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Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Vishwanadham,Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the divine

science which is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They did not ,

in fact, give different systems. What each did was give different perspectives,

on the basis of the same basics.Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or

other Rishi the credit as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one

system or another. The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct shishya

lineage, who had the advantage of learning from their Guru, is available to

explain the true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. One has also to

understand that many sages of same name wrote different Vedangas. This has led

many to ascribe the authorship of the text favoured by one to the most

ancient of them and thus claiming the text to be the origin of Jyotish. It is

very well to equate Surya mentioned as one of the pravartakas but

the fact remains that it might be reference to the writer of Surya Siddhanta and

so on. Sages were refered to by their Gotra, place of residence and even their

colour, different names being used to describe the same person. This should not

be forgotten. Many a times titles were conferred upon them and therefore, that

it is difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains a fact.There are

also different versions of the same texts in circulation. It might be

fashionable to claim to be follower of one system or other, but the fact

remains that Jyotish is based on sound principles and all the sages gave

instructions in words that they thought their students will comprehend better.

This is why you will find the texts referring to the opinion of others with

equal respect.As I said earlier one should follow the system that he has

understood the basics of, and can apply them to real life horoscopes.Hope this

helps.Chandrashekhar.Dear pedagogues,

kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is the teachings of

POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his disciples or otherwise .

May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

H S Viswanadham wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,> > Your

longish mails are very informative. Pls keep writing longish > ones. At the end

of the last mail you were saying it became too long. > It was a good mail. Now

your clarification is still better.> > i also feel that people using True

nodes & using different ayanamsas > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may

say so!).> > From what you said, can we speculate that the other Rishis whose

works > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could be the root of >

all this?> > Many thanks and best regards> viswanadham>> */Anna

<bona_mente >/* wrote:>> Dear Chandrashekar,> I have read

carefully..> Thank

you.> Anna>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:>>

Dear Anna,> I am sorry that you appear to be shocked with my opinions.

I> would like> you to read what I have said carefully again.

You will find> that I have> already clarified that one should

use the system that one is> comfortable> with, and have also

said that different Rishis devised different> systems. If you read the

mail in its entirety, you

will> understand that> I am not saying anything contradictory

to what is taught,but> am trying> to indicate how the teachings

are to be used. I merely say that> application of different system

without understanding the> logic behind> them could lead one to

a wrong prediction. An example would be> Prashna> Marga of

deciding Aarudha based on the location of the querist> or his>

placing

a piece of Gold on a particular direction on the> circular chart.>

Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this method can use the>

principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara and one will arrive at>

correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived at by using Parashara>

principles will give correct predictions when it is used to> arrive at>

conclusions based on the results given in Prashna Marga? I am>

certain> you will not. Similarly can Gulika and Mandi at

different> points of> reference be used when applying Jaataka

Paarijata parameters,> when the> text states specifically that

they are synonyms of the same> upagraha?> The logic behind what

I wrote will be clear to you.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.>

Anna wrote:>> >> >> > */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/*

wrote:> > > > Dear Chandrashekar,> > You raised serious

issues here, indeed. I just copied some> parts,> > although the

entire post questions in fact all we've learnt> here, so far.> >

You said:*_You can not apply say Metric system to> manufacture a bolt>

> and BSW for the nut , they would never fit properly._*> >>

> You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas,

that we are> thought to use> > along with graha dristi etc..I

feel this is rather serious> and wish if> > could see more

comments on this- this is in fact the first> time I see> > on

THIS list such a view; implications would be far-reaching> with lots>

> of fundamental questions raised.> >> > Thank You.>

>> >

Best regards,> >> > Anna> >> > > >>

> > >> >> > > > *There are many systems based

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charts etc. One should have a uniform> approach to> > any chart

one analyses. _You can not apply say Metric system to> > manufacture a

bolt and BSW for the nut , they

would never> fit properly._> > *> > **> > *Not

much work has been done on Aarudhas and other> parameters even by the>

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carries no> > substance, only that> > exahaustive work has not

been done on this aspect. _Even the> major yogas> > are not

based on these concept and as such it is

difficult> to know the> > correct method of their application._

It is very well to wax> eloquent on> > their applicability and

the principles behind such practice,> it is> > another matter

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Dear Sathiyanarayana,

Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However as the name

suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas, supposed to be

written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not being any

Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of texts/shlokas

attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would infer from the

title of the text.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

>

> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

>

> Dear Vishwanadham,

> Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the divine science

> which

> is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They did not , in

> fact,

> give different systems. What each did was give different

> perspectives,

> on the basis of the same basics.

> Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other Rishi the

> credit

> as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one system or

> another.

> The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct shishya lineage,

> who had

> the advantage of learning from their Guru, is available to explain

> the

> true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. One has also to

> understand that many sages of same name wrote different Vedangas.

> This

> has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text favoured by

> one to

> the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to be the

> origin of

> Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as one of the

> pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be reference to the

> writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were refered to by their

> Gotra, place of residence and even their colour, different names

> being

> used to describe the same person. This should not be forgotten.

> Many a

> times titles were conferred upon them and therefore, that it is

> difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains a fact.

> There are also different versions of the same texts in

> circulation. It

> might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one system or

> other, but

> the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound principles and all

> the

> sages gave instructions in words that they thought their students

> will

> comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts referring

> to the

> opinion of others with equal respect.

> As I said earlier one should follow the system that he has understood

> the basics of, and can apply them to real life horoscopes.

> Hope this helps.

> Chandrashekhar.

> Dear pedagogues,

>

> kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is the

> teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his disciples or

> otherwise .

>

> May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

>

> D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

>

> H S Viswanadham wrote:

>

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,

> >

> > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep writing longish

> > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it became too

> long.

> > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still better.

> >

> > i also feel that people using True nodes & using different

> ayanamsas

> > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!).

> >

> > From what you said, can we speculate that the other Rishis whose

> works

> > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could be the root of

> > all this?

> >

> > Many thanks and best regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > */Anna <bona_mente/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > I have read carefully..

> > Thank you.

> > Anna

> >

> > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Anna,

> > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked with my opinions. I

> > would like

> > you to read what I have said carefully again. You will find

> > that I have

> > already clarified that one should use the system that one is

> > comfortable

> > with, and have also said that different Rishis devised

> different

> > systems. If you read the mail in its entirety, you will

> > understand that

> > I am not saying anything contradictory to what is

> taught,but

> > am trying

> > to indicate how the teachings are to be used. I merely

> say that

> > application of different system without understanding the

> > logic behind

> > them could lead one to a wrong prediction. An example

> would be

> > Prashna

> > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the location of the

> querist

> > or his

> > placing a piece of Gold on a particular direction on the

> > circular chart.

> > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this method can

> use the

> > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara and one will

> arrive at

> > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived at by using

> Parashara

> > principles will give correct predictions when it is used to

> > arrive at

> > conclusions based on the results given in Prashna Marga?

> I am

> > certain

> > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and Mandi at different

> > points of

> > reference be used when applying Jaataka Paarijata

> parameters,

> > when the

> > text states specifically that they are synonyms of the same

> > upagraha?

> > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear to you.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > Anna wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I just copied some

> > parts,

> > > although the entire post questions in fact all we've

> learnt

> > here, so far.

> > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric system to

> > manufacture a bolt

> > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit properly._*

> > >

> > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas, that we are

> > thought to use

> > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is rather serious

> > and wish if

> > > could see more comments on this- this is in fact the first

> > time I see

> > > on THIS list such a view; implications would be

> far-reaching

> > with lots

> > > of fundamental questions raised.

> > >

> > > Thank You.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Anna

> > >

> > > *There are many systems based on the experience of the

> > Rishis, who

> > > formulated them...*

> > > **

> > > * one

> > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty and when the

> > prediction goes

> > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining away the reason of

> > the failure by

> > > application of Rasi drishty. Same is the case with use of

> > Aarudhas,

> > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One should have a

> uniform

> > approach to

> > > any chart one analyses. _You can not apply say Metric

> system to

> > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut , they would never

> > fit properly._

> > > *

> > > **

> > > *Not much work has been done on Aarudhas and other

> > parameters even by the

> > > ancient sages and ...This does not mean that the concept

> > carries no

> > > substance, only that

> > > exahaustive work has not been done on this aspect.

> _Even the

> > major yogas

> > > are not based on these concept and as such it is difficult

> > to know the

> > > correct method of their application._ It is very well

> to wax

> > eloquent on

> > > their applicability and the principles behind such

> practice,

> > it is

> > > another matter giving Authentic quotes from standard texts

> > to support

> > > the premise.

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Thank you for your advices, now I understand that

' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at

SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu

INDIA.

With regards,

D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana,Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However

as the name suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas, supposed to

be written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not being any Uttara

Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of texts/shlokas attributed to

Parashara. Or at least this is what I would infer from the title of the

text.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:>>> */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:>> Dear Vishwanadham,> Thank you. Various

pravartakas elaborated upon the divine science> which> is said to have

descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They did not , in>

fact,> give different systems. What each did was give different>

perspectives,> on the basis of the same basics.> Unfortunately

astrologers started giving one or other Rishi the> credit> as

originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one system or> another.>

The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct shishya lineage,> who had>

the advantage of learning from their Guru, is available to explain> the>

true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. One has also to>

understand that many sages of same name wrote different Vedangas.>

This> has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text favoured by>

one to> the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to be the>

origin of> Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as one of the

> pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be reference to the>

writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were refered to by their> Gotra,

place of residence and even their colour, different names> being> used

to describe the same person. This should not be forgotten.> Many a>

times titles were conferred upon them and therefore, that it is> difficult

to establish antiquity of the Sages remains a fact.> There are also

different versions of the same texts in> circulation. It> might be

fashionable to claim to be follower of one system or> other, but> the

fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound principles and all> the>

sages gave instructions in words that they thought their students> will>

comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts referring> to the>

opinion of others with equal respect.> As I said earlier one should

follow the system that he has understood> the basics of, and can apply them

to real life

horoscopes.> Hope this helps.> Chandrashekhar.> Dear pedagogues,>>

kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is the> teachings of

POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his disciples or> otherwise .>> May DEVA

GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.>> D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.>> H S

Viswanadham wrote:>> > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar

Ji,> > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep writing

longish> > ones. At the end of the last mail you were

saying it became too> long.> > It was a good mail. Now your

clarification is still better.> > > > i also feel that people using

True nodes & using different> ayanamsas> > are sticking to their own

basics ( if i may say so!).> > > > From what you said, can we speculate

that the other Rishis whose> works> > are lost were using different

'systems'. What could be the root of> > all this?> > > > Many

thanks and best regards> > viswanadham> >> > */Anna

<bona_mente >/* wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekar,> >

I have read carefully..> > Thank you.> > Anna> >> >

*/Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:> >> > Dear

Anna,> > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked with my opinions.

I> > would like> > you to

read what I have said carefully again. You will find> > that I have>

> already clarified that one should use the system that one is>

> comfortable> > with, and have also said that different

Rishis devised > different> > systems. If you read the mail in

its entirety, you will> > understand that> > I am not

saying anything contradictory to what is>

taught,but> > am trying> > to indicate how the teachings

are to be used. I merely> say that> > application of different

system without understanding the> > logic behind> >

them could lead one to a wrong prediction. An example> would be> >

Prashna> > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the location of

the>

querist> > or his> > placing a piece of Gold on a

particular direction on the> > circular chart.> > Now

would you say Aarudha arrived at by this method can> use the> >

principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara and one will> arrive at> >

correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived at by using> Parashara>

> principles will give

correct predictions when it is used to> > arrive at> >

conclusions based on the results given in Prashna Marga?> I am> >

certain> > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and Mandi at

different> > points of> > reference be used when

applying Jaataka Paarijata> parameters,> > when the>

> text states specifically that they are synonyms of the same> >

upagraha?> > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear to

you.> > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > Anna

wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >

*/Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/*

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandrashekar,> > >

You raised serious issues here, indeed. I just copied some> >

parts,> > > although the entire post questions in fact all we've>

learnt> > here, so far.> > > You said:*_You can not

apply say Metric system to> > manufacture a

bolt> > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit properly._*>

> >> > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas, that we

are> > thought to use> > > along with graha dristi

etc..I feel this is rather serious> > and wish if> > >

could see more comments on this- this is in fact the first> > time

I

see> > > on THIS list such a view; implications would be>

far-reaching> > with lots> > > of fundamental questions

raised.> > >> > > Thank You.> > >> >

> Best regards,> > >> > >

Anna> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > >> > > *There are many

systems based on the experience of the> > Rishis, who> >

> formulated

them...*> > > **> > > * one> > > predicts on

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with use of> > Aarudhas,>

> > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One should have a> uniform>

> approach to> > > any chart one analyses. _You can not

apply say Metric> system to> > > manufacture a bolt and BSW

for the nut , they would never> > fit properly._> > >

*> > > **> > > *Not much work has been done on

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to

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Dear Sathiyanarayana,

Since you know the source where it is available, find out if Uttara

Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on Brihat

Parashara Hora Shastra.

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,

>

> Thank you for your advices, now I understand that

>

> ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at

> SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu

> INDIA.

> With regards,

> D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .

>

> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

>

> Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However as the

> name

> suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas, supposed to be

> written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not being any

> Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of texts/shlokas

> attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would infer

> from the

> title of the text.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

>

> >

> > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vishwanadham,

> > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the divine

> science

> > which

> > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They did

> not , in

> > fact,

> > give different systems. What each did was give different

> > perspectives,

> > on the basis of the same basics.

> > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other Rishi the

> > credit

> > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one system or

> > another.

> > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct shishya lineage,

> > who had

> > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is available to

> explain

> > the

> > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. One has

> also to

> > understand that many sages of same name wrote different

> Vedangas.

> > This

> > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text favoured by

> > one to

> > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to be the

> > origin of

> > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as one of

> the

> > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be reference

> to the

> > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were refered to

> by their

> > Gotra, place of residence and even their colour, different

> names

> > being

> > used to describe the same person. This should not be forgotten.

> > Many a

> > times titles were conferred upon them and therefore, that it is

> > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains a fact.

> > There are also different versions of the same texts in

> > circulation. It

> > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one system or

> > other, but

> > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound principles

> and all

> > the

> > sages gave instructions in words that they thought their

> students

> > will

> > comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts referring

> > to the

> > opinion of others with equal respect.

> > As I said earlier one should follow the system that he has

> understood

> > the basics of, and can apply them to real life horoscopes.

> > Hope this helps.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > Dear pedagogues,

> >

> > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is the

> > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his disciples or

> > otherwise .

> >

> > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

> >

> > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> >

> > H S Viswanadham wrote:

> >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,

> > >

> > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep writing

> longish

> > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it

> became too

> > long.

> > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still better.

> > >

> > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using different

> > ayanamsas

> > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!).

> > >

> > > From what you said, can we speculate that the other Rishis

> whose

> > works

> > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could be

> the root of

> > > all this?

> > >

> > > Many thanks and best regards

> > > viswanadham

> > >

> > > */Anna <bona_mente/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > I have read carefully..

> > > Thank you.

> > > Anna

> > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Anna,

> > > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked with my

> opinions. I

> > > would like

> > > you to read what I have said carefully again. You

> will find

> > > that I have

> > > already clarified that one should use the system

> that one is

> > > comfortable

> > > with, and have also said that different Rishis

> devised

> > different

> > > systems. If you read the mail in its entirety, you

> will

> > > understand that

> > > I am not saying anything contradictory to what is

> > taught,but

> > > am trying

> > > to indicate how the teachings are to be used. I merely

> > say that

> > > application of different system without

> understanding the

> > > logic behind

> > > them could lead one to a wrong prediction. An example

> > would be

> > > Prashna

> > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the location of the

> > querist

> > > or his

> > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular direction

> on the

> > > circular chart.

> > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this

> method can

> > use the

> > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara and one

> will

> > arrive at

> > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived at by

> using

> > Parashara

> > > principles will give correct predictions when it

> is used to

> > > arrive at

> > > conclusions based on the results given in Prashna

> Marga?

> > I am

> > > certain

> > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and Mandi at

> different

> > > points of

> > > reference be used when applying Jaataka Paarijata

> > parameters,

> > > when the

> > > text states specifically that they are synonyms of

> the same

> > > upagraha?

> > > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear to you.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > Anna wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I just

> copied some

> > > parts,

> > > > although the entire post questions in fact all we've

> > learnt

> > > here, so far.

> > > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric system to

> > > manufacture a bolt

> > > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit

> properly._*

> > > >

> > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas, that

> we are

> > > thought to use

> > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is

> rather serious

> > > and wish if

> > > > could see more comments on this- this is in fact

> the first

> > > time I see

> > > > on THIS list such a view; implications would be

> > far-reaching

> > > with lots

> > > > of fundamental questions raised.

> > > >

> > > > Thank You.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Anna

> > > >

> > > > *There are many systems based on the experience

> of the

> > > Rishis, who

> > > > formulated them...*

> > > > **

> > > > * one

> > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty and when the

> > > prediction goes

> > > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining away the

> reason of

> > > the failure by

> > > > application of Rasi drishty. Same is the case

> with use of

> > > Aarudhas,

> > > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One should have a

> > uniform

> > > approach to

> > > > any chart one analyses. _You can not apply say

> Metric

> > system to

> > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut , they

> would never

> > > fit properly._

> > > > *

> > > > **

> > > > *Not much work has been done on Aarudhas and other

> > > parameters even by the

> > > > ancient sages and ...This does not mean that the

> concept

> > > carries no

> > > > substance, only that

> > > > exahaustive work has not been done on this aspect.

> > _Even the

> > > major yogas

> > > > are not based on these concept and as such it is

> difficult

> > > to know the

> > > > correct method of their application._ It is very

> well

> > to wax

> > > eloquent on

> > > > their applicability and the principles behind such

> > practice,

> > > it is

> > > > another matter giving Authentic quotes from

> standard texts

> > > to support

> > > > the premise.

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a

Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc starting

from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come across

any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I have

asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha Raoji.It is

difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be needed as

well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us

understand the validity of aspects within divisional charts.

Thanks in advance

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> Since you know the source where it is available, find out if

Uttara

> Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on

Brihat

> Parashara Hora Shastra.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

>

> > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that

> >

> > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at

> > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu

> > INDIA.

> > With regards,

> > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .

> >

> > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> > Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However

as the

> > name

> > suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas,

supposed to be

> > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not

being any

> > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of

texts/shlokas

> > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would

infer

> > from the

> > title of the text.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishwanadham,

> > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the

divine

> > science

> > > which

> > > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They

did

> > not , in

> > > fact,

> > > give different systems. What each did was give

different

> > > perspectives,

> > > on the basis of the same basics.

> > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other

Rishi the

> > > credit

> > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one

system or

> > > another.

> > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct

shishya lineage,

> > > who had

> > > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is

available to

> > explain

> > > the

> > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion.

One has

> > also to

> > > understand that many sages of same name wrote different

> > Vedangas.

> > > This

> > > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text

favoured by

> > > one to

> > > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to

be the

> > > origin of

> > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as

one of

> > the

> > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be

reference

> > to the

> > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were

refered to

> > by their

> > > Gotra, place of residence and even their colour,

different

> > names

> > > being

> > > used to describe the same person. This should not be

forgotten.

> > > Many a

> > > times titles were conferred upon them and therefore,

that it is

> > > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains

a fact.

> > > There are also different versions of the same texts in

> > > circulation. It

> > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one

system or

> > > other, but

> > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound

principles

> > and all

> > > the

> > > sages gave instructions in words that they thought

their

> > students

> > > will

> > > comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts

referring

> > > to the

> > > opinion of others with equal respect.

> > > As I said earlier one should follow the system that he

has

> > understood

> > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life

horoscopes.

> > > Hope this helps.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > Dear pedagogues,

> > >

> > > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is

the

> > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his

disciples or

> > > otherwise .

> > >

> > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

> > >

> > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> > >

> > > H S Viswanadham wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep

writing

> > longish

> > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it

> > became too

> > > long.

> > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still

better.

> > > >

> > > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using

different

> > > ayanamsas

> > > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!).

> > > >

> > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the other

Rishis

> > whose

> > > works

> > > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could

be

> > the root of

> > > > all this?

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks and best regards

> > > > viswanadham

> > > >

> > > > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > I have read carefully..

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > Anna

> > > >

> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anna,

> > > > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked

with my

> > opinions. I

> > > > would like

> > > > you to read what I have said carefully

again. You

> > will find

> > > > that I have

> > > > already clarified that one should use the

system

> > that one is

> > > > comfortable

> > > > with, and have also said that different

Rishis

> > devised

> > > different

> > > > systems. If you read the mail in its

entirety, you

> > will

> > > > understand that

> > > > I am not saying anything contradictory to

what is

> > > taught,but

> > > > am trying

> > > > to indicate how the teachings are to be

used. I merely

> > > say that

> > > > application of different system without

> > understanding the

> > > > logic behind

> > > > them could lead one to a wrong prediction.

An example

> > > would be

> > > > Prashna

> > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the

location of the

> > > querist

> > > > or his

> > > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular

direction

> > on the

> > > > circular chart.

> > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this

> > method can

> > > use the

> > > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara

and one

> > will

> > > arrive at

> > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived

at by

> > using

> > > Parashara

> > > > principles will give correct predictions

when it

> > is used to

> > > > arrive at

> > > > conclusions based on the results given in

Prashna

> > Marga?

> > > I am

> > > > certain

> > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and

Mandi at

> > different

> > > > points of

> > > > reference be used when applying Jaataka

Paarijata

> > > parameters,

> > > > when the

> > > > text states specifically that they are

synonyms of

> > the same

> > > > upagraha?

> > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear

to you.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > Anna wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I

just

> > copied some

> > > > parts,

> > > > > although the entire post questions in fact

all we've

> > > learnt

> > > > here, so far.

> > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric

system to

> > > > manufacture a bolt

> > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit

> > properly._*

> > > > >

> > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas,

that

> > we are

> > > > thought to use

> > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is

> > rather serious

> > > > and wish if

> > > > > could see more comments on this- this is

in fact

> > the first

> > > > time I see

> > > > > on THIS list such a view; implications

would be

> > > far-reaching

> > > > with lots

> > > > > of fundamental questions raised.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank You.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Anna

> > > > >

> > > > > *There are many systems based on the

experience

> > of the

> > > > Rishis, who

> > > > > formulated them...*

> > > > > **

> > > > > * one

> > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty

and when the

> > > > prediction goes

> > > > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining

away the

> > reason of

> > > > the failure by

> > > > > application of Rasi drishty. Same is the

case

> > with use of

> > > > Aarudhas,

> > > > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One

should have a

> > > uniform

> > > > approach to

> > > > > any chart one analyses. _You can not apply

say

> > Metric

> > > system to

> > > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut ,

they

> > would never

> > > > fit properly._

> > > > > *

> > > > > **

> > > > > *Not much work has been done on Aarudhas

and other

> > > > parameters even by the

> > > > > ancient sages and ...This does not mean

that the

> > concept

> > > > carries no

> > > > > substance, only that

> > > > > exahaustive work has not been done on this

aspect.

> > > _Even the

> > > > major yogas

> > > > > are not based on these concept and as such

it is

> > difficult

> > > > to know the

> > > > > correct method of their application._ It

is very

> > well

> > > to wax

> > > > eloquent on

> > > > > their applicability and the principles

behind such

> > > practice,

> > > > it is

> > > > > another matter giving Authentic quotes from

> > standard texts

> > > > to support

> > > > > the premise.

> > > > > *

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I have not come across any text by name Uttra Parasaryam,

however you are confirmed the availablity of the book Poorva

Parasaryam at Saraswathi Mahal, Thanjavour. For details

kindly refer to

With regards,

D .Sathiyanarayana Gupta.Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana,Since you know the source where it is available, find out

if Uttara Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on

Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra.Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> Dear

shri. Chandrashekhar,> > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that> >

' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at> SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil

Nadu> INDIA.> With regards,> D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .>>> */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:>> Dear Sathiyanarayana,> Not having read

the text, I can not comment on it. However as the> name> suggests it

might be a

compilation of various shlokas, supposed to be> written/recited prior to the

days of Parashara. There not being any> Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is

not first Skanda of texts/shlokas> attributed to Parashara. Or at least

this is what I would infer> from the> title of the text.> Regards,>

Chandrashekhar.>>> Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:>> >> >> >

*/Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:> >> > Dear

Vishwanadham,> > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated

upon the divine> science> > which> > is said to have

descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They did> not , in> > fact,> >

give different systems. What each did was give different> >

perspectives,> > on the basis of the same basics.> >

Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other Rishi the> >

credit> > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one system

or>

> another.> > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct

shishya lineage,> > who had> > the advantage of learning from

their Guru, is available to> explain> > the> > true meaning

of shlokas has added to the confusion. One has> also to> >

understand that many sages of same name wrote different> Vedangas.> >

This> > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text favoured

by> > one to> > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the

text to be the> > origin of> > Jyotish. It is very well to

equate Surya mentioned as one of> the> > pravartakas but the fact

remains that it might be reference> to the> > writer of Surya

Siddhanta and so on. Sages were refered to> by their> > Gotra,

place of residence and even their colour, different> names> >

being> > used to describe the same person. This should not be

forgotten.> > Many a> > times titles were conferred upon them

and therefore, that it is> > difficult to establish antiquity of the

Sages remains a fact.> > There are also different versions of the same

texts in> > circulation. It> > might be fashionable to claim to

be follower of one system or> > other, but> > the fact remains

that Jyotish is based on sound principles> and

all> > the> > sages gave instructions in words that they

thought their> students> > will> > comprehend better. This

is why you will find the texts referring> > to the> > opinion

of others with equal respect.> > As I said earlier one should follow

the system that he has> understood> > the basics of, and can apply

them to real life horoscopes.> > Hope this helps.>

> Chandrashekhar.> > Dear pedagogues,> >> > kindly

elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is the> > teachings of

POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his disciples or> > otherwise .> >>

> May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.> >> >

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.> >> > H S Viswanadham wrote:> >> >

> Hare Rama

Krishna> > >> > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,> > >> >

> Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep writing> longish> >

> ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it> became too> >

long.> > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still

better.> > >> > > i also feel that people using True nodes &

using different>

> ayanamsas> > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say

so!).> > >> > > From what you said, can we speculate that the

other Rishis> whose> > works> > > are lost were using

different 'systems'. What could be> the root of> > > all this?>

> >> > > Many thanks and best regards> > > viswanadham>

> >> > > */Anna <bona_mente >/* wrote:> > >> >

> Dear Chandrashekar,> > > I have read carefully..> >

> Thank you.> > > Anna> > >> > >

*/Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:> > >> >

> Dear Anna,> > > I am sorry that you appear to be

shocked with my> opinions. I> > > would like> > >

you to read what I have said carefully again. You> will find> >

> that I have> > > already clarified that one should

use the system> that one is> >

> comfortable> > > with, and have also said that

different Rishis> devised> > different> > >

systems. If you read the mail in its entirety, you> will> > >

understand that> > > I am not saying anything contradictory

to what is> > taught,but> >

> am trying> > > to indicate how the teachings are to be

used. I merely> > say that> > > application of different

system without> understanding the> > > logic behind> >

> them could lead one to a wrong prediction. An example> >

would be> > >

Prashna> > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the location of

the> > querist> > > or his> > > placing

a piece of Gold on a particular direction> on the> > >

circular chart.> > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by

this> method can> > use

the> > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara and one>

will> > arrive at> > > correct predictions? Or can

Aarudha arrived at by> using> > Parashara> > >

principles will give correct predictions when it> is used to> > >

arrive at> > >

conclusions based on the results given in Prashna> Marga?> > I am>

> > certain> > > you will not. Similarly can

Gulika and Mandi at> different> > > points of> > >

reference be used when applying Jaataka Paarijata> > parameters,>

> > when

the> > > text states specifically that they are synonyms of>

the same> > > upagraha?> > > The logic behind

what I wrote will be clear to you.> > > Regards,> > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > Anna wrote:> > >>

> > >> > > >> > > > */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear

Chandrashekar,> > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I

just> copied some> > >

parts,> > > > although the entire post questions in fact all

we've> > learnt> > > here, so far.> > >

> You said:*_You can not apply say Metric system to> > >

manufacture a bolt> > > > and BSW for the nut , they would

never fit> properly._*> >

> >> > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas,

that> we are> > > thought to use> > > >

along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is> rather serious> > >

and wish if> > > > could see more comments on this- this is

in fact> the first>

> > time I see> > > > on THIS list such a view;

implications would be> > far-reaching> > > with lots>

> > > of fundamental questions raised.> > > >>

> > > Thank You.> > >

>> > > > Best regards,> > > >> > >

> Anna> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > >> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > > *There

are many systems based on the experience> of the> > >

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Dear Pradeep,

As you know planets are more powerful in certain degrees in a Rasi. Now

the very relationship of the Lord of the Rasi would indicate where each

planet's degrees of power would lie.The degrees that a planet is in

strength is not based merely on less number of degrees or more number of

degrees but is planet specific too. The Vargas divisions are probably

based on that principle coupled with the nakshatra Charana Lord or

Nakhshatra lord and his relation to the Rasi lord, according to the

Varga concerned. Navamsha Varga divisions are based on the Nakshatra

Charana Lord and as such is given much importance to the extent that in

most of the shlokas when the sages say Amsha it generally refers t

Navamsha. Of course this is my personal opinion and logic and those more

learned than me might hold different views on the subject.

Hope this helps.

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a

> Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc starting

> from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come across

> any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I have

> asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha Raoji.It is

> difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be needed as

> well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us

> understand the validity of aspects within divisional charts.

>

> Thanks in advance

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> > Since you know the source where it is available, find out if

> Uttara

> > Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on

> Brihat

> > Parashara Hora Shastra.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> >

> > > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that

> > >

> > > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at

> > > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu

> > > INDIA.

> > > With regards,

> > > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .

> > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> > > Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However

> as the

> > > name

> > > suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas,

> supposed to be

> > > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not

> being any

> > > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of

> texts/shlokas

> > > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would

> infer

> > > from the

> > > title of the text.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vishwanadham,

> > > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the

> divine

> > > science

> > > > which

> > > > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They

> did

> > > not , in

> > > > fact,

> > > > give different systems. What each did was give

> different

> > > > perspectives,

> > > > on the basis of the same basics.

> > > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other

> Rishi the

> > > > credit

> > > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one

> system or

> > > > another.

> > > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct

> shishya lineage,

> > > > who had

> > > > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is

> available to

> > > explain

> > > > the

> > > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion.

> One has

> > > also to

> > > > understand that many sages of same name wrote different

> > > Vedangas.

> > > > This

> > > > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text

> favoured by

> > > > one to

> > > > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to

> be the

> > > > origin of

> > > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as

> one of

> > > the

> > > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be

> reference

> > > to the

> > > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were

> refered to

> > > by their

> > > > Gotra, place of residence and even their colour,

> different

> > > names

> > > > being

> > > > used to describe the same person. This should not be

> forgotten.

> > > > Many a

> > > > times titles were conferred upon them and therefore,

> that it is

> > > > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains

> a fact.

> > > > There are also different versions of the same texts in

> > > > circulation. It

> > > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one

> system or

> > > > other, but

> > > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound

> principles

> > > and all

> > > > the

> > > > sages gave instructions in words that they thought

> their

> > > students

> > > > will

> > > > comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts

> referring

> > > > to the

> > > > opinion of others with equal respect.

> > > > As I said earlier one should follow the system that he

> has

> > > understood

> > > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life

> horoscopes.

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > Dear pedagogues,

> > > >

> > > > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is

> the

> > > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his

> disciples or

> > > > otherwise .

> > > >

> > > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

> > > >

> > > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> > > >

> > > > H S Viswanadham wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep

> writing

> > > longish

> > > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it

> > > became too

> > > > long.

> > > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still

> better.

> > > > >

> > > > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using

> different

> > > > ayanamsas

> > > > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!).

> > > > >

> > > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the other

> Rishis

> > > whose

> > > > works

> > > > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could

> be

> > > the root of

> > > > > all this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks and best regards

> > > > > viswanadham

> > > > >

> > > > > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > > I have read carefully..

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > Anna

> > > > >

> > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Anna,

> > > > > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked

> with my

> > > opinions. I

> > > > > would like

> > > > > you to read what I have said carefully

> again. You

> > > will find

> > > > > that I have

> > > > > already clarified that one should use the

> system

> > > that one is

> > > > > comfortable

> > > > > with, and have also said that different

> Rishis

> > > devised

> > > > different

> > > > > systems. If you read the mail in its

> entirety, you

> > > will

> > > > > understand that

> > > > > I am not saying anything contradictory to

> what is

> > > > taught,but

> > > > > am trying

> > > > > to indicate how the teachings are to be

> used. I merely

> > > > say that

> > > > > application of different system without

> > > understanding the

> > > > > logic behind

> > > > > them could lead one to a wrong prediction.

> An example

> > > > would be

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the

> location of the

> > > > querist

> > > > > or his

> > > > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular

> direction

> > > on the

> > > > > circular chart.

> > > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this

> > > method can

> > > > use the

> > > > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara

> and one

> > > will

> > > > arrive at

> > > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived

> at by

> > > using

> > > > Parashara

> > > > > principles will give correct predictions

> when it

> > > is used to

> > > > > arrive at

> > > > > conclusions based on the results given in

> Prashna

> > > Marga?

> > > > I am

> > > > > certain

> > > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and

> Mandi at

> > > different

> > > > > points of

> > > > > reference be used when applying Jaataka

> Paarijata

> > > > parameters,

> > > > > when the

> > > > > text states specifically that they are

> synonyms of

> > > the same

> > > > > upagraha?

> > > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear

> to you.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > Anna wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I

> just

> > > copied some

> > > > > parts,

> > > > > > although the entire post questions in fact

> all we've

> > > > learnt

> > > > > here, so far.

> > > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric

> system to

> > > > > manufacture a bolt

> > > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit

> > > properly._*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas,

> that

> > > we are

> > > > > thought to use

> > > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is

> > > rather serious

> > > > > and wish if

> > > > > > could see more comments on this- this is

> in fact

> > > the first

> > > > > time I see

> > > > > > on THIS list such a view; implications

> would be

> > > > far-reaching

> > > > > with lots

> > > > > > of fundamental questions raised.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank You.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *There are many systems based on the

> experience

> > > of the

> > > > > Rishis, who

> > > > > > formulated them...*

> > > > > > **

> > > > > > * one

> > > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty

> and when the

> > > > > prediction goes

> > > > > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining

> away the

> > > reason of

> > > > > the failure by

> > > > > > application of Rasi drishty. Same is the

> case

> > > with use of

> > > > > Aarudhas,

> > > > > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One

> should have a

> > > > uniform

> > > > > approach to

> > > > > > any chart one analyses. _You can not apply

> say

> > > Metric

> > > > system to

> > > > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut ,

> they

> > > would never

> > > > > fit properly._

> > > > > > *

> > > > > > **

> > > > > > *Not much work has been done on Aarudhas

> and other

> > > > > parameters even by the

> > > > > > ancient sages and ...This does not mean

> that the

> > > concept

> > > > > carries no

> > > > > > substance, only that

> > > > > > exahaustive work has not been done on this

> aspect.

> > > > _Even the

> > > > > major yogas

> > > > > > are not based on these concept and as such

> it is

> > > difficult

> > > > > to know the

> > > > > > correct method of their application._ It

> is very

> > > well

> > > > to wax

> > > > > eloquent on

> > > > > > their applicability and the principles

> behind such

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