Malefic as Atmakaraka - Srila Prabhupada and Sri Ramakrishna to Venkat

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Dear Mr. Vishwanatham and Mr. Sudershan,

 

Thank you for your responses. So, in essence, the qualities

suggested by the Atmakaraka are the ones that the native should keep

in mind for spiritual progress. The negative qualities suggested by

the Atmakaraka are to be avoided and the positive ones should be

used as strengths, as in your example, of someone with Sani as

Atmakaraka taking on the sorrow of others but never giving sorrow to

others. Excellent theory!

 

Mr. Vishwanatham, you said that Rahu and Ketu were always

retrograde. Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought they are retrograde

for the most part, just as the other planets are direct for the most

part. And at some points they reverse their direction, and become

direct. At least this is what the first Hindu astro book I read

(Ancient Hindu astrology for the modern Western astrologer by James

Braha) said, and one software package I downloaded

gave "direct", "retrograde" and "Stationary direct" for all planets,

including Rahu and Ketu. Is this wrong then? Or are you saying that

the "natural state" for Rahu and Ketu is to be retrograde, i.e. they

can be otherwise based on the earth's movement?

 

Thank you for working on my chart, as well for sharing your

knowledge and wisdom with this group.

Venkat

 

 

vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham

<vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Venkat,

>

> i want to answer a small bit of your query, relating to Rahu. Rahu

is always retrograde and retrograde planets are equated to Rahu,

which gives desires causing rebirth.

>

> Ketu, which is always in the 7th from Rahu, causes moksha, though

it is also retrograde.

>

> When it comes to Chara Karakas, Ketu is out of it, because Ketu is

moksha karaka. So, planets, which are retrograde are treated akin to

Rahu, which have brought you back to this life! The deep rooted

desire principle.

>

> i am still working on your chart, whenever i have time. Hope to

write to you soon.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

> Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Venkat,

>

> Having Rahu as AK implies that the native is very susceptible to

be cheated.They will be cheated but they should not cheat

back.Likewise in the case of saturn as AK, the native will have to

take or absorb a lot of sorrow from others but should never cause

sorrow.

> So it does apply to great souls.

>

> If Rahu, the most base and materialistic of all planets is himself

responsible(as atmakaraka) for leading one to God, the chances of

the native deviating from God conciousness is very low. The other

grahas are undoubtedly milder in their propensity to engage the

native in sense gratification when compared to Rahu.This is the

understanding of why someone with Rahu as AK could be very spiritual.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

> venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Dear friends,

>

> From Pundit Sanjay Rath's lessons on this newsgroup, I learnt that

> having a malefic as atmakaraka shows more spiritual evolution for

> the soul involved. This is certainly tru for both Srila Prabhupada

> and Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, both of who have Rahu as

> Atmakaraka. However, in the same lesson, the effect of having Rahu

> as Atmakaraka was defined as

> "Rahu as AK indicates that the native maybe cheated often and will

> still have to be free from guile and clean

> hearted."

>

> I cannot imagine that great souls such as these could have cheated

> often etc. How to reconcile these apparent differences?

>

> Also, it says that a retrograde Atmakaraka indicates deep rooted

> desires to be cause of birth. Since Rahu is naturally retrograde,

> does this apply in this case too? Or is it the opposite, i.e., if

> Rahu is DIRECT, it implies deep rooted desires, since Rahu is

> naturally retrogressive?

>

> Respectfully,

> Venkat

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Venkat,

 

Essentially, what i was talking about is 'Mean nodes' and you about 'true nodes'.

 

personally i take the whole thing as 'sybolism'. Humans landed on the Moon &

Mars is under the scanner. Planets becoming 'Retrograde' is a phenomenon as

observed from earth.

 

To understand Nodes as per vedic astrology, we need to understand the story

about 'sagar manthan' and the enemity between the nodes and the luminaries (Sun

& Moon).

 

Sun & Moon are always direct and Nodes are always retrograde.

 

Hope this helps.

 

regards

viswanadham

 

 

venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry > wrote:

Dear Mr. Vishwanatham and Mr. Sudershan,Thank you for your responses. So, in

essence, the qualities suggested by the Atmakaraka are the ones that the native

should keep in mind for spiritual progress. The negative qualities suggested by

the Atmakaraka are to be avoided and the positive ones should be used as

strengths, as in your example, of someone with Sani as Atmakaraka taking on the

sorrow of others but never giving sorrow to others. Excellent theory!Mr.

Vishwanatham, you said that Rahu and Ketu were always retrograde. Maybe I am

mistaken, but I thought they are retrograde for the most part, just as the

other planets are direct for the most part. And at some points they reverse

their direction, and become direct. At least this is what the first Hindu astro

book I read (Ancient Hindu astrology for the modern Western

astrologer by James Braha) said, and one software package I downloaded gave

"direct", "retrograde" and "Stationary direct" for all planets, including Rahu

and Ketu. Is this wrong then? Or are you saying that the "natural state" for

Rahu and Ketu is to be retrograde, i.e. they can be otherwise based on the

earth's movement? Thank you for working on my chart, as well for sharing your

knowledge and wisdom with this group. Venkat