Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Accident schematic)

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Yes Indeed. But it was not in connection with a divisional chart. I am

sure full moon can become combust moon too :-)

 

 

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:07:54 -0000, kasim_c

<kasim_c wrote:

>

> Dear Panditiji,

>

> It is quite amusing and ironic that Mercury can be in quadrants to

> Sun in the divisional charts.

>

>

>

> Kasim

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste Kartik,

> >

> > Excellent question. Everything is derived from rashi and it trumps

> all

> > the charts. I do look at the divisional lagna and planets in it or

> the

> > 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But I do not go jumping to

> divisional

> > and use it as a chart with houses. I can not say parashara said to

> use

> > it as a separate chart. ( I do not want to get into pedantic

> argument

> > about it, I have not seen evidence that parashar said to use

> > divisional as a separate chart) Also the divisional influence is a

> > Tertiary influence and NOT the primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis

> is

> > to be used to look for tertiary facors. If the primary factors are

> > adverse, I don't care how strong a divisional chart is it is not

> going

> > to give great results.Yes if a graha is debilited in rashi but

> exalted

> > in navansh then his strength is improved and it is one of the

> > strengths ( not THE strength).

> >

> > Now about twins, every one talks about it in connection with

> > divisionals. As for me I treat twins as an exception and do not go

> > formulating rules for exceptions, thats a dangerous habit. I am

> happy

> > if I can make good predictions in 75 percent of the cases. Also I

> have

> > seen that navansha lagna if it changes can make facial features

> > different in twins. Anyway people say there are 100s or 1000s of

> > people born on the same day and time and place. This is a

> conjecture,

> > go and find hospital records and show me statistical record of how

> > many births tooks place at the same place and same time.

> >

> > Talking about Parashar. He has given avataars ..he says Moon is

> > Krishna, Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar

> who

> > was son of vyas ? He did not say future avataar of budhh, so that

> > shloka could mean that this was written at a much later date or it

> was

> > added to the original text at a later date.He never mentions about

> > kalaki avataar. There is a classic , I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

> > mentionsi t).It is written in this classic "When budh is in

> quadrant

> > from Sun.." Now we know thats anastronomical immpossibility.

> >

> > Anyway the point is one has to be careful in deciphering what was

> said

> > in ancient texts. There are controversies in many areas of jyotish

> and

> > in interpretation of classics. My point is to use methods that have

> > been tested on many many horoscopes. I will be really surprised

> that

> > people have calculated so many divisional charts in the past. May

> be

> > for well to do who could pay money to have these elaborate charts

> made

> > precomputer era. For most the charts were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> > rashi, and navansh( Even this was added only if a client

> insisted). In

> > the north or may be south it was customary. it is not so in the

> > western part of India.

> >

> > Anyway

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000, amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > > I have a question (and I do not believe in

> personalized

> > > arguements so nothing in what I will say will have any personal

> > > connotations). If we were to focus on rashi charts and not give

> much

> > > of consideration to divisionals, then would it not be true that

> a

> > > large number of people (a relative terminology) would end up

> with

> > > the same horoscope and one might be a king and the other a

> pauper (

> > > a theoretical comparison).Also what about twins?

> > > Regards,

> > > Kartik

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Panditji

> <navagraha@g...>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste Narayan,

> > > >

> > > > Looks like you are taking sides to defend something that has

> not

> > > been

> > > > attacked. I know what parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned

> about

> > > > divisions and if you say it was in vogue since the day of

> parashar

> > > you

> > > > must be really looooong in tooth. You are talking as if you

> just

> > > had a

> > > > conversation with him. I stand by my statement that divisional

> > > came in

> > > > vogue after the advent of computers and now even a novice with

> one

> > > day

> > > > of training or less can put them up and can write off pages

> about

> > > > which planet is where in which varga and from what rashi dasha

> he

> > > is

> > > > in what house. Whether there are houses in divisional charts

> is a

> > > > debate in itself. I do not know sanjay rath and my intention

> was

> > > not

> > > > to question his teachings or his grand fathers', as I do not

> know

> > > his

> > > > teachings. What I commented is based on what I have seen a few

> on

> > > the

> > > > list who say they are beginners just go on and on about

> divisionals

> > > > and dashas in divisionals as if there was no tomorrow. I put

> out my

> > > > opinion for others to read, they can make their own judgements

> > > about

> > > > whatever technique they want to use. If you want to use 5

> kinds of

> > > > dashas and 5 kinds of lagnas to arrive at a correct

> prediction, all

> > > > the power to you. I am presenting what I feel is a approach

> that

> > > has

> > > > worked for me. Let others be judge of those methods. I am not

> > > forcing

> > > > any technique down anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> > > > methodology( Which is not invented by me, but has been taught

> by

> > > great

> > > > astrologers like KN RAo, Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.),

> why

> > > should

> > > > you or anyone feel threatened by it.

> > > >

> > > > People ask questions on this list and if I have time and

> > > inclination I

> > > > answer to the best of my ability. While doing so, I feel I

> have to

> > > put

> > > > my opinions out there for people on the list to read. I have

> not

> > > > criticized any astrologer on the list, thats not my style. But

> if I

> > > > have differences of opinion with a methodology I voice my

> opinion.

> > > Let

> > > > the members of the list decide what they want to use. Your

> methods

> > > may

> > > > be good for you, why are you threatened if someone puts out

> there

> > > > views on the subject.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> > > > <narayan.iyer@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These principles are a work in progress. It would surprise

> me

> > > if

> > > > > > they have been tested on tons of charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > As with any field of knowledge, there are always principles,

> > > idioms,

> > > > > patterns, which will be formed and would be subjected to

> > > testing! On

> > > > > what basis did you jump to conclusion that these principles

> have

> > > not

> > > > > been tested adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> > > these

> > > > > principles are a "work in progress", for that matter no

> > > principles

> > > > > work 100% and research is required! It could also be

> entirely

> > > > > probable that the chart could need some rectification. One

> > > should

> > > > > have an open mind. For that matter, even your principles are

> > > > > subjected to testing and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> > > matter,

> > > > > then you would be an "Expert/Rishi"

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > To begin with the divisionals came

> > > > > > into vogue after the advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > > calculation of them fast. In the precomputer days,by the

> time

> > > one

> > > > > > calculated all these accurately and verified, the jatak

> would

> > > have

> > > > > > been long gone. So this phenomenon is from the past few

> years

> > > and I

> > > > > > don't see evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> > > > > > applicability

> > > > > > in 75 percent of the cases. I am sure there will be one or

> two

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > where it will fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

> great

> > > cold

> > > > > > north, "One Robin does not make a spring".

> > > > >

> > > > > For your esteemed information, Divisionals were in vogue

> since

> > > the

> > > > > days of Parasara, infact, right at the start, he defined and

> > > gave

> > > > > meaninings to all divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are

> you

> > > > > saying that Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

> that we

> > > can

> > > > > pass our idle time or do you think they had nothing better

> to

> > > do???

> > > > >

> > > > > Even in the past, AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> > > > > calculation, for example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of

> Pt

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > Rath, used to MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > > would be

> > > > > surprised, dasas upto deha level, which is the 6 levels

> deep!

> > > > > Ofcourse, these calculations consume a lot of time, and

> hence,

> > > they

> > > > > would limit themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

> times,

> > > > > these charts are prepared in advance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse, there are Astrologers who would restrict

> themselves to

> > > > > Rasi & Navamsa and make accurate predictions, and they do

> rely a

> > > lot

> > > > > on their intuition. If we restrict ourselves to Rasi &

> Navamsa,

> > > we

> > > > > better hope and pray for good solid intuition! Oh yes ... by

> the

> > > > > way ... even those who restrict themselves to Rasi &

> Navamsa,

> > > > > flexibly twist their principles to suit the results, if not

> > > lagna,

> > > > > then chandra lagna ... so on and so forth!

> > > > >

> > > > > Point is ... serious minded & honest research is required to

> > > come up

> > > > > with principles and then these should be tested thoroughly.

> SJC

> > > is

> > > > > in the process of doing it ... although there is no formal

> > > process

> > > > > for it. We will be taking this matter seriously in the

> coming

> > > years!

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point, Pt Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ...

> he

> > > > > likes/expects his student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > > intelligence! Nothing comes easy ... Adversity breeds

> CHARACTER!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New parameters are introduced to fit the event which is

> > > already

> > > > > known.

> > > > > > On this list some time back one had an example of father's

> > > death.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > that they used 7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > > why ? Why

> > > > > > not 7th from 9th from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not

> 2nd

> > > from

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > from ravi. Then one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one

> does

> > > not

> > > > > find

> > > > > > it there , then aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in

> D-

> > > 12. It

> > > > > > can get confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > > rashis

> > > > > and I

> > > > > > am sure the graha whose dasha you are running at the time

> of

> > > the

> > > > > known

> > > > > > event will be there in one of those.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure, not even Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

> must

> > > > > have exprimented, just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come

> up

> > > with

> > > > > idioms & principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> > > even

> > > > > you have a fool-proof methodology of predicting events,

> without

> > > > > beating around the bush!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My point is ,test priciples on charts you have and develop

> a

> > > > > > consistent principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > > cases.Then

> > > > > make

> > > > > > it a principle. Do not make rules as you go based on the

> chart

> > > you

> > > > > > have in front of you.BTW there are principles that have

> been

> > > > > developed

> > > > > > by peope like KN Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust

> me

> > > they

> > > > > work

> > > > > > in majority of cases

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Principles, should especially be tested on the basis of

> > > probability,

> > > > > like Narasimha said, if the likelihood of an event happening

> is

> > > high

> > > > > and if you give a numerous paramters explaining the event,

> these

> > > > > principles are not probabalistically valid, although they

> may be

> > > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like explaining, the chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri

> Karak

> > > caused

> > > > > birth of siblings!! I consider that an incomplete and a

> totally

> > > > > inadequate research!

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > Narayan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > > <mtravass@t...>

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Narasimha,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I applied the same logic in my chart and it shows

> something

> > > else.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The time when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I

> was

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > Cn-Li Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The second time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

> and I

> > > was

> > > > > > > running Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both the accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

> GMT).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I cannot apply any of the principles that you stated in

> your

> > > > > email

> > > > > > > unless there are others, which can be applied, and you

> did

> > > not

> > > > > state.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could you assist here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mike

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > November 14, 1963

> > > > > > > Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N 18' 00"

> > > > > > > Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> P.V.R.

> > > Rao"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > > > Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

> schematic)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

> under

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> > > (combinations) in

> > > > > D16

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should

> be

> > > > > taken in

> > > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > > > 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > > respectively,

> > > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > > > > will show for matters related to cars and other

> > > sukha.

> > > > > > > > > 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > > > > Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's

> mentioned

> > > above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Add badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > > problem

> > > > > sign.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

> 6:30 pm

> > > > > (EST),

> > > > > > > Wilmington, MA. I was not hurt, but the car

> was "totalled".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > > antardasa.

> > > > > In my

> > > > > > > D-16, Ta is the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th

> lord

> > > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > > nodes. It is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of

> a

> > > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > > It is also the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> > > problems in

> > > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> > > dasa

> > > > > > > interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > > rasi. So it gives its results in the first one-third.

> Its

> > > lord

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > is also in a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his

> results

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > second one-third. The last one-third gives the results

> of

> > > > > occupants

> > > > > > > and aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

> Venus,

> > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > Ketu and Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide

> the

> > > last

> > > > > one-

> > > > > > > third of the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to

> these

> > > 4

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > in this order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa

> sign

> > > is

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > in Oct 1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

> badhaka

> > > > > sthana

> > > > > > > and aspects the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> > > period

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > question resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I

> have

> > > an

> > > > > > > accident in Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan

> 1997

> > > > > suffered

> > > > > > > too. It was hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> > > parking

> > > > > lot.

> > > > > > > I did not see who hit it, but someone hit it twice.

> After

> > > these

> > > > > > > repeated incidents, I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> > > another

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > car in Sept 1997. All these are due to the sub-period

> giving

> > > the

> > > > > > > results of Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > > also of Ta, which contains Rahu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

> antardasa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had

> Leo

> > > > > rising,

> > > > > > > lagna lord Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> > > Ketu.

> > > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > > Saturn antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> > > running

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > Dec 3 to Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze

> me!

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Ketkar, Namaskar

 

Indeed Mercury to be in quadrants to Sun is The Point! Is it an

astronomical impossibility or some food for thought?

 

Anyway, when you are happy with 75% results, what makes you so

uncomfortable when people strive for somewhat better results? And

what IF more than 75% of BPHS is authentic?

 

You can continue to feel confident of your Panditya.

 

Just expressing my opinion (not necessarily based on this mail alone,

but several others in the recent times)

 

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Suryaviswanadham,

 

Namaste

 

[indeed Mercury to be in quadrants to Sun is The Point! Is it an

astronomical impossibility or some food for thought?]

 

It requires zero intelligence to decipher that possibility exists in the

vargas.

Armed with an ephemeris, calculating the vargas is simpler than the

interpretations and all the subtleties.

 

Love,

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Namaste,

 

I am assuming you sent this mail in respect to discussion on

divisionals as the subject line is the same.

 

Are you suggesting that the people on this list who are using

divisional charts and many arudhs have better than 75 percent success

rate ? You are talking as if 75 percent is a given and people here are

striving for 100 % success by pushing the boundaries of knowledge.

 

I go back to my original point, if the event is known it can be seen

in any chart. Lets take the example of father's death. Once it is

known he died in rahu anter dasha one has to find rahu connection.

This is what I see being done. Lets see now fathers death

 

Rashi chart : 7th or 2 nd from 9th

Rashi Chart: 7th or 2nd from Arudh of 9th

Rahi chart: 7th or 2nd from 9th from sun

Dwadashansha: 7th or 2nd from 9th from sun

Dwadashansha: 7th or 2nd from 9th

Dwadashansha: 7th or 2nd from Arudh of 9th in D-12

 

Now lets see, how many houses we have covered 12. Then one can use

narayan dasha in Rashi chart that will give Mahdasha and Anter dasha

signs if 12 are not enough from the above list or a few are common.

Then go to narayandasha of D-12 that will give two more mahdasha

-anter dasha signs. I sure you can find Rahu or whatever planet you

are looking for in those plethora of signs. If not God help us.

 

Now is this a priciple that can be consistently applied,

absolutely..in retrospect after the event is known.There are only 12

signs and we have covered them all, unless you need 108 parameters

then one needs to work a bit harder at innovation. Now can we predict

into the future based on this priciple.?...... Which one of the 12

rashis you will pick ? With this you are alluding that you are

striving for 100 % success. Do you have even 75 percent success ? If

the answer to this question is Yes ,then please let me know where you

are and I would be obliged if you accept me as a student. I don't

think anyone on this list can say they have 75 percent success in

predictions, only a very few and brillinat astrologers who practice

this every day can come close to it, they are thrilled if they get

that high percent accuracy.

 

....

 

 

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:14 -0000, SuryaViswanadham

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>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Ketkar, Namaskar

>

> Indeed Mercury to be in quadrants to Sun is The Point! Is it an

> astronomical impossibility or some food for thought?

>

> Anyway, when you are happy with 75% results, what makes you so

> uncomfortable when people strive for somewhat better results? And

> what IF more than 75% of BPHS is authentic?

>

> You can continue to feel confident of your Panditya.

>

> Just expressing my opinion (not necessarily based on this mail alone,

> but several others in the recent times)

>

> regards

> suryaviswanadham

>

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Excellent Panditji. I agree 100%.

 

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19, 03, 2005 9:20 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

Namaste,I am assuming you sent this mail in respect to discussion ondivisionals

as the subject line is the same.Are you suggesting that the people on this list

who are usingdivisional charts and many arudhs have better than 75 percent

successrate ? You are talking as if 75 percent is a given and people here

arestriving for 100 % success by pushing the boundaries of knowledge.I go back

to my original point, if the event is known it can be seenin any chart. Lets

take the example of father's death. Once it isknown he died in rahu anter dasha

one has to find rahu connection.This is what I see being done. Lets see now

fathers deathRashi chart : 7th or 2 nd from 9thRashi Chart: 7th or 2nd from

Arudh of 9thRahi chart: 7th or 2nd from 9th from sunDwadashansha: 7th or 2nd

from 9th from sunDwadashansha: 7th or 2nd from 9thDwadashansha: 7th or 2nd from

Arudh of 9th in D-12Now lets see, how many houses we have covered 12. Then one

can usenarayan dasha in Rashi chart that will give Mahdasha and Anter

dashasigns if 12 are not enough from the above list or a few are common.Then go

to narayandasha of D-12 that will give two more mahdasha-anter dasha signs. I

sure you can find Rahu or whatever planet youare looking for in those plethora

of signs. If not God help us.Now is this a priciple that can be consistently

applied,absolutely..in retrospect after the event is known.There are only

12signs and we have covered them all, unless you need 108 parametersthen one

needs to work a bit harder at innovation. Now can we predictinto the future

based on this priciple.?...... Which one of the 12rashis you will pick ? With

this you are alluding that you arestriving for 100 % success. Do you have even

75 percent success ? Ifthe answer to this question is Yes ,then please let me

know where youare and I would be obliged if you accept me as a student. I

don'tthink anyone on this list can say they have 75 percent success

inpredictions, only a very few and brillinat astrologers who practicethis every

day can come close to it, they are thrilled if they getthat high percent

accuracy....On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:07:14 -0000,

SuryaViswanadham<vishwanatham > wrote:> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear

Ketkar, Namaskar> > Indeed Mercury to be in quadrants to Sun is The Point! Is

it an > astronomical impossibility or some food for thought?> > Anyway, when

you are happy with 75% results, what makes you so > uncomfortable when people

strive for somewhat better results? And > what IF more than 75% of BPHS is

authentic?> > You can continue to feel confident of your Panditya.> > Just

expressing my opinion (not necessarily based on this mail alone, > but several

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Dear Sarajit,

Very well said.

Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

 

As you say

that the person using the

divisional charts need to understand the erection of the chart, the

philosophy

behind its and the ways to use it before

start using it.

However, only because someone is unable to understand the usage of some

aspects

of a discipline does not mean that that aspect is incorrect. Moreover,

it is

not at all about sophistication as you have

mentioned,

it is about the depth of the discipline. It is expected that someone

who is new

to a discipline, only learns the fundamentals and basics, however when

one gets

used to the fundamentals, gets deeper into the subject and this is true

with

all subjects and not Jyotish only.

 

The

statement that Shastras do not have

sanction of using the divisional charts is of no ground. If that’s so Maharishi Parashara,

Maharishi Jaimini,

Raja Kalyanverma, Vyankatesha

Daivagna and many authors have not said

so many things in

days where the brevity of words and space were of utmost importance.

Whatever

the point it, the bottomline is that, the

taste of

the pudding is in eating… try it and then see how useful are they.

 

If were to

make appeals to the beginners,

then tell them to study authentic sources and understand it properly

before

using them. Isn’t it true even with the interpretation of rasi chart!!!

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

Panditji

[navagraha ]

Saturday, March

19, 2005

11:15 AM

To:

vedic astrology

Re:

[vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

 

namaste,

Someone just sent me this. I am posting

it here.

The gentleman who

posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have

not asked

his permission to

post it here but I thought this is in

context with

various divisional

and other techniques we are debating. My

apologies

to Mr. pradeep if I

am taking too many liberties here.

---

This mail only address my concerns

regarding

technical points.

I think we are missing the essence.

Techniques

that ease our

calculation are a boon. No one

disagrees. For that

reason we use

software. But Jyotish is not about

technical

sophistication.

When we have a door and steps to enter a

house why

should we use our

acrobatic skills and climb through the

sewage

pipe, at the building

rear? After knowing the basics (purpose

of door

and steps) one can

try climbing through sewage for a change.

But what is happening. One is not aware

of the

basics and goes

directly to sewage pipe. Many go

directly to

dashamsha whenever

professional matters are to be

ascertained, even

without knowing how

dashamsha is derived. Many believe

dashamsha as a

division of the

10th house & Navamsha as a division

of the 9th

house. I got private

mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for

professional

matters, but

there is no classical reference

sanctioning the

usage of it as a

chart. Moreover astronomically it is

impossible.

As per Shri

Narasimha sage has not even given the

amsha

tattwas - just the lords

alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from

it,Artha trikonas etc in

divisionals, when considering it as a

chart itself

is against

rules?.

If we start stretching our legs before

we sit, we

will fall.

Unfortunately some techniques are taking

one away

from basics. If we

have a good foundation, any number of

floors can

be erected on top.

If our basement is weak, irrespective of

how many

techniques we

have, the structures can only collapse.

One can

keep and open mind

and pick the good from all sources. It

is not

necessary to accept

all from one place and leave the rest. I

can learn

from you and vice

versa may be one of the best approaches.

Please

see this in the

right spirit. I respect knowledge from

all,but do

not accept

anything blindly.

Thanks

Pradeep

-----

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500,

Panditji

<navagraha > wrote:

> Namaste Kartik,

>

> Excellent question. Everything is

derived

from rashi and it trumps all

> the charts. I do look at the

divisional lagna

and planets in it or the

> 1-7 axis of the divisional

chart.But I do not

go jumping to divisional

> and use it as a chart with houses.

I can not

say parashara said to use

> it as a separate chart. ( I do not

want to

get into pedantic argument

> about it, I have not seen evidence

that

parashar said to use

> divisional as a separate chart)

Also the

divisional influence is a

> Tertiary influence and NOT the

primary one.

So divisional 1-7 axis is

> to be used to look for tertiary

facors. If

the primary factors are

> adverse, I don't care how strong a

divisional

chart is it is not going

> to give great results.Yes if a

graha is

debilited in rashi but exalted

> in navansh then his strength is

improved and

it is one of the

> strengths ( not THE strength).

>

> Now about twins, every one talks

about it in

connection with

> divisionals. As for me I treat

twins as an

exception and do not go

> formulating rules for exceptions,

thats a

dangerous habit. I am happy

> if I can make good predictions in

75 percent

of the cases. Also I have

> seen that navansha lagna if it

changes can

make facial features

> different in twins. Anyway people

say there

are 100s or 1000s of

> people born on the same day and

time and

place. This is a conjecture,

> go and find hospital records and

show me

statistical record of how

> many births tooks place at the same

place and

same time.

>

> Talking about Parashar. He has

given avataars

...he says Moon is

> Krishna,

Sun

is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who

> was son of vyas ? He did not say

future

avataar of budhh, so that

> shloka could mean that this was

written at a

much later date or it was

> added to the original text at a

later date.He

never mentions about

> kalaki avataar. There is a classic

, I forget

the name,( Hart Defaw

> mentionsi t).It is written in this

classic

"When budh is in quadrant

> from Sun.." Now we know thats

anastronomical immpossibility.

>

> Anyway the point is one has to be

careful in

deciphering what was said

> in ancient texts. There are

controversies in

many areas of jyotish and

> in interpretation of classics. My

point is to

use methods that have

> been tested on many many

horoscopes. I will

be really surprised that

> people have calculated so many

divisional

charts in the past. May be

> for well to do who could pay money

to have

these elaborate charts made

> precomputer era. For most the

charts were

done Lagna rashi, Moon

> rashi, and navansh( Even this was

added only

if a client insisted). In

> the north or may be south it was

customary.

it is not so in the

> western part of India.

>

> Anyway

>

> ...

>

>

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000,

amoebabhu

<amoebabhu > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Panditji,

>

> I have a

question (and I do not believe in personalized

> > arguements so nothing in what

I will say

will have any personal

> > connotations). If we were to

focus on

rashi charts and not give much

> > of consideration to

divisionals, then

would it not be true that a

> > large number of people (a

relative

terminology) would end up with

> > the same horoscope and one

might be a

king and the other a pauper (

> > a theoretical comparison).Also

what

about twins?

> > Regards,

> > Kartik

> >

> > --- In

vedic astrology,

Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> >

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Narayan,

> > >

> > > Looks like you are taking

sides to

defend something that has not

> > been

> > > attacked. I know what

parashara

said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> > > divisions and if you say

it was in

vogue since the day of parashar

> > you

> > > must be really looooong

in tooth.

You are talking as if you just

> > had a

> > > conversation with him. I

stand by

my statement that divisional

> > came in

> > > vogue after the advent of

computers

and now even a novice with one

> > day

> > > of training or less can

put them up

and can write off pages about

> > > which planet is where in

which

varga and from what rashi dasha he

> > is

> > > in what house. Whether

there are

houses in divisional charts is a

> > > debate in itself. I do

not know

sanjay rath and my intention was

> > not

> > > to question his teachings

or his

grand fathers', as I do not know

> > his

> > > teachings. What I

commented is

based on what I have seen a few on

> > the

> > > list who say they are

beginners

just go on and on about divisionals

> > > and dashas in divisionals

as if

there was no tomorrow. I put out my

> > > opinion for others to

read, they

can make their own judgements

> > about

> > > whatever technique they

want to

use. If you want to use 5 kinds of

> > > dashas and 5 kinds of

lagnas to

arrive at a correct prediction, all

> > > the power to you. I am

presenting

what I feel is a approach that

> > has

> > > worked for me. Let others

be judge

of those methods. I am not

> > forcing

> > > any technique down

anyone's throat.

I do have an opinion and an

> > > methodology( Which is not

invented

by me, but has been taught by

> > great

> > > astrologers like KN RAo,

Nandan

Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> > should

> > > you or anyone feel

threatened by

it.

> > >

> > > People ask questions on

this list

and if I have time and

> > inclination I

> > > answer to the best of my

ability.

While doing so, I feel I have to

> > put

> > > my opinions out there for

people on

the list to read. I have not

> > > criticized any astrologer

on the

list, thats not my style. But if I

> > > have differences of

opinion with a

methodology I voice my opinion.

> > Let

> > > the members of the list

decide what

they want to use. Your methods

> > may

> > > be good for you, why are

you

threatened if someone puts out there

> > > views on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005

01:15:35 -0000,

naaraayana_iyer

> > > <narayan.iyer@g...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > > Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > These

principles are a

work in progress. It would surprise me

> > if

> > > > > they have been

tested on tons of charts.

> > > >

> > > > As with any field of

knowledge, there are always principles,

> > idioms,

> > > > patterns, which will

be formed

and would be subjected to

> > testing! On

> > > > what basis did you

jump to

conclusion that these principles have

> > not

> > > > been tested

adequately?? It

could be entirely probable that

> > these

> > > > principles are a

"work in

progress", for that matter no

> > principles

> > > > work 100% and

research is

required! It could also be entirely

> > > > probable that the

chart could

need some rectification. One

> > should

> > > > have an open mind.

For that

matter, even your principles are

> > > > subjected to testing

and

cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> > matter,

> > > > then you would be an

"Expert/Rishi"

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To begin with

the

divisionals came

> > > > > into vogue

after the

advent of computer programs which made

> > > > > calculation of

them fast.

In the precomputer days,by the time

> > one

> > > > > calculated all

these

accurately and verified, the jatak would

> > have

> > > > > been long gone.

So this

phenomenon is from the past few years

> > and I

> > > > > don't see

evidence of its

unversal applicability or even

> > > > > applicability

> > > > > in 75 percent

of the

cases. I am sure there will be one or two

> > > > charts

> > > > > where it will

fit

perfectly. But as they say here in the great

> > cold

> > > > > north, "One

Robin

does not make a spring".

> > > >

> > > > For your esteemed

information,

Divisionals were in vogue since

> > the

> > > > days of Parasara,

infact,

right at the start, he defined and

> > gave

> > > > meaninings to all

divisionals

upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> > > > saying that

Maharishis defined

it and talked about it so that we

> > can

> > > > pass our idle time

or do you

think they had nothing better to

> > do???

> > > >

> > > > Even in the past,

AStrologers

have gone into the depths of

> > > > calculation, for

example Pt

Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> > Sanjay

> > > > Rath, used to

MANUALLY

calculate all divisions, and ... you

> > would be

> > > > surprised, dasas

upto deha

level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> > > > Ofcourse, these

calculations

consume a lot of time, and hence,

> > they

> > > > would limit

themselves to a

couple of charts. Most of the times,

> > > > these charts are

prepared in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, there are

Astrologers who would restrict themselves to

> > > > Rasi & Navamsa

and make

accurate predictions, and they do rely a

> > lot

> > > > on their intuition.

If we

restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > we

> > > > better hope and pray

for good

solid intuition! Oh yes ... by the

> > > > way ... even those

who

restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not

> > lagna,

> > > > then chandra lagna

.... so on

and so forth!

> > > >

> > > > Point is ... serious

minded

& honest research is required to

> > come up

> > > > with principles and

then these

should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> > is

> > > > in the process of

doing it ...

although there is no formal

> > process

> > > > for it. We will be

taking this

matter seriously in the coming

> > years!

> > > >

> > > > Another point, Pt

Sanjay Rath

doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> > > > likes/expects his

student to

think thoroughly, to whet their

> > > > intelligence!

Nothing comes

easy ... Adversity breeds CHARACTER!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > New parameters

are

introduced to fit the event which is

> > already

> > > > known.

> > > > > On this list

some time

back one had an example of father's

> > death.

> > > > For

> > > > > that they used

7th from

9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> > why ? Why

> > > > > not 7th from

9th from

ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> > from

> > > > 9th

> > > > > from ravi. Then

one can

use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> > not

> > > > find

> > > > > it there , then

aurdh of

9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> > 12. It

> > > > > can get

confusing very

fast.This way one can cover all 12

> > rashis

> > > > and I

> > > > > am sure the

graha whose

dasha you are running at the time of

> > the

> > > > known

> > > > > event will be

there in

one of those.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure, not even

Maharishi

Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too must

> > > > have exprimented,

just like

Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> > with

> > > > idioms &

principles. And

as I said before, I am not sure, if

> > even

> > > > you have a

fool-proof

methodology of predicting events, without

> > > > beating around the

bush!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My point is

,test

priciples on charts you have and develop a

> > > > > consistent

principle

applicable to atleast 75 percent

> > cases.Then

> > > > make

> > > > > it a principle.

Do not

make rules as you go based on the chart

> > you

> > > > > have in front

of you.BTW

there are principles that have been

> > > > developed

> > > > > by peope like

KN Rao, BV

Raman, master those first. Trust me

> > they

> > > > work

> > > > > in majority of

cases

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Principles, should

especially

be tested on the basis of

> > probability,

> > > > like Narasimha said,

if the

likelihood of an event happening is

> > high

> > > > and if you give a

numerous

paramters explaining the event, these

> > > > principles are not

probabalistically valid, although they may be

> > > > statistacally valid!!

> > > >

> > > > Like explaining, the

chara

dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> > caused

> > > > birth of siblings!!

I consider

that an incomplete and a totally

> > > > inadequate research!

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Narayan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar

2005

15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> > <mtravass@t...>

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi

Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I applied

the same

logic in my chart and it shows something

> > else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time

when my car

was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> > > > running

> > > > > > Cn-Li

Narayana dasa

of D16, 4th from A4.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The second

time I

met with an accident was in Dec 1996 and I

> > was

> > > > > > running

Aq-Li

Narayana dasa of D16.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both the

accidents

took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of GMT).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cannot

apply any

of the principles that you stated in your

> > > > email

> > > > > > unless

there are

others, which can be applied, and you did

> > not

> > > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you

assist

here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 14, 1963

> > > > > >

Time: 14:03:00

> > > > > > Time

Zone:

5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >

Place: 73 E 55' 00", 15 N

18' 00"

> > > > >

>

Margao, Goa, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > Rao"

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

<pvr@c...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > -----

Original

Message -----

> > > > > > >

Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > > To:

 

> > > > > > > Sent:

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> > > > > > >

Subject:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident schematic)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear

Sanjay

Prabhakaran,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

D16 is the

chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come under

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

Here is

some jist for analysing all yogas

> > (combinations) in

> > > > D16

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> > > > taken in

> > > > > > D16.

> > > > > > > >

2.

6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> > > > respectively,

> > > > > > in D16 they

> > > > > > >

> will show for matters related to cars and

other

> > sukha.

> > > > > > > >

3.

Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> > > > > > >

> Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

Now for

Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> > above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Add

badhaka

sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> > problem

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My

birthdata

is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> > > > Machilipatnam,

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had

a

vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at 6:30 pm

> > > > (EST),

> > > > > > Wilmington, MA.

I was not hurt, but the car was "totalled".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As

per D-16

Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> > antardasa.

> > > > In my

> > > > > > D-16, Ta

is the

badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> > > > Mercury and

> > > > > > nodes. It

is the

12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> > > > vehicle.

> > > > > > It is also

the 8th

house from the 4th house, showing

> > problems in

> > > > > > sukha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those

who are

into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> > dasa

> > > > > >

interpretation can

test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> > > > seershodaya

> > > > > > rasi. So

it gives

its results in the first one-third. Its

> > lord

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is also in

a

seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > second

one-third.

The last one-third gives the results of

> > > > occupants

> > > > > > and

aspectors. There

are four candidates and they are Venus,

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > Ketu and

Mercury in

the order of longitudes. We divide the

> > last

> > > > one-

> > > > > > third of

the dasa

into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> > 4

> > > > planets

> > > > > > in this

order. The

result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> > is

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Oct

1996-Aug

1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies badhaka

> > > > sthana

> > > > > > and

aspects the 4th

house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> > period

> > > > in

> > > > > > question

resulted in

vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> > an

> > > > > > accident

in Dec

1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> > > > suffered

> > > > > > too. It

was hit by

people twice when it was parked in a

> > parking

> > > > lot.

> > > > > > I did not

see who

hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> > these

> > > > > > repeated

incidents,

I sold that "unlucky" car and bought

> > another

> > > > new

> > > > > > car in

Sept 1997.

All these are due to the sub-period giving

> > the

> > > > > > results of

Rahu's

aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> > > > antardasa was

> > > > > > also of

Ta, which

contains Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As

per

Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu antardasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my

annual

Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16 had Leo

> > > > rising,

> > > > > > lagna lord

Sun in 6h

(!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> > Ketu.

> > > > Saturn-

> > > > > > Saturn

antardasa as

per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> > running

> > > > from

> > > > > > Dec 3 to

Dec 6.

Accident was on Dec 5!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The

technique

of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May

Jupiter's

light shine on us,

> > > > > > >

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