Bush vs Kerry (miscellaneous replies)Chi. PVN and All

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Undersigned would like to thank all those who sent personal mails and also

publicly acknowledged and congratulated self for making correct prediction

about Bush win.

 

All kudos and congratualtions go to God (Lord Krisna), Madhyama Vaikhari Roopena

samsitha Lalitambika and Gurus who taught astrology. (This includes all people

from SJC group and other groups ).

Having decided not to be responsible for any kartutva bhava in self, the credit

is returned to all of you.

 

Chi. Narasimha is right. art of predicting an event is like approach to a goal

from different angles. It is the failures of moves that helps in creating

succesful stratagies and moves and methods.

Failures , in fact are more important than success. It is failures that impel

you towards desire to become successful and strive for excellence and achieve

it.

Self would thus congratualte all friends like Chi. Narasimha, Sri Ramadasaji,

chi. Nemani,Sri Sathyanarayanji, Sri Raman Suprajaraman and host of others who

predicted Bush win.

Equal congratulations go to all those who predicted Kerry win and proved

slightly off the mark.( self is not naming them).

 

Chi. Narasimha is to be however corrected about OSAMA capture.As self had said

that Osama may be captured etc, it was due to the fact Rahu showed its hand in

the analysis. Osama is personification of Rahu. Actually his Tape surfacing was

like a re visit by the GHOST of terrorism of 9/11 revisiting the homes of every

one who had a television in their homes.

 

Fear of unknown is more poweful and destructive than fear of unknown.A

successful capture or killing/attack on Osama would not have created this fear

psychosis.

 

People who had forgotten that America was at war with Iraq and with surfacing of

the tape of Osama, people were rudely jolted into remembering past events of

9/11 and fear of future events.

So self believes that it is the Tape of Osama which tilted the scales in Bush's

favour.You cited poll pundits saying that Tape had no effect on people.Well,

same poll pundits were giving a win for Kerry.

 

Self , had predicted with HP Theory about six months back while discussing KSY

of Bush ..that he would be re-elected as US president .That's power of

astrology ( and not self's).

 

Please continue your selfless service in field of astrology. What you have done

so far, no one has dared to do in giving softwares, free lessons in form of

discussions etc.

 

And a final request about creating a small software tool of a special dasa for

HP Theory....can You be requested to look in the need for the dasa which was

mentioned to you some four months back.RgdsTatvam-Asipvr108 <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>

wrote:

Namaste friends,Congratulations to all those who predicted that Bush would win!

Also, my humble thanks to those of you who congratulated me and others who

predicted a Bush victory.* * *Dear Mukund,> Predicting a Bush win was a

no-brainer. I predicted a Bush win > without looking at any of the correct or

incorrect charts floating > around.You stubbornly keep saying that predicting a

Bush victory was a no-brainer. That is so untrue. All the respected opinion

polls before the election showed that the race was a statistical deadheat. Some

showed Bush in the lead and some showed Kerry in the lead, but the lead was

within the margin of error in almost all cases. After all, had 150,000 people

(2%) voted differently in Ohio, Kerry would've won. So, until yesterday, Bush

and Kerry both had a

realistic chance (almost 50-50). Your view is based on emotions and personal

biases rather than objective analysis of available data.Your attempt to take

credit away from the few of us who predicted a Bush victory is very

unfortunate.> Ya, if someone had predicted a Kerry win and Kerry had indeed

won, > then it would be a cause to congrajulate as well as learn the >

technique used by the successful astrologer.This is unfair. Those of us who

predicted Bush victory deserve to be congratulated too.As for learning the

technique, I gave several technical reasons behind my prediction.You can read

my pointers at:vedic astrology/message/45170I

predicted that Bush would gain decisive momentum in the last week (which is

perhaps correct looking at all the polls). I did not give the reasons behind it

(I will do so later). But the reasons behind the basic

prediction that Bush would prevail were given.> Well, here is my new prediction

NOT based on Jyotish--Hillary Clinton > will run for president in 2008 and will

have a grand victory over her > republican opponent.In the same post mentioned

above, I mentioned 2008 election as one of the factors behind my prediction of

a Bush victory this time. I did look at the charts of Al Gore and Hillary

Clinton for 2008. I tend to think that Al Gore has a brilliant chance in 2008.

However, there is still more time to make that prediction!* * *Dear Sundeep,>

That said, I must say that only one person's prediction stands out - >

specifically "nameisego"'s prediction. Because he predicted the re-> emergence

of Osama before the win, and it can easily be argued that > it was the

emergence of Osama that immediately refocussed the > Americans on security

issues, where Bush is the clear

leader. That > prediction is statistically significant, i.e. not easily

dismissable > as being a chance occurrence or a fluke. But "nameisego" wasnt

even > using SJC techniques was he?Normally, I don't like commenting on another

person's performance. But, because you are exggerating one person's correct

prediction, belittling others and commenting on "SJC techniques" all at the

same time, I feel compelled to point out one simple fact.The exact words of

"nameisego" were: "A SURPRISE IN THE FORM OF MAY BE OSAMA BIN LADEN'S CAPTURE

or an Attack by so called FUNDAMENTALISTS and George Bush's actions there of

would swing the scales in his favour". Neither happened. While nameisego

deserves credit for expecting a clear mandate, he did not get it right

regarding Osama.Don't get me wrong. "Nameisego" deserves congratulations for

predicting Bush victory and kudos for having the guts to make a risky

prediction that Osama would be captured or there would be a terror attack. But

you cannot call that prediction correct just because an Osama tape surfaced.In

fact, based on all the opinion polls, the Osama tape did not work to Bush's

advantage. Some pollsters said it worked to Kerry's advantage a little bit.

Moreover, according to the exit polls, the main issue in the minds of people

was "values" and not security or even Iraq. Simply, more conservative voters

turned up for the election on Nov 2, 2004 than on Nov 7, 2000. The gamble made

by Rove and Bush with respect to their right wing positioning paid off.My only

problem is your exaggeration of one person's prediction and applying loose

standards when judging it, while dismissing other correct predictions as

possible flukes. I certainly do not find fault with nameisego's prediction of

Osama's capture or a terror attack. He saw it and made his call.I too was

honestly expecting some surprise, though I did not mention it. That is in fact

one of the reasons for my predicting that Bush would gain decisive momentum in

the last week before election. In the lunar eclipse chart of last Wednesday

night, cast at Washington DC, the 10th lord Jupiter was in 4th from Gemini

lagna and aspecting 10th (good). The 3rd lord Sun was in debility and afflicted

by Ketu (bad). This shows problems for the opposition leaders (3rd lord) and

good for the rulers (10th lord), after the eclipse. Because Bush has Jupiter

with lagna lord and Kerry has Sun in lagna, the planets involved also fit. So I

was expecting Bush to gain momentum after the eclipse and Kerry to lose

momentum. I was expecting Kerry to fall behind due to some "Ketu" factors. I

too thought it would be terrorism, though I did not say it. But, in hindsight,

it seems like Ketu stands for conservatives, evangelicals etc here and not

terrorists. It

was they who caused the decisive fall of Kerry. This illustrates how one's logic

can be almost perfect and yet the prediction totally wrong (or vice versa). In

any case, I did not want to be too specific and just predicted that Bush would

gain decisive momentum in the final week. Of course, there was another reason

behind it and I will mention it later.May Jupiter's light shine on

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Namaste,

 

> Equal congratulations go to all those who predicted Kerry win and proved

slightly off the mark.( self is not naming them).

Well-said. Though it may seem like Bush won by a land-slide (3.5 million vote

margin is indeed a landslide in these times), the win was a razor-thin win in

terms of electoral college! If just 75,000 people who voted for Bush in Ohio

had voted for Kerry, Kerry would've picked up Ohio and would've won the

electoral college and been the next President. The 3.5 million margin of Bush

would not have mattered then (just like Gore's popular vote lead did not matter

in 2000). This election was a close election and those who predicted a Kerry win

are only "slightly off the mark" as you very correctly said.

 

In fact, if we are judging charts using only 5th house and 10th house, there is

not much difference between winner and loser in these cases. The 5th house

shows loka priyata (popularity). Both men proved their loka priyata.

Differentiating between loka priyata and getting actual power is not an easy

job.

 

> Chi. Narasimha is to be however corrected about OSAMA capture.> As self had

said that Osama may be captured etc, it was due to the fact

> Rahu showed its hand in the analysis. Osama is personification of Rahu.

> Actually his Tape surfacing was like a re visit by the GHOST of terrorism

> of 9/11 revisiting the homes of every one who had a television in their homes.

 

When the tape first came out, I too thought it would have an impact. But the

evidence on ground is contrary to that expectation. Neither the opinion polls

conducted after the tape was out nor the exit polls suggest that the tape

played a role. According to pundits, it in fact reminded people that Osama is

alive and kicking and cutting tapes and vindicated Kerry's criticism that Bush

took his eyes off the ball when deciding to invade Iraq. The offset the fear

factor and overall the tape had no impact. This is not my theory, but that of

the political pundits. Like I said, "moral values" was the top issue on

people's minds according to the exit polls. I mentioned how Ketu (religious and

evangelical turnout) rather than Rahu caused the fall of the opposition (3rd

lord Sun) in the lunar eclipse chart at DC. Not only Kerry lost, but the

democratic party lost a lot of ground.

 

If there is any objective indication on the ground suggesting that the tape

played a role, I will be willing to accept your theory. But there isn't any.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Narasimha ji

 

If i am allowed to intervene.

 

>> According to pundits, it in fact reminded people that Osama is

live and kicking and cutting tapes and vindicated Kerry's criticism

that Bush took his eyes off the ball when deciding to invade Iraq.

The offset the fear factor and overall the tape had no impact. This

>>is not my theory, but that of the political pundits.

 

When someone threatens your security ,will you opt for a guy who has

proven his capability (Bush overthrowing Saddam Hussain) or someone

who is not sure about how to deal (timing was not proper ,strategy

was bad etc - Kerry). I or any one else will give first priority to

aatma raksha.

 

Thus if those guys who thought the tape was an advantage for Kerry

are called as Political Pundits , it is hight time to call them

Political paupers.

 

Every child knew the impact of the tape.Some were even suspecting if

it was some manipulation from Bush!!!!

 

I think Tatwam asi jis immediate reaction and perception was similar

to the reaction of majority over the world.I dont know about the so

called pundits.

 

Every friend of mine living in US whom i had called during the

election campaign had no second opinion regarding the victory of Bush

(inspite of opinion polls).Thus i was able to sense what shri Mukund

was writing.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

[Guest guest]

Respected Tatvam -Asi ji, Narasimha Rao, Gurus and Members

 

Congratulations to all who predicted win for Bush, using differnet

complicated astrological techniques. It was not an eask task

considering the hard fact that more than 50 million americans (20

states) voted for Kerry and even in republican dominated states he

got more than 30% votes. Also international opinion was in his

favour. All credit goes to all your efforts and various techniques.

Hope we will get all rules formulated for Rahu-Centric theory and

other important innovative techniques so that those who are

unfortunate/ still struggling to get jobs or involved in

financial/other problems can get some ideas about their individual

future. Sorry if you are getting this message again, since I lost a

previous identical message.

 

Anyway congratulations, Thanks and Regards. RMK

 

vedic astrology, Noname Noname

<nameisego> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> Undersigned would like to thank all those who sent personal mails

and also publicly acknowledged and congratulated self for making

correct prediction about Bush win.

>

> All kudos and congratualtions go to God (Lord Krisna), Madhyama

Vaikhari Roopena samsitha Lalitambika and Gurus who taught astrology.

(This includes all people from SJC group and other groups ).

>

> Having decided not to be responsible for any kartutva bhava in

self, the credit is returned to all of you.

>

> Chi. Narasimha is right. art of predicting an event is like

approach to a goal from different angles. It is the failures of

moves that helps in creating succesful stratagies and moves and

methods.

>

> Failures , in fact are more important than success. It is failures

that impel you towards desire to become successful and strive for

excellence and achieve it.

>

> Self would thus congratualte all friends like Chi. Narasimha, Sri

Ramadasaji, chi. Nemani,Sri Sathyanarayanji, Sri Raman Suprajaraman

and host of others who predicted Bush win.

>

> Equal congratulations go to all those who predicted Kerry win and

proved slightly off the mark.( self is not naming them).

>

> Chi. Narasimha is to be however corrected about OSAMA capture.

> As self had said that Osama may be captured etc, it was due to the

fact Rahu showed its hand in the analysis. Osama is personification

of Rahu. Actually his Tape surfacing was like a re visit by the GHOST

of terrorism of 9/11 revisiting the homes of every one who had a

television in their homes.

>

> Fear of unknown is more poweful and destructive than fear of

unknown.

> A successful capture or killing/attack on Osama would not have

created this fear psychosis.

>

> People who had forgotten that America was at war with Iraq and with

surfacing of the tape of Osama, people were rudely jolted into

remembering past events of 9/11 and fear of future events.

>

> So self believes that it is the Tape of Osama which tilted the

scales in Bush's favour.

> You cited poll pundits saying that Tape had no effect on people.

> Well, same poll pundits were giving a win for Kerry.

>

> Self , had predicted with HP Theory about six months back while

discussing KSY of Bush ..that he would be re-elected as US president .

> That's power of astrology ( and not self's).

>

> Please continue your selfless service in field of astrology. What

you have done so far, no one has dared to do in giving softwares,

free lessons in form of discussions etc.

>

> And a final request about creating a small software tool of a

special dasa for HP Theory....can You be requested to look in the

need for the dasa which was mentioned to you some four months back.

> Rgds

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> pvr108 <pvr@c...> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Congratulations to all those who predicted that Bush would win!

> Also, my humble thanks to those of you who congratulated me and

> others who predicted a Bush victory.

>

> * * *

>

> Dear Mukund,

>

> > Predicting a Bush win was a no-brainer. I predicted a Bush win

> > without looking at any of the correct or incorrect charts

floating

> > around.

>

> You stubbornly keep saying that predicting a Bush victory was a no-

> brainer. That is so untrue. All the respected opinion polls before

> the election showed that the race was a statistical deadheat. Some

> showed Bush in the lead and some showed Kerry in the lead, but the

> lead was within the margin of error in almost all cases. After all,

> had 150,000 people (2%) voted differently in Ohio, Kerry would've

> won. So, until yesterday, Bush and Kerry both had a realistic

chance

> (almost 50-50). Your view is based on emotions and personal biases

> rather than objective analysis of available data.

>

> Your attempt to take credit away from the few of us who predicted a

> Bush victory is very unfortunate.

>

> > Ya, if someone had predicted a Kerry win and Kerry had indeed

won,

> > then it would be a cause to congrajulate as well as learn the

> > technique used by the successful astrologer.

>

> This is unfair. Those of us who predicted Bush victory deserve to

be

> congratulated too.

>

> As for learning the technique, I gave several technical reasons

> behind my prediction.

>

> You can read my pointers at:

>

> vedic astrology/message/45170

>

> I predicted that Bush would gain decisive momentum in the last week

> (which is perhaps correct looking at all the polls). I did not give

> the reasons behind it (I will do so later). But the reasons behind

> the basic prediction that Bush would prevail were given.

>

> > Well, here is my new prediction NOT based on Jyotish--Hillary

> Clinton

> > will run for president in 2008 and will have a grand victory over

> her

> > republican opponent.

>

> In the same post mentioned above, I mentioned 2008 election as one

> of the factors behind my prediction of a Bush victory this time. I

> did look at the charts of Al Gore and Hillary Clinton for 2008. I

> tend to think that Al Gore has a brilliant chance in 2008. However,

> there is still more time to make that prediction!

>

> * * *

>

> Dear Sundeep,

>

> > That said, I must say that only one person's prediction stands

> out -

> > specifically "nameisego"'s prediction. Because he predicted the

re-

> > emergence of Osama before the win, and it can easily be argued

> that

> > it was the emergence of Osama that immediately refocussed the

> > Americans on security issues, where Bush is the clear leader.

That

> > prediction is statistically significant, i.e. not easily

> dismissable

> > as being a chance occurrence or a fluke. But "nameisego" wasnt

> even

> > using SJC techniques was he?

>

> Normally, I don't like commenting on another person's performance.

> But, because you are exggerating one person's correct prediction,

> belittling others and commenting on "SJC techniques" all at the

same

> time, I feel compelled to point out one simple fact.

>

> The exact words of "nameisego" were: "A SURPRISE IN THE FORM OF MAY

> BE OSAMA BIN LADEN'S CAPTURE or an Attack by so called

> FUNDAMENTALISTS and George Bush's actions there of would swing the

> scales in his favour". Neither happened. While nameisego deserves

> credit for expecting a clear mandate, he did not get it right

> regarding Osama.

>

> Don't get me wrong. "Nameisego" deserves congratulations for

> predicting Bush victory and kudos for having the guts to make a

> risky prediction that Osama would be captured or there would be a

> terror attack. But you cannot call that prediction correct just

> because an Osama tape surfaced.

>

> In fact, based on all the opinion polls, the Osama tape did not

work

> to Bush's advantage. Some pollsters said it worked to Kerry's

> advantage a little bit. Moreover, according to the exit polls, the

> main issue in the minds of people was "values" and not security or

> even Iraq. Simply, more conservative voters turned up for the

> election on Nov 2, 2004 than on Nov 7, 2000. The gamble made by

Rove

> and Bush with respect to their right wing positioning paid off.

>

> My only problem is your exaggeration of one person's prediction and

> applying loose standards when judging it, while dismissing other

> correct predictions as possible flukes. I certainly do not find

> fault with nameisego's prediction of Osama's capture or a terror

> attack. He saw it and made his call.

>

> I too was honestly expecting some surprise, though I did not

mention

> it. That is in fact one of the reasons for my predicting that Bush

> would gain decisive momentum in the last week before election. In

> the lunar eclipse chart of last Wednesday night, cast at Washington

> DC, the 10th lord Jupiter was in 4th from Gemini lagna and

aspecting

> 10th (good). The 3rd lord Sun was in debility and afflicted by Ketu

> (bad). This shows problems for the opposition leaders (3rd lord)

and

> good for the rulers (10th lord), after the eclipse. Because Bush

has

> Jupiter with lagna lord and Kerry has Sun in lagna, the planets

> involved also fit. So I was expecting Bush to gain momentum after

> the eclipse and Kerry to lose momentum. I was expecting Kerry to

> fall behind due to some "Ketu" factors. I too thought it would be

> terrorism, though I did not say it. But, in hindsight, it seems

like

> Ketu stands for conservatives, evangelicals etc here and not

> terrorists. It was they who caused the decisive fall of Kerry. This

> illustrates how one's logic can be almost perfect and yet the

> prediction totally wrong (or vice versa). In any case, I did not

> want to be too specific and just predicted that Bush would gain

> decisive momentum in the final week. Of course, there was another

> reason behind it and I will mention it later.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

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