Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Dear Shri.Rao, Thank you for a very helpful mail on the subject.It is always confusing and even perplexing for a beginers like me to know when to treat a planet as a benefic or malefic.Now can you please clarify as to how to treat them when they own 6th ,8th or 12 in their MT and the other one falling in a trine?For example,Libra lagna and Mercury the 9th and 12th Lord - 12th being its MT house- is in the 5th in Aquaris.How we should see that?Will it destroy the significations of the 5th house but promote the significations of the 9th and 12th houses?But 9th being general fortune and God's grace,how can it damage a very important house like 5th? Can you please clarify? With best regards Kaimal - Rao Nemani Vedic Astrology Group Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:23 PM [vedic astrology] Natural & Functional * Om Krishna Guru * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 <<since all these fucntional benefics etc are useless, unless and until you execute your karma i.e., say you are to drive a car on highway then astrological combinations are just stops on the highway as the car(one's life) moves forward. if we do no drive the car, then the planets hardly do anything >> Don't you think that astrological combinations force us to drive the car. For *us*, future will always remain uncertain no matter how good an astrologer is, that leaves us with no choice other than to execute our karma. But the underlying current remains -- our future is predestined which we cant see with clarity and our destiny is controlling our karma, which we think is in our control ...... what an illusion .......hmmmmmm !! ..... are we living in a matrix ...... lets get back to work guys. -Luca - Rao Nemani Vedic Astrology Group Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:23 PM [vedic astrology] Natural & Functional * Om Krishna Guru * Dear Anand, Let me attempt to give some ideas on the topic, please remember I am a student like you. I always like to see the principles combined with some easy analogies, so that I can understand the topic easily. I have committed for the knowledge transfer, whatever a little knowledge I have, hence I do not afriad to share, becuase I know Guru's and Senior members are always with us to correct me. I think this topic was discussed once long time back. Here's what I know or rather say what I have gathered from Gurus/Seniors from the lists and also based on various messages and books. 1. Natural Benfics and Natural malefics become Functional Malefics and Functional Benefics, when they become owners of Kendras. That does not mean that natural malefics will become completely benefic. It just means that they become benefic for the houses owned or influenced strongly by them otherwise they retain their maleficience in all other matters related to their natural tendencies and hence remain malefic for all other matters. Influence and functional benefic nature also depends upon the strength of the planet involved i.e., it should not be debilitated, combust or close to Rashi-sandhi and not in conjnction with other functional malefics etc., Also the benefic effects of such functional benefics will come during their antardasas/pratyantardasas only and even then their effects will just support the houses(in a benefic way) owned by them (assuming they are strong and placed in favourable signs), but if weak and /or placed in 3rd/6th/8th/12th houses then there will not be much benefic effects and these functional benefics will behave as natural malefics only (or very feeble benfic and mostly malefic only). 2. Natural benefics become functional malefics when they own kendras...they are malefic with respect to the houses owned by them or strongly influenced by them. That does not mean that they will loose all their beneficience. They will still retain their general benefic nature for all other houses and matters controlled by them. However if they are weak i.e, placed in debiliated signs, placed close to Rashi Sandhi , combust, in conjnction with lords of 6th/8th/12th houses and/or placed in 3rd/6th/8th/12th houses, then they will loose even that general beneficience also and become even more malefic and more painful during their periods. 3. Natural Benefics and Natural malefics become functional benefics when they become lords of trikonas(1st, 5th and 9th houses). This is assuming they are not afflicted, weak as given above in step#2. Also natural malefics will retain some of their natural maleficience, but will mostly be benefic for the houses owned by them, as explanied above in step#1. 4. The Lords of Dusthanas -3rd,6th, 8th and 12th are generally malefic and any planet placed in these houses becomes malefic or losses its inherent strength and become painful during its dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa. When afflicted or weak then these lords give even more pain during their periods. 5. Now who are really benefic : Natural benefics are benefic, when they own trikona houses or when they are devoid of Kendra-Adhipati dosha(when they are functional malefics being lords of kendras but if they occupy the house owned by them in kendra, then their is no dosha and the native flourishes). Natural malefics when they become functional benefics, provided they do not own those kendras, owned by them and are not afflicted etc., Natural malefics become benefics when they are placed strongly in trikona houses owned by them or are placed stringly in other houses. Also please note that whenever natural malefics become functional benefics, they mostly support materialism only (they do not support materialism when afflicted, cause financial losses and force one to go in the direction of painful spiritualism at the cost of materialistic failures) 6. If still nothing is clear, then please also see if strong Mahapurusha yogas, strong VRYs, strong NeechBhanga yogas exist etc ., and hopefully most cases are covered by these defnitions... when lot of planets are afflcted then lords of 3rd, 6th and 11th houses can create avenues of materialistic achievements depending upon one's karma since these houses are under our control to a limited extent(after all we have to execute our karma also in any case..since all these fucntional benefics etc are useless, unless and until you execute your karma i.e., say you are to drive a car on highway then astrological combinations are just stops on the highway as the car(one's life) moves forward. if we do no drive the car, then the planets hardly do anything upto desired expectations and force us on their routes forcefully and we will surely land in all types of malefic periods(ditches) in helpless manner, if have we done nothing worth mentioning in benefic periods(just an analogy only ))...that's my humble understanding so far...hope it helps some one. I would request Gurus and learned memebers to correct me if I am wrong. Regards Raghunadha Rao------- "Anand Natarajan" <Anand_natarajan@i...> Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:35 am Natural & Functional Hi What is: 1. Natural Benefic/maleifc 2. Functional Benefic/maleifcIs it: Natural Benefic: Jupiter, Venus, Waxing Moon, Mercury with a benefic Natural Malefic: Saturn,Rahu, Kethu, Waning Moon, Mercury with a malefic Functional Benefic: Yoga karakas Functional Malefic: Bhadaka planet, A Natural Benefic in a Kendra Clarify. regards,N. Anand The New with improved product search Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Hi, I was wondering about this too, mainly wondering because recently I noticed in my children's charts that they all have Jupiter in exchange with a planet in Pisces, but Jupiter is not a benefic for all of them. I have Scorpio lagna, so Jupiter is the fifth lord and a benefic for me though, so it seems like since this Jupiter is connected from my chart playing it's part in their being born, that it would be a good thing, but I don't know. Angie vedic astrology, Rao Nemani <raon1008> wrote: > > * Om Krishna Guru * > > Dear Anand, > > Let me attempt to give some ideas on the topic, please remember I am a student like you. I always like to see the principles combined with some easy analogies, so that I can understand the topic easily. I have committed for the knowledge transfer, whatever a little knowledge I have, hence I do not afriad to share, becuase I know Guru's and Senior members are always with us to correct me. > > I think this topic was discussed once long time back. Here's what I know or rather say what I have gathered from Gurus/Seniors from the lists and also based on various messages and books. > > 1. Natural Benfics and Natural malefics become Functional Malefics > and Functional Benefics, when they become owners of Kendras. That > does not mean that natural malefics will become completely benefic. > It just means that they become benefic for the houses owned or > influenced strongly by them otherwise they retain their maleficience > in all other matters related to their natural tendencies and hence > remain malefic for all other matters. Influence and functional > benefic nature also depends upon the strength of the planet involved > i.e., it should not be debilitated, combust or close to Rashi- sandhi > and not in conjnction with other functional malefics etc., Also the > benefic effects of such functional benefics will come during their > antardasas/pratyantardasas only and even then their effects will just > support the houses(in a benefic way) owned by them (assuming they are > strong and placed in favourable signs), but if weak and /or placed in > 3rd/6th/8th/12th houses then there will not be much benefic effects > and these functional benefics will behave as natural malefics only > (or very feeble benfic and mostly malefic only). > > 2. Natural benefics become functional malefics when they own > kendras...they are malefic with respect to the houses owned by them > or strongly influenced by them. That does not mean that they will > loose all their beneficience. They will still retain their general > benefic nature for all other houses and matters controlled by them. > However if they are weak i.e, placed in debiliated signs, placed > close to Rashi Sandhi , combust, in conjnction with lords of > 6th/8th/12th houses and/or placed in 3rd/6th/8th/12th houses, then > they will loose even that general beneficience also and become even > more malefic and more painful during their periods. > > 3. Natural Benefics and Natural malefics become functional benefics > when they become lords of trikonas(1st, 5th and 9th houses). This is > assuming they are not afflicted, weak as given above in step#2. Also > natural malefics will retain some of their natural maleficience, but > will mostly be benefic for the houses owned by them, as explanied > above in step#1. > > 4. The Lords of Dusthanas -3rd,6th, 8th and 12th are generally > malefic and any planet placed in these houses becomes malefic or > losses its inherent strength and become painful during its > dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa. When afflicted or weak then these > lords give even more pain during their periods. > > 5. Now who are really benefic : Natural benefics are benefic, when > they own trikona houses or when they are devoid of Kendra-Adhipati > dosha(when they are functional malefics being lords of kendras but if > they occupy the house owned by them in kendra, then their is no dosha > and the native flourishes). Natural malefics when they become > functional benefics, provided they do not own those kendras, owned by > them and are not afflicted etc., Natural malefics become benefics > when they are placed strongly in trikona houses owned by them or are > placed stringly in other houses. Also please note that whenever > natural malefics become functional benefics, they mostly support > materialism only (they do not support materialism when afflicted, > cause financial losses and force one to go in the direction of > painful spiritualism at the cost of materialistic failures) > > 6. If still nothing is clear, then please also see if strong > Mahapurusha yogas, strong VRYs, strong NeechBhanga yogas exist > etc ., and hopefully most cases are covered by these defnitions... > when lot of planets are afflcted then lords of 3rd, 6th and 11th > houses can create avenues of materialistic achievements depending > upon one's karma since these houses are under our control to a > limited extent(after all we have to execute our karma also in any > case..since all these fucntional benefics etc are useless, unless and > until you execute your karma i.e., say you are to drive a car on > highway then astrological combinations are just stops on the highway > as the car(one's life) moves forward. if we do no drive the car, then > the planets hardly do anything upto desired expectations and force us > on their routes forcefully and we will surely land in all types of > malefic periods(ditches) in helpless manner, if have we done nothing > worth mentioning in benefic periods(just an analogy only ))...that's > my humble understanding so far...hope it helps some one. > > I would request Gurus and learned memebers to correct me if I am wrong. > > Regards > Raghunadha Rao > ------- > "Anand Natarajan" <Anand_natarajan@i...> > Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:35 am > Natural & Functional > > > Hi > > What is: > 1. Natural Benefic/maleifc > 2. Functional Benefic/maleifc > Is it: > Natural Benefic: Jupiter, Venus, Waxing Moon, Mercury with a benefic > Natural Malefic: Saturn,Rahu, Kethu, Waning Moon, Mercury with a malefic > Functional Benefic: Yoga karakas > Functional Malefic: Bhadaka planet, A Natural Benefic in a Kendra > > Clarify. > > regards, > N. Anand > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Dear Kaimal, If you please allow me to interfere(although your question is directed to Rao), then this quetsion was already answered last month... when Lords of MT are also Lords of 6th/8th/12th houses and also as well as they are lords of kendras/trikonas, then they give mixed results during their antardasas i.e, one half of their periods will be good and other half bad as far as materialistic gains are concerned and they make the native spiritualistic during their periods. Which half will be god and which will be bad (first/second) is another controversial thing. All the best and regards. RMK. vedic astrology, SRCKaimal <srckaimal@a...> wrote: > Dear Shri.Rao, > Thank you for a very helpful mail on the subject.It is always confusing and even perplexing for a beginers like me to know when to treat a planet as a benefic or malefic.Now can you please clarify as to how to treat them when they own 6th ,8th or 12 in their MT and the other one falling in a trine?For example,Libra lagna and Mercury the 9th and 12th Lord - 12th being its MT house- is in the 5th in Aquaris.How we should see that?Will it destroy the significations of the 5th house but promote the significations of the 9th and 12th houses?But 9th being general fortune and God's grace,how can it damage a very important house like 5th? > Can you please clarify? > With best regards > Kaimal > - > Rao Nemani > Vedic Astrology Group > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:23 PM > [vedic astrology] Natural & Functional > > > * Om Krishna Guru * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Dear Kaimal, Well I am not exactly sure but I think that Rashi Sandhi definition means that the concerned planet should be within 2 degrees of either boundary of the Rashi signs i.e., less than 2 degrees when rashi starts or more than 28 degrees when rashi ends. Also if the rashi dispositor or nakshatara dispositors of such a planet(which is close to Rashi sandhi) are , benefic, strong and well placed, then may be the negative painful effects of Rashi sandhi planet can be reduced to some/large extent. Also combustion and affliction by malefics can make such effects even more painful. ALso Vargottama condition is not directly related to NeechBhanga or are you trying to imply that if a planet is in Neecha/Debilitated condition in both Rashi and Navamsa, then does it mean automatic cancellation of debilitation? Well the answer is NO. In that case its double debilitation(assuming other factors for cancellation of debilitation are not present)...it almost means more harsh materialistic effects. Then you have to go into mantras detail for controlling such debilitation by prayers etc., Regards. RMK. vedic astrology, SRCKaimal <srckaimal@a...> wrote: > Dear RMK, > That was a very welcome intervention and thank you for the same.Can also > please let me know whether a planet gets weak when close to Rasi Sandhi like > say below 5 degrees or above 25 degrees? > It is also not clear to me if the Varothama condition gives Neechabhanga or > makes it even weaker, a Neecha planet? > Regards > Kaimal > - > Rajesh Mohan Kumaria <rajeshkumaria2000> > <vedic astrology> > Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:38 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Natural & Functional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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