Parashari-Jaimini ! (to Vijay) - Chandrashekhar ji

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

I could not have got a better answer.You have even explained about

the logic behind aspects ,which i have not asked specifically.

 

Thanks a lot for spending so much time to write this mail and

sharing your knowledge.

 

Other concern which i had in my mind was what that you have

explained crystal clear.Astrologers intention should not be to

somehow find an explanation of the cause.Uniformity.Very well

said.If this is not there then astrology is not going to grow.(grow

in the sense the removal of darkness which has crept in due to a gap

or loss of material).

 

Rashi drishtis can also be correct as the mutual angular positions

of rashis might have influence on each other.But as you have said if

we dont know the real basics then it is better to use the common

ones.

 

Finally as you have said it is the comfort one has in using any

technique,but this should be a common factor outside the bracket

while analysing any chart.

Your statements have validity as you have read the different views

of acharyas and has excercised your brain logically.Also your

experience.

 

Thanks a lot again

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> There are many systems based on the experience of the Rishis, who

> formulated them. An astrologer has to find out which one he is

most

> comfortable with and use it to arrive at correct predictions.

>

> Whether Rasi drishty or planets drishty, they indicate the

> complimentary relations between various factors of a horoscope. I

do not

> use rasi drishty as I have a better understanding of a horoscope(

at

> least I think I have better understanding of a Horoscope that way)

using

> Planets drishty. One who is comfortable with Rasi drishty may as

well do

> so. The problem arises when these are used selectively. No doubt

they

> can assist one in explaining a particular wrong prediction, but I

> seriously doubt whether this adds to one's knowledge. For example

one

> predicts on the basis of Planet drishty and when the prediction

goes

> wrong one takes recourse to explaining away the reason of the

failure by

> application of Rasi drishty. Same is the case with use of

Aarudhas,

> Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One should have a uniform

approach to

> any chart one analyses. You can not apply say Metric system to

> manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut , they would never fit

properly.

>

> My opinion is that dristies are in multiples of 30 degrees and

their

> application in Divisional charts might not be proper. However most

of

> astrologers, whose knowledge I respect; do take them in to

> consideration. My opinion is based on the fact that you can not

apply

> them in classic hora charts as if so done, no planets would aspect

any

> other planet, be it Rasi drishty or Planet drishty, which would be

> ridiculous. By classic Hora I mean the scheme where for Odd Rasi

first

> half is Sun's hora and second half is Moon hora and reverse for

even

> Rasi. The chart is drawn with all planets in Sun Hora shown in Leo

and

> those in Moon hora in Cancer. Even Parashara indicates that

position of

> planets is to be treated to be with strength in Squares, Trines,

> Swagrihas and so on but does not indicate how their aspects are to

be

> interpreted, and I am certain nobody would claim that it was for

lack of

> knowledge.

>

> Not much work has been done on Aarudhas and other parameters even

by the

> ancient sages and you must remember a recent mail with a query why

with

> planet in 11th from Aarudha Lagna no income is seen for the

Native.

> Barring Jaimini, Parashara and Nadi granthas none of the Acharyas

have

> said anything about them. Prashna Marga gives a different method

of

> assigning Aarudha Lagna.

>

> This does not mean that the concept carries no substance, only

that

> exahaustive work has not been done on this aspect. Even the major

yogas

> are not based on these concept and as such it is difficult to know

the

> correct method of their application. It is very well to wax

eloquent on

> their applicability and the principles behind such practice, it is

> another matter giving Authentic quotes from standard texts to

support

> the premise.

>

> It is better if a student leaves their application to those who

are well

> versed in application of these principles uniformly to all

horoscopes

> that they analyse. The mail has become a bit longish, but to

explain the

> logic behind my views, I think it was necessary.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Thanks for intervening and correcting by taking the role of a

Guru

> > whenever apt.

> >

> > My concern was mainly about mixing the views of different

acharyas

> > every here and there.I beleieve certain things when mixed will

have

> > superimposed effect.And certain principles are to be applied

only at

> > a single level and not in subsequent levels.This may distort the

> > picture.

> >

> > For eg when u are planning to estimate the population of India,if

> > you take into account, Maharashtra as a state, then there is no

need

> > to count population of Pune or Aurangabad again,it has already

been

> > taken into account at the proper level.

> >

> > One similar doubt was Yogada and Maha Yogada.When Rashi Drishtis

are

> > considered ,the assumption is that, along with the rashi, each

> > planet in that rashi will also aspect the aspected rashi and the

> > planets it contains.

> >

> > So my doubt is for considering such a yoga should we use both

normal

> > aspects as well as rashi aspect or only one among these at a time

> > and not together!

> >

> > Similarly usage of Bhava Arudhas and corresponding lagnas in

> > divisional charts.These have been covered at a higher level ie

Rashi

> > chart.Trying to do the same again at a finer level might not be

> > useful - though one can use this.Because the sages might have

> > observed a significance for these and also might have a logic for

> > using it at the Rashi level.

> >

> > Divisional charts are just pin pointing in which exact division

of

> > each Rashi sign the planet is residing,to give the clearest

picture

> > of the planets residence and hence the strength.Even aspects in

> > divisonal charts might not be useful,though one may use

this.These

> > are just my doubts without any basis - kindly help with your

> > experience in understanding these.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Narasimha,Vijay Kumar, Anna,

> > > If I may be so bold as to interject, is it not a fact that

Jyotish

> > is a

> > > Vedanga and not restricted to only Parashara or Jaimini? There

are

> > said to

> > > be 18 Pravartakas (Parashara being one of them) and numerous

> > > Acharyas(Jaimini being one amongst them) who gave Jyotish as

> > understood by

> > > us in form of lectures which are now reduced to texts. Most of

the

> > Acharyas

> > > of later days have drawn heavily on all available material to

give

> > us

> > > classics like Saravali,Jatakaparijaata, Phaladeepika and many

> > others.

> > > Therefore limiting the basics of Astrology to any one of the

> > Pravartakas or

> > > Acharyas, as we do not have access to works of others like

Romesh,

> > Paulesh,

> > > Chyavana, Narada et al may not help Jyotish much. If I have

hurt

> > anyone on

> > > account of my views, I beg their pardon in advance.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > pvr108 [pvr@c...]

> > > Friday, December 19, 2003 9:55 PM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Parashari-Jaimini ! (to Vijay)

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Mr. Vijay Kumar,

> > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Not only for you but for everybody does the knowledge-base

> > > > of BPHS matters. You should not use such sarcasm on

Parashara's

> > > > BPHS that it does not matter to you. We should be proud of

> > > > our ancestors for having given a wonderful wealth of

knowledge.

> > >

> > > You are misrepresenting me and so I have clarify.

> > >

> > > There is no sarcasm.

> > >

> > > Secondly, I did not suggesting ignoring other authors

altogether.

> > >

> > > What I meant is that those texts do not matter to me as far

as

> > > defining what consitutes "Parasari system" is concerned.

> > >

> > > My point is simple. IF one wants to define something called

> > > "Parasari system", it MUST be defined based on what Parasara

> > > himself taught. And not based on what some other authors

taught.

> > > This is neither an insult to others nor sarcasm.

> > >

> > > This is simple commonsense.

> > >

> > > > As far as the amalgamation of various techniques is under

> > question,

> > > one is free to

> > >

> > > use any technique anywhere whether or not it has the

approval of

> > the

> > > classics. It is a

> > >

> > > good approach and it develops us beyound the texts. However,

> > while

> > > doing such usage, a

> > >

> > > clear statistical analysis should be done for the percentage

of

> > > success rate, which

> > >

> > > sometimes is not done.

> > > >

> > > > From my side, this topic stands closed unless you want to

keep

> > it

> > > alive.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Vijay Kumar

> > >

> > > Thank you for the clarification. The topic stands closed for

me

> > too.

> > >

> > > For the impressionable young minds on the list, I state once

> > again:

> > > The classification of Parasari vs Jaimini is a later day

> > creation.

> > > What Mr. Vijay Kumar defined is "Parasari system" is only a

small

> > > part of the teachings of Parasara himself. People read later

day

> > > authors and they think they understood Parasara. This is sad.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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