cries!!) 6. (Never > > > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)> >

> > > > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short lived).> >

> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" > > >

sreelid> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear frineds,> > > > > > I

invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict> based > > > on> > > > >

each> > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.> > > > > > 1) Prediction should be

based on Sign, Houses, Exaltation> & > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas

alone.> > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except the> > >

natal> > > > Asc> > > > > > (Legna).> > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even

though this kind of> prediction > > > is> > > > > > totally based on the

classics) and follow the logic. Forget> > > the D-> > > > > > Charts/Varga

charts and Planetary position. It is only the> > > Leg na> > > > > and> > > > >

> the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important to us> > > (in> > > > >

this> > > > > > exersise). > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to

make newer and newer > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple

rules described> > > below,> > > > > and> > > > > > while making each

prediction should explain why and how> they > > > made> > > > > > that

prediction. In an effort to help others in> understanding > > > > their> > > >

> > view.> > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of (Sign,>

> > Houses,> > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.> > > > > > Hope

that at least some of them would be interested in> > > > > participating> > > >

> > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and> would > > > stop> >

> > > in> > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and sh!!!! I>

> > plan> > > > to> > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes. Let

us start > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > Aris Lagna> > > > >

> ----------> > > > > > Shape: Got. > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love

travel, will like hot> food, > > > will> > > > > > have leadership qualities,

would like to be part of a> group, > > > will> > > > > > like adventure, would

like to be honored by others, his> lower > > > part> > > > > of> > > > > > the

body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to the> > > upper> > > > > part>

> > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc etc Lord > > > >

> > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive, would like > > > > > > weapons

and> > > fights,> > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the

one whom> he > > > > love,> > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.>

> > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his brothers> > > and>

> > > > > sisters, if not he w ill take the responsibility in house> > >

similar> > > > to> > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior,

leadership> quality, > > > love> > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).>

> > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in> 10th, > > > >

> > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his job. > But > > > the> >

> > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his job> > > will be>

> > > > as> > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

never> > > got a> > > > > job> > > > > > that is up to the quality of his

ability, and that he> deserved > > > a> > > > > > better job. Ma a nd Sa.

Indicates that he is working either> in > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or

that his job could be Supervisor,> > > Driver,> > > > > > Technician etc. (you

can extend this list) There would be> many > > > > > above> > > > > > him, and

many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is> > > > debilitated> > > > > > in

4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the> family > > > > > >

relations and that will not get due respect there,> especially > > > in> > > >

> > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His mother> will > > > > > >

suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord and > > > > > >

significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house> (Money) > > > > >

starting> > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

him,> as > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting from>

> > Legna). > > > > > He> > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age,

since the Ma> (lagna > > > > > lord)> > > > > > is debilitated in the heart

(Karkata) of kalapurusha. It is> > > also> > > > > > indicated by the fact that

Ma is also the lord of 8th. He> will > > > > have> > > > > > less hear only by

middle age, since Su is exalted in Legna. > He > > > > > would> > > > > > have

lost his father in the early age itself as indicated> by > > > the> > > > > >

lordship of Ju not only of 9th hous e but also of the 12th> > > > > >

(loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking the > > > > > >

responsibilities of home at an early age.> > > > > > He will have a good wife,

since the lord of 7th is Ve. > After > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take

care of a happy married life> as > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of

2nd and 7th house. > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the

possible> > > predictions> > > > > that> > > > > > could be made after knowing

that one person is born is Ar> > > > > Ascendant. > > > > > > So I invite

everybody to participate in this discussion on> Ar > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes,

let us discuss the other Lagnas later> only) > > > ; Let> > > > us> > > > > >

understand the laws and system of prediction using the> single > > > Asc> > > >

> (Ar> > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in> > > >

prediction> > > > > > with other Ascendants.> > > > > > While this discussion is

in progress, I hope that many> would > > > > come> > > > > > forward with

statements such as, such and such prediction> was > > > > > > accurate

concerning this and this horoscopes, such and such > > > > > > predictions were

wrong in real experience although the> > > argument is> > > > > > logically

correct, etc etc. Let us start the play. Love, > & gt; > > > > Sreenadh> > > >

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January 6, 2006

Aries LAGNA

Aries lagna topic without planets and bhavas is like discussing

Mahabharat without any charecters.

wonder how you do it

Kartheek

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh ji

>

> If i am allowed to intervene.

> The name of this whole exercise,is ''predict with Lagna alone''.I

feel the purpose is to study the effects of various rashis coming as

Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is understood in relation

with the nature of other rashis taking the role of remaining

11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra parameters.We

are not even considering planetary placements at this stage.It may be

worth listening to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.

> Regarding vargas kindly study shadbalas.Please see where bhavas are

taken for finding digbala,bhava ala etc.

>

> Kind regds

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> >

> > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> > It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L. Also A3

placement

> > w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling. How

are the

> > corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd

sign and

> > sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3 may

also give

> > some clue.

> > Best Wishes,

> > Ramesh

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna

alone!!! - An

> > exercise.

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt

Aries Lagna?

> > The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but the

person,

> > though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is jealous of

her(!). I

> > mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship. Can I

conclude it

> > is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey of

Mars? Two

> > other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not much

attached to

> > their co-borns.

> >

> > If I am wrong pls correct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" sreelid

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > > You said:

> > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

vedic

> > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > charts

> > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> > navamsha

> > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own value.

If

> > > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate them.

> > But

> > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what ever

> > you

> > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL CHART.

And

> > the

> > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is

understanding

> > the

> > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

fundamentals.

> > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> > balas,

> > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

with

> > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

confusion.

> > > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those

various

> > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before that

let

> > us

> > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only point.

> > Instead

> > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am also

just

> > a

> > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal to

the

> > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we are

> > going

> > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try to

> > answer

> > > some more questions.

> > > You said:

> > > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

not

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > charts,

> > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics

> > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > contradictory.

> > > ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> > whatever

> > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

objective

> > of

> > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree, to

the

> > > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It is

NOT

> > > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic layout on

> > which

> > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no

balas,

> > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses, Stellar

> > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just speaking

> > about

> > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the system

of

> > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a component!!!

NOT a

> > > new system!!

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > You said:

> > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If it is

> > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

one

> > can

> > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

case.

> > > I can understand you. But there may be others who can

really

> > > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. .

Understanding

> > the

> > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since once

> > the

> > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent,

then it

> > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > > You said:

> > > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case. Because

whatever

> > > > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them are by

default

> > > > present and not something going to happen in future (like

boldness,

> > > > being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > That means you never read that mail with attention.

Considering

> > my

> > > first mail, I said that:

> > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > 2) He will have a good wife

> > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > responsibilities at home.

> > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at middle

> > age.

> > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How many of

them

> > > are the default present and not something going

> > to

> > > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25)

comes

> > to

> > > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is it

not

> > > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!! Now

if

> > you

> > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a heart

> > attack

> > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > alone.

> > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone. But is

> > trying

> > > to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting from

the

> > > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the fact

that

> > you

> > > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise. But

feel free,

> > > and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there may be

others

> > > who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. . My

regards to

> > > your efforts to understand this basic issue

> > of

> > > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> > >

> > > Dear Maniv,

> > > you said

> > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

analysis

> > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

reference

> > to

> > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

practice!!! It

> > IS

> > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of the

> > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not a

new

> > feat

> > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of astrologers

> > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on to

learn

> > > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the

Natal

> > > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

speaking

> > > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they are

> > > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit with

that

> > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in it,

> > since

> > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that a

> > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

> > >

> > > Dear RNU,

> > > You asked:

> > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

> > all

> > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic

layout.

> > All

> > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic prediction

is

> > > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas, desas

etc.

> > But

> > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he can

> > apply

> > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about understanding

the

> > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > >

> > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel sad,

> > since

> > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in the

> > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji, PVR

ji,

> > > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals, why

you

> > are

> > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I feel

sad

> > > because this discussion is diverting from the main point, i.e.

Ar

> > Asc,

> > > and is going to the side tracks.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "renunw" renunw

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > > >

> > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion that

> > all

> > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > > >

> > > > please explain.

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > RNW

> > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> > maniv1321

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found the

> > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

analysis

> > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

reference

> > to

> > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If

it

> > is

> > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows, that

one

> > can

> > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in this

case.

> > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here, most

of

> > > them

> > > > are by default present and not something going to happen in

future

> > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with Lagna

> > alone.

> > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna alone.

> > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friend vinkum

> > > >

> > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own way.

> > whatever

> > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

objective

> > of

> > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and getting

> > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing various

ways

> > of

> > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists, numorologists,

> > tarot

> > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

therapists,

> > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of predictions

and

> > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

medicine

> > too,

> > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

homeopathy,

> > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's only

> > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he knocks.

we

> > all

> > > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one another.

off

> > late

> > > > the querent has become demanding and expects the astrologer

to do

> > > > some value addition in his services and give value for his

> > money.

> > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these days

even

> > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always remember

a

> > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

displayed

> > at

> > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > vinkum111

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on chakras,

> > balas,

> > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not agree

> > with

> > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> > confusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinkum

> > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friend

> > > >

> > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and in

vedic

> > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas, divisional

> > charts

> > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna and

> > navamsha

> > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab system

> > which

> > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking

only to

> > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > > >

> > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native is

not

> > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various pie

> > charts,

> > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

classics

> > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be like

> > that

> > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native of his

> > pain

> > > > or suffering.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

sreelid

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to Lagna

is

> > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many others

states

> > > > the

> > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

applicable

> > to

> > > > all

> > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is

right

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by itself

is

> > the

> > > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

sign+house

> > > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a sign.

Moon

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in which

> > (even

> > > > if

> > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited signifies

> > > > several

> > > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the

characteristics of

> > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > > > nothing!!! So

> > > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is Sign+House

> > > > > predictions!!!

> > > > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting with

> > Lagna

> > > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the Sign+House

> > > > prediction,

> > > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like planets,

> > Vargas

> > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since Lagna

is

> > > > > something without any special characteristics!!! Therefore

when

> > we

> > > > are

> > > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for bhavat-

bhava

> > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while predicting

with

> > Ar

> > > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which Su is

> > > > placed in

> > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House effects

> > (The

> > > > same

> > > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions of

Su

> > in

> > > > Ar.

> > > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are trying

to

> > > > start

> > > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then trying

to

> > > > populate

> > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict with

> > > > them!!!

> > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

> > combination

> > > > in

> > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that

individual,

> > > > which is

> > > > > independent of the placement of all the other planets!!!

> > > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and

trying to

> > > > > predict something he will end up stating that something is

> > squared

> > > > to

> > > > > something and such and such combination exists, which are

> > useless

> > > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> > interested

> > > > is

> > > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > related

> > > > to

> > > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

predict

> > > > the

> > > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please don't

send

> > any

> > > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's horoscope

> > after

> > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

answer

> > > > such

> > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the qurent.

So my

> > > > gurugi

> > > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you see on

the

> > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an Ubhaya

> > sign,

> > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he will

have

> > > > more

> > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born). The

shape

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> > instrument.

> > > > So I

> > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the

other

> > is a

> > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and sisters,

and

> > > > there

> > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother and one

> > > > younger

> > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house as

well.

> > > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his brothers

and

> > > > sisters

> > > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly, please

come

> > > > forward

> > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your logic

and

> > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary to

make

> > > > such

> > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions are

> > > > correct or

> > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I asked

> > you

> > > > to

> > > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and should

> > > > joyfully

> > > > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love, Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let me

ask

> > one

> > > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries Rasi

> > (moon

> > > > > sign)?

> > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani star)

and

> > 99%

> > > > of

> > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries people,

is

> > > > true in

> > > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I would

like

> > to

> > > > add,

> > > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4. Bold and

> > > > > > courageous.

> > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!) 6.

(Never

> > > > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short

lived).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > sreelid

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to predict

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

Exaltation

> > &

> > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered, except

the

> > > > natal

> > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> > prediction

> > > > is

> > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the logic.

Forget

> > > > the D-

> > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is only

the

> > > > Legna

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is important

to us

> > > > (in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer and

newer

> > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

described

> > > > below,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and how

> > they

> > > > made

> > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> > understanding

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of

(Sign,

> > > > Houses,

> > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be interested in

> > > > > > participating

> > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise, and

> > would

> > > > stop

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

sh!!!! I

> > > > plan

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes. Let

us start

> > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like hot

> > food,

> > > > will

> > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of a

> > group,

> > > > will

> > > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others, his

> > lower

> > > > part

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared to

the

> > > > upper

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations. etc

etc Lord

> > > > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive, would

like

> > > > > > > weapons and

> > > > fights,

> > > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the one

whom

> > he

> > > > > love,

> > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

brothers

> > > > and

> > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in house

> > > > similar

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> > quality,

> > > > love

> > > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is exalted in

> > 10th,

> > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in his

job.

> > But

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that his

job

> > > > will be

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that he

never

> > > > got a

> > > > > > job

> > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that he

> > deserved

> > > > a

> > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

either

> > in

> > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

Supervisor,

> > > > Driver,

> > > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There would

be

> > many

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna lord) is

> > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to the

> > family

> > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> > especially

> > > > in

> > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

mother

> > will

> > > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht lord

and

> > > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

> > (Money)

> > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties faced

him,

> > as

> > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th (starting

from

> > > > Legna).

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since the Ma

> > (lagna

> > > > > > lord)

> > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of kalapurusha.

It is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of 8th.

He

> > will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted in

Legna.

> > He

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as

indicated

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of the

12th

> > > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his taking

the

> > > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is Ve.

> > After

> > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy married

life

> > as

> > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th house.

> > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > > > predictions

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born is

Ar

> > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this discussion

on

> > Ar

> > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas later

> > only)

> > > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using the

> > single

> > > > Asc

> > > > > > (Ar

> > > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same concepts in

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that many

> > would

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such

prediction

> > was

> > > > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such and

such

> > > > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although the

> > > > argument is

> > > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the play.

Love,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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January 7, 2006

Dear Vijayadas

It is not just me who feels this. This list is not a place for

Teaching kindergarden Children. Mr.Sreenadh Thinks That we are

kindergarden students,which is sad. He thinks this is a game, and we

will do ringa ringa roses,baba blacksheep and what NOT.

Kartheek

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh ji

>

> Thanks for your kind understanding.

>

> Pradeep

>

> Dear Karthik

>

> This is just the first step. Modification factors will be taken

into account in a step by step fashion,before arriving at final

judgements.I feel Sreenadh is trying to share the traditional

systematic way of approaching a horoscope.Pls give a patient ear .

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "kartheek_v2000"

<kartheek_v2000> wrote:

> >

> > Aries LAGNA

> >

> > Aries lagna topic without planets and bhavas is like discussing

> > Mahabharat without any charecters.

> > wonder how you do it

> >

> > Kartheek

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh ji

> > >

> > > If i am allowed to intervene.

> > > The name of this whole exercise,is ''predict with Lagna

alone''.I

> > feel the purpose is to study the effects of various rashis coming

as

> > Lagna Bhava(one among the 12 Bhavas).This is understood in

relation

> > with the nature of other rashis taking the role of remaining

> > 11,bhavas.Thus it may not be helpful bringing in extra

parameters.We

> > are not even considering planetary placements at this stage.It

may be

> > worth listening to a learned scholar like Sreenadh.

> > > Regarding vargas kindly study shadbalas.Please see where bhavas

are

> > taken for finding digbala,bhava ala etc.

> > >

> > > Kind regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

> > ramesh.gangaramani wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > > It may be interesting to check the house placement of 3L.

Also A3

> > placement

> > > > w.r.t. AL. Presume you are speaking about younger sibling.

How

> > are the

> > > > corresponding lords placed in D3 chart? If D3 lagna is in odd

> > sign and

> > > > sibling is immediate younger, placement of 3L w.r.t. LL in D3

may

> > also give

> > > > some clue.

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Ramesh

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:09 PM

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Let us predict with Lagna

> > alone!!! - An

> > > > exercise.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Can you confirm what will be the effects of 3rd wrt

> > Aries Lagna?

> > > > The person I know (Aries rasi) has a very pretty sister, but

the

> > person,

> > > > though apparently on good terms with her, in fact is jealous

of

> > her(!). I

> > > > mean they dont share a sincere sister-sister relationship.

Can I

> > conclude it

> > > > is becuase the third lord from Aries, Mercury is an enemey of

> > Mars? Two

> > > > other people whom I know with Aries Lagna are also not much

> > attached to

> > > > their co-borns.

> > > >

> > > > If I am wrong pls correct.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

sreelid

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear panditarjun ji,

> > > > > You said:

> > > > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and

in

> > vedic

> > > > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas,

divisional

> > > > charts

> > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna

and

> > > > navamsha

> > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits.

> > > > > You can, but I don't agree. Every system has its own

value.

> > If

> > > > > somebody mastered these systems it is good, and appreciate

them.

> > > > But

> > > > > the point is all these (systems, layouts, parameter or what

ever

> > > > you

> > > > > name them) depend on the fundamental layout i.e. NATAL

CHART.

> > And

> > > > the

> > > > > first step in learning to understand NATAL CHART is

> > understanding

> > > > the

> > > > > nature of each Asc!!! And I am speaking about these

> > fundamentals.

> > > > > Look at what Vinkum says to you:

> > > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on

chakras,

> > > > balas,

> > > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not

agree

> > with

> > > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> > confusion.

> > > > > I agree with his words. Therefore let us accept all those

> > various

> > > > > balas, chakras, vargas, divisional charts etc, but before

that

> > let

> > > > us

> > > > > try to joyously understand the basics, that was my only

point.

> > > > Instead

> > > > > of stating it, I have started an Exercise, in which I am

also

> > just

> > > > a

> > > > > participant. Let us play together, that was my only appeal

to

> > the

> > > > > fellow players!!! All these discussions are side track - we

are

> > > > going

> > > > > away from the Point i.e. ARIS Asc!!! But still I would try

to

> > > > answer

> > > > > some more questions.

> > > > > You said:

> > > > > > At the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native

is

> > not

> > > > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various

pie

> > > > charts,

> > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> > classics

> > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > > > contradictory.

> > > > > ) I agree completely!!! You said it!!!

> > > > > To Vinkum you wrote:

> > > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own

way.

> > > > whatever

> > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> > objective

> > > > of

> > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and

getting

> > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice.

> > > > > If you were mentioning this Ar Asc exercise, I disagree,

to

> > the

> > > > > statement that it is another (!!!) branch of astrology!! It

is

> > NOT

> > > > > another predictive system. But instead it is the basic

layout on

> > > > which

> > > > > all the predictive systems stands. Without Natal chart no

> > balas,

> > > > > vargas etc exists. And In natal chart Signs, Houses,

Stellar

> > > > > divisions, Planets etc comes into existence. I am just

speaking

> > > > about

> > > > > a piece of the Natal chart that is Asc!!! It is just the

system

> > of

> > > > > divide and study - that is analytical study of a

component!!!

> > NOT a

> > > > > new system!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > You said:

> > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this. If

it is

> > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows,

that

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in

this

> > case.

> > > > > I can understand you. But there may be others who can

> > really

> > > > > understand, and get benefited by this exercise. .

> > Understanding

> > > > the

> > > > > nature of a horoscope is nothing short of prediction. Since

once

> > > > the

> > > > > astrologer understands it, he tells about it to the qurent,

> > then it

> > > > > becomes a prediction. I think you know about it.

> > > > > You said:

> > > > > > I dont get whats meant by prediction in this case.

Because

> > whatever

> > > > > > are the characteristics mentioned here, most of them are

by

> > default

> > > > > > present and not something going to happen in future (like

> > boldness,

> > > > > > being aggressive, leadership qualities etc.).

> > > > > That means you never read that mail with attention.

> > Considering

> > > > my

> > > > > first mail, I said that:

> > > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.

> > > > > 2) He will have a good wife

> > > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.

> > > > > 4) His father would be short lived, and he would take the

> > > > > responsibilities at home.

> > > > > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.

> > > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at

middle

> > > > age.

> > > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald headed. etc How

many of

> > them

> > > > > are the default present and not something going

> > > > to

> > > > > happen?!! If some one born of Ar Asc (Let approx age be 25)

> > comes

> > > > to

> > > > > you, and if you have this much prior knowledge about him is

it

> > not

> > > > > important!!! Only a person blind to astrology can say so!!!

Now

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > say that he will soon get a job, or that he will have a

heart

> > > > attack

> > > > > in middle age etc, is it not a prediction ?!

> > > > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with

Lagna

> > > > alone.

> > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna

alone.

> > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > > > It not trying to predict something with Lagna alone.

But is

> > > > trying

> > > > > to understand the Natal chart. And there also starting

from

> > the

> > > > > basics. In light of your above words, I agree to the

fact

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > fail to understand the usefulness of this exercise. But

> > feel free,

> > > > > and just ignore this discussion, as I said earlier there

may be

> > others

> > > > > who feel that this discussion is beneficial to them. . My

> > regards to

> > > > > your efforts to understand this basic issue

> > > > of

> > > > > Understanding the nature of Asc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Maniv,

> > > > > you said

> > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found

the

> > > > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

> > analysis

> > > > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> > reference

> > > > to

> > > > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > > Thanks. But it not something new, it is the age old

> > practice!!! It

> > > > IS

> > > > > the SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY!!! I am just speaking about one of

the

> > > > > starting point of learning and using astrology!!! It is not

a

> > new

> > > > feat

> > > > > accomplished by me!!! It is the system thousands of

astrologers

> > > > > follow. If only one understands Natal chart, he can go on

to

> > learn

> > > > > about Balas, Dasas, Vargas etc. In trying to understand the

> > Natal

> > > > > chart the first step is understanding the Asc. I am just

> > speaking

> > > > > about that, and inviting everybody to do the same, if they

are

> > > > > interested in this exercise, so that new bees may benefit

with

> > that

> > > > > exercise!! I think that the gurugis would be well versed in

it,

> > > > since

> > > > > it is the first step, and they know much. So I thought that

a

> > > > > discussion of the same may a lot of new bees. That is all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RNU,

> > > > > You asked:

> > > > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion

that

> > > > all

> > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate? please explain.

> > > > > Not at all !! Asc and the 12 signs provide is the basic

> > layout.

> > > > All

> > > > > the planets are super imposed on it. i.e. The basic

prediction

> > is

> > > > > modified by the planetary combinations, vargas, balas,

desas

> > etc.

> > > > But

> > > > > if only the astrologer knows the basic nature, then only he

can

> > > > apply

> > > > > the modifications - right?! Yes, it is all about

understanding

> > the

> > > > > basic layout, and NOT a new method.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope that most of the questions are answered. But I feel

sad,

> > > > since

> > > > > I have seen nobody coming forward to really participate in

the

> > > > > exercise. Dear Dakshinamoorthi ji, Pradeep ji, Srinivas ji,

PVR

> > ji,

> > > > > all other persons who are well versed in the fundamentals,

why

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > not coming forward and share your knowledge on the same? I

feel

> > sad

> > > > > because this discussion is diverting from the main point,

i.e.

> > Ar

> > > > Asc,

> > > > > and is going to the side tracks.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "renunw" renunw

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ---Dear Gurujis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to this method are we to come to the conclusion

that

> > > > all

> > > > > > Aries beings undergo the same fate?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please explain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RNW

> > > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "maniv1321"

> > > > maniv1321

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As an Aries ascendant, I would like to say that I found

the

> > > > > > description below extremely accurate. I must praise your

> > analysis

> > > > > > that is based solely on the position of the signs with

> > reference

> > > > to

> > > > > > Aries in the first - this is truly an amazing feat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maniv

> > > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I didnt understand what is there to predict in this.

If

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > sharing the characteristics of Aries people one knows,

that

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > do. Otherwise I dont get whats meant by prediction in

this

> > case.

> > > > > > Because whatever are the characteristics mentioned here,

most

> > of

> > > > > them

> > > > > > are by default present and not something going to happen

in

> > future

> > > > > > (like boldness, being aggressive, leadership qualities

etc.).

> > > > > > And I doubt if prediction of an event can be done with

Lagna

> > > > alone.

> > > > > > If that is what you meant I am unable to do with Lagna

alone.

> > > > > > (Otherwise also, I have to learn a lot before I do!!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry if I didnt understand the exercise properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear friend vinkum

> > > > > >

> > > > > > each branch of predictive science is great in its own

way.

> > > > whatever

> > > > > > way the astrologer reads and predicts a native, if the

> > objective

> > > > of

> > > > > > the querent in finding reasons for his problems and

getting

> > > > > > solutions is met, it does justice. you are citing

various

> > ways

> > > > of

> > > > > > reading within vedic astrology, but palmists,

numorologists,

> > > > tarot

> > > > > > readers, lalkitabees, facereaders, clairvoyants, gem

> > therapists,

> > > > > > colour therapists are all doing their own way of

predictions

> > and

> > > > > > they too have billions of believers and followers. in

> > medicine

> > > > too,

> > > > > > you have so many branches like allopathy, ayurveda,

> > homeopathy,

> > > > > > unani, accupressure, accupuncture etc. but the patient's

only

> > > > > > concern is to find relief whichever doctor's door he

knocks.

> > we

> > > > all

> > > > > > live in mutual coexistence without criticisng one

another.

> > off

> > > > late

> > > > > > the querent has become demanding and expects the

astrologer

> > to do

> > > > > > some value addition in his services and give value for his

> > > > money.

> > > > > > even though it is written "vaidyo narayano hari" these

days

> > even

> > > > > > jyotishis have been treated like this. but i always

remember

> > a

> > > > > > great quotation written by a famous doctor prominently

> > displayed

> > > > at

> > > > > > a hospital. "I treats, He(god) cures".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "vinkum111"

> > > > vinkum111

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Panditarjun,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are right. But those who have written books on

chakras,

> > > > balas,

> > > > > > > padas, kalchakra dasa, divisional charts, etc. may not

agree

> > > > with

> > > > > > > you. They will continue discussions even if that causes

> > > > confusion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vinkum

> > > > > vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > panditarjun2004 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > >

> > > > > > after studying various types of predictive sciences and

in

> > vedic

> > > > > > astrology itself various balas, chakras, vargas,

divisional

> > > > charts

> > > > > > etc., i have personally been sticking only to the lagna

and

> > > > navamsha

> > > > > > akin to understanding a tree and its fruits. Lalkitab

system

> > > > which

> > > > > > is gaining more popularity is for this reason of sticking

> > only to

> > > > > > one chart which in vedic can be termed lagna chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > at the end of the astro analytical exercise, the native

is

> > not

> > > > > > interested in a colourful powerpoint slidesow of various

pie

> > > > charts,

> > > > > > barcharts, strength graphs and hundreds of pages citing

> > classics

> > > > > > what this denotes and what that connotes which are all

> > > > > > contradictory. the objective of the astrologer shall be

like

> > > > that

> > > > > > of a doctor to do correct diagnosis and cure the native

of his

> > > > pain

> > > > > > or suffering.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > sreelid

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyothi ji,

> > > > > > > Yes. You said it right. What ever is applicable to

Lagna

> > is

> > > > > > > applicable to Moon sign as well. (Mihira and many

others

> > states

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same) Or better what ever is applicable to Lagna is

> > applicable

> > > > to

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the planets!! Why?!! I will explain.

> > > > > > > Lagna is something without any characteristics. (It is

> > right

> > > > that

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > thing about many things using Lagna House). Lagna by

itself

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > significator of nothing, but it is right that Lagna

> > sign+house

> > > > > > > signifies several things. But take moon placed in a

sign.

> > Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > significator of several things, and that sign+house in

which

> > > > (even

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > it is lagna house or anything else) it is posited

signifies

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > things. So the out put would be a mix of the

> > characteristics of

> > > > > > > Moon+Sign+House. But for Lagna it it the significator of

> > > > > > nothing!!! So

> > > > > > > the only prediction, we are drawing out langa is

Sign+House

> > > > > > > predictions!!!

> > > > > > > In short it means that when we speak about predicting

with

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > alone, we are speaking about understanding the

Sign+House

> > > > > > prediction,

> > > > > > > which is independent of all other parameters (like

planets,

> > > > Vargas

> > > > > > > etc)!!! It is even independent of Lagna itself, since

Lagna

> > is

> > > > > > > something without any special characteristics!!!

Therefore

> > when

> > > > we

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > taking any house or sign as the starting point for

bhavat-

> > bhava

> > > > > > > prediction, the same rule we master here (while

predicting

> > with

> > > > Ar

> > > > > > > Asc) applies there as well!!

> > > > > > > Think of predicting about somebody's father for which

Su is

> > > > > > placed in

> > > > > > > Ar. What we are supposed to predict is Ar Sign+House

effects

> > > > (The

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > predictions given for Ar Asc) + The special predictions

of

> > Su

> > > > in

> > > > > > Ar.

> > > > > > > In short we are going back to the basics!!! We are

trying

> > to

> > > > > > start

> > > > > > > with a blank slate, slowly proceeding further, then

trying

> > to

> > > > > > populate

> > > > > > > the board with coins (planets) and learning to predict

with

> > > > > > them!!!

> > > > > > > As somebody else said, few days back, every planet or

> > > > combination

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the zodiac has something unique to say about that

> > individual,

> > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > independent of the placement of all the other

planets!!!

> > > > > > > If somebody is trying to consider all parameters and

> > trying to

> > > > > > > predict something he will end up stating that something

is

> > > > squared

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > something and such and such combination exists, which

are

> > > > useless

> > > > > > > statements as far as a client is concerned. What he is

> > > > interested

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in getting the output, that is actual prediction that is

> > > > related

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > his life!! The astrologer should be able understand and

> > predict

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > life incidents of the qurent. (Dear friends, please

don't

> > send

> > > > any

> > > > > > > personal mails asking to predict about somebody's

horoscope

> > > > after

> > > > > > > hearing this!! I am nor interested in, nor have time to

> > answer

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > mails). The huge amount of maths is no use to the

qurent.

> > So my

> > > > > > gurugi

> > > > > > > says, predict something for each and every thing you

see on

> > the

> > > > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > For example. Considering Ar Asc, the 3rd house is an

Ubhaya

> > > > sign,

> > > > > > > which indicates a dual behavior. So I predict that he

will

> > have

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > than one co-born (since 3rd house indicates co-born).

The

> > shape

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > sign is a man with a weapon and a girl with a musical

> > > > instrument.

> > > > > > So I

> > > > > > > predict that possibly one of them is a boy and that the

> > other

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > girl. The 3rd house indicates younger brothers and

sisters,

> > and

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > for I will say that, he may have one younger brother

and one

> > > > > > younger

> > > > > > > sister. The lord of 3rd house is the lord of 6th house

as

> > well.

> > > > > > > Therefore I will predict that, later in life his

brothers

> > and

> > > > > > sisters

> > > > > > > may become his enemies. So it goes, on.

> > > > > > > If you feel that your doubt is answered properly,

please

> > come

> > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > and boldly participate in the exercise. Just use your

logic

> > and

> > > > > > > intuition, since not much prior knowledge is necessary

to

> > make

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > predictions. Let others decide whether your predictions

are

> > > > > > correct or

> > > > > > > not, just stick to the logic, that is all. . Since I

asked

> > > > you

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > forget the classics, you should feel more free, and

should

> > > > > > joyfully

> > > > > > > engage in this play I would suggest. Love, Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not participating in the excercise, but let

me

> > ask

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > thing. Is this only for Aries Lagna and not for Aries

Rasi

> > > > (moon

> > > > > > > sign)?

> > > > > > > > Because I know a person who is Aries rasi (Bharani

star)

> > and

> > > > 99%

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the characteristics you have mentioned for Aries

people,

> > is

> > > > > > true in

> > > > > > > > her case. It was really amazing. Other things, I

would

> > like

> > > > to

> > > > > > add,

> > > > > > > > wrt to her, is

> > > > > > > > 1. Highly dominating.

> > > > > > > > 2. Has a good sense of humour.

> > > > > > > > 3. Interested in sports (esp out door games) 4. Bold

and

> > > > > > > > courageous.

> > > > > > > > 5. Rarely affected by emotions (she rarely cries!!)

6.

> > (Never

> > > > > > > > listens to anybody, especially mother!!)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (One that is not true wrt her is, father is not short

> > lived).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh"

> > > > > > sreelid

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear frineds,

> > > > > > > > > I invite you for a new exercise. Let us try to

predict

> > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > Asc. Here are the rules.

> > > > > > > > > 1) Prediction should be based on Sign, Houses,

> > Exaltation

> > > > &

> > > > > > > > > Debilitation, Karakatwas alone.

> > > > > > > > > 2) No planetary position would be considered,

except

> > the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > > > (Legna).

> > > > > > > > > 3) Forget the Classics (even though this kind of

> > > > prediction

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > totally based on the classics) and follow the

logic.

> > Forget

> > > > > > the D-

> > > > > > > > > Charts/Varga charts and Planetary position. It is

only

> > the

> > > > > > Legna

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > the 12 Bhavas surrounding the Legna that is

important

> > to us

> > > > > > (in

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > exersise).

> > > > > > > > > 4) All the participants should try to make newer

and

> > newer

> > > > > > > > > predictions, while sticking to the simple rules

> > described

> > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > while making each prediction should explain why and

how

> > > > they

> > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > that prediction. In an effort to help others in

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > view.

> > > > > > > > > Objective: To understand the systematic method of

> > (Sign,

> > > > > > Houses,

> > > > > > > > > Exaltation & Debilitation) prediction.

> > > > > > > > > Hope that at least some of them would be

interested in

> > > > > > > > participating

> > > > > > > > > in this exercise. I am just starting this exercise,

and

> > > > would

> > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the middle. Many will continue the discussion, and

> > sh!!!! I

> > > > > > plan

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > learn from that as well !!! OK. Here it goes.

Let

> > us start

> > > > > > > > > with Aris Lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aris Lagna

> > > > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > > > Shape: Got.

> > > > > > > > > A person born in Ar will be love travel, will like

hot

> > > > food,

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > have leadership qualities, would like to be part of

a

> > > > group,

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > like adventure, would like to be honored by others,

his

> > > > lower

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the body (especially legs) will be weaker compared

to

> > the

> > > > > > upper

> > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > (above hip), Will love sex and sexual relations.

etc

> > etc Lord

> > > > > > > > > of Sign: Ma He will be vigorous, aggressive, would

> > like

> > > > > > > > > weapons and

> > > > > > fights,

> > > > > > > > > would be furious, will give away anything for the

one

> > whom

> > > > he

> > > > > > > love,

> > > > > > > > > will be kind to the suppressed etc etc.

> > > > > > > > > Ar is the 1st sign: He would be the eldest of his

> > brothers

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > sisters, if not he will take the responsibility in

house

> > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the eldest son. His responsible behavior, leadership

> > > > quality,

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > for home make him the 1st (eldest).

> > > > > > > > > (Let us go a bit further). The lord of Ar is

exalted in

> > > > 10th,

> > > > > > > > > indicating that he will be a dedicated person in

his

> > job.

> > > > But

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 10th lord is debilitated in Legna, Indicating that

his

> > job

> > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > good as his expectations. He will always feel that

he

> > never

> > > > > > got a

> > > > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > > that is up to the quality of his ability, and that

he

> > > > deserved

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > better job. Ma and Sa. Indicates that he is working

> > either

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Military, Police etc, or that his job could be

> > Supervisor,

> > > > > > Driver,

> > > > > > > > > Technician etc. (you can extend this list) There

would

> > be

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > him, and many below him in position. Ma (lagna

lord) is

> > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > in 4th house, indicating that he will surrender to

the

> > > > family

> > > > > > > > > relations and that will not get due respect there,

> > > > especially

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > front of his mother. (Before marriage - logic) His

> > mother

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > suggest him how to spend the money, since Mo (4ht

lord

> > and

> > > > > > > > > significator for Mother) is exalted in the 2nd house

> > > > (Money)

> > > > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > > from Asc. But she will not care the difficulties

faced

> > him,

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > indicated by the debilitation of Mo in 8th

(starting

> > from

> > > > > > Legna).

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > may have some heart trouble in middle age, since

the Ma

> > > > (lagna

> > > > > > > > lord)

> > > > > > > > > is debilitated in the heart (Karkata) of

kalapurusha.

> > It is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > indicated by the fact that Ma is also the lord of

8th.

> > He

> > > > will

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > less hear only by middle age, since Su is exalted

in

> > Legna.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > have lost his father in the early age itself as

> > indicated

> > > > by

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lordship of Ju not only of 9th house but also of

the

> > 12th

> > > > > > > > > (loss/death) house. That is the reason, for his

taking

> > the

> > > > > > > > > responsibilities of home at an early age.

> > > > > > > > > He will have a good wife, since the lord of 7th is

Ve.

> > > > After

> > > > > > > > > marriage, his wife will take care of a happy

married

> > life

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > indicated by the lordship of Ve of 2nd and 7th

house.

> > > > > > > > > Ok. I stop here. It is not even 5% of the possible

> > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > could be made after knowing that one person is born

is

> > Ar

> > > > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > > > So I invite everybody to participate in this

discussion

> > on

> > > > Ar

> > > > > > > > > Ascendant. (Yes, let us discuss the other Lagnas

later

> > > > only)

> > > > > > Let

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > understand the laws and system of prediction using

the

> > > > single

> > > > > > Asc

> > > > > > > > (Ar

> > > > > > > > > alone), and then go on to implement the same

concepts in

> > > > > > > prediction

> > > > > > > > > with other Ascendants.

> > > > > > > > > While this discussion is in progress, I hope that

many

> > > > would

> > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > forward with statements such as, such and such

> > prediction

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > accurate concerning this and this horoscopes, such

and

> > such

> > > > > > > > > predictions were wrong in real experience although

the

> > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > > logically correct, etc etc. Let us start the

play.

> > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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