RE:-RE:-RE(Visti)

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Dear Visti,

 

Thank you for this explanation. As usual your mails are a huge help to step foreword in my learning.

I have been thinking about reincarnation and the manifestation of Karma for

quite some time now and the relation between Paramatma, Jeevatma and the

physical manifestation in form of the body. What you describe is a very

significant part of this process and it reveals the learning of a soul on

earth. If you don't mind I would like to explain it with my own words to see if

I have the right understanding.

The Soul/Paramatma is the all conscious and all knowing entity on the journey

through time. This Soul is not good, or bad and has no desire other than to

have this Earth experience. The Soul is nothing but energy and “MEMORY” The

memory is what this Soul has observed on it's journey through time. Everything

has been stored. We can understand the Soul as the future and the past of all

our life’s, as it is forever.

At rebirth this Paramatma creates separate entities that melt together into our human incarnation.

The Jeevatma is created by the Soul to allow itself to participate in this

worldly experience. It is the Atmakaraka and represents the energy that drives

the engine. This etheric body hosts all our emotions, senses, feelings,

abilities, the driving force of all organs, in short our energetic/electrical

energy. This is also the home of the human ego, mind, memory and all our

abilities. All planets express in their placement the desire of the Paramatma

in this earth experience. Through this movement and expression of energy we can

feel the beauty of being alive. This is why the study of the Ak and all related

yogas in respect to Karakamsh is so important, as they hold the key for all

manifestation.

The Body/Karma is the manifestation of all those energies and is seen from the

Lagna. Here all the memories and energies of the Jeevatma (planets in houses

and signs) form the physical manifestation to allow the participation in this

worldly game.

 

If we study a chart from the Sun we see the desire of the Soul/Paramatma. Yogas

involving the Sun or having aspect from the Sun/Soul are blessed by light and

will work more intense than others. (Raja yogas and so on have much greater

power if aspected by the Sun, or the reflection of Sun's light, the bright

Moon) Parashara has given plenty of Sun yogas for reference.

Visti: If you read the results of planets in 2nd from the Sun they tend to be

very inauspicious compared to the 12th from the Sun. This is because the sun is

giving you those blessings based on the planets in the 12th from Sun.

Similarly that karma you must do is not seen from the 10th from Sun, but from

the 4th from Sun. The Dharma you must uphold and protect is seen from the 5th

from Sun instead of the 9th from Sun.

It is the Memory of the Paramatma/Sun that has formed this lifetime to continue

the process of learning.

 

Therefore all Yogas involving Karakamsh and Ak are indications of lesson and

purpose and not so much reflecting the actual physical manifestation. To study

the chart from Jeevatma/AK/Karakamsh will show the lessons to be learned.

Reading the yogas from Karakamsh descibe more the things we attract and the

talents.

 

The Moon chart Maana/Mind describes the link between the the Jeevatma and

physical body. It is the part that we say lives in the brain but also in the

etheric body of the Jeevatma. The Moon has, if strong and well trained, the

posibility to leave the physical side and extend our understanding of the

spiritual side. Yogas involving the moon show the joy or suffering (emotions)

of our existance. It is our understanding beyond the physical experience and

has no boundaries.

 

The Lagna then gives us what we can see. It is that part we can touch with our

senses. A strong body or a weak body is a mere manifestation of those energies

at work in the Jeevatma. The memory from previous experiences has formed this

manifestation and all the Karma we will experience. This is why for our

understanding in respect to spouse, health, and work, the Rasi chart is so

significant.

 

I would be happy if you could correct my view and add the missing parts to my understanding.

 

Best wishes

Marcus

 

The relationship between Lagnamsa and Karakamsa indicates the desire the

jeevatma (ak) has for this birth (lagna).

The Moon is the Mana, and this is usually determined by society. I.e. are you

living upto the standards and expectations of society, and based on this we

experience joy and/or suffering. Here the houses are to be reckoned on the

basis of Yogas involving the Moon, i.e. Sakata, Gajakesari, Chandradi, Sunapha,

Anapha, etc.

Similarly Yogas for the Sun are there, and on this basis one should understand

the placements for the Sun.

Example: If you read the results of planets in 2nd from the Sun they tend to be

very inauspicious compared to the 12th from the Sun. This is because the sun is

giving you those blessings based on the planets in the 12th from Sun.

Similarly that karma you must do is not seen from the 10th from Sun, but from

the 4th from Sun. The Dharma you must uphold and protect is seen from the 5th

from Sun instead of the 9th from Sun. These are the few tidbits I know about

the use of Sun and Moon in chart interpretation.

 

The Sun is the Paramatma, and the suffering experienced by the jeevatma depends

on what the Paramatma feeds it. It is the Paramatma which remembers our sins

and blessings, hence the importance of the Sun. This pair of the Paramatma and

Jeevatma is compared to two birds on a branch with the paramatma feeding the

jeeevatma.

Because of this principle the reckoning of the houses from the Sun become very particular.

 

 

Dear Pran ji,

 

Vistiji is respectable Guru of the SJC!! And we should learn the correct

importance and application of UL from him.

His hint is very true and I'm checking with the charts of Late marriages/no

marriage (very few with me).

 

Regarding Ven+Rahu yuti and in dasa Rahu is aspecting 12th H from lagna and ven

is lord of 12 from lagna and Rahu (Dasa Lord) and by natural significance of

yuti this happened!!

 

Now if you obeserve Rahu is Amk (amatyakarka of chart) and Guru is AK of native.

AK shows sufferings to native to purify his soul in area concerned. Here Jup is

AK hence ask him to respect elders,saints (all who get signified by Jup) !! Jup

is placed in 6th H and lord of 2,5 from Asc. From moon 8 and 11 lord , placed in

12th and from Sun in 10th and 6 and 9th Lord!! So considering Sun as Soul, moon

as mind and Asc as Physical existance you can easily find out area of

sufferings!! (This is what I've observed Gurus pls rectify me)

 

Also pls note, Now Guru is in Ar and in kendra to Badhaka sthana and 10th lord

of natal is placed in badhaka hence by parspara karkatwa (Planets placed in

10th Principle ) can bring sorrow to native in his dasa/antar.

 

But same time Jup is aspecting 10th,12th and 2nd H!! So later on condition will

improve. (especially in last 1/3rd part)

Now in sat antardasa things will improve slowly and steadily!!

 

For remedial measures Saaji has contributed already !

 

With Regards,

 

Vinay Patwardhan

 

 

PNRazdan <pnrazdan> Tue Jul 6, 2004 9:29 pm Re:

FW: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji)

 

 

Dear Vinay.You have given a fair deal of introspection to the chart.Your point

about Rahu was constantly pricking me and I did some moreenquiries about the

jatak and found that he actually was living with agirl for several months

sometime in 1996 proposing to marry her. Butsomehow the marriage did not

materialise later. This period correspondsto Rahu/Venus dasa of the chart.That

establishes Rahu's benevolencebeing in its mooltrikona. But like everything

else given by Rahu in itsdasa, this too did not last long.Mr Larsen has a

different opinion. What do you think of it, I have notused UP.analysis much and

therefore cant say anything.Pran--- Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare Räma

Kåñëa|>> Dear Vinay, Namaskar>> Why not just look at the chart to understand

that? If the Upapada and> its> lord are strong, then you get married to that

potential spouse. If> it’s weak> then the marriage does not happen.>> In this

chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is> yet to> marry. Now

if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but> retrograde – pravrajya

yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her> mind,> or runs away from the

idea of marriage… but first he has to find the> partner.>> Best wishes,>>>>>>

Visti Larsen> <visti@s...> visti@s...>>>>>>>> _____>>

patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay@h...]> 06 July 2004 14:39> To:

vedic astrology> Cc: saajik> [vedic astrology]

RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji)>>>> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||>>>> Dear

Saaji,>>>> If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!!>> Along

with customs and traditions I think if two have mental ,> physical> relations

about a year then it's consider as an marriage from> Mahabharta> age!! Hence

only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th> from> there!! It's

written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same> direction!! :-)>>>> Regarding

marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem> correctly, for those

marriage is just for lower desires and not for> dharma> we have to stick to rasi

!! But when traditional marriage and role of> dharma> is to be played we should

go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I> ask why> Rahu has not given such

marriage and i think this was native's> intellect> which neglect the marriage!!

I think I 'd written on that also!>>>> OK BigB!!>>>> Any way waiting for results

of an interview!! :-)>>>> Regards,>>>>

Vinay>>>>============================================================================>

==================================>> OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house

and Jup Dasa!!>>>> Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is

debilitated ,> placed in> 3rd H and lord of 2,5H>> 3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup

is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to> 3th in> D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L

also)with moon again exalted and 9th> L!>> I this points may also help!!>>>>

One more question to Sri Pran ,>>>> In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the

company!! OR was it on> ownership?>>>> Regards,>>>> Vinay>>>> _____>>>

"saaji kulangara"

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scl3XYel5krK-968UR12fQuAQmuUhfrMyrPSc5prYQEigiT9nytc7Lz> >> Tue Jul 6,

2004 3:31 pm> Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji)>>>>>> Om Subrahmanyaya

Namah>> Dear Sri Pran,>> Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I

think Jupiter> is the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is

in a> Rasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakaraka> he

occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(Shiva>

Sahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11th> L. So the

problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenif> this happended in

Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because of> the problems he had to bear

in Ju AD).>> Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified

the> points, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions going> wrong

do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'll> stand by what all

I've written, atleast in a bit different context!>> Native's Sani AD will be

good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupies> a kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th

from Jupiter. So the AD may help> him recover from the situation he's in.

Thereafter Me AD should be> even more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon

occupies the 7th,> and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the

native can> gain through marriage also.>> Maharshi Parasara, whose words are

beyond question, says recitation> of Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils

in Ju AD.>> Best Wishes,>> Saaji>>> --- In

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vc> , PNRazdan <pnrazdan>> wrote:> > I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay

and Sanjeev for their efforts> to> > study the horoscope of the Jatak I had

posted on the site. The> > unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that

the coming Sat> AD in> > Jup MD should bring in the marriage.> > Let me tell

you something more about the Jatak. An extremely> brilliant> > computer

engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seen> the> > best of his

time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But once> the> > dasa was over,

it took away everything-quite expected of this> planet.> > So the question

raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the> > marriage didnot comeup in

this dasa when everything else did come.> And> > this question has been raised

earlier too.> > Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And also>

having

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