Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members, Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why the birth time is taken into account for all predictions and charts and not the conception time. Since the destiny of the child is already set once the conception has happened. The only deviation is if the child dies during childbirth or within the womb. Can you throw some light on this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Sahabji, I am yet to know and learn the science of astrology. But then your question is quite an interesting one and needs an analytical approach. BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known, and cannot be known ! Even in these days of artificial insemination. The sperm and egg can and and may go in to a hybernated condition and spring up to activity at a later stage. That apart the science of astrology deals with life and life means breth and that can occur only when exposed to the atmosphere - after birth. This my humble opinion based on my own perception life and astrology. I stand to be corrected please. K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN --- baksh5 <avbhat2005 wrote: Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members, Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why the birth time is taken into account for all predictions and charts and not the conception time. Since the destiny of the child is already set once the conception has happened. The only deviation is if the child dies during childbirth or within the womb. Can you throw some light on this matter. Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Terms of Service. ________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Photos http://in.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Namaste, Ramakrishnanji, you made the following comment - > BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known, > and cannot be known ! Since Birth time can always be corrected if not known by different means of astrological methods, Can't the conception time also be corrected and guessed accurately. With Regards Akash, vedic astrology, RAAMAKRISHNAN KANTHADAI <raamakrishnankr> wrote: > Sahabji, I am yet to know and learn the science of > astrology. But then your question is quite an > interesting one and needs an analytical approach. > BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known, > and cannot be known ! Even in these days of artificial > insemination. The sperm and egg can and and may go in > to a hybernated condition and spring up to activity > at a later stage. That apart the science of astrology > deals with life and life means breth and that can > occur only when exposed to the atmosphere - after > birth. This my humble opinion based on my own > perception life and astrology. I stand to be corrected > please. > K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN > > > > > --- baksh5 <avbhat2005> wrote: > > > > Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members, > > Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why the > birth time is > taken into account for all predictions and charts and > not the > conception time. Since the destiny of the child is > already set once > the conception has happened. The only deviation is if > the child dies > during childbirth or within the womb. > > Can you throw some light on this matter. > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > > Terms of Service. > > > ________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Photos http://in.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Bhat, Well, to start with i feel your doubt is valid.I feel we need to take the following aspects into consideration to explain your doubt. Astrology is the science which explains the effects of each planets at a particular place,date & time for for each 'native' relatively with respect to 7 planets,two nodes planetary motion & 12 Houses.Here we must understand the relativity.I mean we can arrive at the astrological readings considering the relative conditions in which native had born.Here conditions means the place,date,time of birth.As we know Lattitudes,Longitudes & Altitudes change from place to place on eath.The effects of planets and nodes will be different from place to place on earth.That is why we consider the place of birth,date & time of birth. Comming to your question: why the birth time is taken into account for all predictions and charts and not the conception time. Why birth time is taken into account has been explained above.Astrologically the conception time depends on the natal charts of the couple & it does not fall under would-be born (or going to born) which is non existent on the planet earth and we have no primary data about him The conception time cant be taken for the baby who is going to be born as still he is not having existence on the planet earth.But this time of conception will come under the purview of the natal charts of both the couple (would be parents) i.e The planets & houses which effects the conception.Similarly is the concept of muhurat (birth time of the work) for the start of any work. Some of my friends use to question me why planet Earth is not taken into account in astrology.When a native is born on planet Earth how can earth can show effects on itself.Imagine if a native is born on planet mars then mars cant show any effects on the native then earth has to be taken into account as one of the planets which can show effects. Respected Members correct me if some of my views are wroung/different. Hope your doubts has been cleared, Warm Regards, Sunil Kumar Varanasi.. baksh5 <avbhat2005 > wrote: Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members,Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why the birth time is taken into account for all predictions and charts and not the conception time. Since the destiny of the child is already set once the conception has happened. The only deviation is if the child dies during childbirth or within the womb.Can you throw some light on this matter.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages Only in Mail: http://in.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Baksh Ji, I add some more here.After the conception takes place, the child will be in the womb of its Mother and its past Karmas will come into existence only when the child enters this Prithvi after getting disconnected from Mother's Naval Chord.Hence,birth time is more important.When the child is inside the Mother's womb, one can tell about Mother's Poorva Karma that the child will be alive or not. I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.RAAMAKRISHNAN KANTHADAI <raamakrishnankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sahabji, I am yet to know and learn the science ofastrology. But then your question is quite aninteresting one and needs an analytical approach.BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known,and cannot be known ! Even in these days of artificialinsemination. The sperm and egg can and and may go into a hybernated condition and spring up to activityat a later stage. That apart the science of astrologydeals with life and life means breth and that canoccur only when exposed to the atmosphere - afterbirth. This my humble opinion based on my ownperception life and astrology. I stand to be correctedplease.K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN--- baksh5 <avbhat2005 > wrote:Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members,Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why thebirth time is taken into account for all predictions and charts andnot the conception time. Since the destiny of the child isalready set once the conception has happened. The only deviation is ifthe child dies during childbirth or within the womb.Can you throw some light on this matter.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info:vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail tovedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Terms of Service. ________How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Photos http://in.photos.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Too much spam in your inbox? Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE!http://in.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 AKASH SAHAB, NO . The reason being that we do not know and there is no means of knowing when the spematozoa.and the ovum will come togather. Even Rishis could not find out. I may mention a story. The name of the Rishi is not known or I have forgotten. . A Rishi Pathni was extreemly beautiful. Indra spotted her and ascertained that the Rishi was out for along period. So Indra went to that Rishi Pathni and enticed her. Indra enjoyed her and also made her to enjoy and realise the peak of Indra's capacity. Having enjoyed Indra left her in a state of complete exhaustion.Just then the Rishi hurried back to the ashram, having calculated and finding the time to be most suitable to have a conjugal relation with his Pathni so that the progeny could be all the best. Though the Rishi Pathni was compleately exhausted , she gave in and the Raishi completed his job with the satisfaction that HIS CHILD WILL be all the best. In due course the child was born and was very beautiful. But to the Rishi's dismay the child was not having any resemblance to his feature or the mother's feature. Rishi's gyan dhrishti showed that the real father was NONE other than DEVA INDRA ! The Rishi realised that the handsome figure of Indra made his Pathni to succomb to his desires. And then and there the Rishi cursed that Indra will have lot of holes in his beautiful body and that Indra himself will start hating his own self. The story is to say that though the Rishi found out the right time for the CONCEPTION destiny did not allow the calculation to come to effect. Even the Rishi could not detect, with all his knowledge, that the conception has already taken place ! God almighty has decided that we are not to know the exact time of conception. But has given a time period during which if a conception takes place then the progeny will be good. Akash sahab maine kosish kiya kuch bolne ke liye. Lekin patha nahin ki tik bola ya nahin. Astrology is a divine science. It does not wat us to interfere with the ongoing of the world as per Divine Order. If you rmember the origin of Mahabharat you may get some idea. I am thankful to you for making me think in these lines. Please be free to express your opinions. I stand to be corrected. K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN ----Original Message-----vedic astrology [vedic astrology]On Behalf Of baksh5Friday, July 08, 2005 7:51 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Chart Timings..- Repeat... Namaste, Ramakrishnanji,you made the following comment -> BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known,> and cannot be known !Since Birth time can always be corrected if not known by different means of astrological methods, Can't the conception time also be corrected and guessed accurately.With RegardsAkash,vedic astrology, RAAMAKRISHNAN KANTHADAI <raamakrishnankr> wrote:> Sahabji, I am yet to know and learn the science of> astrology. But then your question is quite an> interesting one and needs an analytical approach.> BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known,> and cannot be known ! Even in these days of artificial> insemination. The sperm and egg can and and may go in> to a hybernated condition and spring up to activity> at a later stage. That apart the science of astrology> deals with life and life means breth and that can> occur only when exposed to the atmosphere - after> birth. This my humble opinion based on my own> perception life and astrology. I stand to be corrected> please.> K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN> > > > > --- baksh5 <avbhat2005> wrote:> > > > Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members,> > Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why the> birth time is > taken into account for all predictions and charts and> not the > conception time. Since the destiny of the child is> already set once > the conception has happened. The only deviation is if> the child dies > during childbirth or within the womb.> > Can you throw some light on this matter.> > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info:> vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > ||> > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service.> > > > > > > > > > ________> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Photos http://in.photos.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Namaste Sri Ramadasji, Raamakrishnanji and Sunilji Thanks for your insightful comments. It does clear some of the basic doubts. But I am still not getting convinced. So I tried casting a chart for the possible conception time by back calculating the birth time Vs the possible conception time. From the Scan reports we can come to know the age of the foetus. Using that data and tracing back to the possible day of conception, I casted a chart. To my amazement the chart casted at the conception time resembles most of the characteristics depicted in the behaviour of the child. I tried this way with couple of other charts ( for which I had access to the scan data) and found it to be nearly accurate. So my doubt still lingers. With Regards Akash, vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > > ` nmae naray[ay, > > om namo näräyaëäya| > Dear Baksh Ji, > I add some more here.After the conception takes place, the child will be in the womb of its Mother and its past Karmas will come into existence only when the child enters this Prithvi after getting disconnected from Mother's Naval Chord.Hence,birth time is more important.When the child is inside the Mother's womb, one can tell about Mother's Poorva Karma that the child will be alive or not. > I hope this helps you. > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, > Ramadas Rao. > > RAAMAKRISHNAN KANTHADAI <raamakrishnankr> wrote: > Sahabji, I am yet to know and learn the science of > astrology. But then your question is quite an > interesting one and needs an analytical approach. > BIRTH is known so the time. Conception is not known, > and cannot be known ! Even in these days of artificial > insemination. The sperm and egg can and and may go in > to a hybernated condition and spring up to activity > at a later stage. That apart the science of astrology > deals with life and life means breth and that can > occur only when exposed to the atmosphere - after > birth. This my humble opinion based on my own > perception life and astrology. I stand to be corrected > please. > K.R.RAAMAKRISHNAN > > > > > --- baksh5 <avbhat2005> wrote: > > > > Respected Gurujis and Other Learned members, > > Had a query for quite some time in mind as to why the > birth time is > taken into account for all predictions and charts and > not the > conception time. Since the destiny of the child is > already set once > the conception has happened. The only deviation is if > the child dies > during childbirth or within the womb. > > Can you throw some light on this matter. > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > > Terms of Service. > > > ________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Photos http://in.photos. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Too much spam in your inbox? Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! > http://in.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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