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Dear Raphael,

 

I've explored that myself- whether Ju is considered malefic or benefic, depends

on approach. One which goes by MT /common/ only, considers Ju malefic.

Integritive approach represented mostly on this List, considers Ju benefic for

Cancer Lagna, based on streght of 9th House, being comparatively much stronger

than sexth.

 

However, it's been recogniozed here that Jupiter ca sometimes

behave as a 'malefic' and negativelly affect 6ThH related issues. My own

experience, as a Cancer Lagna, led me to conclussion that Ju is /mostly/

benefic, with 6th House potential. It is usually quite powerful in protecting

it's significance, but may adversly affect health, most important 6th issue.

 

However, my impression is that in the later case, Ju serves as an Amplifier, if

other bad guys effects coincide in transit, with that of Ju- then health

problems can result /first house/. But it seems to me that even in that case

/first H/ Ju just fails to protect health, due to it's 6thH potential, from

malefics.

 

For Mars and it's 'shared' position, there is no doubt, it's malefic. I guess

you mixed 'planet in own house'

with 'beneficience'- which is not the same- Seventh H and it's Lord, in example

you've given, is Maraka,

and further confirm malefic status. So, it's MALEFIC.

 

Regards,

Anna

smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal > wrote:

Respected members,I have a basic query which concerns with dual ownership of

houses by planets. For a cancer ascendant, Jupiter owns the 6th & 9th house,

where in 6th is a upachya/dusthana and 9th (Pisces) is a trikona. Is it correct

to consider that this planet gives mixed results ?orSince saggitarius is a

moolatrikona of Jupiter would this house (6th house) gain weightage with

respect to the other house ?Similarly for Taurus lagna, Mars being the lord of

7th & 12th when posited in the 7th (Scorpio), but results of 12th (Aries, its

moolatrikona) would be considered ?In the above case let us assume that this is

just one of the factors we are looking into, apart from the other planetary

indications.Thanks in advance,Kind Regards,RavishArchives:

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Dear Raphael,

 

I've explored that myself- whether Ju is considered malefic or benefic, depends

on approach. One which goes by MT /common/ only, considers Ju malefic.

Integritive approach represented mostly on this List, considers Ju benefic for

Cancer Lagna, based on streght of 9th House, being comparatively much stronger

than sexth.

 

However, it's been recogniozed here that Jupiter ca sometimes

behave as a 'malefic' and negativelly affect 6ThH related issues. My own

experience, as a Cancer Lagna, led me to conclussion that Ju is /mostly/

benefic, with 6th House potential. It is usually quite powerful in protecting

it's significance, but may adversly affect health, most important 6th issue.

 

However, my impression is that in the later case, Ju serves as an Amplifier, if

other bad guys effects coincide in transit, with that of Ju- then health

problems can result /first house/. But it seems to me that even in that case

/first H/ Ju just fails to protect health, due to it's 6thH potential, from

malefics.

 

For Mars and it's 'shared' position, there is no doubt, it's malefic. I guess

you mixed 'planet in own house'

with 'beneficience'- which is not the same- Seventh H and it's Lord, in example

you've given, is Maraka,

and further confirm malefic status. So, it's MALEFIC.

 

Regards,

Anna

smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal > wrote:

Respected members,I have a basic query which concerns with dual ownership of

houses by planets. For a cancer ascendant, Jupiter owns the 6th & 9th house,

where in 6th is a upachya/dusthana and 9th (Pisces) is a trikona. Is it correct

to consider that this planet gives mixed results ?orSince saggitarius is a

moolatrikona of Jupiter would this house (6th house) gain weightage with

respect to the other house ?Similarly for Taurus lagna, Mars being the lord of

7th & 12th when posited in the 7th (Scorpio), but results of 12th (Aries, its

moolatrikona) would be considered ?In the above case let us assume that this is

just one of the factors we are looking into, apart from the other planetary

indications.Thanks in advance,Kind Regards,RavishArchives:

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Dear Anna,

 

Thank you for your thoughts on the matter. It seems logical to

follow the integrative approach based on relative strenghts of the

houses involved ! In the other example related to Mars I was of the

opinion that 7th being a Kendra from asc. (Taurus) would @least give

Mars some beneficience compared to his ownership of MT Aries which

is the 12th house for the same lagna !

 

Your thoughts on health have raised another doubt, while the general

trend is to look into 6th house for ill-health, there are other

houses, such as 4th house (heart), 2nd house (eyes) which are

pointed out in classics. So generally speaking 6th house alone or

its associations may not be able to give a clear picture about one's

health !

 

How if 6th is not afflicted @ all, but one of these above mentioned

houses are afflicted ? Then the person does suffer ill-health right ?

 

Kind regards,

Ravish

 

vedic astrology, AR <bona_mente> wrote:

> Dear Raphael,

>

> I've explored that myself- whether Ju is considered malefic or

benefic, depends on approach. One which goes by MT /common/ only,

considers Ju malefic. Integritive approach represented mostly on

this List, considers Ju benefic for Cancer Lagna, based on streght

of 9th House, being comparatively much stronger than sexth.

>

> However, it's been recogniozed here that Jupiter ca sometimes

> behave as a 'malefic' and negativelly affect 6ThH related issues.

My own experience, as a Cancer Lagna, led me to conclussion that Ju

is /mostly/ benefic, with 6th House potential. It is usually quite

powerful in protecting it's significance, but may adversly affect

health, most important 6th issue.

>

> However, my impression is that in the later case, Ju serves as an

Amplifier, if other bad guys effects coincide in transit, with that

of Ju- then health problems can result /first house/. But it seems

to me that even in that case /first H/ Ju just fails to protect

health, due to it's 6thH potential, from malefics.

>

> For Mars and it's 'shared' position, there is no doubt, it's

malefic. I guess you mixed 'planet in own house'

> with 'beneficience'- which is not the same- Seventh H and it's

Lord, in example you've given, is Maraka,

> and further confirm malefic status. So, it's MALEFIC.

>

> Regards,

> Anna

>

>

>

> smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal> wrote:

> Respected members,

>

> I have a basic query which concerns with dual ownership of houses

by

> planets. For a cancer ascendant, Jupiter owns the 6th & 9th house,

> where in 6th is a upachya/dusthana and 9th (Pisces) is a trikona.

>

> Is it correct to consider that this planet gives mixed results ?

> or

> Since saggitarius is a moolatrikona of Jupiter would this house

(6th

> house) gain weightage with respect to the other house ?

>

> Similarly for Taurus lagna, Mars being the lord of 7th & 12th when

> posited in the 7th (Scorpio), but results of 12th (Aries, its

> moolatrikona) would be considered ?

>

> In the above case let us assume that this is just one of the

factors

> we are looking into, apart from the other planetary indications.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Kind Regards,

> Ravish

>

>

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Dear Raphael,

 

Sorry, seems I wasn't clear enough- I was talking of Ju transit L. and 1st

House, where Ju is exalted, for Cn Lagna- it can manifest /naturally?/ its

sixth H. potential- i.e health problems. We cannot predict health issues based

on 6th only, and certainly not based on it's Lord. You are right. Besides,

sixth house is also upachaya /as well as dusthana/ and even when it indicates

health problems their nature is not permanent /as in eight/ and improve with

time.

Sixth H has more meaning, and it contributes to growth of Lagna- however, houses

whose Lord is in 6th H. suffer

 

Again it may well be that Ju over lagna tr. when coincides with other bad

transits, doesn't give protection to Lagna? In any event do not expect

spectacularly good time when Ju tr. L. /gain weight, yes.

 

I hope I've been clear now.

 

I understand the reason why you like 'eclectic' approach, for that reason I am here too.

I am using this oportunity to add one more Q- I have noticed that Cn Lagna with

Jupiter in 1st, for some reasons doesn't work as one would expect from exalted

planet, and is much more favourable if placed in other houses. /generation 54,

55, with Cn Lagna for ex./

 

Weight problems- obesity, laziness and other /bad/ kapha manifestations are

more likely from there /and good ones, too, I guess?/. Whether that makes life

of natives 'easier' is questionable, and the ambition, drive of Ju in Sag, for

ex, is not there.

Ju in Pi, in 9th brings also that contemplative 'kapha' element, and is

certainly good for spiritual things- but I ussually say, Ju is in pajama there,

and for mundane benefits, Ju in Sag /in the office/ seems to be better. Ju in Cn

is still an enigma to me, not only because it's 8th from its MT, but also

because it's exalted there.

 

Regards,

Anna

 

 

 

smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal > wrote:

Dear Anna,Thank you for your thoughts on the matter. It seems logical to follow

the integrative approach based on relative strenghts of the houses involved !

In the other example related to Mars I was of the opinion that 7th being a

Kendra from asc. (Taurus) would @least give Mars some beneficience compared to

his ownership of MT Aries which is the 12th house for the same lagna !Your

thoughts on health have raised another doubt, while the general trend is to

look into 6th house for ill-health, there are other houses, such as 4th house

(heart), 2nd house (eyes) which are pointed out in classics. So generally

speaking 6th house alone or its associations may not be able to give a clear

picture about one's health !How if 6th is not afflicted @ all, but one of these

above mentioned houses are afflicted ? Then the

person does suffer ill-health right ?Kind regards,Ravish--- In

vedic astrology, AR <bona_mente> wrote:> Dear Raphael,> >

I've explored that myself- whether Ju is considered malefic or benefic, depends

on approach. One which goes by MT /common/ only, considers Ju malefic.

Integritive approach represented mostly on this List, considers Ju benefic for

Cancer Lagna, based on streght of 9th House, being comparatively much stronger

than sexth. > > However, it's been recogniozed here that Jupiter ca sometimes

> behave as a 'malefic' and negativelly affect 6ThH related issues. My own

experience, as a Cancer Lagna, led me to conclussion that Ju is /mostly/

benefic, with 6th House potential. It is usually quite powerful in protecting

it's significance, but may adversly affect health, most important 6th issue. >

> However, my impression is

that in the later case, Ju serves as an Amplifier, if other bad guys effects

coincide in transit, with that of Ju- then health problems can result /first

house/. But it seems to me that even in that case /first H/ Ju just fails to

protect health, due to it's 6thH potential, from malefics.> > For Mars and

it's 'shared' position, there is no doubt, it's malefic. I guess you mixed

'planet in own house' > with 'beneficience'- which is not the same- Seventh H

and it's Lord, in example you've given, is Maraka, > and further confirm

malefic status. So, it's MALEFIC.> > Regards,> Anna> > > > smart_rapheal

<smart_rapheal> wrote:> Respected members,> > I have a basic query which

concerns with dual ownership of houses by > planets. For a cancer ascendant,

Jupiter owns the 6th & 9th house, > where in 6th is a

upachya/dusthana and 9th (Pisces) is a trikona. > > Is it correct to consider

that this planet gives mixed results ?> or> Since saggitarius is a moolatrikona

of Jupiter would this house (6th > house) gain weightage with respect to the

other house ?> > Similarly for Taurus lagna, Mars being the lord of 7th & 12th

when > posited in the 7th (Scorpio), but results of 12th (Aries, its >

moolatrikona) would be considered ?> > In the above case let us assume that

this is just one of the factors > we are looking into, apart from the other

planetary indications.> > Thanks in advance,> > Kind Regards,> Ravish> > >

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Dear Raphael,

 

Sorry, seems I wasn't clear enough- I was talking of Ju transit L. and 1st

House, where Ju is exalted, for Cn Lagna- it can manifest /naturally?/ its

sixth H. potential- i.e health problems. We cannot predict health issues based

on 6th only, and certainly not based on it's Lord. You are right. Besides,

sixth house is also upachaya /as well as dusthana/ and even when it indicates

health problems their nature is not permanent /as in eight/ and improve with

time.

Sixth H has more meaning, and it contributes to growth of Lagna- however, houses

whose Lord is in 6th H. suffer

 

Again it may well be that Ju over lagna tr. when coincides with other bad

transits, doesn't give protection to Lagna? In any event do not expect

spectacularly good time when Ju tr. L. /gain weight, yes.

 

I hope I've been clear now.

 

I understand the reason why you like 'eclectic' approach, for that reason I am here too.

I am using this oportunity to add one more Q- I have noticed that Cn Lagna with

Jupiter in 1st, for some reasons doesn't work as one would expect from exalted

planet, and is much more favourable if placed in other houses. /generation 54,

55, with Cn Lagna for ex./

 

Weight problems- obesity, laziness and other /bad/ kapha manifestations are

more likely from there /and good ones, too, I guess?/. Whether that makes life

of natives 'easier' is questionable, and the ambition, drive of Ju in Sag, for

ex, is not there.

Ju in Pi, in 9th brings also that contemplative 'kapha' element, and is

certainly good for spiritual things- but I ussually say, Ju is in pajama there,

and for mundane benefits, Ju in Sag /in the office/ seems to be better. Ju in Cn

is still an enigma to me, not only because it's 8th from its MT, but also

because it's exalted there.

 

Regards,

Anna

 

 

 

smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal > wrote:

Dear Anna,Thank you for your thoughts on the matter. It seems logical to follow

the integrative approach based on relative strenghts of the houses involved !

In the other example related to Mars I was of the opinion that 7th being a

Kendra from asc. (Taurus) would @least give Mars some beneficience compared to

his ownership of MT Aries which is the 12th house for the same lagna !Your

thoughts on health have raised another doubt, while the general trend is to

look into 6th house for ill-health, there are other houses, such as 4th house

(heart), 2nd house (eyes) which are pointed out in classics. So generally

speaking 6th house alone or its associations may not be able to give a clear

picture about one's health !How if 6th is not afflicted @ all, but one of these

above mentioned houses are afflicted ? Then the

person does suffer ill-health right ?Kind regards,Ravish--- In

vedic astrology, AR <bona_mente> wrote:> Dear Raphael,> >

I've explored that myself- whether Ju is considered malefic or benefic, depends

on approach. One which goes by MT /common/ only, considers Ju malefic.

Integritive approach represented mostly on this List, considers Ju benefic for

Cancer Lagna, based on streght of 9th House, being comparatively much stronger

than sexth. > > However, it's been recogniozed here that Jupiter ca sometimes

> behave as a 'malefic' and negativelly affect 6ThH related issues. My own

experience, as a Cancer Lagna, led me to conclussion that Ju is /mostly/

benefic, with 6th House potential. It is usually quite powerful in protecting

it's significance, but may adversly affect health, most important 6th issue. >

> However, my impression is

that in the later case, Ju serves as an Amplifier, if other bad guys effects

coincide in transit, with that of Ju- then health problems can result /first

house/. But it seems to me that even in that case /first H/ Ju just fails to

protect health, due to it's 6thH potential, from malefics.> > For Mars and

it's 'shared' position, there is no doubt, it's malefic. I guess you mixed

'planet in own house' > with 'beneficience'- which is not the same- Seventh H

and it's Lord, in example you've given, is Maraka, > and further confirm

malefic status. So, it's MALEFIC.> > Regards,> Anna> > > > smart_rapheal

<smart_rapheal> wrote:> Respected members,> > I have a basic query which

concerns with dual ownership of houses by > planets. For a cancer ascendant,

Jupiter owns the 6th & 9th house, > where in 6th is a

upachya/dusthana and 9th (Pisces) is a trikona. > > Is it correct to consider

that this planet gives mixed results ?> or> Since saggitarius is a moolatrikona

of Jupiter would this house (6th > house) gain weightage with respect to the

other house ?> > Similarly for Taurus lagna, Mars being the lord of 7th & 12th

when > posited in the 7th (Scorpio), but results of 12th (Aries, its >

moolatrikona) would be considered ?> > In the above case let us assume that

this is just one of the factors > we are looking into, apart from the other

planetary indications.> > Thanks in advance,> > Kind Regards,> Ravish> > >

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Dear Anna,

 

Thank you, am receiving you now loud & clear :-) ! Interesting what

you have quoted about Jup in cancer, for cancer lagna people. I too

have seen/studied one such horoscope. What I have observed about

this person, I will present below, please do let me know what your

observations have been !

 

The person I observed had a over-whelming need to stand & live by

the ideals of the world rather than ones own ideals. Constantly

worried about what other ppl might think/say. Though some of this

might have been due to the fact that Moon lagna lord, is in 12th to

the lagna, Jupiter I think also might have a strong role to play in

this thought process (being the 9th lord ?), social stigma.....etc ?

 

Would be interesting to get more thoughts on this lagna !

 

Regards,

Ravish

 

vedic astrology, AR <bona_mente> wrote:

> Dear Raphael,

>

> Sorry, seems I wasn't clear enough- I was talking of Ju transit L.

and 1st House, where Ju is exalted, for Cn Lagna- it can

manifest /naturally?/ its sixth H. potential- i.e health problems.

We cannot predict health issues based on 6th only, and certainly not

based on it's Lord. You are right. Besides, sixth house is also

upachaya /as well as dusthana/ and even when it indicates health

problems their nature is not permanent /as in eight/ and improve

with time.

> Sixth H has more meaning, and it contributes to growth of Lagna-

however, houses whose Lord is in 6th H. suffer

>

> Again it may well be that Ju over lagna tr. when coincides with

other bad transits, doesn't give protection to Lagna? In any event

do not expect spectacularly good time when Ju tr. L. /gain weight,

yes.

>

> I hope I've been clear now.

>

> I understand the reason why you like 'eclectic' approach, for that

reason I am here too.

>

> I am using this oportunity to add one more Q- I have noticed that

Cn Lagna with Jupiter in 1st, for some reasons doesn't work as one

would expect from exalted planet, and is much more favourable if

placed in other houses. /generation 54, 55, with Cn Lagna for ex./

>

> Weight problems- obesity, laziness and other /bad/ kapha

manifestations are more likely from there /and good ones, too, I

guess?/. Whether that makes life of natives 'easier' is

questionable, and the ambition, drive of Ju in Sag, for ex, is not

there.

> Ju in Pi, in 9th brings also that contemplative 'kapha' element,

and is certainly good for spiritual things- but I ussually say, Ju

is in pajama there, and for mundane benefits, Ju in Sag /in the

office/ seems to be better. Ju in Cn is still an enigma to me, not

only because it's 8th from its MT, but also because it's exalted

there.

>

> Regards,

> Anna

>

>

>

>

> smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal> wrote:

>

> Dear Anna,

>

> Thank you for your thoughts on the matter. It seems logical to

> follow the integrative approach based on relative strenghts of the

> houses involved ! In the other example related to Mars I was of

the

> opinion that 7th being a Kendra from asc. (Taurus) would @least

give

> Mars some beneficience compared to his ownership of MT Aries which

> is the 12th house for the same lagna !

>

> Your thoughts on health have raised another doubt, while the

general

> trend is to look into 6th house for ill-health, there are other

> houses, such as 4th house (heart), 2nd house (eyes) which are

> pointed out in classics. So generally speaking 6th house alone or

> its associations may not be able to give a clear picture about

one's

> health !

>

> How if 6th is not afflicted @ all, but one of these above

mentioned

> houses are afflicted ? Then the person does suffer ill-health

right ?

>

> Kind regards,

> Ravish

>

> vedic astrology, AR <bona_mente> wrote:

> > Dear Raphael,

> >

> > I've explored that myself- whether Ju is considered malefic or

> benefic, depends on approach. One which goes by MT /common/ only,

> considers Ju malefic. Integritive approach represented mostly on

> this List, considers Ju benefic for Cancer Lagna, based on streght

> of 9th House, being comparatively much stronger than sexth.

> >

> > However, it's been recogniozed here that Jupiter ca sometimes

> > behave as a 'malefic' and negativelly affect 6ThH related

issues.

> My own experience, as a Cancer Lagna, led me to conclussion that

Ju

> is /mostly/ benefic, with 6th House potential. It is usually quite

> powerful in protecting it's significance, but may adversly affect

> health, most important 6th issue.

> >

> > However, my impression is that in the later case, Ju serves as

an

> Amplifier, if other bad guys effects coincide in transit, with

that

> of Ju- then health problems can result /first house/. But it seems

> to me that even in that case /first H/ Ju just fails to protect

> health, due to it's 6thH potential, from malefics.

> >

> > For Mars and it's 'shared' position, there is no doubt, it's

> malefic. I guess you mixed 'planet in own house'

> > with 'beneficience'- which is not the same- Seventh H and it's

> Lord, in example you've given, is Maraka,

> > and further confirm malefic status. So, it's MALEFIC.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Anna

> >

> >

> >

> > smart_rapheal <smart_rapheal> wrote:

> > Respected members,

> >

> > I have a basic query which concerns with dual ownership of

houses

> by

> > planets. For a cancer ascendant, Jupiter owns the 6th & 9th

house,

> > where in 6th is a upachya/dusthana and 9th (Pisces) is a

trikona.

> >

> > Is it correct to consider that this planet gives mixed results ?

> > or

> > Since saggitarius is a moolatrikona of Jupiter would this house

> (6th

> > house) gain weightage with respect to the other house ?

> >

> > Similarly for Taurus lagna, Mars being the lord of 7th & 12th

when

> > posited in the 7th (Scorpio), but results of 12th (Aries, its

> > moolatrikona) would be considered ?

> >

> > In the above case let us assume that this is just one of the

> factors

> > we are looking into, apart from the other planetary indications.

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> > Ravish

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

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astrology/info.html

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