Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Viswanatham garu and Vinay ji, Thanks a lot for sharing that lovely background story! “Anaghaa” means the “The Sinless One” and this is an attribute of Shuddha Parabrahma, which ofcourse is equally applicable to his shakti. Here, Anaghaa Devi, being the manifestation of tri-maataas would represent tremendous combination of Iccha, gynaana, kriya shaktis. Jambhasura, lacking wisdom (source code?), wouldn’t know how to harness power of that magnitude and use it with restraint for the right cause. Anyway, the mere possession of such shakti seemed to have gone to the head of the asura and caused his ultimate downfall. I think there is a vrata also in the name of Anaghaa. Vaiswanatham garu had talked about efforts giving bhagya, which is largely true, because as guruji had already commented, Venus is the yogakaraka for saturn’s signs. Then, in the story, when Jambhasura had taken the trouble of going to the ashram and waging a war against devas, his efforts should have rightfully resulted in the gain of Maha Lakshmi. Instead he ultimately loses the war. Why? Simply, because his efforts did not have the backing of dharma and he was guilty of wrongful use of Parakrama against peaceful folk and of coveting what was clearly not his. Also, because he was not capable of judicious and dharmic use of divine power. During Ksheera Saagara Madhanam, the Asuras were not lazy. Infact they had a tougher job than Devas. Then, why were they denied a share in the “Amrita”? Again for the same reason. In astrology, the 9th house stands for both Dharma and Bhagya, as does the 2nd house in a more personal / individual sense. Only those efforts which sustain Dharma or promote Dharma will result in lasting bhagya and not otherwise. Because, as Vinay ji has very correctly pointed out, the Lakshmi trikona is the same as the Dharma Trikona. There is no difference. Today morning when I was praying to Lord Venkateshwara, what suddenly struck me was the interesting posture of Lord’s hands. The left hand lightly rests on His left thigh, as “Kati hastam” and the right hand points to His feet in “varada mudra”! Well, the Merciful Lord could be letting us into a secret! It is not for nothing that He is known as “Sri Nivasa” (Abode of Lakshmi) and is the presiding deity of the richest temple in the world ! Sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter! Sri Srinivasa charaNam saraNam prapadye. Thank you all for a stimulating discussion and do let me know my mistakes. Regards, Lakshmi Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Namaste Nisha, Before interpreting the meaning of article try to understand the actual incident given in article. This incident happened when Jambhaasur had defeated Deva s and they had been adviced to ask help from ShriDattatreya. ShriDatta asked Devas to fight with Asuras and bring them to his Ashrama. When Asuras came there, while fighting with DEvas, they find Mother Lakshmi in Ashrama ( I think actual words are "Anaghaa" shakti If Gurus or anyone can explain meaning of Anaghaa I'll be greatful) and they forcely carry her on their heads. Then ShriDatta ask Devas(who get defearted) to fight with Asuras again. As Asuras carry her on their heads they forget all their Mantras and also they have done the greatest sin of touching Parastri hence loose all their Tapa shakti. And Devas defeated Asuras and Jambhaasura is also finished, with ease. This is actual incident as per my knowledge and just wait what SJC Gurus will explain. I'll try to give few views as per my understandings and hope every one can read inbetween the lines , 1)Here Jambha is second name for Lazyness. This is Tamoguna. Shri Datta is son of Atri Krushi means He's not Satva, Raja, Tamas Guna!! Carrying Mother Shakti (Lakshmi ) is symbol of Tamoguna again. (And Ven is showing Rajoguna) Devas are follower of Dharma and representing Satva guna and efforts. 2)Again here shows the respect of woman which every one has to keep. Otherwise anyone will finish like Jambhaa. 3)Now see the beauty of our sages , they says 5th and 9th H are Lakshmi Sthanas and same sthanas are consider for Upasanam and Guru!! (I think learned ones can share more readings on astroside hence not willing to repeat it) Like way we can explore and may keep on explore but the word of caustion is, Shri Datta is also known as Digambar and whatever we are trying to explore, are just the cloths on his body and not He himself!! :-) Hence in Maharashtra we know one famous phrase , "Ek tari Ovi Anubhavavi" Means Try to realise atleast one Upadesa from any Saint in real!! (Not with just words) Here I've taken liberty to write original inccident and my thoughts and not willing to enter in any debate. Thanks to Vishwanatham ji and Lakshmiji for their valuable readings. Regards, Vinay Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:07:00 -0000 "vishwanatham" <vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com>Re: Fw: mail on Pt S Raths articleHare Rama KrishnaDear Nisha,i was waiting for an SJC guru to reply to your query to know what is the subtler meaning of it.My thoughts at more gross level are :1. Always, worship Laxmi along with narayana2. Narayana represents efforts, while Laxmi represents bhagya.So, seeking bhagya without efforts is not sustainable, in the long run.See, how gross are my thoughts!Thanks to Laxmi garu for explaining the subtler meanings very well.regardsviswanadham--- In vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Nisha,> > > > Though I am really unequal to the task of interpreting Guruji's words, I just want to place before you my understanding and leave the rest to guruji to correct.> > > > Though Venus signifies Mahalakshmi, it is Jupiter, who is significator for wealth. It is common to see in Hindu iconography Lakshmi seated on the left thigh (Sagittarius) of Lord Vishnu or pressing the feet (pisces)of reclining Vishnu. Here thighs can be taken to indicate stability and feet indicate "aasraya" or refuge. Guruji could be referring to the tendency of Asuras to worship material luxuries/wealth, while at the same time fighting with the Source of this wealth (Vishnu), because Lakshmi is nothing but the Shakti or manifestation of Vishnu's sustaining function. Since shakti's nature is primarily to radiate/spread out, the aakasa tattwa of Jupiter facilitates an unhindered expansion of this shakti, and perhaps that is why Gajakesai yoga promises this kind of expanding power. > > > > Incidentally Taurus, depicted as a Vrishabha, is symbolic of Dharma and its four-legged stability. This could be the reason for calling the 2nd house as the house of Vishnu. Infact, some pundits say that Lord Krishna's birth in Vrishabha signifies His descent to stabilize Dharma. Venus's other sign is that of a balance and what other sign in the zodiac can indicate this equilibrium better than the peaceful pisces?> > > > This is further reinforced by the fact that Venus is exalted in the 27th degree of Pisces. If we consider Aries as the Sunrise, this exaltation of Venus would occur around the tranquil pure moment of Brahma Muhurtam, heralding the birth of Light. Venus rejoices in Light, that's why Maha Lakshmi is worshipped in "Deepam" and deepavali is the festival of Lakshmi. That's why during dusk, every one lights a "diya" and prayers are offered to invite & retain the grace of Lakshmi, both on the material and spiritual planes. > > > > Hence, the best of Venus is when the world is lost in the abiding ecstasy that the contemplation of the Highest brings, and not in mere physical pleasures as the popular opinion goes. That's why you see exalted Venus as a symbol of purity in the charts of many saints. > > > > Please excuse the howlers that may have crept in.> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi > > > > > > > nisha malik <nisha1970@h...> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- nisha malik > vedic astrology > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:29 PM> Fw: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah Om Namah Shivaye > > > > Dear List members and respected gurujis,> > Would someone care to elaborate on this (an article by Pt Sanjay Rath )> > The deity of Venus is Mahalakshmi and when the Asura had defeated the Deva's and were running away with Mahalakshmi, the Deva's went to Dattatreya (Om form of Vishnu) and asked Him to do something. With His divine sight Dattaguru saw that the Asura were carrying Lakshmi on their head and started smiling. He asked the Deva not to worry and told that Lakshmi would return very soon. This happened exactly as Dattatreya had predicted and the perplexed Deva asked for the reasons.> > Dattatreya explained that Lakshmi is symbolic of money and those people who have Lakshmi in their heads are bound to lose Her grace and consequently lose Her. Instead those who have Lakshmi in their thighs (ninth house-Dharma) will always find stability in wealth and Lakshmi will be please to be with them.> > Thus, Rahu & Saturn have Rajyoga due to Venus and Venus becomes a Yogakaraka for Capricorn and Aquarius. These people are always yearning for Lakshmi and consequently they may be fortunate to get Her sometimes, but invariably lose Her. That is why Rahu-Ven or Ven-Rahu, Sat-Ven or Ven-Sat periods are terrible as Lakshmi is said to LEAVE THE HOUSE. Financial pressures and misfortune results. The only exceptions are the Lagna of Jupiter (Pisces & Sagitarius) as they have the sence to use Lakshmi properly and give Her a respectable place next to Her Lord...see the real life & Jyotish implications.> > > > Regards> > Nisha Malik> > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Dear Lakshmi, Namaste.[sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar. About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels! regards Hari Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Laxmi garu, Namasthe. Very well said. i am giving my understanding as follows. The root word for Dhrama is 'dhr' meaning to support/ to sustain. Now this has moved from Vedas to smritis to the present day laws of the land, adopted to the day. Who can say that, taking care of one's family is not dharmic. However, Goddess Laxmi may neither come nor stay with that family. The onlyone who sustains is HE. What we can do is to make efforts (offcourse within the laws of the land!), which include prayers to Him. Pt Rath also said that Sudasa will not give its promises, unless Narayana dasa supports it. When Kendra (Vishnu sthana)lord & Kona (Laxmi sthana)lord come together, it results in Yoga for prosperity. So, i think efforts have a place in this, hoping that it fits into His game plan. Thanks for your insights. Regards viswanadham vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Viswanatham garu and Vinay ji, > > Thanks a lot for sharing that lovely background story! "Anaghaa" means the "The Sinless One" and this is an attribute of Shuddha Parabrahma, which ofcourse is equally applicable to his shakti. Here, Anaghaa Devi, being the manifestation of tri-maataas would represent tremendous combination of Iccha, gynaana, kriya shaktis. Jambhasura, lacking wisdom (source code?), wouldn't know how to harness power of that magnitude and use it with restraint for the right cause. Anyway, the mere possession of such shakti seemed to have gone to the head of the asura and caused his ultimate downfall. I think there is a vrata also in the name of Anaghaa. > > Vaiswanatham garu had talked about efforts giving bhagya, which is largely true, because as guruji had already commented, Venus is the yogakaraka for saturn's signs. Then, in the story, when Jambhasura had taken the trouble of going to the ashram and waging a war against devas, his efforts should have rightfully resulted in the gain of Maha Lakshmi. Instead he ultimately loses the war. Why? Simply, because his efforts did not have the backing of dharma and he was guilty of wrongful use of Parakrama against peaceful folk and of coveting what was clearly not his. Also, because he was not capable of judicious and dharmic use of divine power. > > During Ksheera Saagara Madhanam, the Asuras were not lazy. Infact they had a tougher job than Devas. Then, why were they denied a share in the "Amrita"? Again for the same reason. > > In astrology, the 9th house stands for both Dharma and Bhagya, as does the 2nd house in a more personal / individual sense. Only those efforts which sustain Dharma or promote Dharma will result in lasting bhagya and not otherwise. Because, as Vinay ji has very correctly pointed out, the Lakshmi trikona is the same as the Dharma Trikona. There is no difference. > > Today morning when I was praying to Lord Venkateshwara, what suddenly struck me was the interesting posture of Lord's hands. The left hand lightly rests on His left thigh, as "Kati hastam" and the right hand points to His feet in "varada mudra"! Well, the Merciful Lord could be letting us into a secret! It is not for nothing that He is known as "Sri Nivasa" (Abode of Lakshmi) and is the presiding deity of the richest temple in the world ! Sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter! > > Sri Srinivasa charaNam saraNam prapadye. > > Thank you all for a stimulating discussion and do let me know my mistakes. > > Regards, > > Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Namaste Lakshmiji, Thanks for explaining the word "Anaghaa" and 3 shaktis included in. Now Jambha Sura, who got Jambha astra and make his enemeis sleeply and forget about their strengths,etc That's why I named it as Tamo Guna. Sourse for this is Datta Purana / Datta Mahatmya(I may be mistaken the name as I don't have Book right now) And you are very correct about Anaghaashtami Vrata and this is the Day when Kartaviryaarjuna got blessed by ShriDatta. (I think Kaartaviryaarjuna is Avtar of Sudarshana is it correct? I think u may have more info) For rest of the explanation I'm fully agree with you and in simple words this story tells us about Dharma-Karma(dhipati) yoga. Hence when Upachaya involved in DKY it's reducing DKY strength. (Astrologically Pls correct me if I'm wrong) Lastly pls don't add ji after my name and keep on exploring your thoughts and info. Thanks. Regards, Vinay Patwardhan || Avadhut Chintan ShriGurudev Datta || Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:36:59 -0700 (PDT) lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh >Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths articleOm Gurave NamahNamaste Viswanatham garu and Vinay ji,Thanks a lot for sharing that lovely background story! "Anaghaa" means the "The Sinless One" and this is an attribute of Shuddha Parabrahma, which ofcourse is equally applicable to his shakti. Here, Anaghaa Devi, being the manifestation of tri-maataas would represent tremendous combination of Iccha, gynaana, kriya shaktis. Jambhasura, lacking wisdom (source code?), wouldn't know how to harness power of that magnitude and use it with restraint for the right cause. Anyway, the mere possession of such shakti seemed to have gone to the head of the asura and caused his ultimate downfall. I think there is a vrata also in the name of Anaghaa. Vaiswanatham garu had talked about efforts giving bhagya, which is largely true, because as guruji had already commented, Venus is the yogakaraka for saturn's signs. Then, in the story, when Jambhasura had taken the trouble of going to the ashram and waging a war against devas, his efforts should have rightfully resulted in the gain of Maha Lakshmi. Instead he ultimately loses the war. Why? Simply, because his efforts did not have the backing of dharma and he was guilty of wrongful use of Parakrama against peaceful folk and of coveting what was clearly not his. Also, because he was not capable of judicious and dharmic use of divine power. During Ksheera Saagara Madhanam, the Asuras were not lazy. Infact they had a tougher job than Devas. Then, why were they denied a share in the "Amrita"? Again for the same reason. In astrology, the 9th house stands for both Dharma and Bhagya, as does the 2nd house in a more personal / individual sense. Only those efforts which sustain Dharma or promote Dharma will result in lasting bhagya and not otherwise. Because, as Vinay ji has very correctly pointed out, the Lakshmi trikona is the same as the Dharma Trikona. There is no difference.Today morning when I was praying to Lord Venkateshwara, what suddenly struck me was the interesting posture of Lord's hands. The left hand lightly rests on His left thigh, as "Kati hastam" and the right hand points to His feet in "varada mudra"! Well, the Merciful Lord could be letting us into a secret! It is not for nothing that He is known as "Sri Nivasa" (Abode of Lakshmi) and is the presiding deity of the richest temple in the world ! Sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana ).in astro-lingo, Jupiter! Sri Srinivasa charaNam saraNam prapadye.Thank you all for a stimulating discussion and do let me know my mistakes. Regards,Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Viswanathamgaru, What you said about efforts is very true. Our efforts define what we are on earth and determine what we become after we leave it. Talking about Kendra-kona sambandha reminds me of this little bit. Please pardon me for this digression. You know, in Sri Chakra, at the center is the Bindu and surrounding it is the Trikona. While Bindu is Ishwara or the Source, the Trikona is shakti / prakriti / or expression of the Supreme Being. When Kalidasa talked about “Jagatah pitarou vande Paarvati Parameshwarou” this is what he had in mind and this is what the exaltation of Sun in Ashwini tells us….about brahma-ananda and the beginning of creation…which is continued into Bharani. That’s why Mars rules blood, menstruation, mother, yoga (Mars+Ketu=Ashwini), and also passion (Mars+Venus=Bharani) etc. Perhaps, that’s why Mother is worshipped during Aaswayuja maasa. When the Bindu, which is nothing but a circle with no radius, is stretched to the sides, it becomes a chaturasra (a square). So, in Sri Chakra, even the last layer, which is a square, is counted as a bindu/vritta. Now, as you can see, the world (Shri Chakra) is nothing but the yoga or interaction between the Bindu and Trikona…. and in jyotish it is no different. Thanks for your time. Regards, Lakshmi Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 .. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Hari, There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it. The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama. It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this. Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during Dassera Regards, Lakshmi P.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste. > > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar. > > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels! > > regards > Hari > > > > > Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article .. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart.Om Gurave NamahNamaste Hari,There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it.The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama.It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this.Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during DasseraRegards,LakshmiP.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste.> > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar.> > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels!> > regards> Hari> > > > > Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. aArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article .. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart.Om Gurave NamahNamaste Hari,There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it.The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama.It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this.Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during DasseraRegards,LakshmiP.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste.> > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar.> > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels!> > regards> Hari> > > > > Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. aArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee, Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. Sample References: http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm I am sure you’d find many more on the web. Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on “Tirupati Charitram” or “A History of Tirupati”(English version), published by the TTD. Love and regards, LakshmiSwee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi,"The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial."From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's temple.When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya.From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is in Rahu's period.Please clear my doubts.love, Sweelakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart.Om Gurave NamahNamaste Hari,There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it.The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama.It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this.Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during DasseraRegards,LakshmiP.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste.> > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar.> > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels!> > regards> Hari> > > > > Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. aArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dear Swee (and Lakshmi), Venkatachala Mahatmya is given pretty elaborately in a huge section entittled "Venkatachala Mahatmya" in the Skanda Purana. This same volume alos contains the 2000 page section on the Purushottama Mahatmaya which is about Puri and Lord Jagannath. Best regards, Sarbani vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Swee, > > Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. > > According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. > > Sample References: > > http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php > > http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm > > > > I am sure you'd find many more on the web. > > > > Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on "Tirupati Charitram" or "A History of Tirupati"(English version), published by the TTD. > > > > Love and regards, > > Lakshmi > > > Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi, > > "The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial." > > From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's temple. > > When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. > I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya. > > From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is in Rahu's period. > > Please clear my doubts. > > love, Swee > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Gurudeva, > > > > I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! > > > > Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? > > > > Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. > > > > Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the "tattwa / nature /intention /specific power" of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji's vigraha is distinctive because of the huge "naamam" that hides half of His eyes and the entire "aagnya" chakra. The "netra darsanam" is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. > > > > And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. > > > > I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the "sword" factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. > > > > Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. > > > > Om Namo Naarayanaaya. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > ::Sri Guru:: > Dear Lakshmi > The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. > I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. > However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web Pages: http://srath.com > > > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article > > > > . Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your > chart. > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Hari, > > There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known > as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and > certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I > think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail > from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana > avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji > could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't > know about it. > > The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the > lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that > the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. > You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the > influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed > to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I > feel that He is more of Trivikrama. > > It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about > vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is > posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to > last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that > form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can > counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). > Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front > of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. > Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in > his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this. > > Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. > As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, > thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during Dassera > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > P.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no > doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina > first. > > > vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Namaste. > > > > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born > in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the > latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime > minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha > avatar. > > > > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite > sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that > {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana > nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is > Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a > mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the > spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I > accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this > Rahu connection! > > > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on > the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read > your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if > you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read > quite a few western novels! > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. > a > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Namaste Hari, Hari: I also would be grateful if you could explain your understanding of the difference between: Lord Venkateswara Lord Srinivasa and Padmalakshmi Lord Varahamurthy Lakshmi: Meaning of Venkateshwara: I would like to quote Nammalvar before I proceed (ref: Tirupathi charithram & Tirumala-Tirupathi kshetra mahaatmyam, both published by TTD) “sarva paapaani vem praahuh kata sthadhaahamutchyathe sarva papa dahoyasmaadvenkataadri rithyabhooth” the meaning is that “vem” indicates all sins, while the word “kata” burns away those sins, hence because the place has the ability to burn away all sins, the place is called “venkataadri”. Venkateshwara can mean both the ruler of venkataadri and also Maheshwara burning away the shad-ripu &sins of the bhaktas. Some other pundits also say that “vem” is the amrita beeja and “katam” signifies gold, so the Lord of Venkataachalam can bestow both aishwarya and moksha on the devotee. I leave it to you to figure out which planet(s) are capable of these functions. “kritethu Naarasimhobhuthrethaayaam Raghunandanah dwaapare Vaasudevascha kalou Venkata naayakah here the term Venkata Nayaka can refer to both Adi Varaha Murthy and Venkateshwara and if you apply the logic of Kalou Chandi Vinaayaka here, I am sure you’d know which planet signifies whom. Meaning of Srinivasa: I think “Shri” can be defined as “shreeyathe aashriyathe ithi Shri” roughly meaning that which can sustain and provide refuge is “Sri”. Hence the entire Universe would comprise Shri, and the One in which the Viswam resides is Srinivasa. At the time of Pralaya, the world is destroyed and the seeds of the creation are stored away in the Parabrahma for another cycle of creation after the pralaya. Hence Srinivasa can also mean The One in whom the world is stored at the time of destruction. This is called samhaara-kramam or the process of Recall and it is there even in Sri chakraaradhana. Please note that there is no separate consort of the Lord on Tirumala. She resides in Him, so Srinivasa, I feel, is the Parabrahma vaachakam. BTW, below the feet of the Lord there is a shat-kona chakra, comprising of one oordhwa trikona (male principle-Source) and one adho trikona (female principle-Shakti), confirming the stupendous power & poorna Parabrahma tattwa of the Lord. This shat-kona chakra is also symptomatic of the 6 attributes of “Bhagavan”. Perhaps that’s why Brahmotsavams are performed to the Lord during Dassera, because He is Mother too. Padmavathi devi, though married to the Lord, leads a separate existence, to be closer to the children, I guess, like we see in so many homes today. I think She remained at His feet, while He grew and grew and grew. I think you know that the entire Tirumala hill segment is a “salagrama”. I also want to tell you that on Thursday, the Lord is divested of his usual finery and is in austerity mode (like a brahmachari) and this process is called “sadalimpu” or loosening…to facilitate further expansion? Even if you consider Lord Venkateshwara as Kalki avatar, the avatar is depicted as a warrior riding on a horse or alternatively as a horse faced warrior. Sri Vishnu as Hayagreeva (horse faced – Ashwini nakshatra-celebrations during Aswayuja maasa) is Guru swaroopa. Infact, if you consider the last few avataras of the Lord, just before and during kaliyuga, as Krishna, Vyasa, Buddha, etc, He comes across as more of a Teacher than a warrior. What we need in Kaliyuga is Guru, one who can lead us to Light from darkness. Tamasoma jyotirgamaya. Lord Venkateshwara is indeed “That”, which gives the same meaning in English or Sankrit. Venkataadri samam sthaanam brahmaande naasti kinchana Venkatesa samo devo na bhootho na bhavishyathi Thanks Hari for giving me this great opportunity of thinking of the Lord. May He bless you. I think I'll stop the thread here. Regards, Lakshmi P.S: I think I already talked too much in general, and about Sri Varaha, in particular. I have this tendency to get carried away, despite a strongly disapproving Saturn in lagna!! Please refer to my other emails and links for more info on Sri Varaha. I think I answered all your queries by and large. Hari M <onlyhari > wrote: ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Lakshmi, I know that my question is too primitive and that is why I am asking you separately instead of asking Sanjay, for whom apparently, it is all childs play! It has to do with Sanskrit and the question is: Of the two dictums 'Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka' and 'Kalou Venkata Nayakasya', why is it that the first one refers to both Ra & Ke whereas the latter refers to Ra only? Secondly I understand from Sanjay's email that Varahamurthi is also referred to as Lord Venkatesvara whereas you insist that this should be Vamana. I am confused! regards Hari lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com Mail – CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee Try this link. http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vvh/vvhstl.html Twelve Puranas including the Brahmanda, Bhavishyottara, Skanda, Garuda, Padma, Markhandeya, Vamana and Varaha have glorified at length the greatness of the Supreme Lord at Tirumala. In fact, the Varaha Purana goes to the extent of saying that in the entire world there is no Divya Desha like Tiruvengadam and there is no God equal to the Lord in the serpent couch and further adds that there is no God or wealth or Kula Devatha (family Deity) or Parama Gathi (Highest goal) equal to Venkatachala. In the same Purana the term VENKATA is defined as SARVAPAPANI VEM PRAHUHU KATA i.e. "the place which burns up all sins." In the Vamana Purana, the passage AMRITA AISWARYA SAMATWAT VENKATADRI ITISMRITAHA, i.e., "Venkatadri is remembered as the place conferring wealth and immortality." Nammalwar, the most respected Sri Vaishnavite Alvar, in a psalm beginning with the words VEMKADANGAL, says that all the debts owed are cleared. In other words the Lord redeems all the sins and grants security and wellbeing. Venkataadri could be referred to as Krite vrishaadrim vakshyanthi thretaayaamanjanaachalam Dwaapare seshasailamtu kalou srivenkataachalam Naamaani yugabhedena sailasyaasya bhavanthi hi So, the names vrishaadri, anjanaachalam, seshasailam and venkataachalam all refer to Venkatadri. Regards, Lakshmi Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi,I checked the 2 vols. of Varaha Purana without avail. So the references must be from Skanda Purana. (Haven't the time to look them up.love,Sweelakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee, Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. Sample References: http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm I am sure you’d find many more on the web. Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on “Tirupati Charitram” or “A History of Tirupati”(English version), published by the TTD. Love and regards, LakshmiSwee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi,"The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial."From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's temple.When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya.From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is in Rahu's period.Please clear my doubts.love, Sweelakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart.Om Gurave NamahNamaste Hari,There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it.The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama.It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this.Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during DasseraRegards,LakshmiP.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste.> > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar.> > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels!> > regards> Hari> > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Lakshmi, I checked the 2 vols. of Varaha Purana without avail. So the references must be from Skanda Purana. (Haven't the time to look them up. love, Swee lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee, Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. Sample References: http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm I am sure you’d find many more on the web. Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on “Tirupati Charitram” or “A History of Tirupati”(English version), published by the TTD. Love and regards, Lakshmi Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi, "The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial." >From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's temple. When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya. >From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is in Rahu's period. Please clear my doubts. love, Swee lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article .. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Hari, There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it. The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama. It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this. Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during Dassera Regards, Lakshmi P.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste. > > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar. > > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels! > > regards > Hari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Dear Swee, I already send you a mail on this list regarding the chapter entittled Venkatachala Mahatmya in the Skanda Purana. A lot of information on Padmavati is also there. Sarbani vedic astrology, Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I checked the 2 vols. of Varaha Purana without avail. So the references > must be from Skanda Purana. (Haven't the time to look them up. > > love, > > Swee > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which > > the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. > > > > According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the > > western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of > > Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. > > > > Sample References: > > > > http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php > > > > http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm > > > > > > > > I am sure you'd find many more on the web. > > > > > > > > Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My > > inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on "Tirupati Charitram" > > or "A History of Tirupati"(English version), published by the TTD. > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > */Swee Chan <swee@c...>/* wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi, > > > > "The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when > > Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought > > permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped > > there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also > > expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no > > one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that > > unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the > > visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, > > had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial." > > > > From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga > > Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's > > temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's > > temple. > > > > When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi > > Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for > > 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. > > I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of > > Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya. > > > > From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is > > in Rahu's period. > > > > Please clear my doubts. > > > > love, Swee > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > >> Om Gurave Namah > >> > >> > >> > >> Namaste Gurudeva, > >> > >> > >> > >> I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with > >> a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. > >> What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification > >> from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up > >> the sky on this nearly new moon day! > >> > >> > >> > >> Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your > >> teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me > >> trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate > >> intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real > >> meaning of your words or were we miles off? > >> > >> > >> > >> Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills > >> (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, > >> it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit > >> to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, > >> you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story > >> given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the > >> Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was > >> already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave > >> permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa > >> stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. > >> Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before > >> worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri > >> Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala > >> hills from time immemorial. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking > >> pravachanams, repeatedly says that the "tattwa / nature > >> /intention /specific power" of the deity must be understood by > >> the study of the vigraha. Balaji's vigraha is distinctive > >> because of the huge "naamam" that hides half of His eyes and the > >> entire "aagnya" chakra. The "netra darsanam" is allowed only on > >> Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be > >> experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a > >> golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the > >> legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the > >> chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu > >> vigrahas. > >> > >> > >> > >> And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, > >> Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day > >> brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out > >> in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise > >> to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to > >> happen. > >> > >> > >> > >> I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the > >> basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama > >> (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the > >> "sword" factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could > >> be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as > >> you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they > >> all belong to Him, The Nameless One. > >> > >> > >> > >> Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully > >> wait for your corrections, because that would be great education > >> in itself, for the entire list. > >> > >> > >> > >> Om Namo Naarayanaaya. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lakshmi > >> > >> > >> */Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...>/* wrote: > >> > >> _*::Sri Guru::*_ > >> Dear Lakshmi > >> The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the > >> period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one > >> should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha > >> (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". > >> refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the > >> Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during > >> Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas > >> - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called > >> Venkatesvara Mahatmya. > >> I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. > >> However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every > >> avatar as well and you will get the results. > >> Best Wishes > >> Sanjay Rath > >> Web Pages: http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> > >> > >> > >> ----------------------- ---------------- > >> ** B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AM > >> *To:* vedic astrology > >> *Subject:* [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article > >> > >> > >> . Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on > >> your > >> chart. > >> > >> Om Gurave Namah > >> > >> Namaste Hari, > >> > >> There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is > >> also known > >> as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and > >> certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me > >> right, I > >> think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd > >> find a mail > >> from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara > >> represents Vamana > >> avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps > >> Guruji > >> could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I > >> wouldn't > >> know about it. > >> > >> The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha > >> of the > >> lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum > >> and that > >> the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's > >> idol. > >> You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, > >> as the > >> influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are > >> supposed > >> to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. > >> Hence, I > >> feel that He is more of Trivikrama. > >> > >> It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar > >> saying about > >> vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is > >> posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is > >> supposed to > >> last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is > >> that > >> form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can > >> counter the all pervasive influence of Kali > >> (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). > >> Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed > >> in front > >> of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali > >> episode. > >> Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His > >> feet in > >> his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch > >> for this. > >> > >> Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special > >> nakshatra. > >> As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola > >> nakshatra, > >> thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during > >> Dassera > >> > >> Regards, > >> Lakshmi > >> > >> P.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I > >> had no > >> doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru > >> dakshina > >> first. > >> > >> > >> vedic astrology, Hari M > >> <onlyhari> wrote: > >> > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > >> > > >> > Dear Lakshmi, > >> > > >> > Namaste. > >> > > >> > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar > >> ( born > >> in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )...in astro-lingo, > >> Jupiter!] > >> > > >> > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has > >> written in the > >> latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of > >> the Prime > >> minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore > >> Varaha > >> avatar. > >> > > >> > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for > >> quite > >> sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the > >> observation that > >> {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana > >> nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana > >> nakshatra is > >> Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is > >> this a > >> mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to > >> understand the > >> spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined > >> (and I > >> accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. > >> Again this > >> Rahu connection! > >> > > >> > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to > >> comment on > >> the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have > >> recently read > >> your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I > >> wonder if > >> you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must > >> have read > >> quite a few western novels! > >> > > >> > regards > >> > Hari > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 lakshmi ramesh wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Lakshmi, At least we concur the following: During a tamasic dasa, the avatar to be worshipped should be in satvic form. In the Varaha Purana, Durga who is KAtayAyanI and MAyA, born with a seperate body out of the primodial subtle state, come out of the river to save Indra, Agni, Yma, Nirriti, Varuna.......when they were all vanquished by the Asuras. The Devas hailed her as Goddess gayatri. Those who worship her Navami tithi will accomplish their desires. Navami day is presided by the Sun, the natural atma. Hence by paying obeisance to the Sun (Gayatri Namaskar) will naturally strengthen the weakness of a chart. There's more and I am sure you will elucidate. What say thou? love, Swee Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee Try this link. http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vvh/vvhstl.html Twelve Puranas including the Brahmanda, Bhavishyottara, Skanda, Garuda, Padma, Markhandeya, Vamana and Varaha have glorified at length the greatness of the Supreme Lord at Tirumala. In fact, the Varaha Purana goes to the extent of saying that in the entire world there is no Divya Desha like Tiruvengadam and there is no God equal to the Lord in the serpent couch and further adds that there is no God or wealth or Kula Devatha (family Deity) or Parama Gathi (Highest goal) equal to Venkatachala. In the same Purana the term VENKATA is defined as SARVAPAPANI VEM PRAHUHU KATA i.e. "the place which burns up all sins." In the Vamana Purana, the passage AMRITA AISWARYA SAMATWAT VENKATADRI ITISMRITAHA, i.e., "Venkatadri is remembered as the place conferring wealth and immortality." Nammalwar, the most respected Sri Vaishnavite Alvar, in a psalm beginning with the words VEMKADANGAL, says that all the debts owed are cleared. In other words the Lord redeems all the sins and grants security and wellbeing. Venkataadri could be referred to as Krite vrishaadrim vakshyanthi thretaayaamanjanaachalam Dwaapare seshasailamtu kalou srivenkataachalam Naamaani yugabhedena sailasyaasya bhavanthi hi So, the names vrishaadri, anjanaachalam, seshasailam and venkataachalam all refer to Venkatadri. Regards, Lakshmi Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Lakshmi, I checked the 2 vols. of Varaha Purana without avail. So the references must be from Skanda Purana. (Haven't the time to look them up. love, Swee lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee, Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. Sample References: http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm I am sure you’d find many more on the web. Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on “Tirupati Charitram” or “A History of Tirupati”(English version), published by the TTD. Love and regards, Lakshmi Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi, "The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial." >From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's temple. When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya. >From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is in Rahu's period. Please clear my doubts. love, Swee lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article .. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Hari, There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it. The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama. It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this. Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during Dassera Regards, Lakshmi P.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste. > > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar. > > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels! > > regards > Hari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee, Please excuse my delayed reply. Since it is Navaratri, I usually do not access the internet. I think it is widely known that Narayana is “Rasa Swaroopa. When I said “aapovai Vishnuh” I meant that Narayana is jala swaroopa and the birth of a lotus (with Brahma in it) from His navel and of Ganga from His feet attest to this. Infact the word Narayana itself means one who has Nara or water as “ayana”- as means of travel. The natural movement of water is downwards. Then perhaps it is not unnatural that usually it is either Vishnu or Mother who “come down” to protect and purify the earth. So, in the shat-kona I was talking about, the downward trikona is as applicable to Narayana as to Narayani. This is confirmed by the fact that in Astrology both are represented by Moon. Ofcourse, the upward movement is also represented by Vishu as per the saying “yagnyovai vishnu” here the term “yagnya” implying action, completing the celectial cycle of action & reaction. Mother is also described as “agni varnaam”. So saatwik worship is always good. Further Yaa Umaa saa swayam Vishnuh – Rudra hridayopanishad pum roopa Vishnu vigrahaa – Lalithopakhyanam vyakta sarvamayo vishnuh stree sangyo loka bhaavanah- Harivamsam (ref: “Ramachandra Prabhoo” by Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma) It is said “agni somatmakm jagat” that is, the tangible world is basically made up of fire and water. The other two tattwas of vaayu and prithvi tattwas are derived from these two. In astrology also, Saturn (vaayu tattwa) is the son of Sun and Mercury (prithvi tattwa) is the son of Moon. Whenever there is an interaction (or yoga –ruled by Jupiter)between agni and jala tattwas, great energy is released. Example: the birth of Subrahmanya in krittika. This can be applied to the concept of Gandanta also. Now, I am going to complicate matters by talking about the charkas, or energy points in one’s body. If you take the intersection of manipoora (agni) and swadhistana (jala) chakras, the great energy is released in the shape of Brahma-anda. If you take the association of Sun and Moon (two eyes) in the aagnya chakra, the energy is released in the shape of Brahma-jnana and if you take the sahasraara, where there is no difference between Sun and Moon and both are One, it is Brahma-ananda. The MahaMaaya is one of the deities ruling the Swaadhisthaana chakra, and this explains Her rising from the river, and Her inherent purity. For defeating the Mahishaasura (symbolic of impurity, gross ignorance & depression), purity alone is not enough. She would need the power of fire & Light to burn away the avidya, hence the invocation to the Sun. Perhaps, this signifies the practice of kundlini vidya, the awakening of chaitanya shakti or immense yogic power. I have a feeling that offering of “arghyam” (water) to Sun & gayatri mantra japa during the sandhyas also reflect this idea. BTW, I have read in various books, people assigning either Mrigasira or Poorvashadha nakshatra to Her. Either way, you can see the fire-water connection. Durga is also supposed to be the specific female version of Sri Rama, “Sankha chakra dhanurbaanaan dhaarayantheem trilochanaam doorvadala nibhaam vande Durgaam durgati naashineem “ I am sure you know the significance of Navami in the chart and life of Sri Rama, the Sun avatara. The celebration of Vasanta navaratri strengthens this opinion. Rama was also known to defeat Ravana only after worshipping Sun through “Aditya Hridayam”. Coincidentally the sage who advised Rama about Aditya Hridayam and the sage who received & disseminated “Lalitha Sahasranaamam” is one and the same, Agasthya (the aquarian?)! The eight days from padyami to Ashtami signify the maturing of the embryo. These 8 days also indicate 8 aavaranas of the Sri Chakra and assimilation of the energies of each aavarana and the respective presiding deities on each day. The number 9 as I think I already said earlier indicates fullness/ripeness. On 9th day, the 9th aavarana is that of Bindu (Sun -Shiva), wherein Mother is worshipped as Tripura Sundari, the Paraa shakti and it is this integrated Power & Joy of the entire Cosmos that killed Mahishaasura. Regards, Lakshmi P.S: Statutory warning: My reasoning comes with umpteen loopholes :--))Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: lakshmi ramesh wrote:Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi,At least we concur the following:During a tamasic dasa, the avatar to be worshipped should be in satvic form. In the Varaha Purana, Durga who is KAtayAyanI and MAyA, born with a seperate body out of the primodial subtle state, come out of the river to save Indra, Agni, Yma, Nirriti, Varuna.......when they were all vanquished by the Asuras.The Devas hailed her as Goddess gayatri. Those who worship her Navami tithi will accomplish their desires. Navami day is presided by the Sun, the natural atma. Hence by paying obeisance to the Sun (Gayatri Namaskar) will naturally strengthen the weakness of a chart. There's more and I am sure you will elucidate.What say thou?love,Swee Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee Try this link. http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vvh/vvhstl.html Twelve Puranas including the Brahmanda, Bhavishyottara, Skanda, Garuda, Padma, Markhandeya, Vamana and Varaha have glorified at length the greatness of the Supreme Lord at Tirumala. In fact, the Varaha Purana goes to the extent of saying that in the entire world there is no Divya Desha like Tiruvengadam and there is no God equal to the Lord in the serpent couch and further adds that there is no God or wealth or Kula Devatha (family Deity) or Parama Gathi (Highest goal) equal to Venkatachala. In the same Purana the term VENKATA is defined as SARVAPAPANI VEM PRAHUHU KATA i.e. "the place which burns up all sins." In the Vamana Purana, the passage AMRITA AISWARYA SAMATWAT VENKATADRI ITISMRITAHA, i.e., "Venkatadri is remembered as the place conferring wealth and immortality." Nammalwar, the most respected Sri Vaishnavite Alvar, in a psalm beginning with the words VEMKADANGAL, says that all the debts owed are cleared. In other words the Lord redeems all the sins and grants security and wellbeing. Venkataadri could be referred to as Krite vrishaadrim vakshyanthi thretaayaamanjanaachalam Dwaapare seshasailamtu kalou srivenkataachalam Naamaani yugabhedena sailasyaasya bhavanthi hi So, the names vrishaadri, anjanaachalam, seshasailam and venkataachalam all refer to Venkatadri. Regards, Lakshmi Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi,I checked the 2 vols. of Varaha Purana without avail. So the references must be from Skanda Purana. (Haven't the time to look them up.love,Sweelakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Swee, Sri Venkatachala Mahatmya is referred to in several Puranas, of which the most important are the Varaha Purana and the Bhavishyottara Purana. According to the Varaha Purana, Adi Varaha manifested Himself on the western bank of the Swami Pushkarini, while Vishnu in the form of Venkateswara came to reside on the southern bank of the Swami Pushkarini. Sample References: http://www.tirumala-tirupati.com/plc_tirumala.php http://www.tirumala.org/ptv_tm_varaha.htm I am sure you’d find many more on the web. Rahu is assigned to Sri Varaha avatar by Sage Parasara himself. My inference to Sri Balaji as Sri Vamana is based on “Tirupati Charitram” or “A History of Tirupati”(English version), published by the TTD. Love and regards, LakshmiSwee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sanjayji and Smt. Lakshmi,"The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial."From which Purana is this story? I heard your story from Gauranga Das and we followed your instructions by visiting Sri Varaha's temple first before Sri Venkateshwara's and lastly, Padmavati's temple.When I was in Puri, someone adviced me that I should have Chandi Path and puja done as my Rahu is debilitated. I had this done for 2 others and so far, they has been no change to these people's lives. I have also enquired from Visti whom the Vaisnava equivalent of Chandi is and was told that it is Dattatreya.From what I gather here, Chandi puja is offered only when one is in Rahu's period.Please clear my doubts.love, Sweelakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day! Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off? Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial. Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas. And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to happen. I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to Him, The Nameless One. Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire list. Om Namo Naarayanaaya. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ::Sri Guru:: Dear Lakshmi The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya. I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas. However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and you will get the results. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Web Pages: http://srath.com B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:04 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article. Anyway, I'll check more and revert to you with comments on your chart.Om Gurave NamahNamaste Hari,There is a Varaha Murthy also on Tirumala Hills, which is also known as Varaha Kshetram. So, Rahu represents that Varaha Murthy and certainly not Lord Venkateshwara. If my memory serves me right, I think if you search the archives of Vedic-astrology you'd find a mail from Sarbani quoting Guruji that Lord Venkateshwara represents Vamana avatar and Lord Jagannath represents Nrisimha avatar. Perhaps Guruji could have revised his opinion after more introspection. I wouldn't know about it.The opinion of the poojaris of the temple is that the vigraha of the lord extends even below the floor of the sanctum sanctorum and that the archaka can often hear the sound of water near the Lord's idol. You must also know that no aircraft can fly above Tirumala, as the influence of the Lord and the congregation of Gods who are supposed to reside on the Hills is supposed to extend much upwards. Hence, I feel that He is more of Trivikrama.It is said "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". There is a similar saying about vinayaka, who is represented by Ketu+Jupiter. Since, the Lord is posited in Varaha khestra and the sway of the Lord is supposed to last till the end of Sweta Varaha kalpa, I think the Lord is that form of Jupiter (maraka for the signs of saturn), who alone can counter the all pervasive influence of Kali (Capricorn/Saturn/Rahu). Hair = false ego (Saturn/rahu) is symbolically sacrificed in front of Him, so it is a sort of re-enactment of Vamana & Bali episode. Annamayya often refers to the Lord as guru and eulogises His feet in his sankeertanas and i am sure our Telugu friends can vouch for this.Sravana nakshatra is ruled by Vishnu and is a very special nakshatra. As far as I know, Goddess Saraswathi was born in Moola nakshatra, thus Saraswathi pooja is held on moola nakshatra day during DasseraRegards,LakshmiP.S: I did know the meaning of "adios" when I said it and I had no doubt that Sanjayji knew it also. But i have to give guru dakshina first. vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Lakshmi, > > Namaste.> > [sanjayji also opines that He represents the Vamana Avatar ( born in Sravana nakshatra like Sri Vamana )…in astro-lingo, Jupiter!] > > Are you sure about this? Sanjay told me and also has written in the latest issue of Jyotish Digest (on the swearing-in chart of the Prime minister) that Lord Srinivasa represents Rahu and therefore Varaha avatar.> > About Sravana nakshatra, I have been pondering on this for quite sometime and the root of this thinking lies in the observation that {my} atmakaraka (Mars) and Rahu are both posited in Sravana nakshatra...I read that one of the deities for Sravana nakshatra is Goddess Saraswathi and I was born on Saraswathi Pooja day. Is this a mere coincidence? This is what I have been trying to understand the spiritual dimensions of this observation...Narasimha opined (and I accept) that {my} istadevata is Srinivasa & PadmaLakshmi. Again this Rahu connection! > > I think that you have my chart and so I request you to comment on the spiritual dimensions of this observation...I have recently read your mails on Vishnu Purana in the forum and I wonder if you knew that 'Adios' is spanish for good bye...Sanjay must have read quite a few western novels!> > regards> Hari> > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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