Final Dispositor, final host, final say?

May 16, 2006

I apologise for some factual errors in my earlier post.

In the period between Jan 1, 1999 and Dec 31, 2008, a decade, 3654

days there will be 1162 days almost 30 % with no graha in its own

house, so no final dispositor of any sort.

In a total of 1505 days , almost 40% cases, there will be a single

dispositor. Sun 97 days, moon 91 days, Mercury 196 days. Jupiter 161

days, Venus 348 days, Rahu ( if considered Lord of acquarius) 182

days, Mars 440 days. Since in this decade Saturn is in between Aries

and Leo, it will not be a dispositor.

The point though remains that it is a large sample of charts almost

forty perecnt with single dispositors.

regards

rishi

I hope the calculations are correct this time around!!

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> RRji,

> The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a person

> is intensely focussed on a single colour, the shades

> of other colours fade away, any person born on this

> earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> have sufficient resources to accomplish their tasks.

>

> The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single finite

> dispositor basically implies that only one graha out

> of seven sits at home and should not be a very common

> phenomena....but...

> Consider this data, however, it has been taken out of

> the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999 to

> Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> days. The total data is of 3654 days.

>

> Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

>

> (in days)

>

> Sun Leo 310 199

> Moon Cn 306 148

> Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256 Mars

> Ar/Sc 741 471

> Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> Venus Ta/Li 676 434 Rahu

> Aq 544 229

> That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as 2208

> days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still have

> 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with single

> final dispositor.

> And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha bow,

> how about nakshatra dispositors?

> regards

>

> rishi

>

> --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:

>

> > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> >

> > While there is so much to ponder about in the wealth

> > of thoughts and

> > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some of

> > the modern thoughts

> > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > tugged at my mind

> > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as some

> > call these:

> > depositors.

> >

> > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and the

> > lord of that

> > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of the

> > planet. If lagnesh

> > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > venus becomes the

> > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic debates

> > have occurred

> > around the label and other labels, such as

> > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > representative, secondary image etc have been tossed

> > around. The

> > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as the

> > lagnesha's ally.

> > Depending on its strength and manifest nature, it

> > will support or not

> > the planet that it has invited into its house! There

> > we have another

> > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest in

> > venus' sign, so

> > venus must be the host! The concept is attractive,

> > but does it work

> > in practical astrology?

> >

> > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with the

> > new terminology

> > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up with,

> > if you consider

> > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> >

> > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the final

> > host for mercury.

> > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart are

> > in sagittarius and

> > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini and

> > mercury as we

> > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries, so

> > again the buck

> > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > dispositor.

> >

> > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth that

> > the same planet

> > becomes the final host, final dispositor for ALL

> > planets in the

> > chart? Surely, this must mean something and worthy

> > of note and

> > attention.

> >

> > I believe the concept was originally put forward by

> > Sri Manik Chand

> > Jain.

> >

> > Has anyone played around with it in charts and

> > observed what happened

> > in these peoples' lives? I am sure we can all have

> > opinions and

> > surmises about this situation, given our enormous

> > divine creativity,

> > but let us begin with sharing observations if any

> > exist out there.

> >

> > Is it good to have a single final host? Does it not

> > put all the eggs

> > in one basket? If the final planet happens to be

> > weak or malefic, is

> > it case closed for the individual?

> >

> > I hope and pray, NOT!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <please do not crosspost this thread in other forums

> > -- we do not

> > want to confuse all of them while we are merely

> > exploring!>

> >

>

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May 16, 2006

Rishi,

So if I understood you correctly, nearly 40% of charts have a single

final dispositor, right?

One would say that the faster moving planets (I am guessing) have a

better chance of being the final dispositors, than slower moving

ones, particularly during the years during which jupiter is between

aries and scorpio (larger segment without jupiter's sign in it) and

likewise when saturn is between pisces and sagittarius. Only during

those five and 2 years, saturn or jupiter can be the final

dispositors respectively. Although they will not be so for the entire

period, obviously.

I am still a bit unsure about there being 40% charts with single

final dispositor. Maybe I had been seeing a skewed sample because

they do not seem to be that common.

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> I apologise for some factual errors in my earlier post.

> In the period between Jan 1, 1999 and Dec 31, 2008, a decade, 3654

> days there will be 1162 days almost 30 % with no graha in its own

> house, so no final dispositor of any sort.

> In a total of 1505 days , almost 40% cases, there will be a single

> dispositor. Sun 97 days, moon 91 days, Mercury 196 days. Jupiter

161

> days, Venus 348 days, Rahu ( if considered Lord of acquarius) 182

> days, Mars 440 days. Since in this decade Saturn is in between

Aries

> and Leo, it will not be a dispositor.

> The point though remains that it is a large sample of charts almost

> forty perecnt with single dispositors.

> regards

> rishi

>

> I hope the calculations are correct this time around!!

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a person

> > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the shades

> > of other colours fade away, any person born on this

> > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > have sufficient resources to accomplish their tasks.

> >

> > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single finite

> > dispositor basically implies that only one graha out

> > of seven sits at home and should not be a very common

> > phenomena....but...

> > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out of

> > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999 to

> > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> >

> > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> >

> > (in days)

> >

> > Sun Leo 310 199

> > Moon Cn 306 148

> > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256 Mars

> > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > Venus Ta/Li 676 434 Rahu

> > Aq 544 229

> > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as 2208

> > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still have

> > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with single

> > final dispositor.

> > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha bow,

> > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

> > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > >

> > > While there is so much to ponder about in the wealth

> > > of thoughts and

> > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some of

> > > the modern thoughts

> > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > tugged at my mind

> > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as some

> > > call these:

> > > depositors.

> > >

> > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and the

> > > lord of that

> > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of the

> > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > venus becomes the

> > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic debates

> > > have occurred

> > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > representative, secondary image etc have been tossed

> > > around. The

> > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as the

> > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature, it

> > > will support or not

> > > the planet that it has invited into its house! There

> > > we have another

> > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest in

> > > venus' sign, so

> > > venus must be the host! The concept is attractive,

> > > but does it work

> > > in practical astrology?

> > >

> > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with the

> > > new terminology

> > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up with,

> > > if you consider

> > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > >

> > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the final

> > > host for mercury.

> > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart are

> > > in sagittarius and

> > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini and

> > > mercury as we

> > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries, so

> > > again the buck

> > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > dispositor.

> > >

> > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth that

> > > the same planet

> > > becomes the final host, final dispositor for ALL

> > > planets in the

> > > chart? Surely, this must mean something and worthy

> > > of note and

> > > attention.

> > >

> > > I believe the concept was originally put forward by

> > > Sri Manik Chand

> > > Jain.

> > >

> > > Has anyone played around with it in charts and

> > > observed what happened

> > > in these peoples' lives? I am sure we can all have

> > > opinions and

> > > surmises about this situation, given our enormous

> > > divine creativity,

> > > but let us begin with sharing observations if any

> > > exist out there.

> > >

> > > Is it good to have a single final host? Does it not

> > > put all the eggs

> > > in one basket? If the final planet happens to be

> > > weak or malefic, is

> > > it case closed for the individual?

> > >

> > > I hope and pray, NOT!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > <please do not crosspost this thread in other forums

> > > -- we do not

> > > want to confuse all of them while we are merely

> > > exploring!>

> > >

> >

> > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around

> >

>

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!

May 16, 2006

Rishi,

Your numbers sounded a bit high, compared to my anecdotal (not

recorded but general impression) impression about the frequency of

single final dispositors in the few charts I have seen on average.

So, I decided to take the scenic route. Here is what I did:

I started at 1 January 1999 and while displaying the final

dispositors in a window, stepped forward in increments of 1 day. This

is what I got:

1999

jan 7-9 ju

feb 16-25 ju

mar 1-11 ju

may 2-4 ju

june 14-15 me

june 18-20 me

july 13-14 mo

aug 9-11 mo

aug 16-21 su

Ju = 2+10+11+3 =26 DAYS

Me = 2+3 = 5 days

Mo = 2+3 = 5 days

su = 6 days

42/365 days had single final dispositor

= 11.5%

Now mind you, I might have missed a few instances where moon might

have just changed during the day and could have changed the

dispositor vote. But, I was kind of looking an eye for situations

where moon was the only deal-breaker. I was also keeping an eye on

situations where rahu and ketu might have different final dispositors

but luckily no situation was spotted where the rest of the 7 had the

same final dispositor and only rahu and ketu were the deal breakers.

So I am really perplexed why you are getting as high a percentage as

40% for planets with single dispositor. By the way this was a year

with jupiter in own sign. It is possible that in other years, the

percentage of days with single final dispositor may vary but not by 4

times I hope.

I don't know what else to say ...

RR

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> RRji,

> The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a person

> is intensely focussed on a single colour, the shades

> of other colours fade away, any person born on this

> earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> have sufficient resources to accomplish their tasks.

>

> The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single finite

> dispositor basically implies that only one graha out

> of seven sits at home and should not be a very common

> phenomena....but...

> Consider this data, however, it has been taken out of

> the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999 to

> Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> days. The total data is of 3654 days.

>

> Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

>

> (in days)

>

> Sun Leo 310 199

> Moon Cn 306 148

> Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256 Mars

> Ar/Sc 741 471

> Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> Venus Ta/Li 676 434 Rahu

> Aq 544 229

> That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as 2208

> days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still have

> 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with single

> final dispositor.

> And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha bow,

> how about nakshatra dispositors?

> regards

>

> rishi

>

> --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:

>

> > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> >

> > While there is so much to ponder about in the wealth

> > of thoughts and

> > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some of

> > the modern thoughts

> > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > tugged at my mind

> > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as some

> > call these:

> > depositors.

> >

> > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and the

> > lord of that

> > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of the

> > planet. If lagnesh

> > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > venus becomes the

> > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic debates

> > have occurred

> > around the label and other labels, such as

> > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > representative, secondary image etc have been tossed

> > around. The

> > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as the

> > lagnesha's ally.

> > Depending on its strength and manifest nature, it

> > will support or not

> > the planet that it has invited into its house! There

> > we have another

> > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest in

> > venus' sign, so

> > venus must be the host! The concept is attractive,

> > but does it work

> > in practical astrology?

> >

> > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with the

> > new terminology

> > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up with,

> > if you consider

> > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> >

> > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the final

> > host for mercury.

> > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart are

> > in sagittarius and

> > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini and

> > mercury as we

> > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries, so

> > again the buck

> > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > dispositor.

> >

> > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth that

> > the same planet

> > becomes the final host, final dispositor for ALL

> > planets in the

> > chart? Surely, this must mean something and worthy

> > of note and

> > attention.

> >

> > I believe the concept was originally put forward by

> > Sri Manik Chand

> > Jain.

> >

> > Has anyone played around with it in charts and

> > observed what happened

> > in these peoples' lives? I am sure we can all have

> > opinions and

> > surmises about this situation, given our enormous

> > divine creativity,

> > but let us begin with sharing observations if any

> > exist out there.

> >

> > Is it good to have a single final host? Does it not

> > put all the eggs

> > in one basket? If the final planet happens to be

> > weak or malefic, is

> > it case closed for the individual?

> >

> > I hope and pray, NOT!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <please do not crosspost this thread in other forums

> > -- we do not

> > want to confuse all of them while we are merely

> > exploring!>

> >

>

> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

!

May 16, 2006

Dear RR & Rishi,

Besides having one and only one planet in its own house, a chart

that has one final dispositer will not have any pair of planets that

exchange houses. This should bring the percentage down unless this

has already been taken into account.

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Rishi,

>

> So if I understood you correctly, nearly 40% of charts have a

single

> final dispositor, right?

>

> One would say that the faster moving planets (I am guessing) have

a

> better chance of being the final dispositors, than slower moving

> ones, particularly during the years during which jupiter is

between

> aries and scorpio (larger segment without jupiter's sign in it)

and

> likewise when saturn is between pisces and sagittarius. Only

during

> those five and 2 years, saturn or jupiter can be the final

> dispositors respectively. Although they will not be so for the

entire

> period, obviously.

>

> I am still a bit unsure about there being 40% charts with single

> final dispositor. Maybe I had been seeing a skewed sample because

> they do not seem to be that common.

>

> RR

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > I apologise for some factual errors in my earlier post.

> > In the period between Jan 1, 1999 and Dec 31, 2008, a decade,

3654

> > days there will be 1162 days almost 30 % with no graha in its

own

> > house, so no final dispositor of any sort.

> > In a total of 1505 days , almost 40% cases, there will be a

single

> > dispositor. Sun 97 days, moon 91 days, Mercury 196 days. Jupiter

> 161

> > days, Venus 348 days, Rahu ( if considered Lord of acquarius)

182

> > days, Mars 440 days. Since in this decade Saturn is in between

> Aries

> > and Leo, it will not be a dispositor.

> > The point though remains that it is a large sample of charts

almost

> > forty perecnt with single dispositors.

> > regards

> > rishi

> >

> > I hope the calculations are correct this time around!!

> >

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a person

> > > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the shades

> > > of other colours fade away, any person born on this

> > > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > > have sufficient resources to accomplish their tasks.

> > >

> > > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single finite

> > > dispositor basically implies that only one graha out

> > > of seven sits at home and should not be a very common

> > > phenomena....but...

> > > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out of

> > > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999 to

> > > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> > >

> > > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> > >

> > > (in days)

> > >

> > > Sun Leo 310 199

> > > Moon Cn 306 148

> > > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256 Mars

> > > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > > Venus Ta/Li 676 434 Rahu

> > > Aq 544 229

> > > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as 2208

> > > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still have

> > > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with single

> > > final dispositor.

> > > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha bow,

> > > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > > >

> > > > While there is so much to ponder about in the wealth

> > > > of thoughts and

> > > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some of

> > > > the modern thoughts

> > > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > > tugged at my mind

> > > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as some

> > > > call these:

> > > > depositors.

> > > >

> > > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and the

> > > > lord of that

> > > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of the

> > > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > > venus becomes the

> > > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic debates

> > > > have occurred

> > > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > > representative, secondary image etc have been tossed

> > > > around. The

> > > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as the

> > > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature, it

> > > > will support or not

> > > > the planet that it has invited into its house! There

> > > > we have another

> > > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest in

> > > > venus' sign, so

> > > > venus must be the host! The concept is attractive,

> > > > but does it work

> > > > in practical astrology?

> > > >

> > > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with the

> > > > new terminology

> > > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up with,

> > > > if you consider

> > > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > > >

> > > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the final

> > > > host for mercury.

> > > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart are

> > > > in sagittarius and

> > > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini and

> > > > mercury as we

> > > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries, so

> > > > again the buck

> > > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > > dispositor.

> > > >

> > > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth that

> > > > the same planet

> > > > becomes the final host, final dispositor for ALL

> > > > planets in the

> > > > chart? Surely, this must mean something and worthy

> > > > of note and

> > > > attention.

> > > >

> > > > I believe the concept was originally put forward by

> > > > Sri Manik Chand

> > > > Jain.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone played around with it in charts and

> > > > observed what happened

> > > > in these peoples' lives? I am sure we can all have

> > > > opinions and

> > > > surmises about this situation, given our enormous

> > > > divine creativity,

> > > > but let us begin with sharing observations if any

> > > > exist out there.

> > > >

> > > > Is it good to have a single final host? Does it not

> > > > put all the eggs

> > > > in one basket? If the final planet happens to be

> > > > weak or malefic, is

> > > > it case closed for the individual?

> > > >

> > > > I hope and pray, NOT!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > <please do not crosspost this thread in other forums

> > > > -- we do not

> > > > want to confuse all of them while we are merely

> > > > exploring!>

> > > >

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > >

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

May 17, 2006

hmmm... I see something!

Here is a chart with sign distribution.

What would be sun's final dispositor in this chart?

virgo rahu mars moon

dhanu mercury

makar sun venus jupiter

meena shani ketu

, "temp_spk4" <temp_spk4>

wrote:

>

> Dear RR & Rishi,

>

> Besides having one and only one planet in its own house, a chart

> that has one final dispositer will not have any pair of planets

that

> exchange houses. This should bring the percentage down unless this

> has already been taken into account.

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi,

> >

> > So if I understood you correctly, nearly 40% of charts have a

> single

> > final dispositor, right?

> >

> > One would say that the faster moving planets (I am guessing) have

> a

> > better chance of being the final dispositors, than slower moving

> > ones, particularly during the years during which jupiter is

> between

> > aries and scorpio (larger segment without jupiter's sign in it)

> and

> > likewise when saturn is between pisces and sagittarius. Only

> during

> > those five and 2 years, saturn or jupiter can be the final

> > dispositors respectively. Although they will not be so for the

> entire

> > period, obviously.

> >

> > I am still a bit unsure about there being 40% charts with single

> > final dispositor. Maybe I had been seeing a skewed sample because

> > they do not seem to be that common.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I apologise for some factual errors in my earlier post.

> > > In the period between Jan 1, 1999 and Dec 31, 2008, a decade,

> 3654

> > > days there will be 1162 days almost 30 % with no graha in its

> own

> > > house, so no final dispositor of any sort.

> > > In a total of 1505 days , almost 40% cases, there will be a

> single

> > > dispositor. Sun 97 days, moon 91 days, Mercury 196 days.

Jupiter

> > 161

> > > days, Venus 348 days, Rahu ( if considered Lord of acquarius)

> 182

> > > days, Mars 440 days. Since in this decade Saturn is in between

> > Aries

> > > and Leo, it will not be a dispositor.

> > > The point though remains that it is a large sample of charts

> almost

> > > forty perecnt with single dispositors.

> > > regards

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > I hope the calculations are correct this time around!!

> > >

> > > , rishi shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a person

> > > > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the shades

> > > > of other colours fade away, any person born on this

> > > > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > > > have sufficient resources to accomplish their tasks.

> > > >

> > > > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single finite

> > > > dispositor basically implies that only one graha out

> > > > of seven sits at home and should not be a very common

> > > > phenomena....but...

> > > > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out of

> > > > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999 to

> > > > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > > > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > > > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> > > >

> > > > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> > > >

> > > > (in days)

> > > >

> > > > Sun Leo 310 199

> > > > Moon Cn 306 148

> > > > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256 Mars

> > > > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > > > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > > > Venus Ta/Li 676 434 Rahu

> > > > Aq 544 229

> > > > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > > > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as 2208

> > > > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > > > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still have

> > > > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with single

> > > > final dispositor.

> > > > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha bow,

> > > > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > > > >

> > > > > While there is so much to ponder about in the wealth

> > > > > of thoughts and

> > > > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some of

> > > > > the modern thoughts

> > > > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > > > tugged at my mind

> > > > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as some

> > > > > call these:

> > > > > depositors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and the

> > > > > lord of that

> > > > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of the

> > > > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > > > venus becomes the

> > > > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic debates

> > > > > have occurred

> > > > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > > > representative, secondary image etc have been tossed

> > > > > around. The

> > > > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as the

> > > > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature, it

> > > > > will support or not

> > > > > the planet that it has invited into its house! There

> > > > > we have another

> > > > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest in

> > > > > venus' sign, so

> > > > > venus must be the host! The concept is attractive,

> > > > > but does it work

> > > > > in practical astrology?

> > > > >

> > > > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with the

> > > > > new terminology

> > > > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up with,

> > > > > if you consider

> > > > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the final

> > > > > host for mercury.

> > > > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart are

> > > > > in sagittarius and

> > > > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini and

> > > > > mercury as we

> > > > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries, so

> > > > > again the buck

> > > > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > > > dispositor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth that

> > > > > the same planet

> > > > > becomes the final host, final dispositor for ALL

> > > > > planets in the

> > > > > chart? Surely, this must mean something and worthy

> > > > > of note and

> > > > > attention.

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe the concept was originally put forward by

> > > > > Sri Manik Chand

> > > > > Jain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone played around with it in charts and

> > > > > observed what happened

> > > > > in these peoples' lives? I am sure we can all have

> > > > > opinions and

> > > > > surmises about this situation, given our enormous

> > > > > divine creativity,

> > > > > but let us begin with sharing observations if any

> > > > > exist out there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it good to have a single final host? Does it not

> > > > > put all the eggs

> > > > > in one basket? If the final planet happens to be

> > > > > weak or malefic, is

> > > > > it case closed for the individual?

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope and pray, NOT!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > <please do not crosspost this thread in other forums

> > > > > -- we do not

> > > > > want to confuse all of them while we are merely

> > > > > exploring!>

> > > > >

> > > >

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May 17, 2006

I think there is some confusion, lets take January

1999 as an example, with Jupiter in Pisces. Now if

there is no other graha in its own rashi then all

finally go and get finally deposited in jupiter.

I get dates from Jan 13 to Jan 29 as dates in which

Jupiter is in Pisces, Saturn in aries, rahu/ke in

cn/cp. Mars in Libra, Sun/Venus/Mercury in

sg/capricorn/aquarius/pisces.

I take this as a period in which sun gets deposited in

saturn (capricorn), Sa in Mars (aries), Mars in

venus(libra)...all finally getting deposited in

Jupiter in Pisces. The final dispositor for all grahas

for a period of 17 days in the month. All this with

Lahiri ayanamsha.

With Raman Ayanamsha, Ju gets in pisces on jan 7 so

thats ok as far as the dates Jan 7- Jan 9 you say, but

I suppose we may be using different definitions of

final dispositors.

In my way of defining it, I treat it as a chart where

a single graha occupies its own house. And that way I

get 17 days in january 1999 with a single finite

dispositor.

regards

rishi

--- crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:

> Rishi,

>

> Your numbers sounded a bit high, compared to my

> anecdotal (not

> recorded but general impression) impression about

> the frequency of

> single final dispositors in the few charts I have

> seen on average.

> So, I decided to take the scenic route. Here is what

> I did:

> I started at 1 January 1999 and while displaying the

> final

> dispositors in a window, stepped forward in

> increments of 1 day. This

> is what I got:

>

> 1999

> jan 7-9 ju

> feb 16-25 ju

> mar 1-11 ju

> may 2-4 ju

> june 14-15 me

> june 18-20 me

> july 13-14 mo

> aug 9-11 mo

> aug 16-21 su

>

> Ju = 2+10+11+3 =26 DAYS

> Me = 2+3 = 5 days

> Mo = 2+3 = 5 days

> su = 6 days

>

> 42/365 days had single final dispositor

> = 11.5%

>

> Now mind you, I might have missed a few instances

> where moon might

> have just changed during the day and could have

> changed the

> dispositor vote. But, I was kind of looking an eye

> for situations

> where moon was the only deal-breaker. I was also

> keeping an eye on

> situations where rahu and ketu might have different

> final dispositors

> but luckily no situation was spotted where the rest

> of the 7 had the

> same final dispositor and only rahu and ketu were

> the deal breakers.

>

> So I am really perplexed why you are getting as high

> a percentage as

> 40% for planets with single dispositor. By the way

> this was a year

> with jupiter in own sign. It is possible that in

> other years, the

> percentage of days with single final dispositor may

> vary but not by 4

> times I hope.

>

> I don't know what else to say ...

>

> RR

>

> , rishi

> shukla

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a

> person

> > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the

> shades

> > of other colours fade away, any person born on

> this

> > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > have sufficient resources to accomplish their

> tasks.

> >

> > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single

> finite

> > dispositor basically implies that only one graha

> out

> > of seven sits at home and should not be a very

> common

> > phenomena....but...

> > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out

> of

> > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999

> to

> > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> >

> > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

>

> >

>

> > (in days)

> >

> > Sun Leo 310 199

> > Moon Cn 306 148

> > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256

> Mars

> > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > Venus Ta/Li 676 434

> Rahu

> > Aq 544 229

> > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as

> 2208

> > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still

> have

> > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with

> single

> > final dispositor.

> > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha

> bow,

> > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

> > --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > >

> > > While there is so much to ponder about in the

> wealth

> > > of thoughts and

> > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some

> of

> > > the modern thoughts

> > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > tugged at my mind

> > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as

> some

> > > call these:

> > > depositors.

> > >

> > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and

> the

> > > lord of that

> > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of

> the

> > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > venus becomes the

> > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic

> debates

> > > have occurred

> > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > representative, secondary image etc have been

> tossed

> > > around. The

> > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as

> the

> > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature,

> it

> > > will support or not

> > > the planet that it has invited into its house!

> There

> > > we have another

> > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest

> in

> > > venus' sign, so

> > > venus must be the host! The concept is

> attractive,

> > > but does it work

> > > in practical astrology?

> > >

> > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with

> the

> > > new terminology

> > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up

> with,

> > > if you consider

> > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > >

> > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the

> final

> > > host for mercury.

> > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart

> are

> > > in sagittarius and

> > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini

> and

> > > mercury as we

> > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries,

> so

> > > again the buck

> > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > dispositor.

> > >

> > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth

> that

>

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May 17, 2006

An exchange of Jupiter in makara with shani in meena,

Sun in makara does not therefore have a final single dispositor, I

suppose.

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> hmmm... I see something!

> Here is a chart with sign distribution.

> What would be sun's final dispositor in this chart?

>

> virgo rahu mars moon

> dhanu mercury

> makar sun venus jupiter

> meena shani ketu

>

> , "temp_spk4" <temp_spk4@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR & Rishi,

> >

> > Besides having one and only one planet in its own house, a chart

> > that has one final dispositer will not have any pair of planets

> that

> > exchange houses. This should bring the percentage down unless

this

> > has already been taken into account.

> >

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Rishi,

> > >

> > > So if I understood you correctly, nearly 40% of charts have a

> > single

> > > final dispositor, right?

> > >

> > > One would say that the faster moving planets (I am guessing)

have

> > a

> > > better chance of being the final dispositors, than slower

moving

> > > ones, particularly during the years during which jupiter is

> > between

> > > aries and scorpio (larger segment without jupiter's sign in

it)

> > and

> > > likewise when saturn is between pisces and sagittarius. Only

> > during

> > > those five and 2 years, saturn or jupiter can be the final

> > > dispositors respectively. Although they will not be so for the

> > entire

> > > period, obviously.

> > >

> > > I am still a bit unsure about there being 40% charts with

single

> > > final dispositor. Maybe I had been seeing a skewed sample

because

> > > they do not seem to be that common.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I apologise for some factual errors in my earlier post.

> > > > In the period between Jan 1, 1999 and Dec 31, 2008, a

decade,

> > 3654

> > > > days there will be 1162 days almost 30 % with no graha in

its

> > own

> > > > house, so no final dispositor of any sort.

> > > > In a total of 1505 days , almost 40% cases, there will be a

> > single

> > > > dispositor. Sun 97 days, moon 91 days, Mercury 196 days.

> Jupiter

> > > 161

> > > > days, Venus 348 days, Rahu ( if considered Lord of

acquarius)

> > 182

> > > > days, Mars 440 days. Since in this decade Saturn is in

between

> > > Aries

> > > > and Leo, it will not be a dispositor.

> > > > The point though remains that it is a large sample of charts

> > almost

> > > > forty perecnt with single dispositors.

> > > > regards

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > I hope the calculations are correct this time around!!

> > > >

> > > > , rishi shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a person

> > > > > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the shades

> > > > > of other colours fade away, any person born on this

> > > > > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > > > > have sufficient resources to accomplish their tasks.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single finite

> > > > > dispositor basically implies that only one graha out

> > > > > of seven sits at home and should not be a very common

> > > > > phenomena....but...

> > > > > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out of

> > > > > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999 to

> > > > > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > > > > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > > > > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> > > > >

> > > > > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> > > > >

> > > > > (in days)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun Leo 310 199

> > > > > Moon Cn 306 148

> > > > > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256 Mars

> > > > > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > > > > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > > > > Venus Ta/Li 676 434 Rahu

> > > > > Aq 544 229

> > > > > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > > > > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as 2208

> > > > > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > > > > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still have

> > > > > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with single

> > > > > final dispositor.

> > > > > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha bow,

> > > > > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While there is so much to ponder about in the wealth

> > > > > > of thoughts and

> > > > > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some of

> > > > > > the modern thoughts

> > > > > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > > > > tugged at my mind

> > > > > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as some

> > > > > > call these:

> > > > > > depositors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and the

> > > > > > lord of that

> > > > > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of the

> > > > > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > > > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > > > > venus becomes the

> > > > > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic debates

> > > > > > have occurred

> > > > > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > > > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > > > > representative, secondary image etc have been tossed

> > > > > > around. The

> > > > > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as the

> > > > > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > > > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature, it

> > > > > > will support or not

> > > > > > the planet that it has invited into its house! There

> > > > > > we have another

> > > > > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest in

> > > > > > venus' sign, so

> > > > > > venus must be the host! The concept is attractive,

> > > > > > but does it work

> > > > > > in practical astrology?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with the

> > > > > > new terminology

> > > > > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up with,

> > > > > > if you consider

> > > > > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > > > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the final

> > > > > > host for mercury.

> > > > > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart are

> > > > > > in sagittarius and

> > > > > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini and

> > > > > > mercury as we

> > > > > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries, so

> > > > > > again the buck

> > > > > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > > > > dispositor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth that

> > > > > > the same planet

> > > > > > becomes the final host, final dispositor for ALL

> > > > > > planets in the

> > > > > > chart? Surely, this must mean something and worthy

> > > > > > of note and

> > > > > > attention.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I believe the concept was originally put forward by

> > > > > > Sri Manik Chand

> > > > > > Jain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has anyone played around with it in charts and

> > > > > > observed what happened

> > > > > > in these peoples' lives? I am sure we can all have

> > > > > > opinions and

> > > > > > surmises about this situation, given our enormous

> > > > > > divine creativity,

> > > > > > but let us begin with sharing observations if any

> > > > > > exist out there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it good to have a single final host? Does it not

> > > > > > put all the eggs

> > > > > > in one basket? If the final planet happens to be

> > > > > > weak or malefic, is

> > > > > > it case closed for the individual?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope and pray, NOT!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <please do not crosspost this thread in other forums

> > > > > > -- we do not

> > > > > > want to confuse all of them while we are merely

> > > > > > exploring!>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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May 17, 2006

Rishi,

Just because jupiter was in its rashi would not be enough to call it

the final dispositor for all planets in that chart. In fact with

lahiri ayanamsha, I am not getting a single day when there was one

final dispositor for the chart, even taking just the planet in its

sign criterion.

Try and replicate my method and by all means use your somewhat

restrictive criterion, stepping through the charts one day at a time

during January 1999.

RR

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> I think there is some confusion, lets take January

> 1999 as an example, with Jupiter in Pisces. Now if

> there is no other graha in its own rashi then all

> finally go and get finally deposited in jupiter.

> I get dates from Jan 13 to Jan 29 as dates in which

> Jupiter is in Pisces, Saturn in aries, rahu/ke in

> cn/cp. Mars in Libra, Sun/Venus/Mercury in

> sg/capricorn/aquarius/pisces.

> I take this as a period in which sun gets deposited in

> saturn (capricorn), Sa in Mars (aries), Mars in

> venus(libra)...all finally getting deposited in

> Jupiter in Pisces. The final dispositor for all grahas

> for a period of 17 days in the month. All this with

> Lahiri ayanamsha.

> With Raman Ayanamsha, Ju gets in pisces on jan 7 so

> thats ok as far as the dates Jan 7- Jan 9 you say, but

> I suppose we may be using different definitions of

> final dispositors.

> In my way of defining it, I treat it as a chart where

> a single graha occupies its own house. And that way I

> get 17 days in january 1999 with a single finite

> dispositor.

> regards

> rishi

>

> --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:

>

> > Rishi,

> >

> > Your numbers sounded a bit high, compared to my

> > anecdotal (not

> > recorded but general impression) impression about

> > the frequency of

> > single final dispositors in the few charts I have

> > seen on average.

> > So, I decided to take the scenic route. Here is what

> > I did:

> > I started at 1 January 1999 and while displaying the

> > final

> > dispositors in a window, stepped forward in

> > increments of 1 day. This

> > is what I got:

> >

> > 1999

> > jan 7-9 ju

> > feb 16-25 ju

> > mar 1-11 ju

> > may 2-4 ju

> > june 14-15 me

> > june 18-20 me

> > july 13-14 mo

> > aug 9-11 mo

> > aug 16-21 su

> >

> > Ju = 2+10+11+3 =26 DAYS

> > Me = 2+3 = 5 days

> > Mo = 2+3 = 5 days

> > su = 6 days

> >

> > 42/365 days had single final dispositor

> > = 11.5%

> >

> > Now mind you, I might have missed a few instances

> > where moon might

> > have just changed during the day and could have

> > changed the

> > dispositor vote. But, I was kind of looking an eye

> > for situations

> > where moon was the only deal-breaker. I was also

> > keeping an eye on

> > situations where rahu and ketu might have different

> > final dispositors

> > but luckily no situation was spotted where the rest

> > of the 7 had the

> > same final dispositor and only rahu and ketu were

> > the deal breakers.

> >

> > So I am really perplexed why you are getting as high

> > a percentage as

> > 40% for planets with single dispositor. By the way

> > this was a year

> > with jupiter in own sign. It is possible that in

> > other years, the

> > percentage of days with single final dispositor may

> > vary but not by 4

> > times I hope.

> >

> > I don't know what else to say ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , rishi

> > shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a

> > person

> > > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the

> > shades

> > > of other colours fade away, any person born on

> > this

> > > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > > have sufficient resources to accomplish their

> > tasks.

> > >

> > > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single

> > finite

> > > dispositor basically implies that only one graha

> > out

> > > of seven sits at home and should not be a very

> > common

> > > phenomena....but...

> > > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out

> > of

> > > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999

> > to

> > > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> > >

> > > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (in days)

> > >

> > > Sun Leo 310 199

> > > Moon Cn 306 148

> > > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256

> > Mars

> > > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > > Venus Ta/Li 676 434

> > Rahu

> > > Aq 544 229

> > > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as

> > 2208

> > > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still

> > have

> > > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with

> > single

> > > final dispositor.

> > > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha

> > bow,

> > > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > > >

> > > > While there is so much to ponder about in the

> > wealth

> > > > of thoughts and

> > > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some

> > of

> > > > the modern thoughts

> > > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > > tugged at my mind

> > > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as

> > some

> > > > call these:

> > > > depositors.

> > > >

> > > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and

> > the

> > > > lord of that

> > > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of

> > the

> > > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > > venus becomes the

> > > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic

> > debates

> > > > have occurred

> > > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > > representative, secondary image etc have been

> > tossed

> > > > around. The

> > > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as

> > the

> > > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature,

> > it

> > > > will support or not

> > > > the planet that it has invited into its house!

> > There

> > > > we have another

> > > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest

> > in

> > > > venus' sign, so

> > > > venus must be the host! The concept is

> > attractive,

> > > > but does it work

> > > > in practical astrology?

> > > >

> > > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with

> > the

> > > > new terminology

> > > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up

> > with,

> > > > if you consider

> > > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > > >

> > > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the

> > final

> > > > host for mercury.

> > > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart

> > are

> > > > in sagittarius and

> > > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini

> > and

> > > > mercury as we

> > > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries,

> > so

> > > > again the buck

> > > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > > dispositor.

> > > >

> > > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth

> > that

> >

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RRji,

Hmm now I see the elementary calculation mistake which I was doing,

I used a searchable 10 year ephemeris and put the query condition

for example:

Jupiter in 12 ( pisces), sun not in 5, moon not in 4, mars not in 1

and 8 and so on .

So while I get a situation where Ju is in 12 for 17 days in january

say, there is no other graha either in Pisces or in Sag so that Ju

does not get involved as a dispositor at all.That changes the entire

calculation which I did mechanically, for again if lets say Me is in

Sag between Jan 13 to Jan 21, there is no other graha in either

virgo or gemini for me to get activated as a dispositor.

So your figures are right, it would indeed be around 10 % or less ,

I hijacked the thread with my calculations error.

The point remains how does a single dispositor affect a chart

regards

rishi

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Rishi,

>

> Just because jupiter was in its rashi would not be enough to call

it

> the final dispositor for all planets in that chart. In fact with

> lahiri ayanamsha, I am not getting a single day when there was one

> final dispositor for the chart, even taking just the planet in its

> sign criterion.

>

> Try and replicate my method and by all means use your somewhat

> restrictive criterion, stepping through the charts one day at a

time

> during January 1999.

>

> RR

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > I think there is some confusion, lets take January

> > 1999 as an example, with Jupiter in Pisces. Now if

> > there is no other graha in its own rashi then all

> > finally go and get finally deposited in jupiter.

> > I get dates from Jan 13 to Jan 29 as dates in which

> > Jupiter is in Pisces, Saturn in aries, rahu/ke in

> > cn/cp. Mars in Libra, Sun/Venus/Mercury in

> > sg/capricorn/aquarius/pisces.

> > I take this as a period in which sun gets deposited in

> > saturn (capricorn), Sa in Mars (aries), Mars in

> > venus(libra)...all finally getting deposited in

> > Jupiter in Pisces. The final dispositor for all grahas

> > for a period of 17 days in the month. All this with

> > Lahiri ayanamsha.

> > With Raman Ayanamsha, Ju gets in pisces on jan 7 so

> > thats ok as far as the dates Jan 7- Jan 9 you say, but

> > I suppose we may be using different definitions of

> > final dispositors.

> > In my way of defining it, I treat it as a chart where

> > a single graha occupies its own house. And that way I

> > get 17 days in january 1999 with a single finite

> > dispositor.

> > regards

> > rishi

> >

> > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Rishi,

> > >

> > > Your numbers sounded a bit high, compared to my

> > > anecdotal (not

> > > recorded but general impression) impression about

> > > the frequency of

> > > single final dispositors in the few charts I have

> > > seen on average.

> > > So, I decided to take the scenic route. Here is what

> > > I did:

> > > I started at 1 January 1999 and while displaying the

> > > final

> > > dispositors in a window, stepped forward in

> > > increments of 1 day. This

> > > is what I got:

> > >

> > > 1999

> > > jan 7-9 ju

> > > feb 16-25 ju

> > > mar 1-11 ju

> > > may 2-4 ju

> > > june 14-15 me

> > > june 18-20 me

> > > july 13-14 mo

> > > aug 9-11 mo

> > > aug 16-21 su

> > >

> > > Ju = 2+10+11+3 =26 DAYS

> > > Me = 2+3 = 5 days

> > > Mo = 2+3 = 5 days

> > > su = 6 days

> > >

> > > 42/365 days had single final dispositor

> > > = 11.5%

> > >

> > > Now mind you, I might have missed a few instances

> > > where moon might

> > > have just changed during the day and could have

> > > changed the

> > > dispositor vote. But, I was kind of looking an eye

> > > for situations

> > > where moon was the only deal-breaker. I was also

> > > keeping an eye on

> > > situations where rahu and ketu might have different

> > > final dispositors

> > > but luckily no situation was spotted where the rest

> > > of the 7 had the

> > > same final dispositor and only rahu and ketu were

> > > the deal breakers.

> > >

> > > So I am really perplexed why you are getting as high

> > > a percentage as

> > > 40% for planets with single dispositor. By the way

> > > this was a year

> > > with jupiter in own sign. It is possible that in

> > > other years, the

> > > percentage of days with single final dispositor may

> > > vary but not by 4

> > > times I hope.

> > >

> > > I don't know what else to say ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , rishi

> > > shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a

> > > person

> > > > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the

> > > shades

> > > > of other colours fade away, any person born on

> > > this

> > > > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > > > have sufficient resources to accomplish their

> > > tasks.

> > > >

> > > > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single

> > > finite

> > > > dispositor basically implies that only one graha

> > > out

> > > > of seven sits at home and should not be a very

> > > common

> > > > phenomena....but...

> > > > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out

> > > of

> > > > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999

> > > to

> > > > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > > > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > > > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> > > >

> > > > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (in days)

> > > >

> > > > Sun Leo 310 199

> > > > Moon Cn 306 148

> > > > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256

> > > Mars

> > > > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > > > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > > > Venus Ta/Li 676 434

> > > Rahu

> > > > Aq 544 229

> > > > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > > > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as

> > > 2208

> > > > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > > > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still

> > > have

> > > > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with

> > > single

> > > > final dispositor.

> > > > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha

> > > bow,

> > > > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > > > >

> > > > > While there is so much to ponder about in the

> > > wealth

> > > > > of thoughts and

> > > > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some

> > > of

> > > > > the modern thoughts

> > > > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > > > tugged at my mind

> > > > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as

> > > some

> > > > > call these:

> > > > > depositors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and

> > > the

> > > > > lord of that

> > > > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of

> > > the

> > > > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > > > venus becomes the

> > > > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic

> > > debates

> > > > > have occurred

> > > > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > > > representative, secondary image etc have been

> > > tossed

> > > > > around. The

> > > > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as

> > > the

> > > > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature,

> > > it

> > > > > will support or not

> > > > > the planet that it has invited into its house!

> > > There

> > > > > we have another

> > > > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest

> > > in

> > > > > venus' sign, so

> > > > > venus must be the host! The concept is

> > > attractive,

> > > > > but does it work

> > > > > in practical astrology?

> > > > >

> > > > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with

> > > the

> > > > > new terminology

> > > > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up

> > > with,

> > > > > if you consider

> > > > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the

> > > final

> > > > > host for mercury.

> > > > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart

> > > are

> > > > > in sagittarius and

> > > > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini

> > > and

> > > > > mercury as we

> > > > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries,

> > > so

> > > > > again the buck

> > > > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > > > dispositor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth

> > > that

> > >

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Perhaps western astrology can help. The concept of final dispositor

comes originally from their craft. And, as I mentioned earlier, final

dispositor does not have to be in its sign. So the percentage will

climb a bit higher.

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> RRji,

>

> Hmm now I see the elementary calculation mistake which I was doing,

> I used a searchable 10 year ephemeris and put the query condition

> for example:

> Jupiter in 12 ( pisces), sun not in 5, moon not in 4, mars not in 1

> and 8 and so on .

>

> So while I get a situation where Ju is in 12 for 17 days in january

> say, there is no other graha either in Pisces or in Sag so that Ju

> does not get involved as a dispositor at all.That changes the

entire

> calculation which I did mechanically, for again if lets say Me is

in

> Sag between Jan 13 to Jan 21, there is no other graha in either

> virgo or gemini for me to get activated as a dispositor.

> So your figures are right, it would indeed be around 10 % or less ,

> I hijacked the thread with my calculations error.

> The point remains how does a single dispositor affect a chart

> regards

> rishi

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi,

> >

> > Just because jupiter was in its rashi would not be enough to call

> it

> > the final dispositor for all planets in that chart. In fact with

> > lahiri ayanamsha, I am not getting a single day when there was

one

> > final dispositor for the chart, even taking just the planet in

its

> > sign criterion.

> >

> > Try and replicate my method and by all means use your somewhat

> > restrictive criterion, stepping through the charts one day at a

> time

> > during January 1999.

> >

> > RR

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I think there is some confusion, lets take January

> > > 1999 as an example, with Jupiter in Pisces. Now if

> > > there is no other graha in its own rashi then all

> > > finally go and get finally deposited in jupiter.

> > > I get dates from Jan 13 to Jan 29 as dates in which

> > > Jupiter is in Pisces, Saturn in aries, rahu/ke in

> > > cn/cp. Mars in Libra, Sun/Venus/Mercury in

> > > sg/capricorn/aquarius/pisces.

> > > I take this as a period in which sun gets deposited in

> > > saturn (capricorn), Sa in Mars (aries), Mars in

> > > venus(libra)...all finally getting deposited in

> > > Jupiter in Pisces. The final dispositor for all grahas

> > > for a period of 17 days in the month. All this with

> > > Lahiri ayanamsha.

> > > With Raman Ayanamsha, Ju gets in pisces on jan 7 so

> > > thats ok as far as the dates Jan 7- Jan 9 you say, but

> > > I suppose we may be using different definitions of

> > > final dispositors.

> > > In my way of defining it, I treat it as a chart where

> > > a single graha occupies its own house. And that way I

> > > get 17 days in january 1999 with a single finite

> > > dispositor.

> > > regards

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Rishi,

> > > >

> > > > Your numbers sounded a bit high, compared to my

> > > > anecdotal (not

> > > > recorded but general impression) impression about

> > > > the frequency of

> > > > single final dispositors in the few charts I have

> > > > seen on average.

> > > > So, I decided to take the scenic route. Here is what

> > > > I did:

> > > > I started at 1 January 1999 and while displaying the

> > > > final

> > > > dispositors in a window, stepped forward in

> > > > increments of 1 day. This

> > > > is what I got:

> > > >

> > > > 1999

> > > > jan 7-9 ju

> > > > feb 16-25 ju

> > > > mar 1-11 ju

> > > > may 2-4 ju

> > > > june 14-15 me

> > > > june 18-20 me

> > > > july 13-14 mo

> > > > aug 9-11 mo

> > > > aug 16-21 su

> > > >

> > > > Ju = 2+10+11+3 =26 DAYS

> > > > Me = 2+3 = 5 days

> > > > Mo = 2+3 = 5 days

> > > > su = 6 days

> > > >

> > > > 42/365 days had single final dispositor

> > > > = 11.5%

> > > >

> > > > Now mind you, I might have missed a few instances

> > > > where moon might

> > > > have just changed during the day and could have

> > > > changed the

> > > > dispositor vote. But, I was kind of looking an eye

> > > > for situations

> > > > where moon was the only deal-breaker. I was also

> > > > keeping an eye on

> > > > situations where rahu and ketu might have different

> > > > final dispositors

> > > > but luckily no situation was spotted where the rest

> > > > of the 7 had the

> > > > same final dispositor and only rahu and ketu were

> > > > the deal breakers.

> > > >

> > > > So I am really perplexed why you are getting as high

> > > > a percentage as

> > > > 40% for planets with single dispositor. By the way

> > > > this was a year

> > > > with jupiter in own sign. It is possible that in

> > > > other years, the

> > > > percentage of days with single final dispositor may

> > > > vary but not by 4

> > > > times I hope.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know what else to say ...

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , rishi

> > > > shukla

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > The spectrum of light has seven colours, if a

> > > > person

> > > > > is intensely focussed on a single colour, the

> > > > shades

> > > > > of other colours fade away, any person born on

> > > > this

> > > > > earth needs to have a sprinkling of all of them to

> > > > > have sufficient resources to accomplish their

> > > > tasks.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dispositor concept is intriguing, a single

> > > > finite

> > > > > dispositor basically implies that only one graha

> > > > out

> > > > > of seven sits at home and should not be a very

> > > > common

> > > > > phenomena....but...

> > > > > Consider this data, however, it has been taken out

> > > > of

> > > > > the ephemeris for a decade beginning Jan 1, 1999

> > > > to

> > > > > Dec 31, 2008. A sample in which Saturn is between

> > > > > Aries and Leo and is not dispositor in any of the

> > > > > days. The total data is of 3654 days.

> > > > >

> > > > > Graha rashi Total days Final dispositor

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (in days)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun Leo 310 199

> > > > > Moon Cn 306 148

> > > > > Jupiter Sg/Pi 516 256

> > > > Mars

> > > > > Ar/Sc 741 471

> > > > > Mercury Ge/ vi 645 271

> > > > > Venus Ta/Li 676 434

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > Aq 544 229

> > > > > That is if we take Ra as the Lord of Aquarius and

> > > > > treat it as a dispositor too, we have as many as

> > > > 2208

> > > > > days out of 3654 when a chart is likely to have a

> > > > > single dispositor. Leaving Rahu aside we still

> > > > have

> > > > > 1979 days out of 3654 almost 54 % charts with

> > > > single

> > > > > final dispositor.

> > > > > And then we have so many arrows in the jyotisha

> > > > bow,

> > > > > how about nakshatra dispositors?

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear J_R jyotish clubmembers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While there is so much to ponder about in the

> > > > wealth

> > > > > > of thoughts and

> > > > > > gemstones (ideas) that exist in classics, some

> > > > of

> > > > > > the modern thoughts

> > > > > > have been quite intriguing too and one such has

> > > > > > tugged at my mind

> > > > > > too. This is the concept of dispositors or as

> > > > some

> > > > > > call these:

> > > > > > depositors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Essentially, a planet is placed in a rashi and

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord of that

> > > > > > rashi/sign then becomes the representative of

> > > > the

> > > > > > planet. If lagnesh

> > > > > > saturn is placed in the 4th (e.g., taurus) then

> > > > > > venus becomes the

> > > > > > dispositor of lagnesh and lagna. Semantic

> > > > debates

> > > > > > have occurred

> > > > > > around the label and other labels, such as

> > > > > > 'surrogate', alternate,

> > > > > > representative, secondary image etc have been

> > > > tossed

> > > > > > around. The

> > > > > > venus in this instance will, one posits, act as

> > > > the

> > > > > > lagnesha's ally.

> > > > > > Depending on its strength and manifest nature,

> > > > it

> > > > > > will support or not

> > > > > > the planet that it has invited into its house!

> > > > There

> > > > > > we have another

> > > > > > term! Lagnesha in this case, saturn, is a guest

> > > > in

> > > > > > venus' sign, so

> > > > > > venus must be the host! The concept is

> > > > attractive,

> > > > > > but does it work

> > > > > > in practical astrology?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Final dispositor or final host (if you go with

> > > > the

> > > > > > new terminology

> > > > > > just hatched -- is the planet that you end up

> > > > with,

> > > > > > if you consider

> > > > > > the host's host and that host's host and so on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us say lagnesh mercury is in scorpio

> > > > > > and mars is in aries. Then mars becomes the

> > > > final

> > > > > > host for mercury.

> > > > > > Say the venus, rahu and moon in the same chart

> > > > are

> > > > > > in sagittarius and

> > > > > > jupiter is in capricorn and saturn is in gemini

> > > > and

> > > > > > mercury as we

> > > > > > already know is in scorpio and mars is in aries,

> > > > so

> > > > > > again the buck

> > > > > > stops in aries and mars becomes the final

> > > > > > dispositor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, what if the chart is so arranged at birth

> > > > that

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

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> > >

> >

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