2- & Venkat...2/6.... Free will, karma and moksha

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I find this /and other/ statements too vague and broad-

"I find that all possibilities are possible through each planet.you said.. Come on,

which world are you talking about?- I do appreciate 'humanistic' astrology, but

its not about vagueness and extreme relativisation of everything, which ends up

with not knowing - anything. Plese don't feel insulted, but statements like this

just bring 'bad press' to 'humanistic' astrology' and are of no practical

relevance.

I appreciate a poet in you, but not in 'hard fact' area, LOL!Best regards,

AnnaMark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Venkat:I find that all possibilities are possible through each planet.The

key is deciphering and learning how to get more in-tune with thatPlanet.Saturn

is hard only because we don't know how to get in-tune with him.We live in a

vata deranged world where rest and rejuvenation and saturn'snatural shiva

silence is not followed.But, each step that you take towards Saturn. In

humility and surrender,Saturn is appeased and pleased.Study the positive

significations of Saturn and then aspire to be morein-tune with

those...Rest,rejuvenation,study the cyles of Nature,like the Moon cycle, for

example...As I've watched that for years now, and then learned how to follow

theflowings of that cycle, I could sense that Saturn was happier.Saturn means

the integrative part of us,

between silence and activity...so meditation,yoga,pranayama, Ayurved!many things

promote stronger Saturn....The way you'll be able to tell that your Saturn's

getting more balanced...is the negative, malefic signs of it...will start

diminishing...Good luck....I have Saturn sliding through my 9th house, right

now...and normally itwould have been more malefic, but since I've been desiring

that my Saturntoo becomes more benefic,....even this transit is bringing me some

great experiences...of the 9th housevariety...Take careMark KincaidPS....I don't

know if you've heard, but I also write a Jyotish newsletter.It includes a daily,

Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotishas well. If you, or

anyone else in this group is interested, insubscribing, feel free to contact me

personally at: m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Andthe newsletter is

free.> "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry >> Fri, 06

Feb 2004 14:58:12 -0000> vedic astrology> Subject:

2-[vedic astrology] & Mukund....2/5.... Re: Free will, karma and> moksha> >

Dear Prashant, > > Ah, I wish I was blessed with Jupiter and Saturn conjuction

to> obtain the Brahma Yoga! My Saturn is in Jupiter's Rasi (Pisces), in> the

9th house of Dharma, so maybe I will have some slight glimpse of> this

knowledge sometime in this lifetime! I hope so, I really hope> so. > > That was

a great link, thanks for sending it out.> > Venkat> > --- In

vedic astrology, prashant narang> <prashantnarang>

wrote:>> dear mark,>> that was really wonderful !!>> those 3kind of karmas r

drida(fixed), adridha(not

fixed),> dridadrdha( semi fixed).>> jupiter & saturn conjunction makes brahma

yoga which gives> knowledge of life /creation.>> >> & mukund , here is a link

for u, this might b helpful>> http://spiritualseven.org/art_karma.htm>> >>

regards>> prashant>> >> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:>> Dear Mukund &

All:>> >> >> >> >> >> Wow.... you're way jumping to the wrong conclusions

here...>> >> Let me first say that you're mixing up destiny with something

that> can't be>> changed. Even Vedic science...which comes from Lord

Krishna..>> >> says...that there are basically 3 areas of karmas that can be>

changed....>> >> Some that are more easy, others that are

more difficult and still> others>> that are the most difficult.>> >>

However,.... you make one good point that.... destiny doesn't mean> lack of>>

free will.>> >> Destiny means karma that we've produced from the past.>> >> As

such we're meant to understand and grow through and with our> past karmas>> to

evolve in the present and the future.>> >> If there was no choice..there would

be no joy, we would be like> robots...>> >> If you're going to define destiny

as what happens...then nothing> can be>> changed... but... the whole universe

is not the destiny of the> lord...>> he's not a slave to something...>> >> It

came out beautifully.... profoundly wrapped in eternal freedom.>> >> Man, who

was born in God's image, means...born with the ability to>

reflect>> his own divine, Cosmic, enlightened...consciousness....>> >> and at

every step along that path.... we have the potential to> express more>> and

more freedom....of life...>> >> I think you're mixing up the will of

God...destiny and man's will> and>> choices...>> >> What we are living...is

both God's will and our will.>> >> It is 'we' who have chosen these actions and

as a result produced> these>> consequences....>> >> God is within,...the

ultimate source.... but... it's dangerous to> assume>> that God is the

author...and we are not...>> >> God may be the ultimate source... but we are

participating in that> adventure>> and karma is all about actions haveing been

done in the past...>> >> go out into the universe....striking every bit of

the> creation...and then>> coming back...>> >> We do have and it's very

important that we view our choices as our> choices.>> >> We need to take

responsibility..... and in responsibility we grasp> the power>> to make any

change ...that is possible.>> >> In the west we say, after Lord Christ... if

your faith was as> great as you>> bunyan seed.... you could move mountains...>>

>> Well, in the east they have similar expressions....>> >> That man's

Consciounsess is indeed unbounded...>> and the more that we reflect that

unbounded potential of> consciounsess...>> we will gain the ability...>> to do

anything, to accomplish everything...>> >> We should think how great is a man's

nature and potential...and> not limit>> ourselves or our thinkings...as we're

understanding...>> the power of destiny or fate...>> >> And finally....Saturn

rules our fate or destiny....>> and yet...>> Jupiter rules faith and

freedom....>> >> >> Both planets together...make life...>> >> >> >> take care>>

>> >> >> >> Mark Kincaid>> >> >> >> >> >>> "monmuk111" <monmuk111>>>>

Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:59:01 -0000>>> vedic astrology>>>

[vedic astrology] Re: Free will, karma and moksha>>> >>> Hello

Siva:>>> >>> I've asked these same questions over and over and over again

and>>> yours is the best reply I've ever received.>>> >>> No Jyotisha can make

a

prediction, if they can, itdefeats the> purpose>>> of destiny created by Lord

Brahma (the creator) when we're born.>>> >>> Even if some Jyotisha makes a

prediction, theprediction itself> cannot>>> CHANGE the destiny nor the actual

manifestation destiny of that>>> individual as only Lord Vishnu/Krishna (the

operator) can decide> how>>> the destiny will manifest itself through

ourmundane lives.>>> >>> And, even if some Jyotisha figured out a way to change

destiny or>>> change the means by with destiny manifest itself, NO Jyotisha

can>>> change the will of Lord Mahesh/Siva (the destroyer) as ALL living>>>

beings have to die/destruct and the cycle of life and birth> continues.>>> >>>

To conclude, Jyotish CANNOT change the destiny of a person AND>>> Jyotish

CANNOT change the

way destiny manifest itself.>>> >>> It is useless to run after Jyotishs and

"Godmen/Godwomen" as it>>> accomplishes NOTHING except temorary hopes of "raj

yog" and "this>>> yog" and "that yog" that thes Jyothish/Godmen/women predict

until>>> the individual realizes that destiny is unpredictable and EVEN>

MORE,>>> if destiny could be predicted, it cannot be changed.>>> >>> So people,

forget all this mumbo-jumbo about navamsha chart, hora>>> chart, trishamsa

chart, this chart, that chart and all the> million>>> other charts that these

Jyotish invent as these charts CHANGE> NOTHING.>>> >>> Lord Krishna told us to

perform righteous karma in fulfilling our>>> dharma towards our spouses, kids,

parents, society, etc. and> that is>>> all that we need to do--perform

righteous Karma to

fulfill our> dharma>>> AND forget all these Jyotishis and God-people.>>> >>>

Mukund>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> vedic astrology, "schinnas">

<schinnas>>>> wrote:>>>> Dear Sharada-ji,>>>> >>>> Though this question is

not for me, let me venture in with my>>>> opinions.>>>> >>>> Questions (1), (2)

and (3) can (and should) be properly> explained>>>> only by self-realized a.k.a

Sat Gurus. If you cannot find one in>>>> person, you should read books by one.

You can try books in plain>>>> language from the Maths of Bagavan Ramana

Maharishi, Ramakrishna>>>> Paramahamsa, Mahavatar Babaji, Divine Life Society

(Swami>>>> Sivananda), Sringeri or Kanchi math, etc.

There are many living>>>> SatGurus in India (and probably elsewhere in the world

aswell),> and>>>> if your desire for SatGuru is deep enough, you will>

automatically>>>> find a Guru either in person or through His' teachings.>>>>

>>>> Jyotish (astrology) is an apara-vidya like ayurveda (medicine)> or>>>>

Vyakarana (grammer). Jyotish is mundane knowledge - not the>>>> transendental

knowledge of Self and may not even be needed for>>>> anyone that surrenders

oneself totally to God. However, Jyotish>>> does >>>> have its own application

in life as any other apara-vidya.>>>> >>>> For one indulging in agamic

(ritualistic) worship and performing>>>> vedic karmas, knowledge of Jyotish is

needed to perform the> various>>>> pujas/rituals at the

appropriate time.>>>> >>>> regards,>>>> -Siva.>>>> >>>> --- In

vedic astrology, "shar1904"> <shar1904>>>>> wrote:>>>>>

Dear Narasimha Rao ji/ Pt. Sanjay Rath ji,>>>>> >>>>> I read the article on

Chara karaka(Sanjay Rath) on this site> and>>>> have >>>>> a few questions

related to it. Could you please help?>>>>> >>>>> 1. Is the exercise of Free

will the main cause of karma and> human>>>>> suffering ?>>>>> 2. Can one attain

moksha faster by surrendering one's free will>>>> and >>>>> submitting to divine

will?>>>>> 3. How do you put (2) into actual practice? We have to make>>>>

decisions

>>>>> everyday. Is it really possible to give up free will?>>>>> 4. If (2) and

(3) are indeed possible, what is the relevance of>>>>> jyotish as a science in

this context?>>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your time.>>>>> Sharada.>>> >>> >>> >>>

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Hello Mark and other believers in astrology:

 

You talk about "possiblities through each planet." How can a planet

millions and millons of light years away affect the lives of a human

being here on Earth.

 

There is nothing on these planets except dust and/or thick sheets of

ice. How can these have ANY effect on a human being?

 

How can chanting mantras have any effect on a planet millions of

miles away. Most mantras involve making ridiculous sounds from one's

mouth while sitting in front of a picture or a stone idol? These

planets appear human like in the pictures(Rahu with a Black, angry

face and big moustche, Jupiter with a handsom face with no moustace--

does this mean Jupiter shaves and Rahu doesn't?). Why don't we

worship before a REAL picture of Jupiter or Saturn where they look

ROUND with astroid mark all over them.

 

How about real pictures of Rahu and Ketu??? Well, Rahu and Ketu

are "pretend planets" so they won't have a real picture. And, if R&K

are "pretend planets," then why do they have a Mahadasa? -- Do you

guys realize how irrational this sound?

 

How can wearing planetary stones have any effect on one's life or how

can it affect the planet itself????? Do you realize how ridiculous

the planetary stones are???? Jupiter looks yellowish red from Earth,

but the acutal color of Jupiter is same as the color of dust in any

other planet SO why is a YELLOW stone prescribed to FIX Jupiter

problems when the REAL color of Jupite isn't really yellow?

 

Moon just appears WHITE, but the real color of MOON is brown so why

is a white pearl prescribed to FIX Moon problems, why isn't a BROWN

colored stone worn for Moon when Brown is its real color?

 

How about the deaded sade-sati? How can world's 3/12 population just

began to have the wrost time of their life ALL AT THE SAME TIME? And

how can wearing of an iron ring or making ridiculous sounding noises

from one's mouth in form of mantras APEASE an INANIMATE planet of

dust and ice a million light years away?

 

Planets control nothing, planets harms nobody, planets help nobody.

And, it they do then how are we going to account for millions and

millions of other planets (in addition to the 7 known)in the galaxy.

 

And, Moon isn't even a planet, it is a sattelite of the Earth. And,

how about the satellites of Jupiter--lots of them? Which Gods do they

represent? are they malefic or benefic?

 

So people, forget this mumbo-jumbo about planet controlling your

live. You are the maker and the breaker of your own destiny--work

hard, live righteous and forget about these planets and Jyothishas.

 

Mukund

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

wrote:

> Dear Venkat:

>

>

>

> I find that all possibilities are possible through each planet.

>

> The key is deciphering and learning how to get more in-tune with

that

> Planet.

>

> Saturn is hard only because we don't know how to get in-tune with

him.

>

> We live in a vata deranged world where rest and rejuvenation and

saturn's

> natural shiva silence is not followed.

>

> But, each step that you take towards Saturn. In humility and

surrender,

> Saturn is appeased and pleased.

>

> Study the positive significations of Saturn and then aspire to be

more

> in-tune with those...

>

> Rest,

> rejuvenation,

> study the cyles of Nature,

> like the Moon cycle, for example...

> As I've watched that for years now, and then learned how to follow

the

> flowings of that cycle, I could sense that Saturn was happier.

>

> Saturn means the integrative part of us, between silence and

activity...

> so meditation,

> yoga,

> pranayama,

> Ayurved!

> many things promote stronger Saturn....

>

> The way you'll be able to tell that your Saturn's getting more

balanced...

> is the negative, malefic signs of it...will start diminishing...

>

> Good luck....

>

> I have Saturn sliding through my 9th house, right now...and

normally it

> would have been more malefic, but since I've been desiring that my

Saturn

> too becomes more benefic,....

>

> even this transit is bringing me some great experiences...of the

9th house

> variety...

>

>

> Take care

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> PS....I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a Jyotish

newsletter.

> It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects

of Jyotish

> as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

> subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid@m...

And

> the newsletter is free.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry>

> > Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:58:12 -0000

> > vedic astrology

> > 2-[vedic astrology] & Mukund....2/5.... Re: Free will,

karma and

> > moksha

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > Ah, I wish I was blessed with Jupiter and Saturn conjuction to

> > obtain the Brahma Yoga! My Saturn is in Jupiter's Rasi (Pisces),

in

> > the 9th house of Dharma, so maybe I will have some slight glimpse

of

> > this knowledge sometime in this lifetime! I hope so, I really hope

> > so.

> >

> > That was a great link, thanks for sending it out.

> >

> > Venkat

> >

> > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > <prashantnarang> wrote:

> >> dear mark,

> >> that was really wonderful !!

> >> those 3kind of karmas r drida(fixed), adridha(not fixed),

> > dridadrdha( semi fixed).

> >> jupiter & saturn conjunction makes brahma yoga which gives

> > knowledge of life /creation.

> >>

> >> & mukund , here is a link for u, this might b helpful

> >> http://spiritualseven.org/art_karma.htm

> >>

> >> regards

> >> prashant

> >>

> >> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> >> Dear Mukund & All:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Wow.... you're way jumping to the wrong conclusions here...

> >>

> >> Let me first say that you're mixing up destiny with something

that

> > can't be

> >> changed. Even Vedic science...which comes from Lord Krishna..

> >>

> >> says...that there are basically 3 areas of karmas that can be

> > changed....

> >>

> >> Some that are more easy, others that are more difficult and still

> > others

> >> that are the most difficult.

> >>

> >> However,.... you make one good point that.... destiny doesn't

mean

> > lack of

> >> free will.

> >>

> >> Destiny means karma that we've produced from the past.

> >>

> >> As such we're meant to understand and grow through and with our

> > past karmas

> >> to evolve in the present and the future.

> >>

> >> If there was no choice..there would be no joy, we would be like

> > robots...

> >>

> >> If you're going to define destiny as what happens...then nothing

> > can be

> >> changed... but... the whole universe is not the destiny of the

> > lord...

> >> he's not a slave to something...

> >>

> >> It came out beautifully.... profoundly wrapped in eternal

freedom.

> >>

> >> Man, who was born in God's image, means...born with the ability

to

> > reflect

> >> his own divine, Cosmic, enlightened...consciousness....

> >>

> >> and at every step along that path.... we have the potential to

> > express more

> >> and more freedom....of life...

> >>

> >> I think you're mixing up the will of God...destiny and man's will

> > and

> >> choices...

> >>

> >> What we are living...is both God's will and our will.

> >>

> >> It is 'we' who have chosen these actions and as a result produced

> > these

> >> consequences....

> >>

> >> God is within,...the ultimate source.... but... it's dangerous to

> > assume

> >> that God is the author...and we are not...

> >>

> >> God may be the ultimate source... but we are participating in

that

> > adventure

> >> and karma is all about actions haveing been done in the past...

> >>

> >> go out into the universe....striking every bit of the

> > creation...and then

> >> coming back...

> >>

> >> We do have and it's very important that we view our choices as

our

> > choices.

> >>

> >> We need to take responsibility..... and in responsibility we

grasp

> > the power

> >> to make any change ...that is possible.

> >>

> >> In the west we say, after Lord Christ... if your faith was as

> > great as you

> >> bunyan seed.... you could move mountains...

> >>

> >> Well, in the east they have similar expressions....

> >>

> >> That man's Consciounsess is indeed unbounded...

> >> and the more that we reflect that unbounded potential of

> > consciounsess...

> >> we will gain the ability...

> >> to do anything, to accomplish everything...

> >>

> >> We should think how great is a man's nature and potential...and

> > not limit

> >> ourselves or our thinkings...as we're understanding...

> >> the power of destiny or fate...

> >>

> >> And finally....Saturn rules our fate or destiny....

> >> and yet...

> >> Jupiter rules faith and freedom....

> >>

> >>

> >> Both planets together...make life...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> take care

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Mark Kincaid

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

> >>> Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:59:01 -0000

> >>> vedic astrology

> >>> [vedic astrology] Re: Free will, karma and moksha

> >>>

> >>> Hello Siva:

> >>>

> >>> I've asked these same questions over and over and over again and

> >>> yours is the best reply I've ever received.

> >>>

> >>> No Jyotisha can make a prediction, if they can, itdefeats the

> > purpose

> >>> of destiny created by Lord Brahma (the creator) when we're

born.

> >>>

> >>> Even if some Jyotisha makes a prediction, theprediction itself

> > cannot

> >>> CHANGE the destiny nor the actual manifestation destiny of that

> >>> individual as only Lord Vishnu/Krishna (the operator) can decide

> > how

> >>> the destiny will manifest itself through ourmundane lives.

> >>>

> >>> And, even if some Jyotisha figured out a way to change destiny

or

> >>> change the means by with destiny manifest itself, NO Jyotisha

can

> >>> change the will of Lord Mahesh/Siva (the destroyer) as ALL

living

> >>> beings have to die/destruct and the cycle of life and birth

> > continues.

> >>>

> >>> To conclude, Jyotish CANNOT change the destiny of a person AND

> >>> Jyotish CANNOT change the way destiny manifest itself.

> >>>

> >>> It is useless to run after Jyotishs and "Godmen/Godwomen" as it

> >>> accomplishes NOTHING except temorary hopes of "raj yog"

and "this

> >>> yog" and "that yog" that thes Jyothish/Godmen/women predict

until

> >>> the individual realizes that destiny is unpredictable and EVEN

> > MORE,

> >>> if destiny could be predicted, it cannot be changed.

> >>>

> >>> So people, forget all this mumbo-jumbo about navamsha chart,

hora

> >>> chart, trishamsa chart, this chart, that chart and all the

> > million

> >>> other charts that these Jyotish invent as these charts CHANGE

> > NOTHING.

> >>>

> >>> Lord Krishna told us to perform righteous karma in fulfilling

our

> >>> dharma towards our spouses, kids, parents, society, etc. and

> > that is

> >>> all that we need to do--perform righteous Karma to fulfill our

> > dharma

> >>> AND forget all these Jyotishis and God-people.

> >>>

> >>> Mukund

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> vedic astrology, "schinnas"

> > <schinnas>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>> Dear Sharada-ji,

> >>>>

> >>>> Though this question is not for me, let me venture in with my

> >>>> opinions.

> >>>>

> >>>> Questions (1), (2) and (3) can (and should) be properly

> > explained

> >>>> only by self-realized a.k.a Sat Gurus. If you cannot find one

in

> >>>> person, you should read books by one. You can try books in

plain

> >>>> language from the Maths of Bagavan Ramana Maharishi,

Ramakrishna

> >>>> Paramahamsa, Mahavatar Babaji, Divine Life Society (Swami

> >>>> Sivananda), Sringeri or Kanchi math, etc. There are many living

> >>>> SatGurus in India (and probably elsewhere in the world aswell),

> > and

> >>>> if your desire for SatGuru is deep enough, you will

> > automatically

> >>>> find a Guru either in person or through His' teachings.

> >>>>

> >>>> Jyotish (astrology) is an apara-vidya like ayurveda (medicine)

> > or

> >>>> Vyakarana (grammer). Jyotish is mundane knowledge - not the

> >>>> transendental knowledge of Self and may not even be needed for

> >>>> anyone that surrenders oneself totally to God. However, Jyotish

> >>> does

> >>>> have its own application in life as any other apara-vidya.

> >>>>

> >>>> For one indulging in agamic (ritualistic) worship and

performing

> >>>> vedic karmas, knowledge of Jyotish is needed to perform the

> > various

> >>>> pujas/rituals at the appropriate time.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards,

> >>>> -Siva.

> >>>>

> >>>> vedic astrology, "shar1904"

> > <shar1904>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>> Dear Narasimha Rao ji/ Pt. Sanjay Rath ji,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I read the article on Chara karaka(Sanjay Rath) on this site

> > and

> >>>> have

> >>>>> a few questions related to it. Could you please help?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 1. Is the exercise of Free will the main cause of karma and

> > human

> >>>>> suffering ?

> >>>>> 2. Can one attain moksha faster by surrendering one's free

will

> >>>> and

> >>>>> submitting to divine will?

> >>>>> 3. How do you put (2) into actual practice? We have to make

> >>>> decisions

> >>>>> everyday. Is it really possible to give up free will?

> >>>>> 4. If (2) and (3) are indeed possible, what is the relevance

of

> >>>>> jyotish as a science in this context?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Thank you for your time.

> >>>>> Sharada.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

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Abhaayarakshaga! JaiKshna ! Mukunda ! murarea !!!

We see every thing in U,

But your namesake sees every thing in Geography!

Alas! Anthoo!

Dhananjayan. Bmonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote:

Hello Mark and other believers in astrology:You talk about "possiblities through

each planet." How can a planet millions and millons of light years away affect

the lives of a human being here on Earth.There is nothing on these planets

except dust and/or thick sheets of ice. How can these have ANY effect on a

human being?How can chanting mantras have any effect on a planet millions of

miles away. Most mantras involve making ridiculous sounds from one's mouth

while sitting in front of a picture or a stone idol? These planets appear human

like in the pictures(Rahu with a Black, angry face and big moustche, Jupiter

with a handsom face with no moustace--does this mean Jupiter shaves and Rahu

doesn't?). Why don't we worship before a REAL picture of Jupiter or Saturn

where they look ROUND with astroid mark all over them.

How about real pictures of Rahu and Ketu??? Well, Rahu and Ketu are "pretend

planets" so they won't have a real picture. And, if R&K are "pretend planets,"

then why do they have a Mahadasa? -- Do you guys realize how irrational this

sound? How can wearing planetary stones have any effect on one's life or how

can it affect the planet itself????? Do you realize how ridiculous the

planetary stones are???? Jupiter looks yellowish red from Earth, but the acutal

color of Jupiter is same as the color of dust in any other planet SO why is a

YELLOW stone prescribed to FIX Jupiter problems when the REAL color of Jupite

isn't really yellow? Moon just appears WHITE, but the real color of MOON is

brown so why is a white pearl prescribed to FIX Moon problems, why isn't a

BROWN colored stone worn for Moon when Brown is its real color?How about the

deaded sade-sati? How can world's 3/12 population just began to have the

wrost time of their life ALL AT THE SAME TIME? And how can wearing of an iron

ring or making ridiculous sounding noises from one's mouth in form of mantras

APEASE an INANIMATE planet of dust and ice a million light years away?Planets

control nothing, planets harms nobody, planets help nobody. And, it they do

then how are we going to account for millions and millions of other planets (in

addition to the 7 known)in the galaxy.And, Moon isn't even a planet, it is a

sattelite of the Earth. And, how about the satellites of Jupiter--lots of them?

Which Gods do they represent? are they malefic or benefic?So people, forget this

mumbo-jumbo about planet controlling your live. You are the maker and the

breaker of your own destiny--work hard, live righteous and forget about these

planets and Jyothishas.Mukundvedic astrology, Mark

Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> Dear

Venkat:> > > > I find that all possibilities are possible through each planet.>

> The key is deciphering and learning how to get more in-tune with that>

Planet.> > Saturn is hard only because we don't know how to get in-tune with

him.> > We live in a vata deranged world where rest and rejuvenation and

saturn's> natural shiva silence is not followed.> > But, each step that you

take towards Saturn. In humility and surrender,> Saturn is appeased and

pleased.> > Study the positive significations of Saturn and then aspire to be

more> in-tune with those...> > Rest,> rejuvenation,> study the cyles of

Nature,> like the Moon cycle, for example...> As I've watched that for years

now, and then learned how to follow the> flowings of that cycle, I could sense

that Saturn was happier.>

> Saturn means the integrative part of us, between silence and activity...> so

meditation,> yoga,> pranayama, > Ayurved!> many things promote stronger

Saturn....> > The way you'll be able to tell that your Saturn's getting more

balanced...> is the negative, malefic signs of it...will start diminishing...>

> Good luck....> > I have Saturn sliding through my 9th house, right now...and

normally it> would have been more malefic, but since I've been desiring that my

Saturn> too becomes more benefic,....> > even this transit is bringing me some

great experiences...of the 9th house> variety...> > > Take care> > > > Mark

Kincaid> > > > > PS....I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a Jyotish

newsletter.> It includes a daily, Transits newsletter

as well as other aspects of Jyotish> as well. If you, or anyone else in this

group is interested, in> subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at:

m.kincaid@m... And> the newsletter is free.> > > > > > > >

"venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry>> > Fri, 06 Feb 2004

14:58:12 -0000> > vedic astrology> > Subject:

2-[vedic astrology] & Mukund....2/5.... Re: Free will, karma and> > moksha> >

> > Dear Prashant, > > > > Ah, I wish I was blessed with Jupiter and Saturn

conjuction to> > obtain the Brahma Yoga! My Saturn is in Jupiter's Rasi

(Pisces), in> > the 9th house of Dharma, so maybe I will have some slight

glimpse of> > this knowledge sometime in this lifetime! I hope so, I really

hope> > so. > >

> > That was a great link, thanks for sending it out.> > > > Venkat> > > > ---

In vedic astrology, prashant narang> > <prashantnarang>

wrote:> >> dear mark,> >> that was really wonderful !!> >> those 3kind of

karmas r drida(fixed), adridha(not fixed),> > dridadrdha( semi fixed).> >>

jupiter & saturn conjunction makes brahma yoga which gives> > knowledge of life

/creation.> >> > >> & mukund , here is a link for u, this might b helpful> >>

http://spiritualseven.org/art_karma.htm> >> > >> regards> >> prashant> >> > >>

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> >> Dear Mukund & All:> >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > >> Wow.... you're way jumping to the wrong conclusions here...> >> >

>> Let me first say that you're mixing up destiny with something that> > can't

be> >> changed. Even Vedic science...which comes from Lord Krishna..> >> > >>

says...that there are basically 3 areas of karmas that can be> > changed....>

>> > >> Some that are more easy, others that are more difficult and still> >

others> >> that are the most difficult.> >> > >> However,.... you make one good

point that.... destiny doesn't mean> > lack of> >> free will.> >> > >> Destiny

means karma that we've produced from the past.> >> > >> As such we're meant to

understand and grow through and with our> > past karmas> >> to

evolve in the present and the future.> >> > >> If there was no choice..there

would be no joy, we would be like> > robots...> >> > >> If you're going to

define destiny as what happens...then nothing> > can be> >> changed... but...

the whole universe is not the destiny of the> > lord...> >> he's not a slave to

something...> >> > >> It came out beautifully.... profoundly wrapped in eternal

freedom.> >> > >> Man, who was born in God's image, means...born with the

ability to> > reflect> >> his own divine, Cosmic,

enlightened...consciousness....> >> > >> and at every step along that path....

we have the potential to> > express more> >> and more freedom....of life...> >>

> >> I think you're mixing up the will of God...destiny

and man's will> > and> >> choices...> >> > >> What we are living...is both God's

will and our will.> >> > >> It is 'we' who have chosen these actions and as a

result produced> > these> >> consequences....> >> > >> God is within,...the

ultimate source.... but... it's dangerous to> > assume> >> that God is the

author...and we are not...> >> > >> God may be the ultimate source... but we

are participating in that> > adventure> >> and karma is all about actions

haveing been done in the past...> >> > >> go out into the universe....striking

every bit of the> > creation...and then> >> coming back...> >> > >> We do have

and it's very important that we view our choices as our> > choices.> >>

> >> We need to take responsibility..... and in responsibility we grasp> > the

power> >> to make any change ...that is possible.> >> > >> In the west we say,

after Lord Christ... if your faith was as> > great as you> >> bunyan seed....

you could move mountains...> >> > >> Well, in the east they have similar

expressions....> >> > >> That man's Consciounsess is indeed unbounded...> >>

and the more that we reflect that unbounded potential of> > consciounsess...>

>> we will gain the ability...> >> to do anything, to accomplish everything...>

>> > >> We should think how great is a man's nature and potential...and> > not

limit> >> ourselves or our thinkings...as we're understanding...> >> the power

of destiny or fate...> >>

> >> And finally....Saturn rules our fate or destiny....> >> and yet...> >>

Jupiter rules faith and freedom....> >> > >> > >> Both planets together...make

life...> >> > >> > >> > >> take care> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mark Kincaid> >> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> "monmuk111" <monmuk111>> >>> Thu, 05

Feb 2004 17:59:01 -0000> >>> vedic astrology> >>> Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Free will, karma and moksha> >>> > >>> Hello Siva:> >>>

> >>> I've asked these same questions over and over and over again and> >>>

yours is the best reply I've ever

received.> >>> > >>> No Jyotisha can make a prediction, if they can, itdefeats

the> > purpose> >>> of destiny created by Lord Brahma (the creator) when we're

born.> >>> > >>> Even if some Jyotisha makes a prediction, theprediction itself>

> cannot> >>> CHANGE the destiny nor the actual manifestation destiny of that>

>>> individual as only Lord Vishnu/Krishna (the operator) can decide> > how>

>>> the destiny will manifest itself through ourmundane lives.> >>> > >>> And,

even if some Jyotisha figured out a way to change destiny or> >>> change the

means by with destiny manifest itself, NO Jyotisha can> >>> change the will of

Lord Mahesh/Siva (the destroyer) as ALL living> >>> beings have to die/destruct

and the cycle of life and

birth> > continues.> >>> > >>> To conclude, Jyotish CANNOT change the destiny of

a person AND> >>> Jyotish CANNOT change the way destiny manifest itself.> >>> >

>>> It is useless to run after Jyotishs and "Godmen/Godwomen" as it> >>>

accomplishes NOTHING except temorary hopes of "raj yog" and "this> >>> yog" and

"that yog" that thes Jyothish/Godmen/women predict until> >>> the individual

realizes that destiny is unpredictable and EVEN> > MORE,> >>> if destiny could

be predicted, it cannot be changed.> >>> > >>> So people, forget all this

mumbo-jumbo about navamsha chart, hora> >>> chart, trishamsa chart, this chart,

that chart and all the> > million> >>> other charts that these Jyotish invent as

these charts CHANGE> >

NOTHING.> >>> > >>> Lord Krishna told us to perform righteous karma in

fulfilling our> >>> dharma towards our spouses, kids, parents, society, etc.

and> > that is> >>> all that we need to do--perform righteous Karma to fulfill

our> > dharma> >>> AND forget all these Jyotishis and God-people.> >>> > >>>

Mukund> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> vedic astrology,

"schinnas"> > <schinnas>> >>> wrote:> >>>> Dear Sharada-ji,> >>>> > >>>>

Though this question is not for me, let me venture in with my> >>>> opinions.>

>>>> > >>>> Questions (1), (2) and (3) can (and should) be properly> >

explained>

>>>> only by self-realized a.k.a Sat Gurus. If you cannot find one in> >>>>

person, you should read books by one. You can try books in plain> >>>> language

from the Maths of Bagavan Ramana Maharishi, Ramakrishna> >>>> Paramahamsa,

Mahavatar Babaji, Divine Life Society (Swami> >>>> Sivananda), Sringeri or

Kanchi math, etc. There are many living> >>>> SatGurus in India (and probably

elsewhere in the world aswell),> > and> >>>> if your desire for SatGuru is deep

enough, you will> > automatically> >>>> find a Guru either in person or through

His' teachings.> >>>> > >>>> Jyotish (astrology) is an apara-vidya like

ayurveda (medicine)> > or> >>>> Vyakarana (grammer). Jyotish is mundane

knowledge - not the> >>>> transendental

knowledge of Self and may not even be needed for> >>>> anyone that surrenders

oneself totally to God. However, Jyotish> >>> does > >>>> have its own

application in life as any other apara-vidya.> >>>> > >>>> For one indulging in

agamic (ritualistic) worship and performing> >>>> vedic karmas, knowledge of

Jyotish is needed to perform the> > various> >>>> pujas/rituals at the

appropriate time.> >>>> > >>>> regards,> >>>> -Siva.> >>>> > >>>> --- In

vedic astrology, "shar1904"> > <shar1904>> >>>> wrote:>

>>>>> Dear Narasimha Rao ji/ Pt. Sanjay Rath ji,> >>>>> > >>>>> I read the

article on Chara karaka(Sanjay Rath) on this

site> > and> >>>> have > >>>>> a few questions related to it. Could you please

help?> >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Is the exercise of Free will the main cause of karma

and> > human> >>>>> suffering ?> >>>>> 2. Can one attain moksha faster by

surrendering one's free will> >>>> and > >>>>> submitting to divine will?>

>>>>> 3. How do you put (2) into actual practice? We have to make> >>>>

decisions > >>>>> everyday. Is it really possible to give up free will?> >>>>>

4. If (2) and (3) are indeed possible, what is the relevance of> >>>>> jyotish

as a science in this context?> >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you for your time.> >>>>>

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