2nd house Jup in various roles--to Chandrashekhar on Ashtakvarg

September 20, 2004

Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi

Pardon me for my intervention.

I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga.

1) It seems that you have used Parasaras scheme of BAV. With

Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in Ramesh's 7th house.

2) For nodes are we know are not planets. They are used indirectly.

They are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra lord. For natural

nature as you have said or quoted in numerious posts Rahu is like

Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally they will be more like the

planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord as per the points they

receive in their BAV. For example, if Rahu is in Gemini and nak of

punarvasu then it will represent Me and Ju. If say Ge is 3rd house

and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me gets say 6 bindus then Rahu

will act more like Mercury.

3) With regards to your comment on Ashtakavarg not using sign

placement is not entirely correct. If used with a proper system the

sign placement can give idea on quantum of result and its not used to

find timing of result. For timing of result Ashtakvarg, SAV and

total strength of planets derived from SAV is good enough to time

results effectively.

Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is available in texts today is not

complete and may lead to confusion.

Ashtakvarg system used is an effective tool in timing of events.

A couple of points on Ramesh's chart.

1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 consecutive zeroes one given by

Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th.

2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to bestow authority to Ramesh and

also for acquisition of wealth. Between 1997/04 thru 1999/10 Ramesh

might have been given a role of responsibility. Also a good time to

make investments and accumulation of wealth. Lakshami can verify

this antra.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Lakshmi,

> I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord of the 9th is it not? He

not

> only associates a Kendra Lord but is also is in kendra being a

trine

> lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna aspecting Lagna, besides

being

> placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the other hand is Lord of 2nd and

11th

> in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would certainly treat Saturn as

more

> powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna Jupiter appears to be with

> greater strength. But there too he is only a Kendra Lord in Kendra

> associating a trine lord. Since we are talking about 7th house

would it

> not be right to look at the Navamsha strengths of the planets,

before

> coming to conclusion about 7th house? If we look at Ashtaka Varga

then

> SAV would rather prove my view point as it shows 7th house with 19

> points. Personally I give more weightage to Natal chart read with

> Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do not consider effects of

nodes ,

> neither do they consider house ownership or Rasi occupation

> weightage.Your opinion would be appreciated.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> lakshmi ramesh wrote:

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> >

> > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona.

Please

> > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered

to

> > protect the house, based on both strength and functionality,

Jupiter

> > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and

in

> > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana

rakshati

> > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in

own

> > house.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > lakshmi ramesh wrote:

> >

> >> Om Gurave Namah

> >>

> >> Namaste Pradeep ji,

> >>

> >> I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th

and

> >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with

great

> >> knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare

> >> inner harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the

finest

> >> individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached

to

> >> his family and mother and there are no problems what so ever

on

> >> the home front. This individual is highly esteemed in his

work

> >> environment and has all the comforts one could desire.

Infact,

> >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is

> >> good for the general health & happiness of the person.

> >>

> >> The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my

own

> >> dear husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20

> >> years. My husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.

> >>

> >> I am posting the charts here.

> >>

> >> I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to

> >> whom you were referring in your post, for our edification and

> >> discussion.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Lakshmi

> >>

> >> */vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >>

> >> I have been trying to test the principles taught by you

> >> related to

> >> guru in various bhavas.

> >>

> >> When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even

when

> >> in own

> >> sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

> >>

> >> When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in

own

> >> sign some

> >> physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

> >>

> >> Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

> >>

> >> Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while

> >> transiting

> >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra

is

> >> beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only

2nd,5th,7th

> >> and 9th

> >> are favourable.11th being good for all planets in

general.

> >>

> >> Respect

> >> Pradeep

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> >> <boxdel>

> >> wrote:

> >> > Dear Anuj,

> >> > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in

your

> >> message

> >> to

> >> > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to

astrologers.

> >> There are

> >> many

> >> > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity

of the

> >> dictum, I

> >> > have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> >> > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

> >> Benefic/Malefic

> >> > with the results a planet is likely to give. This

happens more

> >> with

> >> > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with

Deeksha

> >> Guru as

> >> his

> >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget

Parashara

> >> telling

> >> when

> >> > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good

and

> >> pious

> >> > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal

feelings and

> >> prejudices

> >> > apart from application of astrological principles.

> >> > Take care,

> >> > Chandrashekhar.

> >> >

> >> > nameisego wrote:

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> >> > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most

Guru

> >> in age

> >> and

> >> > > experience in this group.

> >> > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> >> > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an

article on "

> >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was

shown

> >> Guru's

> >> > > position in various houses which had been

> >> destroyed/troubled by

> >> Guru.

> >> > >

> >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> >> > > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> >> > >

> >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read

for

> >> yourself and

> >> > > check the examples that were given.

> >> > >

> >> > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter

sucks the

> >> goodness

> >> > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects.

Saturn

> >> sucks the

> >> > > houses he aspects and increases the house it

occupies.

> >> > >

> >> > > Tatvam-Asi

> >> > >

> >> > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> >> <pnrazdan>

> >> > > wrote:

> >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >> > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against

Jupiter

> >> still

> >> > > further.

> >> > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is

a

> >> designated as a

> >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle

of

> >> "Karka

> >> Bhavo

> >> > > Nasa"

> >> > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is

> >> placed in.

> >> Why

> >> > > this

> >> > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing

in Vedic

> >> > > Astrology

> >> > > > (in lighter vein).

> >> > > >

> >> > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not

> >> given by

> >> you. But

> >> > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It

always

> >> speaks

> >> of

> >> > > the

> >> > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even

> >> said, that

> >> > > howsoever

> >> > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help

the

> >> subject. And

> >> > > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> >> > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more

hardwork for

> >> convincing

> >> > > all

> >> > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly

Brahiman. This

> >> would

> >> > > even

> >> > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> >> > > > Pran Razdan

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> >> > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what

> >> Shubhangi had

> >> asked.

> >> > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a

dictum

> >> given

> >> by

> >> > > sages

> >> > > > > and

> >> > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the

reason. If one

> >> wants to

> >> > > > > find

> >> > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural

zodiac

> >> Leo is

> >> in

> >> > > 5th

> >> > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to

Karaka Bhava

> >> Dasha. In

> >> > > > > 11th

> >> > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter

who is

> >> Shubha

> >> > > there.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths

> >> considered but

> >> not

> >> > > as

> >> > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be

preferred in

> >> Leo for

> >> > > > > Muhurta,

> >> > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related

> >> configurations),It may

> >> > > not

> >> > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily

(generally

> >> speaking).

> >> > > In

> >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is

considered bad.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have

directional

> >> strength

> >> > > to

> >> > > > > > initiate for results.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > There must be more than this reason, for

jupiter to

> >> give

> >> > > negative

> >> > > > > > results.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> >> > > > > <boxdel>

> >> > > > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> >> > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter

looses his

> >> > > strength in

> >> > > > > > Leo

> >> > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for

> >> marriages when

> >> > > Jupiter

> >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha.

That

> >> is due

> >> to

> >> > > the

> >> > > > > > fact of

> >> > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun

> >> being in

> >> own

> >> > > Rasi

> >> > > > > > makes

> >> > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with

> >> Father. But

> >> I

> >> > > would

> >> > > > > > say he

> >> > > > > > > would not follow father's profession.

> >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but

I am

> >> curious

> >> to

> >> > > know

> >> > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength

in leo

> >> and

> >> hence

> >> > > this

> >> > > > > > email.

> >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's

case also.

> >> > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no

> >> doubt he

> >> is very

> >> > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in

academics

> >> and yes,

> >> he

> >> > > did

> >> > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.

> >> > > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason

to

> >> be the

> >> > > > > positioning

> >> > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to

know

> >> why jup

> >> > > losses

> >> > > > > > strength in leo.

> >> > > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in

8th, both

> >> father

> >> > > and

> >> > > > > > son shares good relation with each other.

> >> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> >> > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it

not?

> >> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses

> >> strength

> >> in Leo.

> >> > > > > Any

> >> > > > > > problems

> >> > > > > > > >>>>in education?

> >> > > > > > > >>>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and

> >> failed.

> >> That

> >> > > was in

> >> > > > > > 1986-87, my

> >> > > > > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I

get

> >> Vimshottari

> >> > > Ven-

> >> > > > > > Rahu-Jup and

> >> > > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>Yours,

> >> > > > > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,

> >> > > > > > > >>>Jyotishi

> >> > > > > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com

> >> <http://www.radhadesh.com/>

> >> > > > > > >

>>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

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September 21, 2004

Dear Ash,

Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks strength, is it not? Saturn there

however extends protection. By the way I am not aware of any

Ashtakavarga system which gives differential value of Bindus/Rekhas

based on Lagna of a native or placement of a planet in a Rasi, aspects

received by it and association with other planets. May I know to which

system you are referring to and the weightage for these factors given

in that system by increasing or reducing the Bindus/Rekhas.

If you are talking about using other parameters in association with

Ashtakavarga then of course that is a different matter and would not

constitute different system than Parashara.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

ashsam73 wrote: