2nd house Jup in various roles--to Mr.Hari (You now tell people)

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Dear Sri Hari,

This being does not and would never selct horoscopes from his

archives.

A random click on collection shows up horoscope and the same is

posted.

Undersigned is not out to prove himself right and others wrong.

 

Please refrain from postings which insinuate wrong notions.

If you want , a number of horoscopes randomly selected can be

provided by self to show that GURU IS NOT A BOON (Always) and sani is

not a BANE ALWAYS.

 

If you want, check following horoscopes and tell people what you make

out of them by seeing position of Guru.

 

Male, 23 rd April 1959...7.55 pm Bangalore

Male, March 27 1972, Udaipur Rajasthan 9.12 am

Male Nov.10 1955,10.37 pm, Calcutta

Male, 24 sept 1980..3.30 am Bangalore.

Male Dec 14, 1988 10.28 pm Bombay

 

Please revert with results.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Hello Self,

>

> Could it be possible that you are only getting the cases which

prove the dictum rather than getting the cases where the dictum does

not work? If this is the case, how can you form an opinion on this

dictum?

>

> Secondly, having no sons is very much different from having no

children.

>

> best regards

> Hari

>

> nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

>

> Hello Lakshmiji,

> Just as if on cue, self had a client yesterday having Guru in

> Vrischika rasi in 5th and Sani in Mesha in 10th.

> Applying Bhava nasha karo jeeva principle, self boldly told him

that

> he had no sons.

> As it turned out, he does not have a son .

> Since Jupiter is in Vrischika, it is difficult for him to have a

male

> issue but having sani in 10th in Mesha prompted self to predict a

> male issue in his Sani bhukti of Rahu major period which he starts

in

> 2005 December.

> Many charts with self bear testimony in experiency

difficulty/damage

> to the bhava occupied by Guru.

> Hope you wud understand Guru much better now.

> By the way , could you read posting made under heading ..

> "GURU BOON OR BANE?"

> Tatvam-Asi

>

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Sir,

> >

> > I generally do not take any dictum literally, but a lot of others

> seemed to do so. That's what upset me.

> >

> > Thank you for your affection.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Lakshmi Ji,

> > You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take

any

> > Jyotisha rule literally.

> > Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a kingdom.

> > Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.

> > Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words should not be taken

> > literally.

> > There is a degree of effect ,

> > either good or bad

> > that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.

> > So please take all astrology rules /dictums in this context.

> > Hope you would understand.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> > >

> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona.

> Please

> > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered

to

> > protect the house, based on both strength and functionality,

> Jupiter

> > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and in

> > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana

rakshati

> > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in own

> > house.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th and

> > 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great

> > knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare

inner

> > harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest

> > individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached to

his

> > family and mother and there are no problems what so ever on the

> home

> > front. This individual is highly esteemed in his work environment

> and

> > has all the comforts one could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is

> > supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is good for the

general

> > health & happiness of the person.

> > >

> > > The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own

> dear

> > husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 years.

My

> > husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.

> > >

> > > I am posting the charts here.

> > >

> > > I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to

> whom

> > you were referring in your post, for our edification and

discussion.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related

> to

> > > guru in various bhavas.

> > >

> > > When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in

> own

> > > sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

> > >

> > > When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign

> > some

> > > physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

> > >

> > > Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

> > >

> > > Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while

> > transiting

> > > kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

> > > beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and

> 9th

> > > are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Anuj,

> > > > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your

> message

> > > to

> > > > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers.

There

> > are

> > > many

> > > > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

> > > dictum, I

> > > > have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> > > > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

> > > Benefic/Malefic

> > > > with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens

more

> > > with

> > > > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru

> as

> > > his

> > > > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara

> telling

> > > when

> > > > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and

> pious

> > > > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

> > > prejudices

> > > > apart from application of astrological principles.

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > nameisego wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in

> age

> > > and

> > > > > experience in this group.

> > > > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > > > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > > > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown

Guru's

> > > > > position in various houses which had been

destroyed/troubled

> by

> > > Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > > > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > > > > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> > > > >

> > > > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

> > > yourself and

> > > > > check the examples that were given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

> > > goodness

> > > > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn

sucks

> > the

> > > > > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> <pnrazdan>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter

> still

> > > > > further.

> > > > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

> > > designated as a

> > > > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle

of "Karka

> > > Bhavo

> > > > > Nasa"

> > > > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed

> in.

> > > Why

> > > > > this

> > > > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in

Vedic

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given

by

> > > you. But

> > > > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always

> > speaks

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said,

> that

> > > > > howsoever

> > > > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

> > > subject. And

> > > > > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

> > > convincing

> > > > > all

> > > > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman.

This

> > > would

> > > > > even

> > > > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> > > > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi

> had

> > > asked.

> > > > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum

> given

> > > by

> > > > > sages

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If

one

> > > wants to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac

Leo

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava

> > > Dasha. In

> > > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is

> > > Shubha

> > > > > there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered

> but

> > > not

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in

Leo

> > for

> > > > > > > Muhurta,

> > > > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related

> > > configurations),It may

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally

> > > speaking).

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have

directional

> > > strength

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > initiate for results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to

give

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses

his

> > > > > strength in

> > > > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages

> when

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That

is

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fact of

> > > > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being

> in

> > > own

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with

Father.

> > But

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > say he

> > > > > > > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am

> > curious

> > > to

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo

and

> > > hence

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > email.

> > > > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also.

> > > > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt

> he

> > > is very

> > > > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and

> > yes,

> > > he

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be

the

> > > > > > > positioning

> > > > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know

why

> > jup

> > > > > losses

> > > > > > > > strength in leo.

> > > > > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th,

both

> > > father

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?

> > > > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses

> strength

> > > in Leo.

> > > > > > > Any

> > > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and

failed.

> > > That

> > > > > was in

> > > > > > > > 1986-87, my

> > > > > > > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get

> > > Vimshottari

> > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > Rahu-Jup and

> > > > > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>Yours,

> > > > > > > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > > > > > > > >>>Jyotishi

> > > > > > > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com

> > > > > > > > > >>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

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Hello Self,

 

I posed the first question from a statistical viewpoint. Sadly, your kind self

has reacted testily to my question and even cautioned me not to post with the

aim of inducing wrong notions. This is of course, a wrong notion on the part of

your kind self but nevertheless, thank you for the kind advice posed by your

self.

 

Thank you also for the cases which your self has provided. I will go through

them and revert if I find any observations relevant to the discussion.

 

best regards

Harinameisego <nameisego > wrote:

Dear Sri Hari,This being does not and would never selct horoscopes from his

archives.A random click on collection shows up horoscope and the same is

posted.Undersigned is not out to prove himself right and others wrong.Please

refrain from postings which insinuate wrong notions.If you want , a number of

horoscopes randomly selected can be provided by self to show that GURU IS NOT A

BOON (Always) and sani is not a BANE ALWAYS.If you want, check following

horoscopes and tell people what you make out of them by seeing position of

Guru.Male, 23 rd April 1959...7.55 pm BangaloreMale, March 27 1972, Udaipur

Rajasthan 9.12 amMale Nov.10 1955,10.37 pm, CalcuttaMale, 24 sept 1980..3.30 am

Bangalore.Male Dec 14, 1988 10.28 pm BombayPlease revert with

results.Tatvam-Asi---

In vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om

Brihaspataye Namah||> > Hello Self,> > Could it be possible that you are only

getting the cases which prove the dictum rather than getting the cases where the

dictum does not work? If this is the case, how can you form an opinion on this

dictum?> > Secondly, having no sons is very much different from having no

children.> > best regards> Hari> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> > Hello

Lakshmiji,> Just as if on cue, self had a client yesterday having Guru in >

Vrischika rasi in 5th and Sani in Mesha in 10th.> Applying Bhava nasha karo

jeeva principle, self boldly told him that > he had no sons.> As it turned out,

he does not have a son .> Since Jupiter is in Vrischika, it is difficult for him

to have a male

> issue but having sani in 10th in Mesha prompted self to predict a > male issue

in his Sani bhukti of Rahu major period which he starts in > 2005 December.>

Many charts with self bear testimony in experiency difficulty/damage > to the

bhava occupied by Guru.> Hope you wud understand Guru much better now.> By the

way , could you read posting made under heading ..> "GURU BOON OR BANE?">

Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, lakshmi

ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste

Sir,> > > > I generally do not take any dictum literally, but a lot of others

> seemed to do so. That's what upset me.> > > > Thank you for your affection.>

> > > Regards,> >

Lakshmi> > > > > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> > > > Hello Lakshmi Ji,> >

You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take any > > Jyotisha

rule literally.> > Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a kingdom.> > Maraka

Dasa does not always mean Death.> > Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words

should not be taken > > literally.> > There is a degree of effect , > > either

good or bad > > that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.> > So please take all

astrology rules /dictums in this context.> > Hope you would understand.> > > >

Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh > >

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Namaste

Chandrasekar ji,> > > > > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own

house/moolatrikona. > Please > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who

is more empowered to > > protect the house, based on both strength and

functionality, > Jupiter > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.> > >

> > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:> > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in

own house and in > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana

rakshati > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in own

> > house.> >

> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >

Namaste Pradeep ji,> > > > > > I happen to know of individuals who have strong

Guru in 4th and > > 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with

great > > knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare inner >

> harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest > > individuals I

have ever come across, and he is very attached to his > > family and mother and

there are no problems what so ever on the > home > > front. This individual is

highly esteemed in his work environment > and > > has all the comforts one

could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is > > supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna,

which is good for the general > > health & happiness of the

person.> > > > > > The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my

own > dear > > husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 years.

My > > husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.> > > > > > I am

posting the charts here.> > > > > > I request that you also post the charts

of the individuals to > whom > > you were referring in your post, for our

edification and discussion.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > Dear

Chandrashekhar ji> > > > > > I have been trying to test the principles taught

by you related > to > > > guru in various bhavas.> > >

> > > When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in > own > > >

sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.> > > > > > When in 7th at

marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign > > some > > > physical

weakness and health problems in childhood.> > > > > > Thus Guru tests the

individual thouroughly.> > > > > > Also sages have advised that Guru is not

favourable while > > transiting > > > kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only

the 7th kendra is > > > beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only

2nd,5th,7th and > 9th > > > are favourable.11th being good for all planets in

general.> > > > > > Respect> > > Pradeep> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > >

<boxdel> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Anuj,> > > > I am glad you agree with me.

As you rightly said in your > message > > > to > > > > Razdan,a the dictum is

pretty well known to astrologers. There > > are > > > many > > > > shlokas to

that effects and charts prove the veracity of the > > > dictum, I > > > > have

myself posted a few of them earlier.> > > > Unfortunately there is a tendency

to mix up terms like > > > Benefic/Malefic > > > > with the results a planet is

likely to give. This happens more > > > with > > > > Jupiter as people usually

tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru > as > > > his > > > > name in Sanskrit is

Guru. People tend to forget Parashara > telling > > > when > >

> > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and > pious > > > >

attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and > > > prejudices >

> > > apart from application of astrological principles.> > > > Take care,> > >

> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > nameisego wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

Respected Chandrashekhar ji.> > > > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the

senior most Guru in > age > > > and> > > > > experience in this group.> > > > >

Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.> > > > > Self had posted in

this group and elsewhere an article on "> > > > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some

time back where it was shown Guru's> > > > > position in

various houses which had been destroyed/troubled > by > > > Guru.> > > > >> > >

> > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva> > > > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"> > > > > This

Dictum had been proved by self.> > > > >> > > > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro'

older postings and read for > > > yourself and> > > > > check the examples that

were given.> > > > >> > > > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter

sucks the > > > goodness> > > > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it

aspects. Saturn sucks > > the> > > > > houses he aspects and increases the

house it occupies.> > > > >> > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology,

PNRazdan > <pnrazdan>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > >

> > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter > still> > > > >

further.> > > > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a > > >

designated as a> > > > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of

"Karka > > > Bhavo> > > > > Nasa"> > > > > > . Now you say that it will harm

every house it is placed > in. > > > Why> > > > > this> > > > > > animosity

with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic> > > > >

Astrology> > > > > > (in lighter vein).> > > > > >> > > > > > You refer to some

dictum of a sage, source was not given by > > > you. But> > > > > > take out

any basic book on ancient astrology. It always > > speaks > > > of> > > > >

the> > > > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, > that>

> > > > howsoever> > > > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help

the > > > subject. And> > > > > > this has been amply proved by our

experience.> > > > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

> > > convincing> > > > > all> > > > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the

heavenly Brahiman. This > > >

would> > > > > even> > > > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.> > > >

> > Pran Razdan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:>

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,> > > > > > > Reference to Leo was in

connection with what Shubhangi > had > > > asked.> > > > > > > Jupiter harming

the house he is placed in is a dictum > given > > > by> > > > > sages> > > > >

> > and> > > > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one >

> > wants to> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this

in natural zodiac Leo > > is > >

> in> > > > > 5th> > > > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka

Bhava > > > Dasha. In> > > > > > > 11th> > > > > > > all planets are Shubha so

it is not only Jupiter who is > > > Shubha> > > > > there.> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered > but > > > not>

> > > > as> > > > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.> > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In my

humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo > > for> > > > > > > Muhurta,>

> > > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related > > > configurations),It

may> > > > > not> > > > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily

(generally > > > speaking).> > > > > In> > > > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd

house in Libra is considered bad.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 11th

house (any sign) will have directional > > > strength> > > > > to> > > > > > > >

initiate for results.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There must be more than this

reason, for jupiter to give> > > > > negative> >

> > > > > > results.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <boxdel>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >

> Dear Shubhangi,> > > > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter

looses his> > > > > strength in> > > > > > > > Leo> > > > > > > > > and that is

why there are no Muhurtas for marriages > when> > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > >

occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is > > due > > >

to> > > > > the> > > > > > > > fact of> > > > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In

your brother's case Sun being > in > > > own> > > > > Rasi> > > > > > > >

makes> > > > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. > >

But > > > I> > > > > would> > > > > > > > say he> > > > > > > > > would not

follow father's profession.> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Dear

Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am > > curious > > > to> > >

> > know> > > > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and

> > > hence> > > > > this> > > > > > > > email.> > > > > > > > > >Yes, your

dictum worked in my brother's case also.> > > > > > > > > >My brother has

sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt > he > > > is very> > > > > > > >

intelligent but did not do much well in academics and > > yes, > > > he> > > >

> did> > > > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.> > > > > > > > > >With my

half knowledge I thought the reason to be the> > > > > > >

positioning> > > > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know

why > > jup> > > > > losses> > > > > > > > strength in leo.> > > > > > > > >

>But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both > > > father> > > > > and>

> > > > > > > son shares good relation with each other.> > > > > > > > >

>Thanks,> > > > > > > > > >Shubhangi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004

Chandrashekhar wrote :> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

>>Dear Dhira,> > > > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?>

> > > > > > > > >>Regards,> > > > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >

>>> > > > > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > >

> > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo.

Jupiter looses > strength > > > in Leo.> > > > > > > Any> > > > > > > >

problems> > > > > > > > > >>>>in education?> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >

> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>No, except for one year

I didn't study and failed. > > > That> > > > > was in> > > > > > > > 1986-87,

my> > > > > > > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get > >

> Vimshottari> > > > > Ven-> > > > > > > > Rahu-Jup and> > > > > > > > > >>>Sat

for that year.> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>Yours,> > > > > > > > >

>>>Dhira Krsna dasa,> > > > > > > > > >>>Jyotishi> > > > > > > > >

>>>http://www.radhadesh.com> > > > > > > > >

>>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > >

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