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Dear Narasimha ji

 

Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.

 

1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we generally go

by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal aspect).For

shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a known fact

that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on houses.

 

2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement - We can

only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum influence.Mars

aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect of Mars is

based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which Mars is

placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are recorded/measured in

terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do not mix

Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign Libra

which inturn is assuming roles of Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra etc.

 

3)A planet has a single position and hence a single longitude at a

point in time.Based on this position it has numerous

influences.These infleunces are understood through Vargas.Pls don't

confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is

no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.

 

4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on longitudes.It is

based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a

specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this with

the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I had given

classical references.

 

5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on

longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic influences.

 

6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet placed in

a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic

influence.It means a particular planet from its place of occupation

has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the cases the

influence is on the sign and not on any specific longitude.Longitude

is a qualification for the planet and not amshas.

 

7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed at 27 degrees in

Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now sage has

defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from 27 dgrees

in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in Pisces is the

Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first Varga or first

harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as conjuncting

the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1 to 1

relationship with Pisces.In other words

it is the first division.

 

8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces and 3 degrees

forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha division

in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector within Pisces

as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree sector is

thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama Navamsha.

 

9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7 it was a 1

to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it is a ninth

harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.

 

10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as Navamsha - it

is infact showing the sambandha those planets are having with that

particular sign.To find aspects above that can only be some kind of

poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot be reconciled

with Parasharas aspectual rules).

 

11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is nothing but

MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not been

sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such assumptions.This

will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS concept''.

 

I honestly beleive your good self will take the right step.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

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Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vjnanamaya and Anandamaya). If it is so, then, a

division with its interrelationship with Rashi chart will represent the causes

of the effects as seen in the Rashi chart. In other words, Navamsha and its

relation with Rashi will show the adharma-dharma and its understanding by the

individual that relates to actions, events as shown by the Rashi. Now, if

Navamsa is seen as a chart by itself, then, it would give the understanding or

relevance of Dharma for such an individual. It will also show the Field of

activity that may be most suitable for an individual to understand Dharma.

These are purely my thoughts and I am not taking any help from the classics. In

my view, Astrology has to show causal interlinkages which is not seen by the

individual. Therefore, from the D-60 we get the pool of anandamayakosha and we

can check its manifestation at the level of our values, mind, and pranas

through these charts. The grosser manifestations that appear to us as powerful

thoughts, emotions and values can be seen from D1-D12 charts. Having said the

above, I know I may be quite wrong but I see a distinct possibility here.Thanks

and RegardsBharatOn 11/4/05, vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Narasimha ji

Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.

1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we generally go

by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal aspect).For

shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a known fact

that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on houses.

2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement - We can

only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum influence.Mars

aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect of Mars is

based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which Mars is

placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are recorded/measured in

terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do not mix

Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign Libra

which inturn is assuming roles of Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra etc.

3)A planet has a single position and hence a single longitude at a

point in time.Based on this position it has numerous

influences.These infleunces are understood through Vargas.Pls don't

confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is

no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.

4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on longitudes.It is

based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a

specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this with

the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I had given

classical references.

5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on

longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic influences.

6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet placed in

a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic

influence.It means a particular planet from its place of occupation

has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the cases the

influence is on the sign and not on any specific longitude.Longitude

is a qualification for the planet and not amshas.

7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed at 27 degrees in

Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now sage has

defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from 27 dgrees

in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in Pisces is the

Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first Varga or first

harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as conjuncting

the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1 to 1

relationship with Pisces.In other words

it is the first division.

8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces and 3 degrees

forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha division

in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector within Pisces

as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree sector is

thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama Navamsha.

9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7 it was a 1

to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it is a ninth

harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.

10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as Navamsha - it

is infact showing the sambandha those planets are having with that

particular sign.To find aspects above that can only be some kind of

poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot be reconciled

with Parasharas aspectual rules).

11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is nothing but

MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not been

sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such assumptions.This

will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS concept''.

I honestly beleive your good self will take the right step.

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Bharat

 

Thanks for the mail.We are all learning together through questions and

doubts.

Navamsha charts that we are deriving are infact representing

aspects(harmonic influences are aspects of varying degrees).

This is the basic understanding of harmonics.To put graha drishti over

this is not perfect.

We cannot violate the rules set by sage regarding aspects.

Late shri Santhanam while translating BPHS had definitely undertood

the rules for aspect.This rule is very clear.

 

Nava-Navamsha is just the navamsha of navamsha- another ninth harmonic

of navamsha.It can just go on like this.

One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the interlinkage.

But when one understands this, he will not see them in isolation.

Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences on the

said signs.

But the placements from varga lagnas in Rashi chakra are Yuti with the

sign.

Only through a Holistic approach we can study the subtilities and that

too in realtion with the sthoola or clear planetary positions.

 

Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need not stop at

Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are we

stopping at shashtyamsha!!!.If we have a classical quote it has a

pramana to lean on.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Pradeep and Sri Narasimha

>

> Let us say a graha is at 300 degrees in a zodiac starting from 0 degrees

> Aries. This would be in a particular nakshatra and a particular sign

as per

> 12 part division. Suppose I divide the same space into 108 parts and

give

> ownership of each of the parts to the 12 signs, then, you would find

subtler

> interlinkages. Nadi Interlinkages and aspects are of the same nature. In

> such a case, there can be aspects in Navamsha and other divisions.

It is my

> view that aspects in Navamsa, etc. exist. In my view, there are

chances that

> the D1-D12, D13-D24, D25-36, D37-48, D-49-D60 are related to the

Panchkosas

> (Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vjnanamaya and Anandamaya).

>

> If it is so, then, a division with its interrelationship with Rashi

chart

> will represent the causes of the effects as seen in the Rashi chart. In

> other words, Navamsha and its relation with Rashi will show the

> adharma-dharma and its understanding by the individual that relates to

> actions, events as shown by the Rashi.

>

> Now, if Navamsa is seen as a chart by itself, then, it would give the

> understanding or relevance of Dharma for such an individual. It will

also

> show the Field of activity that may be most suitable for an

individual to

> understand Dharma.

>

> These are purely my thoughts and I am not taking any help from the

classics.

> In my view, Astrology has to show causal interlinkages which is not

seen by

> the individual. Therefore, from the D-60 we get the pool of

anandamayakosha

> and we can check its manifestation at the level of our values, mind, and

> pranas through these charts. The grosser manifestations that appear

to us as

> powerful thoughts, emotions and values can be seen from D1-D12 charts.

>

> Having said the above, I know I may be quite wrong but I see a distinct

> possibility here.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 11/4/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.

> >

> > 1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we generally go

> > by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal aspect).For

> > shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a known fact

> > that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on houses.

> >

> > 2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement - We can

> > only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum influence.Mars

> > aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect of Mars is

> > based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which Mars is

> > placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are recorded/measured in

> > terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do not mix

> > Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign Libra

> > which inturn is assuming roles of Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra etc.

> >

> > 3)A planet has a single position and hence a single longitude at a

> > point in time.Based on this position it has numerous

> > influences.These infleunces are understood through Vargas.Pls don't

> > confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is

> > no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.

> >

> > 4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on longitudes.It is

> > based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a

> > specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this with

> > the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I had given

> > classical references.

> >

> > 5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on

> > longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic influences.

> >

> > 6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet placed in

> > a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic

> > influence.It means a particular planet from its place of occupation

> > has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the cases the

> > influence is on the sign and not on any specific longitude.Longitude

> > is a qualification for the planet and not amshas.

> >

> > 7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed at 27 degrees in

> > Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now sage has

> > defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from 27 dgrees

> > in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in Pisces is the

> > Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first Varga or first

> > harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as conjuncting

> > the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1 to 1

> > relationship with Pisces.In other words

> > it is the first division.

> >

> > 8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces and 3 degrees

> > forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha division

> > in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector within Pisces

> > as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree sector is

> > thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama Navamsha.

> >

> > 9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7 it was a 1

> > to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it is a ninth

> > harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.

> >

> > 10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as Navamsha - it

> > is infact showing the sambandha those planets are having with that

> > particular sign.To find aspects above that can only be some kind of

> > poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot be reconciled

> > with Parasharas aspectual rules).

> >

> > 11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is nothing but

> > MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not been

> > sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such assumptions.This

> > will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS concept''.

> >

> > I honestly beleive your good self will take the right step.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology

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> >

> >

> > - Visit your group

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> > on the web.

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An aspect is a modification/interference/change/relation to the house

or its lord and therefore to the results. What does graha dristi

perform that an aspect cannot? In what way does this differentiation

occur? If light (energy) meets me directly or through reflection, what

are the differences in the effects? Have we done a study of the same?

I am in a questioning mode and this mode is applicable to myself as

much as to yourself. I hope you do not mind my asking so many

questions. I am doing loud thinking.

As I said in my last email, I do not have a classical quote to go on.

That is the reason why I said "there are chances that the divisionals

have a relation to the Panchkosas". I am not sure but there is a

distinct possibility. The reason for my thinking is as follows:

The non-understanding of the reality brings about a mis-understanding

of the Reality. The non-understanding is Ignorance and is represented

by Anandmayakosha. The mis-understanding is represented by the other 4

koshas. A birth chart represents the taking up of a new body. Why this

new body was taken up - for what desire fulfillment? for what purpose?

what was the thoughts and emotions that needed fructification? What

desires conflict with each other such as not to fructify? etc. ...

These questions need to be answered by Astrology and they will be if we

keep an open mind (knowledge finds the seeker and not the opposite).

Therefore, I see a distinct possibility of a relation between the panch

kosas and the divisionals.

I wish we had a Sankara Bhashya for Jyotish too, but that is a crutch we cannot look for now.

Your point that how two planets sitting together in one Rashi in the

Rashi chart, cast graha drishti in the Navamsa or other divisionals, is

well understood by me. But I still question it. Why can't they? I may

have a dharma-adharma conflict within me (Navamsa) but that does not

manifest into Action (Rashi chart).

I keep myself open... and I really appreciate this discussion that has brought

the finest minds here into its fold.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 11/7/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Shri Bharat

Thanks for the mail.We are all learning together through questions and

doubts.

Navamsha charts that we are deriving are infact representing

aspects(harmonic influences are aspects of varying degrees).

This is the basic understanding of harmonics.To put graha drishti over

this is not perfect.

We cannot violate the rules set by sage regarding aspects.

Late shri Santhanam while translating BPHS had definitely undertood

the rules for aspect.This rule is very clear.

Nava-Navamsha is just the navamsha of navamsha- another ninth harmonic

of navamsha.It can just go on like this.

One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the interlinkage.

But when one understands this, he will not see them in isolation.

Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences on the

said signs.

But the placements from varga lagnas in Rashi chakra are Yuti with the

sign.

Only through a Holistic approach we can study the subtilities and that

too in realtion with the sthoola or clear planetary positions.

Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need not stop at

Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are we

stopping at shashtyamsha!!!.If we have a classical quote it has a

pramana to lean on.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Pradeep and Sri Narasimha

>

> Let us say a graha is at 300 degrees in a zodiac starting from 0 degrees

> Aries. This would be in a particular nakshatra and a particular sign

as per

> 12 part division. Suppose I divide the same space into 108 parts and

give

> ownership of each of the parts to the 12 signs, then, you would find

subtler

> interlinkages. Nadi Interlinkages and aspects are of the same nature. In

> such a case, there can be aspects in Navamsha and other divisions.

It is my

> view that aspects in Navamsa, etc. exist. In my view, there are

chances that

> the D1-D12, D13-D24, D25-36, D37-48, D-49-D60 are related to the

Panchkosas

> (Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vjnanamaya and Anandamaya).

>

> If it is so, then, a division with its interrelationship with Rashi

chart

> will represent the causes of the effects as seen in the Rashi chart. In

> other words, Navamsha and its relation with Rashi will show the

> adharma-dharma and its understanding by the individual that relates to

> actions, events as shown by the Rashi.

>

> Now, if Navamsa is seen as a chart by itself, then, it would give the

> understanding or relevance of Dharma for such an individual. It will

also

> show the Field of activity that may be most suitable for an

individual to

> understand Dharma.

>

> These are purely my thoughts and I am not taking any help from the

classics.

> In my view, Astrology has to show causal interlinkages which is not

seen by

> the individual. Therefore, from the D-60 we get the pool of

anandamayakosha

> and we can check its manifestation at the level of our values, mind, and

> pranas through these charts. The grosser manifestations that appear

to us as

> powerful thoughts, emotions and values can be seen from D1-D12 charts.

>

> Having said the above, I know I may be quite wrong but I see a distinct

> possibility here.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 11/4/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.

> >

> > 1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we generally go

> > by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal aspect).For

> > shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a known fact

> > that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on houses.

> >

> > 2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement - We can

> > only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum influence.Mars

> > aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect of Mars is

> > based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which Mars is

> > placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are recorded/measured in

> > terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do not mix

> > Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign Libra

> > which inturn is assuming roles of Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra etc.

> >

> > 3)A planet has a single position and hence a single longitude at a

> > point in time.Based on this position it has numerous

> > influences.These infleunces are understood through Vargas.Pls don't

> > confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is

> > no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.

> >

> > 4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on longitudes.It is

> > based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a

> > specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this with

> > the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I had given

> > classical references.

> >

> > 5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on

> > longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic influences.

> >

> > 6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet placed in

> > a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic

> > influence.It means a particular planet from its place of occupation

> > has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the cases the

> > influence is on the sign and not on any specific longitude.Longitude

> > is a qualification for the planet and not amshas.

> >

> > 7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed at 27 degrees in

> > Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now sage has

> > defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from 27 dgrees

> > in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in Pisces is the

> > Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first Varga or first

> > harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as conjuncting

> > the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1 to 1

> > relationship with Pisces.In other words

> > it is the first division.

> >

> > 8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces and 3 degrees

> > forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha division

> > in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector within Pisces

> > as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree sector is

> > thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama Navamsha.

> >

> > 9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7 it was a 1

> > to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it is a ninth

> > harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.

> >

> > 10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as Navamsha - it

> > is infact showing the sambandha those planets are having with that

> > particular sign.To find aspects above that can only be some kind of

> > poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot be reconciled

> > with Parasharas aspectual rules).

> >

> > 11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is nothing but

> > MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not been

> > sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such assumptions.This

> > will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS concept''.

> >

> > I honestly beleive your good self will take the right step.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology

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>

> > ------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> > - Visit your group

"vedic astrology<vedic astrology>"

> > on the web.

> > -

> >

vedic astrology<

vedic astrology?subject=Un>

> > - Terms of

> > Service <>.

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Dear shri Bharat Namsate

 

Your questions are really good.Your understanding on aspects are

very true.

 

Now there are two points - a)What is an aspect,b)How the aspect is

effected.

 

Answer for point (a) has been given by you.Now your next question.

 

>>>What does graha dristi perform that an aspect cannot? In what way

does this differentiation occur?The answer for this falls under part

b.

 

Grahadrishti is also an aspect and thus no difference.But there are

aspects other than grahadrishti - for example a)relation between a

sign and its lord.b)Relation betwen a navamsha sector and its

sign.Thus grahadrishti alone is not sufficient to understand all the

aspects.

 

Now my point is when navamsha itself is pointing to an aspect,how

can you again see aspects from such an aspectual pattern.Hope you

have understood what i am talking.(The positions that we are seeing

in navamsha are infact representation of aspects).

 

What we see in Rashi chakra is the planetary arrangement at

birth.Kshethra shows one kind of frequency and influence between a

planet/planet or planet/sign.Navamsha shows influence of another

frequency.But they are all functions of the same planets having a

fixed disposition at the time of birth.It is not an independent

position.Why?We have derived them from the original rashi

position.Rashi chakra is whole, and Kshethra/Navamsha are

parts.Rashi chakra has bhavas,kshethra/navamsha does

not.Grahadrishti is purely dependent on the longitudinal

disposition.Kshethra/Navamsha represents different kinds of

influences based on the above said disposition.(This is the

catch).The disposition remains the same and infleunecs are derived

from them.You cannot find an aspect again in influential

groupings,which they themselves are!!!!!

 

Individual A is uneducated.He is influenced by a criminal and he

turns into a criminal.Now if he was infleunced by a holy man,there

would had been a difference.So is the above case - The planets and

its roles remains the same.The influences modifies the general.

 

If we read any shloka on vargas ,the meaning conveyed is as above.I

had given classical quotes relating 7th bhava and then navamsha of a

benefic planet.A different understanding ''Vargacharts'' is

happening only as part of subjective interpretations.

 

Anykosha is not hanging or attached to ''nothing''.They are part of

something.Thus Holistic analysis will only lead towards truth.How do

you study a modified or transfomed space without understanding its

realationship with the original.Did we transform out of nothing.Your

kind self may think again.

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Pradeep

>

> An aspect is a modification/interference/change/relation to the

house or its

> lord and therefore to the results. What does graha dristi perform

that an

> aspect cannot? In what way does this differentiation occur? If

light

> (energy) meets me directly or through reflection, what are the

differences

> in the effects? Have we done a study of the same?

>

> I am in a questioning mode and this mode is applicable to myself

as much as

> to yourself. I hope you do not mind my asking so many questions. I

am doing

> loud thinking.

>

> As I said in my last email, I do not have a classical quote to go

on. That

> is the reason why I said "there are chances that the divisionals

have a

> relation to the Panchkosas". I am not sure but there is a distinct

> possibility. The reason for my thinking is as follows:

>

> The non-understanding of the reality brings about a mis-

understanding of the

> Reality. The non-understanding is Ignorance and is represented by

> Anandmayakosha. The mis-understanding is represented by the other

4 koshas.

> A birth chart represents the taking up of a new body. Why this new

body was

> taken up - for what desire fulfillment? for what purpose? what was

the

> thoughts and emotions that needed fructification? What desires

conflict with

> each other such as not to fructify? etc. ... These questions need

to be

> answered by Astrology and they will be if we keep an open mind

(knowledge

> finds the seeker and not the opposite). Therefore, I see a distinct

> possibility of a relation between the panch kosas and the

divisionals.

>

> I wish we had a Sankara Bhashya for Jyotish too, but that is a

crutch we

> cannot look for now.

>

> Your point that how two planets sitting together in one Rashi in

the Rashi

> chart, cast graha drishti in the Navamsa or other divisionals, is

well

> understood by me. But I still question it. Why can't they? I may

have a

> dharma-adharma conflict within me (Navamsa) but that does not

manifest into

> Action (Rashi chart).

>

> I keep myself open... and I really appreciate this discussion that

has

> brought the finest minds here into its fold.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

On 11/7/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bharat

> >

> > Thanks for the mail.We are all learning together through

questions and

> > doubts.

> > Navamsha charts that we are deriving are infact representing

> > aspects(harmonic influences are aspects of varying degrees).

> > This is the basic understanding of harmonics.To put graha

drishti over

> > this is not perfect.

> > We cannot violate the rules set by sage regarding aspects.

> > Late shri Santhanam while translating BPHS had definitely

undertood

> > the rules for aspect.This rule is very clear.

> >

> > Nava-Navamsha is just the navamsha of navamsha- another ninth

harmonic

> > of navamsha.It can just go on like this.

> > One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the

interlinkage.

> > But when one understands this, he will not see them in isolation.

> > Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences on

the

> > said signs.

> > But the placements from varga lagnas in Rashi chakra are Yuti

with the

> > sign.

> > Only through a Holistic approach we can study the subtilities

and that

> > too in realtion with the sthoola or clear planetary positions.

> >

> > Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need not stop

at

> > Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are

we

> > stopping at shashtyamsha!!!.If we have a classical quote it has a

> > pramana to lean on.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Pradeep and Sri Narasimha

> > >

> > > Let us say a graha is at 300 degrees in a zodiac starting from

0 degrees

> > > Aries. This would be in a particular nakshatra and a

particular sign

> > as per

> > > 12 part division. Suppose I divide the same space into 108

parts and

> > give

> > > ownership of each of the parts to the 12 signs, then, you

would find

> > subtler

> > > interlinkages. Nadi Interlinkages and aspects are of the same

nature. In

> > > such a case, there can be aspects in Navamsha and other

divisions.

> > It is my

> > > view that aspects in Navamsa, etc. exist. In my view, there are

> > chances that

> > > the D1-D12, D13-D24, D25-36, D37-48, D-49-D60 are related to

the

> > Panchkosas

> > > (Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vjnanamaya and Anandamaya).

> > >

> > > If it is so, then, a division with its interrelationship with

Rashi

> > chart

> > > will represent the causes of the effects as seen in the Rashi

chart. In

> > > other words, Navamsha and its relation with Rashi will show the

> > > adharma-dharma and its understanding by the individual that

relates to

> > > actions, events as shown by the Rashi.

> > >

> > > Now, if Navamsa is seen as a chart by itself, then, it would

give the

> > > understanding or relevance of Dharma for such an individual.

It will

> > also

> > > show the Field of activity that may be most suitable for an

> > individual to

> > > understand Dharma.

> > >

> > > These are purely my thoughts and I am not taking any help from

the

> > classics.

> > > In my view, Astrology has to show causal interlinkages which

is not

> > seen by

> > > the individual. Therefore, from the D-60 we get the pool of

> > anandamayakosha

> > > and we can check its manifestation at the level of our values,

mind, and

> > > pranas through these charts. The grosser manifestations that

appear

> > to us as

> > > powerful thoughts, emotions and values can be seen from D1-D12

charts.

> > >

> > > Having said the above, I know I may be quite wrong but I see a

distinct

> > > possibility here.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 11/4/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > >

> > > > Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.

> > > >

> > > > 1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we

generally go

> > > > by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal

aspect).For

> > > > shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a

known fact

> > > > that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on

houses.

> > > >

> > > > 2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement -

We can

> > > > only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum

influence.Mars

> > > > aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect of

Mars is

> > > > based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which Mars

is

> > > > placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are

recorded/measured in

> > > > terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do

not mix

> > > > Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign

Libra

> > > > which inturn is assuming roles of

Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra etc.

> > > >

> > > > 3)A planet has a single position and hence a single

longitude at a

> > > > point in time.Based on this position it has numerous

> > > > influences.These infleunces are understood through

Vargas.Pls don't

> > > > confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is

> > > > no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.

> > > >

> > > > 4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on

longitudes.It is

> > > > based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a

> > > > specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this

with

> > > > the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I

had given

> > > > classical references.

> > > >

> > > > 5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on

> > > > longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic

influences.

> > > >

> > > > 6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet

placed in

> > > > a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic

> > > > influence.It means a particular planet from its place of

occupation

> > > > has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the

cases the

> > > > influence is on the sign and not on any specific

longitude.Longitude

> > > > is a qualification for the planet and not amshas.

> > > >

> > > > 7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed at 27

degrees in

> > > > Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now sage

has

> > > > defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from 27

dgrees

> > > > in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in Pisces

is the

> > > > Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first Varga or

first

> > > > harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as

conjuncting

> > > > the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1 to 1

> > > > relationship with Pisces.In other words

> > > > it is the first division.

> > > >

> > > > 8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces and 3 degrees

> > > > forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha

division

> > > > in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector

within Pisces

> > > > as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree

sector is

> > > > thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama

Navamsha.

> > > >

> > > > 9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7 it

was a 1

> > > > to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it is a

ninth

> > > > harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.

> > > >

> > > > 10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as

Navamsha - it

> > > > is infact showing the sambandha those planets are having

with that

> > > > particular sign.To find aspects above that can only be some

kind of

> > > > poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot be

reconciled

> > > > with Parasharas aspectual rules).

> > > >

> > > > 11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is

nothing but

> > > > MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not

been

> > > > sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such

assumptions.This

> > > > will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS

concept''.

> > > >

> > > > I honestly beleive your good self will take the right step.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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It is an assumption that Navamsa is an aspect. I consider Navamsa as a

108 division of 360 degree chakra. It is like doing nine rounds (for

navamsa) instead of 1. The frequency when increased, is not an aspect

but gives a different dimension of a personality. Perhaps that is why

there is an emergent differences in the views here.

Subtler matters will be represented by higher frequency dimensions. To

consider it an aspect would be an assumption and the results thus

gained would be limited by the assumption.

I understand the Sattva, Rajas and Tamas guna being modified by the

Navamsa (through Nakshatra lordships), and hence a modification in the

results shown in the Rasi. Your application is perfect but there is a

possibility that your application is limited. What emerges out of

taking Navamsa as a separate chart is the inner dharma conflicts which

cannot be seen in Rashi chart. What makes a person choose one field of

activity when one is interested in another? How a person guards his

values? What values are emerging from his navamsa?

What I am saying is - root is divisional chart and effect is Rashi

chart. Root modifies the effect. If we study the root only, we get

something more - Like what could have been but did not happen. In my

view, if we are not open to this possibility we are letting go of an

opportunity to understand Astrology in deeper terms.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 11/7/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear shri Bharat Namsate

Your questions are really good.Your understanding on aspects are

very true.

Now there are two points - a)What is an aspect,b)How the aspect is

effected.

Answer for point (a) has been given by you.Now your next question.

>>>What does graha dristi perform that an aspect cannot? In what way

does this differentiation occur?The answer for this falls under part

b.

Grahadrishti is also an aspect and thus no difference.But there are

aspects other than grahadrishti - for example a)relation between a

sign and its lord.b)Relation betwen a navamsha sector and its

sign.Thus grahadrishti alone is not sufficient to understand all the

aspects.

Now my point is when navamsha itself is pointing to an aspect,how

can you again see aspects from such an aspectual pattern.Hope you

have understood what i am talking.(The positions that we are seeing

in navamsha are infact representation of aspects).

What we see in Rashi chakra is the planetary arrangement at

birth.Kshethra shows one kind of frequency and influence between a

planet/planet or planet/sign.Navamsha shows influence of another

frequency.But they are all functions of the same planets having a

fixed disposition at the time of birth.It is not an independent

position.Why?We have derived them from the original rashi

position.Rashi chakra is whole, and Kshethra/Navamsha are

parts.Rashi chakra has bhavas,kshethra/navamsha does

not.Grahadrishti is purely dependent on the longitudinal

disposition.Kshethra/Navamsha represents different kinds of

influences based on the above said disposition.(This is the

catch).The disposition remains the same and infleunecs are derived

from them.You cannot find an aspect again in influential

groupings,which they themselves are!!!!!

Individual A is uneducated.He is influenced by a criminal and he

turns into a criminal.Now if he was infleunced by a holy man,there

would had been a difference.So is the above case - The planets and

its roles remains the same.The influences modifies the general.

If we read any shloka on vargas ,the meaning conveyed is as above.I

had given classical quotes relating 7th bhava and then navamsha of a

benefic planet.A different understanding ''Vargacharts'' is

happening only as part of subjective interpretations.

Anykosha is not hanging or attached to ''nothing''.They are part of

something.Thus Holistic analysis will only lead towards truth.How do

you study a modified or transfomed space without understanding its

realationship with the original.Did we transform out of nothing.Your

kind self may think again.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Pradeep

>

> An aspect is a modification/interference/change/relation to the

house or its

> lord and therefore to the results. What does graha dristi perform

that an

> aspect cannot? In what way does this differentiation occur? If

light

> (energy) meets me directly or through reflection, what are the

differences

> in the effects? Have we done a study of the same?

>

> I am in a questioning mode and this mode is applicable to myself

as much as

> to yourself. I hope you do not mind my asking so many questions. I

am doing

> loud thinking.

>

> As I said in my last email, I do not have a classical quote to go

on. That

> is the reason why I said "there are chances that the divisionals

have a

> relation to the Panchkosas". I am not sure but there is a distinct

> possibility. The reason for my thinking is as follows:

>

> The non-understanding of the reality brings about a mis-

understanding of the

> Reality. The non-understanding is Ignorance and is represented by

> Anandmayakosha. The mis-understanding is represented by the other

4 koshas.

> A birth chart represents the taking up of a new body. Why this new

body was

> taken up - for what desire fulfillment? for what purpose? what was

the

> thoughts and emotions that needed fructification? What desires

conflict with

> each other such as not to fructify? etc. ... These questions need

to be

> answered by Astrology and they will be if we keep an open mind

(knowledge

> finds the seeker and not the opposite). Therefore, I see a distinct

> possibility of a relation between the panch kosas and the

divisionals.

>

> I wish we had a Sankara Bhashya for Jyotish too, but that is a

crutch we

> cannot look for now.

>

> Your point that how two planets sitting together in one Rashi in

the Rashi

> chart, cast graha drishti in the Navamsa or other divisionals, is

well

> understood by me. But I still question it. Why can't they? I may

have a

> dharma-adharma conflict within me (Navamsa) but that does not

manifest into

> Action (Rashi chart).

>

> I keep myself open... and I really appreciate this discussion that

has

> brought the finest minds here into its fold.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 11/7/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bharat

> >

> > Thanks for the mail.We are all learning together through

questions and

> > doubts.

> > Navamsha charts that we are deriving are infact representing

> > aspects(harmonic influences are aspects of varying degrees).

> > This is the basic understanding of harmonics.To put graha

drishti over

> > this is not perfect.

> > We cannot violate the rules set by sage regarding aspects.

> > Late shri Santhanam while translating BPHS had definitely

undertood

> > the rules for aspect.This rule is very clear.

> >

> > Nava-Navamsha is just the navamsha of navamsha- another ninth

harmonic

> > of navamsha.It can just go on like this.

> > One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the

interlinkage.

> > But when one understands this, he will not see them in isolation.

> > Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences on

the

> > said signs.

> > But the placements from varga lagnas in Rashi chakra are Yuti

with the

> > sign.

> > Only through a Holistic approach we can study the subtilities

and that

> > too in realtion with the sthoola or clear planetary positions.

> >

> > Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need not stop

at

> > Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are

we

> > stopping at shashtyamsha!!!.If we have a classical quote it has a

> > pramana to lean on.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Pradeep and Sri Narasimha

> > >

> > > Let us say a graha is at 300 degrees in a zodiac starting from

0 degrees

> > > Aries. This would be in a particular nakshatra and a

particular sign

> > as per

> > > 12 part division. Suppose I divide the same space into 108

parts and

> > give

> > > ownership of each of the parts to the 12 signs, then, you

would find

> > subtler

> > > interlinkages. Nadi Interlinkages and aspects are of the same

nature. In

> > > such a case, there can be aspects in Navamsha and other

divisions.

> > It is my

> > > view that aspects in Navamsa, etc. exist. In my view, there are

> > chances that

> > > the D1-D12, D13-D24, D25-36, D37-48, D-49-D60 are related to

the

> > Panchkosas

> > > (Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vjnanamaya and Anandamaya).

> > >

> > > If it is so, then, a division with its interrelationship with

Rashi

> > chart

> > > will represent the causes of the effects as seen in the Rashi

chart. In

> > > other words, Navamsha and its relation with Rashi will show the

> > > adharma-dharma and its understanding by the individual that

relates to

> > > actions, events as shown by the Rashi.

> > >

> > > Now, if Navamsa is seen as a chart by itself, then, it would

give the

> > > understanding or relevance of Dharma for such an individual.

It will

> > also

> > > show the Field of activity that may be most suitable for an

> > individual to

> > > understand Dharma.

> > >

> > > These are purely my thoughts and I am not taking any help from

the

> > classics.

> > > In my view, Astrology has to show causal interlinkages which

is not

> > seen by

> > > the individual. Therefore, from the D-60 we get the pool of

> > anandamayakosha

> > > and we can check its manifestation at the level of our values,

mind, and

> > > pranas through these charts. The grosser manifestations that

appear

> > to us as

> > > powerful thoughts, emotions and values can be seen from D1-D12

charts.

> > >

> > > Having said the above, I know I may be quite wrong but I see a

distinct

> > > possibility here.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 11/4/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha ji

> > > >

> > > > Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.

> > > >

> > > > 1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we

generally go

> > > > by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal

aspect).For

> > > > shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a

known fact

> > > > that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on

houses.

> > > >

> > > > 2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement -

We can

> > > > only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum

influence.Mars

> > > > aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect of

Mars is

> > > > based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which Mars

is

> > > > placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are

recorded/measured in

> > > > terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do

not mix

> > > > Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign

Libra

> > > > which inturn is assuming roles of

Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra etc.

> > > >

> > > > 3)A planet has a single position and hence a single

longitude at a

> > > > point in time.Based on this position it has numerous

> > > > influences.These infleunces are understood through

Vargas.Pls don't

> > > > confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is

> > > > no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.

> > > >

> > > > 4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on

longitudes.It is

> > > > based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a

> > > > specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this

with

> > > > the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I

had given

> > > > classical references.

> > > >

> > > > 5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on

> > > > longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic

influences.

> > > >

> > > > 6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet

placed in

> > > > a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic

> > > > influence.It means a particular planet from its place of

occupation

> > > > has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the

cases the

> > > > influence is on the sign and not on any specific

longitude.Longitude

> > > > is a qualification for the planet and not amshas.

> > > >

> > > > 7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed at 27

degrees in

> > > > Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now sage

has

> > > > defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from 27

dgrees

> > > > in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in Pisces

is the

> > > > Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first Varga or

first

> > > > harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as

conjuncting

> > > > the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1 to 1

> > > > relationship with Pisces.In other words

> > > > it is the first division.

> > > >

> > > > 8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces and 3 degrees

> > > > forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha

division

> > > > in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector

within Pisces

> > > > as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree

sector is

> > > > thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama

Navamsha.

> > > >

> > > > 9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7 it

was a 1

> > > > to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it is a

ninth

> > > > harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.

> > > >

> > > > 10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as

Navamsha - it

> > > > is infact showing the sambandha those planets are having

with that

> > > > particular sign.To find aspects above that can only be some

kind of

> > > > poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot be

reconciled

> > > > with Parasharas aspectual rules).

> > > >

> > > > 11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is

nothing but

> > > > MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not

been

> > > > sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such

assumptions.This

> > > > will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS

concept''.

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We are clear about Rashi-Navamsa combination and its importance. There is no doubt here.

Let's see if Navamsa has a separate existence or not. In my view -

there exists a logical possibility of its existence. The reason is that

Navamsa (or other divisional charts) is not an effect of Rashi. It is a

subtler dimension of Rashi chart. This means two things:

1. It has the ability to modify the results of the Rashi chart. Subtler changes

the gross and not otherwise.

2. It shows some information about the subtle dimensions of the

individuals that are not known through the Rashi chart. I have already

given my views on what can be known and not known.

Sri Pradeep, let me share something more with you. The position of

planet as we see it is because our eyes can receive light of a

particular frequency. Supposing our eyes could see light at a different

frequency, it would see a different world. Higher harmonics (as you

call them) are harmonics of light frequency not seen through the eyes

with its limited frequency.

Physical body takes birth but it is the subtle body which takes up the

new body. It is the subtle body which is alive and shifts from one body

to another. By analyzing the Rashi chart, what is known about the

subtle body. Why did it take this physical body?

Sri Pradeep, I am not discussing classics as many of them have been

lost and many lines have hidden information in them, which we are yet

to understand. But we have logic and openness with us to understand

something that may not be explicitly stated.

Astrology has to answer the above questions and I believe that it can

be answered through usage of Divisional independent charts. In saying

so, I am not saying that the way Sri Sanjay Rath or Sri Narasimha are

using them, is the correct way. All I am saying is, rejecting them

outright is an option that I cannot exercise in view of the above

unanswered questions.

If we were to put our energies together and exert into these

dimensions, probably we can understand something more. I do not care if

it is called Pradeep's theory of Dimensions or Sri Rath's theory of

divisionals or Bharat's madness. Whether people call it new theory or

old, supported or unsupported by classics, it is immaterial.

If we can have a Ramana Maharishi for understanding the Self in the

20th century, why can't we have a Ramana Maharishi for Astrology for

giving new light to the Jyotish? Why do we consider modern

scholars so backward? I know we run the risk of everyone making claims

to new theories but so what, choose what works.

I hope you have a good trip in India. If in Delhi, please let me know and we can meet.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 11/9/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Namaste Shri Bharat Aspects need not be Grahadrishti alone.

Navamshas are ninth harmonic influences,which are similar to 40 degree

aspects.It takes 40 degrees to make one round.

Dreakkanas take 120 degrees,and hence Drekkana lords are always trinal lords (1,5,9). Similarly

all vargas are harmonic influences showing a particular kind of

aspect.Kshethra shows the first harmonic aspect or Yuti. I

have no dispute regarding the importance of navamsha or the philosophy

behind.Dispute is only regarding analysis.They do not have an existence

in isolation. Thanks

Pradeep vedic astrology

, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:>> Namaskaar Sri Pradeep> >

It is an assumption that Navamsa is an aspect. I consider Navamsa as a 108>

division of 360 degree chakra. It is like doing nine rounds (for navamsa)

> instead of 1. The frequency when increased, is not an aspect but gives a>

different dimension of a personality. Perhaps that is why there is an> emergent

differences in the views here.> > Subtler matters will be represented by higher

frequency dimensions. To

> consider it an aspect would be an assumption and the results thus gained>

would be limited by the assumption.> > I understand the Sattva, Rajas and Tamas

guna being modified by the Navamsa

> (through Nakshatra lordships), and hence a modification in the results shown>

in the Rasi. Your application is perfect but there is a possibility that> your

application is limited. What emerges out of taking Navamsa as a

> separate chart is the inner dharma conflicts which cannot be seen in Rashi>

chart. What makes a person choose one field of activity when one is> interested

in another? How a person guards his values? What values are

> emerging from his navamsa?> > What I am saying is - root is divisional chart

and effect is Rashi chart.> Root modifies the effect. If we study the root

only, we get something more -> Like what could have been but did not happen. In

my view, if we are not open

> to this possibility we are letting go of an opportunity to understand>

Astrology in deeper terms.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > >

> On 11/7/05, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> >> > Dear shri

Bharat Namsate> >> > Your questions are really good.Your understanding on

aspects are> > very true.

> >> > Now there are two points - a)What is an aspect,b)How the aspect is> >

effected.> >> > Answer for point (a) has been given by you.Now your next

question.> >

> > >>>What does graha dristi perform that an aspect cannot? In what way> > does

this differentiation occur?The answer for this falls under part> > b.> >> >

Grahadrishti is also an aspect and thus no difference.But there are> > aspects

other than grahadrishti - for example a)relation between a> > sign and its

lord.b)Relation betwen a navamsha sector and its> > sign.Thus grahadrishti

alone is not sufficient to understand all the

> > aspects.> >> > Now my point is when navamsha itself is pointing to an

aspect,how> > can you again see aspects from such an aspectual pattern.Hope

you> > have understood what i am talking.(The positions that we are seeing

> > in navamsha are infact representation of aspects).> >> > What we see in

Rashi chakra is the planetary arrangement at> > birth.Kshethra shows one kind

of frequency and influence between a

> > planet/planet or planet/sign.Navamsha shows influence of another> >

frequency.But they are all functions of the same planets having a> > fixed

disposition at the time of birth.It is not an independent

> > position.Why?We have derived them from the original rashi> > position.Rashi

chakra is whole, and Kshethra/Navamsha are> > parts.Rashi chakra has

bhavas,kshethra/navamsha does> > not.Grahadrishti is purely dependent on the

longitudinal> > disposition.Kshethra/Navamsha represents different kinds of> >

influences based on the above said disposition.(This is the> > catch).The

disposition remains the same and infleunecs are derived

> > from them.You cannot find an aspect again in influential> > groupings,which

they themselves are!!!!!> >> > Individual A is uneducated.He is influenced by a

criminal and he> > turns into a criminal.Now if he was infleunced by a holy

man,there> > would had been a difference.So is the above case - The planets

and> > its roles remains the same.The influences modifies the general.> >

> > If we read any shloka on vargas ,the meaning conveyed is as above.I> > had

given classical quotes relating 7th bhava and then navamsha of a> > benefic

planet.A different understanding ''Vargacharts'' is

> > happening only as part of subjective interpretations.> >> > Anykosha is not

hanging or attached to ''nothing''.They are part of> > something.Thus Holistic

analysis will only lead towards truth.How do> > you study a modified or

transfomed space without understanding its> > realationship with the

original.Did we transform out of nothing.Your> > kind self may think again.> >

Thanks

> > Pradeep> >> >> >> > vedic astrology

, Bharat Hindu Astrology> > hinduastrology@g... wrote:> > >> > > Namaskaar Sri

Pradeep> > >> > > An aspect is a modification/interference/change/relation to

the

> > house or its> > > lord and therefore to the results. What does graha dristi

perform> > that an> > > aspect cannot? In what way does this differentiation

occur? If> > light

> > > (energy) meets me directly or through reflection, what are the> >

differences> > > in the effects? Have we done a study of the same?> > >> > > I

am in a questioning mode and this mode is applicable to myself

> > as much as> > > to yourself. I hope you do not mind my asking so many

questions. I> > am doing> > > loud thinking.> > >> > > As I said in my last

email, I do not have a classical quote to go

> > on. That> > > is the reason why I said "there are chances that the

divisionals> > have a> > > relation to the Panchkosas". I am not sure but there

is a distinct

> > > possibility. The reason for my thinking is as follows:> > >> > > The

non-understanding of the reality brings about a mis-> > understanding of the> >

> Reality. The non-understanding is Ignorance and is represented by

> > > Anandmayakosha. The mis-understanding is represented by the other> > 4

koshas.> > > A birth chart represents the taking up of a new body. Why this

new> > body was> > > taken up - for what desire fulfillment? for what purpose?

what was

> > the> > > thoughts and emotions that needed fructification? What desires> >

conflict with> > > each other such as not to fructify? etc. ... These questions

need> > to be

> > > answered by Astrology and they will be if we keep an open mind> >

(knowledge> > > finds the seeker and not the opposite). Therefore, I see a

distinct> > > possibility of a relation between the panch kosas and the

> > divisionals.> > >> > > I wish we had a Sankara Bhashya for Jyotish too, but

that is a> > crutch we> > > cannot look for now.> > >> > > Your point that how

two planets sitting together in one Rashi in

> > the Rashi> > > chart, cast graha drishti in the Navamsa or other

divisionals, is> > well> > > understood by me. But I still question it. Why

can't they? I may> > have a

> > > dharma-adharma conflict within me (Navamsa) but that does not> > manifest

into> > > Action (Rashi chart).> > >> > > I keep myself open... and I really

appreciate this discussion that

> > has> > > brought the finest minds here into its fold.> > >> > > Thanks and

Regards> > > Bharat> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 11/7/05, vijayadas_pradeep

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bharat

> > > >> > > > Thanks for the mail.We are all learning together through> >

questions and> > > > doubts.> > > > Navamsha charts that we are deriving are

infact representing

> > > > aspects(harmonic influences are aspects of varying degrees).> > > > This

is the basic understanding of harmonics.To put graha> > drishti over> > > > this

is not perfect.

> > > > We cannot violate the rules set by sage regarding aspects.> > > > Late

shri Santhanam while translating BPHS had definitely> > undertood> > > > the

rules for aspect.This rule is very clear.> > > >> > > > Nava-Navamsha is just

the navamsha of navamsha- another ninth> > harmonic> > > > of navamsha.It can

just go on like this.

> > > > One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the> >

interlinkage.> > > > But when one understands this, he will not see them in

isolation.> > > > Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences

on

> > the> > > > said signs.> > > > But the placements from varga lagnas in Rashi

chakra are Yuti> > with the> > > > sign.> > > > Only through a Holistic

approach we can study the subtilities

> > and that> > > > too in realtion with the sthoola or clear planetary

positions.> > > >> > > > Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need

not stop

> > at> > > > Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are>

> we> > > > stopping at shashtyamsha!!!.If we have a classical quote it has a>

> > > pramana to lean on.

> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology> > > >

hinduastrology@g... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskaar Sri Pradeep and Sri

Narasimha> > > > >

> > > > > Let us say a graha is at 300 degrees in a zodiac starting from> > 0

degrees> > > > > Aries. This would be in a particular nakshatra and a> >

particular sign

> > > > as per> > > > > 12 part division. Suppose I divide the same space into

108> > parts and> > > > give> > > > > ownership of each of the parts to the 12

signs, then, you

> > would find> > > > subtler> > > > > interlinkages. Nadi Interlinkages and

aspects are of the same> > nature. In> > > > > such a case, there can be

aspects in Navamsha and other

> > divisions.> > > > It is my> > > > > view that aspects in Navamsa, etc.

exist. In my view, there are> > > > chances that> > > > > the D1-D12, D13-D24,

D25-36, D37-48, D-49-D60 are related to

> > the> > > > Panchkosas> > > > > (Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vjnanamaya

and Anandamaya).> > > > >> > > > > If it is so, then, a division with its

interrelationship with

> > Rashi> > > > chart> > > > > will represent the causes of the effects as seen

in the Rashi> > chart. In> > > > > other words, Navamsha and its relation with

Rashi will show the

> > > > > adharma-dharma and its understanding by the individual that> > relates

to> > > > > actions, events as shown by the Rashi.> > > > >> > > > > Now, if

Navamsa is seen as a chart by itself, then, it would

> > give the> > > > > understanding or relevance of Dharma for such an

individual.> > It will> > > > also> > > > > show the Field of activity that may

be most suitable for an

> > > > individual to> > > > > understand Dharma.> > > > >> > > > > These are

purely my thoughts and I am not taking any help from> > the

> > > > classics.> > > > > In my view, Astrology has to show causal

interlinkages which> > is not> > > > seen by> > > > > the individual.

Therefore, from the D-60 we get the pool of

> > > > anandamayakosha> > > > > and we can check its manifestation at the level

of our values,> > mind, and> > > > > pranas through these charts. The grosser

manifestations that

> > appear> > > > to us as> > > > > powerful thoughts, emotions and values can

be seen from D1-D12> > charts.> > > > >> > > > > Having said the above, I know

I may be quite wrong but I see a

> > distinct> > > > > possibility here.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and Regards> >

> > > Bharat> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On 11/4/05, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep wrote:>

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > > >

> > > > > > Summary of my understanding and points discussed so far.> > > > > >>

> > > > > 1)Graha Drishti - Except for shadbala calculations, we> > generally go

> > > > > > by house wise aspects(approximation of longitudinal> > aspect).For>

> > > > > shadbala, we go by exact longitude and quantify.It is a> > known fact

> > > > > > that for Bhava Phala Niroopana,aspects are used based on> > houses.>

> > > > >> > > > > > 2)If a planet is aspecting a house without any placement -

> > We can> > > > > > only find the Drishti Kendra ie the point of maximum> >

influence.Mars> > > > > > aspecting Libra sign is a perfect example.This aspect

of

> > Mars is> > > > > > based on longitudinal dispositions of the sign in which

Mars> > is> > > > > > placed as well as the aspected Sign.These are> >

recorded/measured in

> > > > > > terms of degrees - multiples of 30 degree signs.Please do> > not

mix> > > > > > Navamsha,Dashamsha etc with this.Mars is aspecting the sign> >

Libra

> > > > > > which inturn is assuming roles of> > Navamsha,Dashamasha,Kshethra

etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3)A planet has a single position and hence a single

> > longitude at a> > > > > > point in time.Based on this position it has

numerous> > > > > > influences.These infleunces are understood through> >

Vargas.Pls

don't> > > > > > confuse this with Grahadrishti mentioned above.There is> > > >

> > no ''further'' longitude needed to understand this sambandha.> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4)For example Varga Bala is not calculated based on> > longitudes.It

is> > > > > > based on Planet/Rashi sambandha.Each harmonic sambandha has a> > >

> > > specific purpose(eg Navamsha for spouse).When we relate this

> > with> > > > > > the relevant bhava in Rashi chakra,picture becomes clear.I>

> had given> > > > > > classical references.> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5)Drigbala(Aspectual strenght) is calculated based on> > > > > >

longitude,while Varga/Planet relationships are harmonic> > influences.> > > > >

>

> > > > > > 6)Kshethra placement shows conjunction.This means a planet> > placed

in> > > > > > a sign is conjunct that sign.Navamsha shows ninth harmonic> > > >

> > influence.It means a particular planet from its place of> > occupation> > >

> > > has a harmonic relationship with another sign.In both the> > cases the> >

> > > > influence is on the sign and not on any specific

> > longitude.Longitude> > > > > > is a qualification for the planet and not

amshas.> > > > > >> > > > > > 7)For example, assume that planet Venus is placed

at 27

> > degrees in> > > > > > Pisces.This is the only placement it has in Zodiac.Now

sage> > has> > > > > > defined Zodiac as having 12 signs.3 degrees forward from

27

> > dgrees> > > > > > in Pisces and 27 degrees backward from 27 degrees in

Pisces> > is the> > > > > > Kshethra in which Venus is placed.This is the first

Varga or

> > first> > > > > > harmonic influence.In other words Venus is treated as> >

conjuncting> > > > > > the sign Pisces.The whole 30 degree sector is having 1

to 1

> > > > > > relationship with Pisces.In other words> > > > > > it is the first

division.> > > > > >> > > > > > 8)20 minutes backward from 27 degrees in pisces

and 3 degrees

> > > > > > forward from 27 degrees in pisces constitutes the navamsha> >

division> > > > > > in which Venus is placed.Parashara defined this sector> >

within Pisces

> > > > > > as Pisces Navamsha(no further degrees).This 3.2 degree> > sector is>

> > > > > thus having a harmonic influence with Pisces.Vargottama> > Navamsha.

> > > > > >> > > > > > 9)Difference between Point 7 and point 8 is - In point 7

it> > was a 1> > > > > > to 1 or first harmonic sambandha while in point 8 it

is a

> > ninth> > > > > > harmonic sambandha.This is the very purpose of harmonics.>

> > > > >> > > > > > 10)When two planets are conjunct in a sign acting as

> > Navamsha - it> > > > > > is infact showing the sambandha those planets are

having> > with that> > > > > > particular sign.To find aspects above that can

only be some

> > kind of> > > > > > poetical imagination and has no rational at all(Cannot

be> > reconciled> > > > > > with Parasharas aspectual rules).> > > > > >

> > > > > > 11)If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is> > nothing

but> > > > > > MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not> >

been

> > > > > > sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such> >

assumptions.This> > > > > > will create further problems similar to ''TWO

ZODIACS> > concept''.

> > > > > >> > > > > > I honestly beleive your good self will take the right

step.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

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