RE: Dakshina of Sanidev to Gurudev

August 12, 2003

Dear and Respected members

This discussion was of a very high analytical level.This opens the eye of any

astrological student and directs the thought process and logic in the right

direction.

Can i ask one question here.In this article i have found that the intelligence

associated with 'Sun' has an element of 'Ahamkara' associated with it.

Is this a reason for people having 'SUN' as Atmakaraka, has to 'LEARN ' to

control their ego.

Thanks

Pradeep

Visti Larsen [balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com]

Sonntag, 10. August 2003 16:02vedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Dakshina of Sanidev to Gurudev

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Sanjay Rath

vedic astrology

Monday, May 12, 2003 9:09 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha

||Om brihaspataye namah||

Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Sarbani & Raji (can I call you that) & Jyotisha,

A deeper understanding of Lagna, Paka & AL

The progress of Jupiter through signs has been given vital importance in Jyotish

as man is a spiritual being having material experiences and this interaction

between the atma and the body occurs through the paka lagna for which the

karaka (significator) is Jupiter. Jupiter filters the thoughts that send

impulses to the atma and the atma replies. Jupiter is the real representative

of God as he does the filtering and cleansing of thoughts because of which the

atma is capable of continued existance within the body. If Jupiter did not do

the filtering and cleansing of thoughts and all were allowed to be experienced

by the atma, then every soul that has incarnated as the selfish human being

form will die within a few years. It is for this reason that Jupiter gives long

life and is capable of averting apamrityu and all sorts of evils and is a karaka

for so many houses..all good houses.

Have you wondered as to why Maharishis could live for a thousand years and we

mortals stay for a few decades. It is the strength of their Jupiter. This is

the mark of intelligence and God is defined in Jyotish as the supreme

intelligence. Not when Jupiter proceeds through the zodiac, there are two

planets that have the lordship over the Tara (stars literally and implying the

nakshatra). The *real* or *legitimate* lord is Jupiter or God as He alone has

the supreme intelligence and the *illegitimate* lord is the Moon. At any point

of time, both Jupiter and Moon try their level best to influence the lagna

(individual intelligence). The Moon shows the active conscious mind that is

drawing various impulses from the interaction of the senses and sense oegans

and is passing this information with the filter of desire (what impulses it

liked and what it considered as not so good and what are bad) to the lagna

through the Arudha Lagna for which it is the Karaka. Similtaneously Jupiter who

knows everything having the memory of billions of years of existance of life on

earth knows what impulse gives what action and finally what karmic results, and

like the wise minster/compassionate and kind God, advises the lagna through the

Paka lagna (for which it is the karaka).

Now that the lagna has got the input from the Moon through its desire filter and

from Jupiter through its memory, supreme intelligence and goodness filter, the

lagna has to take a decision. The lagna (individual intelligence) takes

millions of decisions everyday. The Lagna consults its own intelligence, own

memory and own nature (Sun Karaka) and arrives at a decision. Most of the time

the decision is not perfect as the Sun lacks the supreme goodness of Jupiter

and has an element of 'ahamkara' associated with its intelligence. More often

the lagna tends to approve the decisions of the Moon (conscious mind) ignoring

the good advise of Jupiter. Not that the Moon always gives bad advise, but its

vision is very limited and sometimes it is in harmony with that from Jupiter

and at other times, it is in sakata and other relations with Jupiter. The best

situation is one called Gajakesari.

Jupiter in signs & stars

Keeping in mind that Jupiter is to represent the supreme intelligence, let us

examine its position is some signs. In Kumbha Jupiter will be in a situation

where Guru Brihaspati (Jupiter) is teaching Saturn (lord of Aquarius) about how

to do his work (Aquarius is Moolatrikona of Saturn).

For this we consult the Purana where Saturn wanted to learn the dharma shastra

and approached Brihaspati. Initially Brihaspati explained the system in his

ashram and the dakshina would be based on his judgment. On learning of the

latters identity as 'Sanideva' Brihaspati was shocked and was prepared to teach

everything and would not take any dakshina and begged that he be spared from

sade-sati, kanataka and all those effects. Sanidev was adamant and insisted

that he would give dakshina. So it was finally settled that the dakshina would

be in the form of a reduced term of sadesati. Brihaspati taught him all the

dharma shastra and Sanidev became the Dharmaraja having the complete knowledge

of the implementation of justice (that is why the balance Libra is the ninth

house from Aquarius). Brihaspati knew that Sani would pay his dakshina within

the year as was the practise then, and as was his practise, always protected

his body, mind and soul with the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. One day

as he plucked flowers for his daily worship, the royal couple were in the

neighbourhood and the prince (Mercury) entered the garden to play. The prince

was missing after sometime and a frantic search yeilded nothing. The guards

reported to the king that a divine person, glowing with spiritual light was

collecting flowers and they saw blood dripping through the basket. The king

ordered that the person (Brihaspati) be brought to him and told the guards not

to harm him as it would be most unwise to even touch such a personality before

ascertaining the truth. The wise king knew the danger to his kingdom if such

great spiritual personalities are hurt. The severed head of the prince was in

the basket and blood was dripping from the neck (note: chinna mastaka or

cut-head is the mark of Rahu). Brihaspati was shocked and truthfully pleaded

his innocense. But the evidence clearly visible pointed against him, so he was

held captive but was not tortured and the search continued. Brihaspati realised

that this was the effect of his sade-sati saturn and made a silent prayer to the

deity of saturn (Lord Shiva here as the great destroyer {One vesha is Nataraja -

the destroyer of the demon Maya or illusion and untruth). The period ended then

and there and suddenly everyone saw that what looked like the head of the

prince was just the watermelon and the red fluid was not blood and instead was

the red water melon juice. The prince was found...

Now look at the Jyotish lessons in this:

(1) When Saturn causes sade-sati, or kantaka or has a bad dasa, and the dosha

(error) is to be caused by the hand of extra-terrestrial forces, then it is

called 'Adrista agantuta roga'. Prasna Marga advises us to look at the badhak

for this (as the object or the cause). For the signs of Jupiter, Mercury is the

badhak lord (Pisces - Virgo badhak, lord Merc and Sagittarius - Gemini badhak,

lord Merc). That why the problem cause was related to Mercury the PRINCE. This

can also be related to planets in badhak house. The difference is that in the

case of badhak lord, we take the natual significations whereas in the case of

planets in the badhak house, we see the lordships of there planets w.r.t.

lagna.

(2) The *visible* or produced evidence against Jupiter shall be seen from Rahu.

In general Rahu indicates a severed head, and that evidence was shown to the

king against Brihaspati. Look at the sign occupied by Rahu to see the nature of

the evidence as dhatu, moola and jiva as well as the the chara karaka status of

Rahu. The Arudha Padas conjoined Rahu shall indicate the people who will give

the evidence.

(3) Parasara teaches that if Jupiter is strong and alone in Lagna, then a single

bow to the weilder of the Trishula shall destroy a thousand sins. In this

episode narrated in the Purana we see how such a prayer (to the lord of Sani -

Vayu tatva- Lord Shiva) by Brihaspati ended the entire problem.

(4) Kalyana Verma teaches that if Jupiter is strong in Lagna then the native is

always protected by the 'Chakradhara'. In this episode we see how Brihaspati is

always proteced by the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. This is the

abhedana kavacha.

The Intelligence application

Intelligence is that which guides the mind in a direction that protects (trai) it from any harm to

1) the body (Tana) like apamrityu, mrityu, roga etc, this is called Tantra

as composed of Tana & trai

2) the mind(mana) or itself from various mental turmoil and diseases and is

called Mantra as composed of Mana & Trai and,

3) the soul from of further sin by restraining it (Yantri) by the use of

mystical diagrams and other symbolic apparatus/ instruments and the process of

prana-pratistha etc.

Coming to the point of how this intelligence works, a lot depends on what the

lagna is when Jupiter is in Aquairus. In general the traits of Saturn's office

as detatched thinking, ignoring pain and suffering and viewing this with the

eyes of a stoic, pondering beyond known limits for any serious question thereby

arriving at very original solutions etc. Sometimes they may seem most cold

blooded as this can be caused by their ability to supress and ignore pain (like

Rambo in the movie). Saturn is an old planet and Jupiter in this sign indicates

the intelligence used is like that of old men - with lots of experience,

memory, philosophy and thinking going into it. The ability to ponder causes

Brahma yoga and the best of philosophers, scientists, mathematical genius minds

(not computation ability but astract mathematics) are shown in this sign with

the influence of Jupiter. Because of the nodal influence (rebirth-Rahu/Saturn &

death/moksha -Mars& Ketu), Juiter in Aquarius or Scorpio gives considerable

ability for astrology. The big difference with Capricorn is that the Saturn is

a worker and is bad at home. His worst qualities show up when he is at home.

That is why he likes to go away from home (gets digbala in 7th house), is very

down to eath and demands total physical evidence of the existance of God and

things like that. The intellect refuses to believe anything or anybody without

at least adequate circumstantial evidence whereas Aquarius is an airy sign and

is very intellectual. Jupiter here gives the ability to mentally exert

themselves...you have to think in these lines to fully understand the effect of

th various navamsas in Aquarius etc.

With best wishes & regards,

I remain

Sanjay Rath

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[rajeswarishankar ]Monday, May 12, 2003 4:21 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha|

Guru in Kumbha

Hi List,

Namaste

Mine is pieces lagna & lagna lord jupiter is in kumbha(12th place).

Any comments welcome!!

Thanks

Raji

Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thats an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was

trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes.

Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturns unrevealed spiritual

practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with

someone on guru in kumbhacould there be another way of looking at it? One that

is not so positive?

Best regards,

Sarbani

Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent:

Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re:

[vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha

Dear Sarbani,

If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep

thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with

Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy.

Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part

of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are

done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as

well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that

those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation

of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars.

One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious

experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will

rarely reveal what they have experienced.

Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and

sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning.

Chandrashekhar.

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Sarbani Sarkar

vedic astrology ; varahamihira

Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM

[vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha

Dear Sanjay,

You wrote:

[Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of

hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter

indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules

Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to

philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to

thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says

that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be

literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this

manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma.

One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and gurus placement there

is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbhas lords, the

fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the

only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiters vision and

obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha)

bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all

philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or

Rahu?

Best regards,

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August 13, 2003

|Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Pradeep,

Very good. Yes your right.Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center:

http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS

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Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar

vedic astrology

Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:21 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Dakshina of Sanidev to Gurudev